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#91 actripxl

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 02:14 AM

I prefer the experience that I get on the Xbox 360, yes, but I play every platform (except the PC). The fact that the Vita requires you to use the touch screen for something that could easily be done with a button (like menu navigation) is an example of poor UI design. Nintendo has given you the option to use buttons or touch interface for menus for the entire lifespan of the DS and 3DS. And I've bought a Vita since this episode. There are things I like about it and things that I'm going to be critical of, because Sony deserves both of those reactions to this product. I'm always going to be bias towards the things that give me the best experience. That's how we all are.


I totally agree with you 100% Ship that it could be done with buttons and as I mentioned that my first instinct was to use them, but in the cast you were beginning to sound like the Irish guy from Gamespot that was basically nitpicking something and blowing things out of proportion. Again it could be done with buttons but if you or anyone has been using any iOS or Android device on a consistent basis it shouldn't be difficult to figure out, your statements made it sound as if its was extremely difficult. As stated earlier I work at Target in the mean time and when walking past electronics throughout the day I saw kids working that thing with no problem what so ever.

No product is perfect and as in the pervious paragraph they should allow you to use the UI with buttons (I know I would) but being critical and being overtly negative are 2 different things. I would prefer the buttons to be a bit bigger but its not something worth crying about when overall the machine is very nice.

Now as for the Pro-MS stance, I agree we all push what we cherish more, to me its more important to not have my money gouged and to be given great service, so for that I prefer the PS3 since I refuse to pay for Live. As gamers what we spend our money on dictates what other scheme companies will come up in the future to nicke and dime us, in the end this will only hurt those individuals that can't afford much.

Live is nice and better integrated than PSN but it is not worth paying for, remember you guys complain about Online Passes but Live in essence is the original online pass. Its hypocritical to say how it isn't right for gamers to pay to play online yet if you don't pay for Live you can't play ANY game on your Xbox used or new. That is where the bias comes in or at least the perception, in which perception is reality, because the fact is that if it wasn't a requirement to pay to play online on the Xbox most people wouldn't since other than online play there's really nothing worth paying for. I don't see the majority of people paying $40 a year just to have XGC and Party if regular chat was implemented on a Silver account.

Again your free to express your opinons but at least be consistant with the message, people notice when you guys pick and choose one thing over the other and giving MS much more favorable stances on almost everything, even when thinking about the repercussions would hurt gamers in the end.

Remember it was MS that instigated that games be $60, that has now led to EA pretty much charging $70 (Prothean DLC) for the complete version of ME3. MS started charging people to play online which is what led to online passes from companies wanting their share. People complain about $15 map packs but Halo started the trend in over charging for maps long before.

This is the problem with gamers, they give money to things without thinking what may come up ahead and then moan and groan without realizing that you reap what you sow.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 03:18 AM

As for the whole alleged 360 fanboy stuff, I see it how Shipwreck sees it. With only one caveat. All the game reviewers you see are full-time gamers. To a full-time gamer, spending $50 per year on Live is a minor issue. And once you pay, you might as well buy all your games on 360, right? I mean, all your friends are already there, right?

For a part-time gamer, the argument is flipped. Paying $50 for a year of Live when you only play a few games a year makes no sense. Even buying 3 months doesn't make sense when you only play a game for a few weeks (don't tell me to buy a month, the prices on 1 month of Live are a joke). In that way, I think the gaming press inadvertently is inadvertently biased toward a solution that appeals more to the hardcore gamer and somewhat excludes the casual gamer.

I saw the quicklook for the Vita Uncharted game and while I agree with Ship that it is silly that there is a Start button on the Vita and you can't start the game with it, that's peanuts compared to the tech demo junk in the game. I mean, if it were a great game, I wouldn't peep one bit about having to touch the screen to start the game, it wouldn't detract from my gameplay at all. But the balance beam crap or having to wipe dirt off objects you find? That's a whole different story.

I think Cheapy said a similar thing (about the iPhone), but this kind of thing always reminds me of what Roger Ebert said when people talk about movie length. "No good movie is too long and no bad movie is short enough." If you actually like a game, you're not going to complain about minor nits in it.

The problem is Cheapy, Shipwreck just don't like these Vita games (and thus for now at least the Vita). Then when trying to express it, they give justifications which, while surely accurate don't really express what their real problem is. Then the people who disagree with these items try to counter each one individually, not understanding that the problem with the game isn't the sum of these parts. If you successfully pick apart every problem Cheapy and Ship have with the Vita, you don't end up then proving the games are good.

Now, as to the games being junk, they're always junk. Most consoles are not the N64 or the Wii. They launch with lousy games. The 360 didn't take off because Perfect Dark Zero or Kameo was any good. The PS2 didn't take off because of Fantavision. And the DS was considered a silly gimmick until good games like Nintendogs came along for it. But while the current crop of games may not be any good, let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Simply don't buy a Vita until you find some games you want to play on it (and that may be never).

If I could ask just one thing of the CAGcasters, it would be this. Please stop measuring a console launch by looking at the inventory still on the shelves. This has two problems, first of all you don't know the supply levels. Just because you can find one doesn't mean no one is buying them.

The bigger problem is that if you only say a launch is a succes if the shelves are bare, then companies will artificially restrict supply so that shelves will be bare. They're already tempted by the Wii situation where it sold like hotcakes as long as there were lines, for a year. And then as soon as supply loosened up, no one wanted one anymore. They don't need any more encouragement.

Talking gaming console makers into restricting supply is not good for gamers, especially cheap ass ones. So please don't encourage them by equating availability with failure.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 03:59 AM

Hey guys,

I'm studying abroad in Prague(Czech Republic) for the semester. Just thought I would let you guys know that not only did I see PSP Vita's here, but someone was actually buying one the other day.

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#94 jh6269

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 05:05 AM

My biggest issue is why don't psp games like 3rd birthday use the 2nd analog. Does anyone know if I'm missing some update etc? Thanks!


Start the PSP game, hold your finger down on the front touchscreen. A menu will pop up and you can turn on bi-linear filtering and also adjust the controls to use the right analog.
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 05:23 AM

I figured this week's show would be a Vita bash-fest from Ship and Cheapy.

I got the First Edition bundle and a 32 GB memory card, and all I can say is this device is awesome. I live in Seattle, and I've taken my Vita to work each day, and for the past 2 weeks since I got it, the numbers of people playing around me are increasing. Tonight, there were 124 people playing around my condo (within a 3 km radius).

Hot Shots Golf: World Invitational is an amazing game. It is super addictive, they have a daily International tournament where you play 3 rounds of golf on different courses, some with different rules. Then your score is ranked with all the other people, and you win points to unlock more content in the "shop." You can pick up and play 9 holes while you're on the shitter at work, or you can sit in your living room, or in a coffee shop and play for hours.

Lumines is a great game too. Makes use of the touch controls.

I bought Hustle Kings on the PS3 a while back, and if you bought the PS3 version, you get the Vita version for free. I played it last night with a friend from Facebook; the controls are awesome, and I think I prefer the game on the PS Vita. The whole time we were both playing, we were chatting using the microphone that's on the Vita. Serious question, can you do that with a 3DS or iPhone? I know the 3DS you have to use the stylus, but does the iPhone have voice chat?

Anyway, it's sad you guys just don't get the appeal, but I think this system is the best handheld I have ever owned. Several publishers are giving you a PS Vita vita version game free if you buy the PS3 version; there's going to be more and more PSP content that you can play on the Vita; the touchscreen and gyroscope are very high quality. I think it's amazing that you can play wipeout cross-platform with people on the PS3 (it was a little clunky, but it can be improved with patches).

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:09 PM

The Vita is cool, but Sony is not a religion. Cool it all you crazy kids.

I'm looking forward to the downloadable games like Motorstorm RC, but the full retail stuff is unproven. If they can for a full on multiplayer FPS like Battlefield or a compelling RPG like Skyrim on it, I'll be very excited. Until then, it's just another cool piece of kit with a limited launch library.

To keep it OT, what currently released games would make the Vita fully viable, in other words, what games would you most like to see released for it?
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:26 PM

I have to say that I agree 100% with Cheapy. Why play an inferior version of Uncharted on a smaller screen with worse controls. I'd rather read a book or listen to some music on my phone. I'm not going to pay 250 + 50 + 50 = 350 dollars for the complete Vita package while my ps3 at home plays all similar games better.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 02:11 PM

I prefer the experience that I get on the Xbox 360, yes, but I play every platform (except the PC). The fact that the Vita requires you to use the touch screen for something that could easily be done with a button (like menu navigation) is an example of poor UI design. Nintendo has given you the option to use buttons or touch interface for menus for the entire lifespan of the DS and 3DS. And I've bought a Vita since this episode. There are things I like about it and things that I'm going to be critical of, because Sony deserves both of those reactions to this product. I'm always going to be bias towards the things that give me the best experience. That's how we all are.


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#99 Fjordson

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 02:42 PM

Ship, you should check out the Design & Tech videos that Rockstar has put out for Max Payne 3. Pretty in depth and with plenty of uninterrupted gameplay. After seeing those I have a lot of faith in the game. The gunplay looks incredible and Rockstar's animation work with Euphoria is godly. Should be a good game.

I don't doubt that the different tone will alienate some people, it's more Elite Squad or Man On Fire than "Noir York", but quality story telling and writing is pretty much Dan Houser and co.'s speciality so I'm not too worried.

Quality episode all in all. Hate to say it, but I'm right there with Cheapy as far as portable gaming goes. If I ever do need something to do when I'm out, I just read or listen to music on my iPhone. Also, I'm not really interested in bite-sized imitations of console games. But that's just me.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 03:52 PM

Didn't understand the whole "abandoning PSP brand" discussion. The brand is playstation. The old one is called Playstation Portable, the new one is Playstation Vita. Is Nintendo's handheld called the Nintendo Gameboy Color SP 3DSi?

#101 infamy

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 03:53 PM

The Vita is cool, but Sony is not a religion. Cool it all you crazy kids.


Seriously. I don't think I even know how to respond to the idiot who said he's not a PS3 fanboy because he "has a Wii" and started childishly saying "dumbass" over and over. The stupidity there makes logic escape me.



Now as for the Pro-MS stance, I agree we all push what we cherish more, to me its more important to not have my money gouged and to be given great service, so for that I prefer the PS3 since I refuse to pay for Live. As gamers what we spend our money on dictates what other scheme companies will come up in the future to nicke and dime us, in the end this will only hurt those individuals that can't afford much.

Live is nice and better integrated than PSN but it is not worth paying for, remember you guys complain about Online Passes but Live in essence is the original online pass. Its hypocritical to say how it isn't right for gamers to pay to play online yet if you don't pay for Live you can't play ANY game on your Xbox used or new. That is where the bias comes in or at least the perception, in which perception is reality, because the fact is that if it wasn't a requirement to pay to play online on the Xbox most people wouldn't since other than online play there's really nothing worth paying for. I don't see the majority of people paying $40 a year just to have XGC and Party if regular chat was implemented on a Silver account.

Again your free to express your opinons but at least be consistant with the message, people notice when you guys pick and choose one thing over the other and giving MS much more favorable stances on almost everything, even when thinking about the repercussions would hurt gamers in the end.

Remember it was MS that instigated that games be $60, that has now led to EA pretty much charging $70 (Prothean DLC) for the complete version of ME3. MS started charging people to play online which is what led to online passes from companies wanting their share. People complain about $15 map packs but Halo started the trend in over charging for maps long before.


I don't think I've seen a more blindly hypocritical post on CAG, ever. Firstly, you're someone who uses the term "xbots" (previous post), has a sig that says "Xbox only players are morons," and you're a PS+ member when funnily enough you're going off topic on a whole cherade about how XBL is superior but "not worth paying for" (I'll get to that in a bit, it's pretty damn ironic). For these reasons, I don't even know why Shipwreck gave you the benefit of the doubt by responding to you, as you're clearly bias yourself yet you claim the CAGcast are bias because their opinions don't equal yours. There are a lot of salty Sony enthusiasts in this thread, but you stick out like a sore thumb.

"Live is nice and better integrated than PSN but it is not worth paying for"

"other than online play there's really nothing worth paying for"

Says who, you? You really think other people care about the opinion of a bias Sony drone? I'm sure millions of people can think of a plethora of reasons WHY live is worth paying $30/40 a month for, myself included. One, it isn't only XGC and party chat, like you said (although those things are amazing). Things like beacons & activities, which is my favorite online function ever, demos for every single game, and like YOU said, a better and more robust service (especially when it comes to friends list and comparing profiles and achievements as well as sending messages both text and voice).

Discounts. That's right, that was the excuse you were going to say about being a PS+ member, right? Free games you won't have access to when your subscription ends, and the discounts? Same thing applies to XBL. I've already got my $30 worth of paying for XBL from DotW discounts and it's only still February. Cloud storage. You pay for that, too, right? XBL members have it included when they pay for gold, cloud storage to be used anywhere. And you know what? There's a shit ton more reasons why people pay for gold.

The only reason PSN is free is because it aims at competing with the behemoth that is XBL, and if PS+ is any indication (adding features already avaliable to XBL members like auto-syncing trophies, cloud storage and discounts), COMBINED with the billions Sony are losing per year, it just means you're more screwed next gen than you think. Not sure why you also mention nickel&diming when the Vita's accessories and memory cards are a fine example of that, as with any manufacturer. HINT: Companies only care about your money.

I just don't understand why fanboys think they can post whatever the Fuck they want and not realize the hypocrisy; does it really fly over their heads? Are their rose-tinted shades that tinted?

#102 infamy

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 03:57 PM

Didn't understand the whole "abandoning PSP brand" discussion. The brand is playstation. The old one is called Playstation Portable, the new one is Playstation Vita. Is Nintendo's handheld called the Nintendo Gameboy Color SP 3DSi?


When people say that, they refer to it not being called PSP2. The majority of people out there don't even know Vita exists, and had Sony called it the PSP2, which it essentially IS, it would have increased awareness.

Like calling the next console a Playstation Odin. People are going to be like "what the Fuck? Oh, that's the PS4?"

#103 TheAggroCraig

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:18 PM

When people say that, they refer to it not being called PSP2. The majority of people out there don't even know Vita exists, and had Sony called it the PSP2, which it essentially IS, it would have increased awareness.

Like calling the next console a Playstation Odin. People are going to be like "what the Fuck? Oh, that's the PS4?"


PSP is a familiar term now, just like the Game Boy was back in the day. Nintendo even said that the DS was to live along side the GBA when it first came out, and if the DS was a failure, they could've easily reversed it and continued with the GB name.

The term Vita is new and will be a whole new term for consumers to learn, Sony is essentially starting all over again, but hey, it might catch on easily.

And personally, I'll get a Vita when I can get it and a 8GB memory card for $200ish, and hopefully by then they get PS1 games and all PSP games working on it.

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#104 The Great Muta

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 08:25 PM

The Vita is cool, but Sony is not a religion. Cool it all you crazy kids.



I agree.

I'm greatly annoyed by loud, obnoxious blowhards who attack one company while defending another with their life. I can only tolerate consumerism in small doses. And, most of the time, these loud, obnoxious blowhards are a.) kids who can't get mommy and daddy to buy them every video game console, or b.) immature adults who need to harness their enthusiasm into more worthwhile activities. It's just stuff, people.

#105 Velo214

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:37 PM

who would have guessed the creator of God of War is an angry guy, lol ;)

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#106 bickle

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 04:17 AM

Shipwreck's too stupid to read the screen, and somehow that's the hardware's fault?


You completely missed the point. The point is why would the game work in that manner? It didn't make any sense. Sony is like the anti-Apple. Anything that could be simplified to one click is extended to 3.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 05:55 AM

As someone who has worked in games journalism for 10 years...

Wombat is right.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 01:34 PM

You completely missed the point. The point is why would the game work in that manner?


Probably because some people are so dumb or so used to the PSP that they wouldn't even realize the screen on the Vita is a touch screen.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 03:24 AM

On the PSP naming discussion, they can't call the PSP Vita PSP2 because they already named 2 iterations by a higher number (PSP2000, PSP3000) It's like calling the next xbox, xbox 2. It'll confuse the hell out of casual consumers...

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 02:40 PM

I prefer the experience that I get on the Xbox 360, yes, but I play every platform (except the PC). The fact that the Vita requires you to use the touch screen for something that could easily be done with a button (like menu navigation) is an example of poor UI design. Nintendo has given you the option to use buttons or touch interface for menus for the entire lifespan of the DS and 3DS. And I've bought a Vita since this episode. There are things I like about it and things that I'm going to be critical of, because Sony deserves both of those reactions to this product. I'm always going to be bias towards the things that give me the best experience. That's how we all are.



Poor design to use a touch screen to have it do what it's suppose to do???? I think you can access what you want to faster and easier. Consider I'm a 42 year old gamer who hates change as well and I like it more this way as do my wife and kids. I only have issues with games like Fifa that force you to hit start and X to continue. I'd rather have the touch functionality which makes it feel like you are going backwards in time and EA got lazy and used the same PS3 interface. The UI is easier to understand and even my wife could do it and that says a lot because my wife hates all game systems. As for Walmart, I was there yesterday picking up a basketball set for my boys(we live in Delaware). There was 2 Vita's in stock and games were at a low supply. No Skylanders and no Plungers. :-) Sorry I forgot to take pictures because my wife said that would be embarrasing and stopped me. I understand your thought process for wanting to use the buttons but I don't think that would really work well. if you adjust your mental approach I think you would get used to it and over time find it easier. You do it with your Wii don't you?

I'm more confused about the lack of knowledge when it comes to updates. Updates are made available and if you look for them you can install them and are not required which is nice but there should be a better way of letting the user know of this.

I'm also disappointed with the launch and crash on facebook, no word on what crashed but it was working properly for 1 day, then crash and off the network, though you can use the browser version. I love the twitter app.

I also loved Uncharted(finished this weekend). Great game but just below level with the first 3 games but damn close. I played the Fireworks AR game, wow, that music gets old quick and I turned it off. I gotta put my own music on when playing that game. Fifa, Hot Shots and Uncharted are the 3 winners so far on Vita. I love Fifa a lot more on Vita then I do on the console.

I am just excited for MLB 12 next week and try out Cross Platform play because that is the main reason for me to get the system. I'll probably not use the touch that much for that game because I want to play the same way as I do on the console.

For a gamer like me, the Vita is awesome, the fact that my foot is in a boot right now and my transportation is limited, making game changes harder makes me love the Vita more. Also, remember that this is the system following up the crappy PSP. Let's enjoy this system because it's 10k times better then it's PSP brother. I know we will see lots of shovelware on this system as well as some really top notch games.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:41 PM

Orange license plate in New York?

Did you earn that plate? The so-called "party plate?"

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 12:56 AM

regarding Wombat's iOS game complaints...

Wombat, why not take this as an opportunity to blog iOS game reviews on the site? They don't need to be lengthy. Maybe a few lines? Warn the CAG community about the bad ones, or praise the good ones. Be the fix right here!

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 01:32 AM

regarding Wombat's iOS game complaints...

Wombat, why not take this as an opportunity to blog iOS game reviews on the site? They don't need to be lengthy. Maybe a few lines? Warn the CAG community about the bad ones, or praise the good ones. Be the fix right here!


wombat's just lazy, there's a very active IOS gaming thread for deals on CAG that discusses the latest and greatest games on IOS, and if your into the eclectic elitist stuff, you can check the latest page on the neogaf IOS thread.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 03:42 AM

Seriously. I don't think I even know how to respond to the idiot who said he's not a PS3 fanboy because he "has a Wii" and started childishly saying "dumbass" over and over. The stupidity there makes logic escape me.




I don't think I've seen a more blindly hypocritical post on CAG, ever. Firstly, you're someone who uses the term "xbots" (previous post), has a sig that says "Xbox only players are morons," and you're a PS+ member when funnily enough you're going off topic on a whole cherade about how XBL is superior but "not worth paying for" (I'll get to that in a bit, it's pretty damn ironic). For these reasons, I don't even know why Shipwreck gave you the benefit of the doubt by responding to you, as you're clearly bias yourself yet you claim the CAGcast are bias because their opinions don't equal yours. There are a lot of salty Sony enthusiasts in this thread, but you stick out like a sore thumb.

"Live is nice and better integrated than PSN but it is not worth paying for"

"other than online play there's really nothing worth paying for"

Says who, you? You really think other people care about the opinion of a bias Sony drone? I'm sure millions of people can think of a plethora of reasons WHY live is worth paying $30/40 a month for, myself included. One, it isn't only XGC and party chat, like you said (although those things are amazing). Things like beacons & activities, which is my favorite online function ever, demos for every single game, and like YOU said, a better and more robust service (especially when it comes to friends list and comparing profiles and achievements as well as sending messages both text and voice).

Discounts. That's right, that was the excuse you were going to say about being a PS+ member, right? Free games you won't have access to when your subscription ends, and the discounts? Same thing applies to XBL. I've already got my $30 worth of paying for XBL from DotW discounts and it's only still February. Cloud storage. You pay for that, too, right? XBL members have it included when they pay for gold, cloud storage to be used anywhere. And you know what? There's a shit ton more reasons why people pay for gold.

The only reason PSN is free is because it aims at competing with the behemoth that is XBL, and if PS+ is any indication (adding features already avaliable to XBL members like auto-syncing trophies, cloud storage and discounts), COMBINED with the billions Sony are losing per year, it just means you're more screwed next gen than you think. Not sure why you also mention nickel&diming when the Vita's accessories and memory cards are a fine example of that, as with any manufacturer. HINT: Companies only care about your money.

I just don't understand why fanboys think they can post whatever the Fuck they want and not realize the hypocrisy; does it really fly over their heads? Are their rose-tinted shades that tinted?


1. Name one thing I can't do on my PC for free and better that I can do on XBL?

2. XBL $60= I get to play games that I bought new the ability to play online (gee thanks :roll:)

3. PSN+ $50= Since I've subscribed: All Back to the Future episodes, Jurassic Park, The Simpsons, Hydrophobia, Resident Evil 1-3, Costume Quest, Wipeout HD & Fury, Hustle Kings, Sega Game Classics Bundle, Far Cry 2, Marvel Pinball, Tomb Raider: Underworld, etc., etc., etc.,

4. You can't call yourself a gamer if you only own one system, no one would take a movie critic seriously if he only watched movies that were only filmed in 16:9 and dismiss the rest

5. So I'm a fanboy even though I can agree that Live is better integrated than PSN in chat features. So by saying the competition has a better chat functionality I'm biased against them? Sherlock Holmes here has me pegged.;)

6. Demos? You're happy to pay money to get demos? Oh and PSN+ had cloud storage first not that it matters. Then again you must be talking about paying for things like ESPN, Netflix, Hulu +, Last.fm, and ads. Then again I can get ESPN, Netflix, Hulu + and Last.fm on my pc for free with no ads by the way, exclude ESPN and trade Last.fm for Pandora and I can get that on my PS3, again for free. Oh and before I forget, demos, I can get demos for free.:D

7. The Vita has party chat, and XGC for free. Before I forget retailers are still giving out memory cards with the purchase of a Vita so if that's the best you have against
Sony for nickel and dimming then you should have no problem finding examples on the 360 side.

8. Add all those points and the lack of a good blu ray player= my sig.

I work hard for my money and I've been gaming for years and have seen how trends begin and called quite a few things out before they happened. I like getting the best bang for my buck and to me that is more important than paying for the ease of starting a party and XGC (which I can now do on my Vita for FREE!) and a bunch of other functions that I can do for free everywhere else.

Sony clearly gives more bang for your buck now, that you wan't to admit it is a different story but the ending is the same. MS is good because it pushes Sony and Nintendo forward interms of online features, my problem with MS is how they block you from playing your games online unless a ransom fee is paid. I nor anyone should have to pay an extra fee for something that is free everywhere else, now if they want to charge to have the option for party and XGC that would be fine as long as people are allowed to play their games online if they don't pay for that option.

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Can't wait for the next Uncharted and Halo on my next-gen systems!


#115 AshesofWake

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 04:03 AM

^^^^ *major facepalm*
WHAT A HORRIBLE NIGHT TO HAVE A CURSE

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#116 shipwreck

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 01:11 PM

As a PS+ subscriber and an Xbox Live subscriber, I think I can honestly say I'm okay with paying the $3 a month that Live costs me and the $4 a month PS+ costs me. The pricing on both services is trivial. Just pay for what you enjoy.

(And stop quoting XBL as $60 a year around here. No CAG pays that much as it's seemingly always on sale for less than $40.)
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#117 Perfidious Sinn

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 08:57 PM

I have to agree with the Vita's game lineup not interesting me. I don't wanna play tiny Uncharted with scaled-down graphics, I want to see it on the big screen and play it with good, non-gimmicky controls.

I couldn't agree more on the point about handheld games that mimic console games. Use the handheld platform to deliver something unique that can't be done on a home console. I've only got a DS and PSP right now, but there are plenty of games that utilize the hardware, games that simply wouldn't work on a home console. The World Ends With You and Gravity Rush come to mind.

As of now, I don't have a 3DS or a Vita. I don't see any games on there that compel me to get them, especially considering how they're both pretty expensive.
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#118 Blue Arcana

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 11:22 PM

I still don't get what the mass effect 3 spoiler was.... anyone care to enlighten me?

*edit*
is this it?

Spoiler


Maybe..... or it could be

Spoiler

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#119 BlueRock

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 04:19 AM

(And stop quoting XBL as $60 a year around here. No CAG pays that much as it's seemingly always on sale for less than $40.)


I'd agree with you more strongly if MS didn't auto-renew people's XBL at $60. You not only have to be a cheap ass, but you have to be a cheap ass up front to keep from paying $60/year. It wasn't until this year that (except in a few states) you could even cancel the auto-renew without waiting on a phone call.

If MS just let your account expire after a year it'd be one thing, but they instead try to jerk you around and for most people, they succeed. It's so annoying really. MS is already ransoming your friends to you and they can't even be happy with $40, they gotta go for the brass ring.

#120 mcLuv

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 05:09 AM

1. Name one thing I can't do on my PC for free and better that I can do on XBL?

2. XBL $60= I get to play games that I bought new the ability to play online (gee thanks :roll:)

3. PSN+ $50= Since I've subscribed: All Back to the Future episodes, Jurassic Park, The Simpsons, Hydrophobia, Resident Evil 1-3, Costume Quest, Wipeout HD & Fury, Hustle Kings, Sega Game Classics Bundle, Far Cry 2, Marvel Pinball, Tomb Raider: Underworld, etc., etc., etc.,

4. You can't call yourself a gamer if you only own one system, no one would take a movie critic seriously if he only watched movies that were only filmed in 16:9 and dismiss the rest

5. So I'm a fanboy even though I can agree that Live is better integrated than PSN in chat features. So by saying the competition has a better chat functionality I'm biased against them? Sherlock Holmes here has me pegged.;)

6. Demos? You're happy to pay money to get demos? Oh and PSN+ had cloud storage first not that it matters. Then again you must be talking about paying for things like ESPN, Netflix, Hulu +, Last.fm, and ads. Then again I can get ESPN, Netflix, Hulu + and Last.fm on my pc for free with no ads by the way, exclude ESPN and trade Last.fm for Pandora and I can get that on my PS3, again for free. Oh and before I forget, demos, I can get demos for free.:D

7. The Vita has party chat, and XGC for free. Before I forget retailers are still giving out memory cards with the purchase of a Vita so if that's the best you have against
Sony for nickel and dimming then you should have no problem finding examples on the 360 side.

8. Add all those points and the lack of a good blu ray player= my sig.

I work hard for my money and I've been gaming for years and have seen how trends begin and called quite a few things out before they happened. I like getting the best bang for my buck and to me that is more important than paying for the ease of starting a party and XGC (which I can now do on my Vita for FREE!) and a bunch of other functions that I can do for free everywhere else.

Sony clearly gives more bang for your buck now, that you wan't to admit it is a different story but the ending is the same. MS is good because it pushes Sony and Nintendo forward interms of online features, my problem with MS is how they block you from playing your games online unless a ransom fee is paid. I nor anyone should have to pay an extra fee for something that is free everywhere else, now if they want to charge to have the option for party and XGC that would be fine as long as people are allowed to play their games online if they don't pay for that option.


holy shit, what an incredibly stupid and blatently wrong fanboyish post. As a ps3-only owner, you embarass all of us. :roll: