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#3991 bvharris

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:40 AM

I also don't know how common it is for players to request 7-8 year deals.


I've never seen it.

But it's insulting to act like this wasn't a legitimate problem when tanabeo started it in the other league.


I can officially state from the office of the commissioner that it is a problem. Unfortunately it's one we're stuck with, at least for the present. And I'm not saying this from on high either, I got down in the muck myself and extended a couple of my guys to long deals. Once other people started though, there really wasn't much choice.

I'd highly urge you guys to follow this suggestion, I think it will create a much more realistic FA system in the long run. You all have the benefit of being behind us as we make our way through this quagmire that is Connected Careers. It would be silly not to learn from our mistakes.

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#3992 CAGLeagueSports

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:40 AM

well if we only polan on playing 2 or 3 years then we should only offer 2 or 3 years contracts and then people will be paying crazy amounts. lets say u have a young WR thats a star or young QB u dont think a team in real life would offer them a 7 year deal or u think they just give him a 2 or 3 or 4 year deal i think a contract depends on a players long term value to the team not how long we are going to play. we should offer contracts in a realistic type form


My initial thought was no less than 4 years (as getting through 5 seasons is still a fairly realistic goal for this league). I wouldn't be opposed to 5 year deals...but if the player isn't asking for it...I don't see why it's necessary. An argument of "But then I can't sign all the star players!" isn't a good enough reason. I still find it mildly amusing that some people still think all the trades they make and all these crazy moves are realistic. You SHOULD be forced to juggle your finances when assembling your roster. That's kind of the point of the salary cap.
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#3993 KasterDB

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:40 AM

I've noticed that most guys in my offline career ask for 5 years or less. Very rarely (for example, Matt Ryan did) guys ask for 6 years. I've never seen anyone ask for 7.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:40 AM

Almost positive the max that can be offered is 6 year deals
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:46 AM

Almost positive the max that can be offered is 6 year deals


I think it's 7 total, so if you're offering a deal to a guy during the season the max is 6, and it gets tacked on with the last season of his existing deal. In the offseason, you can offer the full 7.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:46 AM

ya matt ryan asked me for a 6 year deal i nthe other league but once signed him to that deal it said 7 years but im guessing that becuz he was still under the other contract they just added on to the deal as one deal

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#3997 CAGLeagueSports

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:48 AM

I've noticed that most guys in my offline career ask for 5 years or less. Very rarely (for example, Matt Ryan did) guys ask for 6 years. I've never seen anyone ask for 7.


Well, does limiting it to only being able to offer the exact years the player is asking for seem reasonable then? I mean...I know we can't undercut what they're asking for. They just won't sign if we do that. But if the contract length is standard for everyone...and it's just the dollar amount that's variable, one would think that would cause the people who really NEED the position to bid higher...since we would all know we're working from the same scale. Again, I'm just thinking as I go, but that sounds fair to me.
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#3998 Konfusion

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:48 AM

I haven't done extensive research or anything, and I'm really just thinking out loud, but my basic idea would be that you can only offer the player the EXACT amount of years they're asking for. Then, if people want to overpay, that's their business and will be to the detriment of their team. I also don't know how common it is for players to request 7-8 year deals. But it's insulting to act like this wasn't a legitimate problem when tanabeo started it in the other league.


That makes sense to me. Only problem is making sure everyone follows the rule. I always see the same few guys posting in this thread. Makes me wonder how many out of the 32 team owners actually follow it. I could easily see someone offer a long deal, then say they never saw that it wasn't allowed because they don't follow the thread. I do like the idea of only offering the contract length that the player is requesting. No more or less.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:49 AM

Well if the resigning period is only a week, and the following week starts free agency, how can you have another shot at signing them?

I meant that happens during the season.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:49 AM

I'd love to keep this league going as long as possible. I also say screw only have 2-3 years max for contracts.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:49 AM

that would work but how would u really know when they are signing there own guys if there telling the truth. i think allowing people to go 1 year under and 1 year over wut the person wants is fair. i have plenty of cap space still even with eli's contract so this doesnt really effect me that much but i think that the 1 year over and under is pretty fair

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#4002 CAGLeagueSports

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:51 AM

That makes sense to me. Only problem is making sure everyone follows the rule. I always see the same few guys posting in this thread. Makes me wonder how many out of the 32 team owners actually follow it. I could easily see someone offer a long deal, then say they never saw that it wasn't allowed because they don't follow the thread. I do like the idea of only offering the contract length that the player is requesting. No more or less.


I completely agree...and I feel like we'd just have to rule with an iron fist on that one. I'll send out a PM to everyone outlining how we're approaching the offseason, so no one can claim they didn't know the rules (I'll also add it to the "Free Agents" section of the OP). And then, anybody who breaks the rule, they have to cut the player. Plain and simple. If anybody doesn't like it, oh well, follow the rules next time.
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#4003 bvharris

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:52 AM

I'd suggest just putting in a hard cap, say 5 years. Whatever seems sufficient to mitigate the problem of backloading. Because you really have no way of knowing what length of deal guys in their contract year are asking for in-season.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:54 AM

that would work but how would u really know when they are signing there own guys if there telling the truth. i think allowing people to go 1 year under and 1 year over wut the person wants is fair


Is re-signing your own players really an issue though? At that point, you're only competing with yourself. From what I saw, it seemed to be more of a problem in the bidding war style of free agency.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:55 AM

I'd suggest just putting in a hard cap, say 5 years. Whatever seems sufficient to mitigate the problem of backloading. Because you really have no way of knowing what length of deal guys in their contract year are asking for in-season.


But what happens to the players who are asking for more than that? That's my only concern.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:55 AM

I'd suggest just putting in a hard cap, say 5 years. Whatever seems sufficient to mitigate the problem of backloading. Because you really have no way of knowing what length of deal guys in their contract year are asking for in-season.


but they may stop talking to u if u under cut them in years as well this is a really sticky situation never know how it could fail or turn out good

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#4007 bvharris

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:57 AM

Is re-signing your own players really an issue though? At that point, you're only competing with yourself. From what I saw, it seemed to be more of a problem in the bidding war style of free agency.


It's not just the bidding war, it's also the cap space. That's just as much a factor with in-season signings. Yeah, you're only bidding against yourself, but stretching out the big cap hits to the later years allows you much more flexibility to take on more payroll.

I'll throw myself under the bus and say that the long deal I signed Darren McFadden to during the season almost criminally underpays him in the first few season. I actually ended up with more current year cap space than before he re-upped.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:58 AM

but they may stop talking to u if u under cut them in years as well this is a really sticky situation never know how it could fail or turn out good


Yeah, that's why I thought just offering what they're asking was the best way to go. And for re-signing your own guys, I guess we'd just have to not worry about it too much. Honestly, that's a similar system to what the NHL has been trying to set up...setting a max contract length for free agents, but allowing a longer length for their current team, to give that team a bit of an advantage in keeping their own players (which is good for the fans).

I don't think that's a terrible idea, as like I said, when you're re-signing guys during the season (and even in the re-sign week after the Super Bowl), you're just competing with yourself. After that though, you're trying to outbid other teams...and that's when the fairness issue really comes into play. Does that make sense to anyone else?
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:00 AM

It's not just the bidding war, it's also the cap space. That's just as much a factor with in-season signings. Yeah, you're only bidding against yourself, but stretching out the big cap hits to the later years allows you much more flexibility to take on more payroll.

I'll throw myself under the bus and say that the long deal I signed Darren McFadden to during the season almost criminally underpays him in the first few season. I actually ended up with more current year cap space than before he re-upped.


I hear you. I'm just not really sure EA gave us a feasible way to regulate it. Like most things with EA, it feels like we're just trying to make the best of a shitty situation.
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#4010 bvharris

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:01 AM

Yeah, that's why I thought just offering what they're asking was the best way to go.


I've had several guys who stopped talking to me after I offered them exactly what they asked for. If their interest is "low" or thereabouts, which it almost always is given the crappy legacy score of our coaches, you really do need to overpay them (at least in terms of dollars if not years) to get them to sign.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:01 AM

Yeah, that's why I thought just offering what they're asking was the best way to go. And for re-signing your own guys, I guess we'd just have to not worry about it too much. Honestly, that's a similar system to what the NHL has been trying to set up...setting a max contract length for free agents, but allowing a longer length for their current team.

I don't think that's a terrible idea, as like I said, when you're re-signing guys during the season (and even in the re-sign week after the Super Bowl), you're just competing with yourself. After that though, you're trying to outbid other teams...and that's when the fairness issue really comes into play. Does that make sense to anyone else?


i think that makes it fair sign players that were already on ur team to wut u want and when it comes to open FA u have a 5 year hard cap that everyone must go by

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#4012 bvharris

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:04 AM

i think that makes it fair sign players that were already on ur team to wut u want and when it comes to open FA u have a 5 year hard cap that everyone must go by


That makes sense as long as some shifty character doesn't sign a player to an inflated 1-year deal and then tack on a 6-year extension once they've signed. :D

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#4013 CAGLeagueSports

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:05 AM

I've had several guys who stopped talking to me after I offered them exactly what they asked for. If their interest is "low" or thereabouts, which it almost always is given the crappy legacy score of our coaches, you really do need to overpay them (at least in terms of dollars if not years) to get them to sign.


Yeah, I was only talking about the length of the deal. The dollar amount can vary. Like I said, at least that way, teams that really NEED the player would have to pay more if they really want him.

i think that makes it fair sign players that were already on ur team to wut u want and when it comes to open FA u have a 5 year hard cap that everyone must go by


No, not 5 years, lol. Just whatever length the player is asking for you can't go over (hmm...probably wouldn't be anything wrong with going under if you wanted right?). As we've talked about, not many players ask for over 5 year deals, but I at least want to have a contingency plan for those that do, so it's ok to offer them the length they're asking for. You follow me? lol
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:06 AM

well u just gave everyone that idea so thats been ruined now

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#4015 bvharris

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:07 AM

well u just gave everyone that idea so thats been ruined now


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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:07 AM

That makes sense as long as some shifty character doesn't sign a player to an inflated 1-year deal and then tack on a 6-year extension once they've signed. :D


Geez...all right, Dr. Tanabeo Evil. I didn't even think of that one. Damn...that one year deal would have to be incredibly inflated though for the player to take it over a 4-5 year deal wouldn't you think? I'm trying to think of how to regulate that, but at some point, I feel like there's only so much we can do...other than just request that people not be evil d-bags, lol.

The only thing I can think of is just to tell people that it's not allowed, and if anyone is caught doing it, it's a strike and they have to cut the player, no questions asked.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:57 AM

thread died fast

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:58 AM

thread died fast


Must be a good football game on.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:00 AM

Must be a good football game on.


This is probably the only time I'll pull for the Patriots. If Houston loses, that puts the Colts in control of their own destiny for the AFC South title.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:05 AM

This is probably the only time I'll pull for the Patriots. If Houston loses, that puts the Colts in control of their own destiny for the AFC South title.


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