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CAGcast #290: Dyad, Ouya and More 4 Letter Words


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#31 bickle

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 06:13 PM

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2:45 Wombat saves America billions of dollars and simultaneously tanks Nintendo
7:30 Fitbit update
8:30 Cheapy's Steam problem
10:45 Assassin's Creed movie
12:00 Show Feedback
15:30 Cheapy's Steam problem part II
16:00 New Releases
16:00 NCAA Football 2013
16:15 Frogger Hyper Arcade Edition
20:30 Quantum Conundrum
20:45 Dungeon Fighter Live
21:15 Rhythm Thief and The Emperor's Treasure
21:30 Vita Foosball 2012 is awol
21:45 PSN Frogger Giveaway
22:00 Steam Summer Sale & cagcast wishlists?
24:00 Wizorb
24:45 SCHAR: Blue Shield Alliance
25:30 Binary Domain
26:15 SpecOPS: The Line
30:15 Walking Dead
34:00 Tony Hawk Pro Skater HD
36:45 Shootmania
38:30 Trackmania 2 Canyon
39:30 Tribes
40:15 Kingdoms of Amalur (pc)
42:00 NPD
45:15 Kickstarter stuff (Penny Arcade, OUYA)
61:00 Hypewagon - The next Rocksteady Batman
64:30 Dyad
70:15 Decline of 3D?
70:45 Cagbag - Cag app
73:00 Spec Ops Spoilercast


I'm very bummed that THPS HD doesn't contain all of 1 & 2. Can you elaborate on what is missing? (I assume Spidey isn't included)

I'm embarrased that I laughed aloud at the weeding joke.

#32 apathylad

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 06:41 PM

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I'm very bummed that THPS HD doesn't contain all of 1 & 2. Can you elaborate on what is missing? (I assume Spidey isn't included)

I'm embarrased that I laughed aloud at the weeding joke.


From my understanding, it's like a "Greatest Hits" compilation of the two games. Meaning, it'll have certain songs (some new ones too, I believe) and stages from both games, but not all of them.

#33 Hast

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 06:44 PM

First about the Stean sale: If you guys like strategy games I recommend Warlock Master of the Arcane. (http://store.steampo...com/app/203630/). It's kind of a remake of the old Master of Magic game if you liked that. And if you find games you are kind of interested in getting on the Steam sale it's very convenient to add them to your wish list to quickly see if there are special deals on them. Since the deals vary from day to day I tend to find some games I'm interested in to my list and then check back every now and then to see if they are on a special sale (ie 50-75%).

Regarding the Ouya (pronounced oo ya) I think it's at least interesting enough to jump in on the lowest tier. The platform they are using (Nvidia Tegra 3) is pretty stable by now and I already own two tablets which are based on it. (The Transformer Prime and the new Nexus 7.) Performance wise it's about the same as an iPad 3. (The GPU is a bit weaker though I believe.)

Just for fun I tried plugging in my Transformer Prime to my TV and plugged in a 360 controller to it just to test. And it works quite well. Unfortunately only a few games support controllers and the game I was playing (Shadow Gun) isn't very good.

I'd say it's somewhere between an Xbox 1 and 360 in graphics. But this is with games which are not really high budget. It wouldn't surprise me that if someone say down to actually push the platform they could do some pretty impressive stuff on it.

What I hope we will see on it is some fun indie games. As a developer myself (not for games) I can say that there is a very big gap between developing for mobile platforms and consoles. If you are a small team, or doing it as a hobby, mobile platforms is your only option besides PC. And really, I think the goal of this product is mostly to bring all the fun small games from PC and mobile to a console.

Looking at the type of games which the people on the Kickstarter is clamouring for I'm not sure if the rest of the people there are on the same page as me. But whatever. :-)

I also don't think that producing a console in 8 months is quite as impossible as Shipwreck might think. From what I've understood he's in the aero-engineering business, which I believe runs by pretty different rules. I've worked for many years in mobile industry and 1 year per product is pretty slow here. (And that's assuming you have many more than 1 product to work on at the same time.) IIRC the new Nexus 7 tablet from Google/Asus took 4 months to develop. Granted, they have people who have used the Tegra 3 platform before, and they have experience in manufacturing tablets etc.

If they have the right people working there, I think they can actually pull it off. But it's not going to give them a lot of extra slack. And it does depend on how far along they are. (I would assume they have working prototypes by now, because you can make that pretty much using off the shelf components.)

All that said, I didn't go for a "pre-order" on a full machine. But that's mostly because I already pretty much have that same setup at home already. And also because I have too few HDMI inputs. :-)

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 08:36 PM

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 10:17 PM

I'd be willing to be a an Ouya for <$150 when it releases. I don't want to kick-start it without any guarantees. I think they sold too few early developer packages though. I think launching with a robust library could do wonders for them. I've been working through making a game for android for a while, I'll be very interested to look at the Ouya SDK when it is available to me for less than $1337.

#36 bickle

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:02 PM

Looking at the type of games which the people on the Kickstarter is clamouring for I'm not sure if the rest of the people there are on the same page as me. But whatever. :-)


I think they are fueling some pretty unrealistic expectations. They set up a survey site (https://www.surveymo...com/s/ouyatop20), and the choices seem pretty unlikely. Final Fantasy? Skyrim? Mass Effect? Even if it is to get an idea of game styles, they are presenting it as if it's possible that these games will appear on the console. Not cool & very shady IMO.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:50 PM

Agreed. CheapyD saying he would feel greedy by asking for money from us is funny. We basically give you money for every sale that goes through your affiliate links, then there are the ads you have on here, too.


Maybe I'm crazy, but in my mind, there is a pretty major difference between "basically" giving me money and "actually" giving me money.

Do you consider yourself giving money to TV networks when you watch their shows? What about every website that you visit (that you don't ad block), are you basically giving them money?

Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful that you guys do your shopping through the CAG links, but I think there is a big difference between clicking on a link that costs you nothing additional in time or money, and writing out a check to me.

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 12:11 AM

If Penny Arcade wanted to raise money they could of done other things than do a kickstarter.

I think they should of just created a membership to their site. To entice people to be a member they could give them access to a ad-free site, a monthly q and a via Twitch TV or a discount from their store.

#39 EDiTOR9

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 12:24 AM

Maybe I'm crazy, but in my mind, there is a pretty major difference between "basically" giving me money and "actually" giving me money.

Do you consider yourself giving money to TV networks when you watch their shows? What about every website that you visit (that you don't ad block), are you basically giving them money?

Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful that you guys do your shopping through the CAG links, but I think there is a big difference between clicking on a link that costs you nothing additional in time or money, and writing out a check to me.


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#40 Hast

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 01:58 AM

I think they are fueling some pretty unrealistic expectations. They set up a survey site (https://www.surveymo...com/s/ouyatop20), and the choices seem pretty unlikely. Final Fantasy? Skyrim? Mass Effect? Even if it is to get an idea of game styles, they are presenting it as if it's possible that these games will appear on the console. Not cool & very shady IMO.

Yeah, I do agree with you on that. The survey was explicitely about what people wanted and not what they could deliver. But it is still a pretty bad move from a PR perspective. Some of the games on the list are quite reasonable, like Limbo and Super meat boy. But I very much doubt it will ever get triple A games from EA etc. And I really don't see why those games are interesting either. There are plenty of platforms for playing Modern warfare already. We don't really need one more.

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 04:49 AM

As far as the Steam Sale is concerned, just take a look at each game that goes on sale in the daily deals and such to see what interests you. Then just take a look at the library on the last day to see what else is on sale for cheap that weren't any cheaper earlier. The Recommended tab on Steam may also help you find games that may interest you based on friends' recommendations and similarities to what you've already purchased.

As far as games Cheapy might like, check out these from my library and wishlist:

Audiosurf/Beat Hazard - If you have music on your PC, these are good games that generate levels based on the music, so it's a good way to listed to music in some fun games.
Capsized - 2D underwater Metroid-style game.
Flotilla - Turn-based space strategy shooter game that is randomly generated and puts you in weird/silly situations
Magicka - Top-down magic-based action game that is a bit of a parody of RPGs with an add-on that spoofs the Vietnam add-on for BFBC2.
Pineapple Smash Crew - Top-down squad-based shooter with randomly-generated levels and a colorful look.
Serious Sam Double D - a ridiculous side-scrolling shooter where you can stack guns onto each other to make yourself more powerful.
Tiny and Big: Grandpa's Leftovers - A physic platformer that lets you cut up entire levels that is short to get through.
VVVVVV - Commodore 64-style platformer set in a Metroid-style world with a cool flipping platform mechanic.
Wizorb - The Arkanoid/RPG mash-up that Shipwreck mentioned.

These all support controllers, so there's no excuses for ignoring them. There are probably more out there that you might like, so don't ignore the Steam sale because you think everything is already on consoles or not your kind of game.

I guess Wombat just doesn't like adventure games if he doesn't like the talky parts of The Walking Dead. That's a major part of that genre.


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#42 Kazaganthi

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 06:30 AM

About Wombat and his Wii-U party discussion. As a scope of how wide the Wii audience is, my grandfathers' retirement home has a Wii setup so they can swing the wiimote around and play it anytime. Not to mention almost every parent will buy it for their kids after they see it on daytime TV, it is very cheap now.

Now I cannot see any reason my grandfathers' retirement home would upgrade to a Wii-U. The audience is not the same anymore. They are focusing on a tablet controller that no one can agree on a "real" use for yet. Not to mention those old folks don't even know what a tablet is. Sure the DS dual screen had some "Why?'s" but this isn't the same. I don't look down at my keyboard to type, I don't want to look down at my controller to game. And aiming the Wii-U pad up at the TV screen to search around sounds like Steel Diver 3DS horrible gimmick talk. The selling point (to non-gamers) of the Wii was its motion control gimmick or kids friendly system. I don't see the upgrade to Wii-U selling point yet. Other than Nintendo fans wanting the new Nintendo games.

While the Wii-U will still use Wiimotes and motion, they aren't focusing on that right now. Kind of like when the 3DS was first announced, talked about, and shown at E3, all they would talk about is amazing 3D gimmick that ironically parents do not want their kids to have. "It'll ruin their eyes!" Now the 3DS is much cheaper and starting to recover some. I feel the Wii-U will be overpriced (because of new tech, and dev) at start and not sell well because it's barely better than a 7 year old console, with a new peripheral.

About Penny Arcade Kickstarter. I don't get it. I'm sorry but us directly paying/funding your site instead of advertisers/ads is supposed to accomplish what now? How is this even a kickstarter? Do they send you a signed piece of paper you can frame? If you don't like ads, just use noscript and ad block plus programs. Penny Arcade fans really are the new Oprah fans, they'll do anything and everything they are told.

If I sound harsh, too bad. I enjoy the Penny Arcade comic strips fine, but this is beyond begging getting kickstarter involved.


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Posted 14 July 2012 - 06:57 AM

Personally, I don't know if Rocksteady would make a Batman game set IN the Silver Age, I just wonder if they are going to make a game based on Silver Age material, as in they make one showing Batman and Joker facing of for the first time, etc.

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 09:14 AM

Rule number 1 for any Steam sale: Wait for the Daily Deals (or in this sale's case the Daily/Community/Flash Deals).

The Dailies are the main attraction for Steam sales, since they usually offer the greatest discounts during the sale, and as the name implies, they change each day. In the case of Community and Flash Deals, they change every few hours. If a product has not appeared yet in the DCF deal lineup, then hold off on purchasing it until the last day of the sale; wait and see if it appears in the lineup.

Of course, Amazon has been killin' it with their summer deals, with some pleasant low-price surprises like MP3, Binary Domain, Sniper Elite V2, and Spec Ops.

#45 firemunkie

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 09:20 AM

I would like to buy an Ouya in store, considering the key selling point for me is that it is hackable. If it's supposed to be a game console, it can be turned into a rather cheap HTPC, compared to buying a new computer for $400. But you guys are right, most people won't give a damn anyway, considering they'll end up using it to play Angry Birds instead.


htpc is a niche that this thing will fill in my home. also emulator for all my ps1 and older games

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 09:23 AM

Can't the Ouya potentially do everything the Apple TV does and more due to it's hackability? If you felt the Apple TV was worth $100, why wouldn't the Ouya which would have better (I'm guessing?) gaming capabilities as well. Seems pretty dismissive over something that sounds like something you have already purchased...

Also, you're not alone with Batman Silver Age excitement Wombat. I'm hoping for some Batmite!


this thing sounds better then the apple TV. spec wise and openness

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 04:48 PM

Thank you for actually explaining what "Silver Age" Batman meant. All other outlets that I go to didn't seem to actually say what it meant (but I was able to gather it by the pictures used). I don't know shit about any "comic book lore," so just assuming that people know what "Silver Age" meant is dumb in my opinion.

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 05:18 PM

great show as always. i'm down for a dyad or frogger psn codes always! peace n thanx always cheapyd, wombat and shipwreck!

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 05:40 PM

While I can agree with Wombat's opinion on the Wii-U, don't forget you guys also said the Kinect would never sell. It's a valid claim to make that the Wii-U probably won't sell as well as the Wii, it doesn't mean it won't sell well period.

I was a big fan of Heavy Rain but I can understand the public's apprehension about paying $60 for what was essentially a point-and-click adventure game like Walking Dead. Maybe as an episodic download HR would have worked better?

Wombat, your "what are your reading?" question to Shipwreck made up for anything offensive you might have said.
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Posted 14 July 2012 - 06:43 PM


I was a big fan of Heavy Rain but I can understand the public's apprehension about paying $60 for what was essentially a point-and-click adventure game like Walking Dead. Maybe as an episodic download HR would have worked better?


I'm not sure how many people would have continued to bought Heavy Rain episodes after the one that made them walk around for five minutes pressing X to say "Jason".

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 07:16 AM

don't forget you guys also said the Kinect would never sell. It's a

Pretty sure we just said it would suck. You spend $500m and you can sell pretty much anything.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 12:41 PM

Pretty sure we just said it would suck. You spend $500m and you can sell pretty much anything.

You still need to play Happy Action Theater with Tai. Kids playing that Kinect game is pure joy.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 12:53 PM

I agree with Cheapy that a Rocksteady Silver Age Batman is not what I want at all. The only people who like that era are 50 year old man with nostalgia for their youth. No 15-25 year kid is going to want to play this:

Also, the rumor I read wasn't that it was going to be Silver Age but that it was going to open up more of the DC Universe. Like some cameos from the Justice League. Batman fighting a Poison Ivy controlled Superman would be something right out of the comic and a lot of fun to play. Giving a commands to Flash or Green Lantern waiting for your signal would be cool. That sort of thing.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 01:51 PM

You still need to play Happy Action Theater with Tai. Kids playing that Kinect game is pure joy.


It's too much of a pain in the ass in my apartment as it just doesn't seem to work. I don't think there is quite enough room between my couch and the TV.

#55 Siterath

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 05:11 PM

Figured I'd throw in my 2 cents on the Ouya... since you all said you don't get why it's a big deal.

Firstly, I'm not going to overhype the Ouya, there is enough of that out there. I'm just saying why I decided to throw down my cash on the kickstarter:

You guys seemed to hint that they could, essentially, run off with the money. Kickstarter has earned a rep for that recently, but given all the big names in the industry supporting the Ouya, I highly doubt this is a willful scam (though Wombat is right that it doesn't exist until it does)

Personally, I'm not expecting it to be the next big console. I plan to buy whatever Microsoft and Sony have coming next to fill that roll. I'm interested in what the Ouya CAN do, theoretically. Essentially, I'm paying for hope. Many are already talking about modding its hardware, or even going so far as creating emulators and roms to run on the Ouya. Any console where so many options exist allows users to customize their own console how they wish.

So yes, I'm paying for the hope of what it may be. But I also figure that the Ouya is either going to live up to that hope, and truly be worth the cost, or its going to just be an interesting piece in the history of video games, and either way, that's worth $99 to me... (and no, I do not want to buy your virtual boy for $99)

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 05:44 PM

Agreed. CheapyD saying he would feel greedy by asking for money from us is funny. We basically give you money for every sale that goes through your affiliate links, then there are the ads you have on here, too.

Oh and Wombat, you are easily the worthless ass of the group. You have a "fuck 'em" attitude towards your listeners and your latest "joke" about autism was low and pathetic, even for you.


Agreed on both parts - this "Who, me?" bit Cheapy pulls is far past annoying. Anyone with half a brain knows that he makes serious coin from this site. That's the reason the site is here in the first place, to make money. Period. All of the ass-kissing sycophants that fall all over themselves endlessly thanking Cheapy for the "community" he's built can get bent. New flash - it's for the money, morons. Cheapy cares about one part of each and every one of you - the right or left index finger that clicks the mouse.

And Wombat, congratulations. You have descended from "No-talent Super-annoying Hack" to "All-out Detestable Jerkass" with your little autism "joke". And shame on you other two for going along with it. Perhaps someone ought to explain to Stewart that it's not such a good idea to make light of what can be a heartbreaking and life-crippling disorder. Maybe someone will explain it to him in person.
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Posted 16 July 2012 - 11:38 PM

This early listener bias for Dyad codes is unacceptable. You finally give something away I want...

I think Ouya could be a great Apple TV/Boxee/Roku replacement. If I can play some emulated NES games, hey whatever. For $99 that fits in good with the Rokus, which are what, $70?

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:01 AM

I found the autism joke funny Wombat. Im not an uptight prick who gets bent out of shape who then, more than likely, turns around and makes jokes on similar things.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:42 AM

I know Cheapy will laugh but I'm going to ask that he make the CAGapp for Windows Phone. As the new mobile platform they're very aggressive and bend over backwards to help developers and promote new apps: App Hub.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 10:25 AM

Tried Wizorb on Shipwrecks recommendation.Didn't like it,but I didn't hate it.It was just okay.I will disregard Shipwrecks' opinion in the future.