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#6151 CAGLeagueSports

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:44 AM

I sent him a pm with a straight forward apology. Apologies to the league as well. No excuses anymore.


It's ok. Like I said, it didn't change the outcome of the game. And I know the Jags owner, and I know he's not butthurt over it or anything. It's just one of those things that when you see it, you think "Wow...he thought that was necessary?" which can sometimes feel like rubbing it in. And if we're going to be rubbing it in, I'd at least like to be invited...and I'd also like dinner first, lol ;)
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#6152 Docb9110

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:47 AM

Can Troys sister come? Hajaha sorry Troy I had to dude!

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:03 AM

Can Troys sister come? Hajaha sorry Troy I had to dude!


Sorry. She's already over here!

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#6154 slofton

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:07 AM

Sorry. She's already over here!

I am sorry Troy. I am sure your sister's nice.


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#6155 irideabike

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:07 AM

I hate you all :(

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:13 AM

well talks are starting in the jungle

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#6157 slofton

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:26 AM

Guess I swung and missed with the CPU trade thing huh?

#6158 GpNinja

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:01 AM

Anybody wanna trade me a QB I could have make some big plays in my game but Fitzdirt over threw them. I might how to go to my ovr 61 undrafted rookie he has better passing stats the flitzpatrick.

#6159 Wpark83

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:14 AM

Um...doc, are we still confused on the procedure for closing out a game? 24-7 game. Opponent kicks a field goal to make it 24-10. Then he kicks the ball deep with 1:20 left...and you throw on 1st down? How many times do we need to go over this, people?


At least it wasn't 49-7. You can obviously tell when guys are running up score, I'd have no problem with this.

#6160 Blade3D

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:22 AM

Guess I swung and missed with the CPU trade thing huh?


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#6161 pitfallharry219

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:24 AM

At least it wasn't 49-7. You can obviously tell when guys are running up score, I'd have no problem with this.


While this shot is cheap and unneeded and really doesn't deserve a response, here goes. I played Steggy last night and his run defense is lacking, to put it mildly. I found myself up 21-0 with quite a bit of time left in the first quarter. I let my foot off the gas and it was 28-28 before I knew it. The Vikings were right to keep on playing, and I'm sure there was no intention of embarrassing Steggy.

I've played Kaster enough in this league, both this year and last, to know that he doesn't play like a shithead. I'm sure I'm not the only one with this opinion.

#6162 slofton

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:27 AM

Slofton is DVO?


Haha no. I was talking about my trade that was approved but is still in the air.

#6163 Konfusion

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:35 AM

While this shot is cheap and unneeded and really doesn't deserve a response, here goes. I played Steggy last night and his run defense is lacking, to put it mildly. I found myself up 21-0 with quite a bit of time left in the first quarter. I let my foot off the gas and it was 28-28 before I knew it. The Vikings were right to keep on playing, and I'm sure there was no intention of embarrassing Steggy.

I've played Kaster enough in this league, both this year and last, to know that he doesn't play like a shithead. I'm sure I'm not the only one with this opinion.


All you have to do is look at the stats in that game to know this. Packers turned the ball over 7 times and Vikings only threw the ball 9 times while rushing 32 times. If I turned the ball over that many times and couldn't stop the run in obvious situations, I deserve to get stomped and probably would too.

#6164 jza1218

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:36 AM

Man for a guy with 95 catch, 96 catch in traffic and 98 spectacular catch, I feel like Hakeem Nicks drops a lot of passes.

#6165 CAGLeagueSports

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:44 AM

Guess I swung and missed with the CPU trade thing huh?


No, I agree with you. That trade was approved before the Colts owner bailed. Honestly, it was a miracle that DVO was able to get Luck away from the guy before he vanished entirely. I've discussed your situation with some committee members, but we need to formally go over it. The basic gist is that Indy only has 2 TE, and therefore can't trade Davis.

I think you had mentioned supplementing them with another TE (which would actually balance out since they were originally supposed to get a 3rd round pick anyway). I haven't had time to look at your roster to know who you even have available, but if you want to make a proposal with a TE added into the deal, we can look at it.

At least it wasn't 49-7. You can obviously tell when guys are running up score, I'd have no problem with this.


Unless you have a specific case to raise with evidence to support it, I don't see how posts like this are helpful. It's always been stated that running the ball is pretty much the most simple and basic thing you can do to keep the game moving (unless you'd rather just have people punting on 1st down). It's also how real NFL teams approach the end of the game with a big lead.

But there still has to be some kind of onus on the losing team to play defense and at least try to stop the run. Looking at the boxscore, the Vikings had 163 passing yards and 185 rushing yards. Hard to really make a case that he was "airing the ball out" with those numbers. He threw the ball 9 times and rushed it 32 times, and I can almost guarantee not one of those passing attempts came in the 4th quarter.

The "don't run up the score rule" is really to prevent people from going 5 wide and going for 40 yard passing plays in the 4th quarter just because they've been doing it all game. That's not how teams play in the NFL...and it's not how teams should be playing in here. But if somebody runs the ball and the defense just doesn't tackle him, they're going to score...which is exactly what would happen in real life.
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#6166 GpNinja

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:54 AM

But if somebody runs the ball and the defense just doesn't tackle him, they're going to score...which is exactly what would happen in real life.


Most people including I've played aswell as myself have just taken dives if there going to score and just run the clock out that way.

I feel that people will and are going to say well n8 said if the defensive cant tackle my guy then it's ok to score as a defense to running up the score.

#6167 KasterDB

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:55 AM

At least it wasn't 49-7. You can obviously tell when guys are running up score, I'd have no problem with this.


Quick, before possibly taking vague potshots at me, know a few things:
1) I threw either 1 or 0 passes in the second half, I can't quite remember. Either way, that seems reasonable.
2) There's a reason I pointed out Peterson's 30 touches to Ponder's 9.
3) Most of my drives started inside his 40.
4) The entire fourth quarter I ran the exact same play. Iso out of the I-Form to Peterson. Every time.

Steggy never said he had an issue with how I played. If he did, I apologize and will gladly take a strike or warning or whatever.

Also, in case this wasn't a vague potshot at me, well, it's still good to explain it from my side.

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#6168 KasterDB

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:00 AM

Most people including I've played aswell as myself have just taken dives if there going to score and just run the clock out that way.

I feel that people will and are going to say well n8 said if the defensive cant tackle my guy then it's ok to score as a defense to running up the score.


See, I never busted a big run. It was pretty consistently 8-12 yard gains. Obviously, if I'm at my own 20 and I'm in the open, I'm not going to run all the way. But I'm also not going to just take a knee with four minutes left, and if I'm going to press X to dive at the line of scrimmage instead of picking up 8-12 yards, that's just as pointless.

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#6169 CAGLeagueSports

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:07 AM

Most people including I've played aswell as myself have just taken dives if there going to score and just run the clock out that way.

I feel that people will and are going to say well n8 said if the defensive cant tackle my guy then it's ok to score as a defense to running up the score.


My opinion has always been that that's going above and beyond. It wouldn't happen in real life, so it's not reasonable to expect people to do it in here. To me, it's a balance between not being a complete dick and not being totally patronizing either. We've already had people make the argument that being restricted to running already puts you at a disadvantage because "the defense knows what's coming". So, if they know what's coming, they shouldn't be giving up huge running plays (if they're calling the right plays).

The real problem is people making mistakes and giving up the big play. If you only allow your opponent to nickel and dime you down the field, it's real easy to eat up an entire quarter on one drive. If you're losing 45-0 and start blitzing the house because you're mad and you think that's how you stop the run, it's your fault if you get burned because you're being too aggressive with your playcalling trying to prove a point or whatever (not saying at all that that's what steggy did...just using it as an example). 95% of the time, a simple 4-3, Cover 1 defense is good enough to prevent a big rushing play.

As it's always been, the main objective is chewing up clock and allowing the game to end. Running the ball does that. If we're going to tell people to never score in the 4th quarter while running the ball either, then we basically need to set some kind of "cut off point" for what a "reasonable lead" is. To me, there has to be a compromise on both sides. The winning team is still allowed to move the ball and eat up the clock. And the losing team gets a chance to stop their opponent by having a better idea of what play is coming. In a game that's out of hand in the 4th quarter, I feel like that's about as good as you can do.
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#6170 GpNinja

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:11 AM

See, I never busted a big run. It was pretty consistently 8-12 yard gains. Obviously, if I'm at my own 20 and I'm in the open, I'm not going to run all the way. But I'm also not going to just take a knee with four minutes left, and if I'm going to press X to dive at the line of scrimmage instead of picking up 8-12 yards, that's just as pointless.


I mean't if your going to score people take a dive to prevent it like "busted a big run".

#6171 slofton

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:14 AM

I personally would dive to keep the clock running if my rb broke open. That doesn't seem right to me. I'd personally sub in my back up though. Less better back and also prevents injury to my starter.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:16 AM

I personally would dive to keep the clock running if my rb broke open. That doesn't seem right to me. I'd personally sub in my back up though. Less better back and also prevents injury to my starter.


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:17 AM

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#6174 GpNinja

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:18 AM

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So if your up 45-0 and you broke free in the 4th you'd take it too the house?

#6175 slofton

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:23 AM

Yes. I've been in that side of the score a LOT. My opponent would break one open and run it in. It never bothered me. He's got back ups and running basic run plays and still scores? Shame on me then. I don't want my hand held and to be spoon fed. I don't want a ribbon for coming in last.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:27 AM

Yes. I've been in that side of the score a LOT. My opponent would break one open and run it in. It never bothered me. He's got back ups and running basic run plays and still scores? Shame on me then. I don't want my hand held and to be spoon fed. I don't want a ribbon for coming in last.


Well in that case am going to stop diving and and score lol.

#6177 CAGLeagueSports

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:28 AM

So if your up 45-0 and you broke free in the 4th you'd take it too the house?


If his opponent is making bad defensive play calls, why shouldn't he? I'll admit, if I broke an 80 yard run or something, I might feel kind of bad and maybe would just dive. But I still think it's not reasonable to EXPECT that of somebody. There still has to be an accountability for the losing team. We can't just have the games turning into "Well, my opponent isn't allowed to score anymore, so I'm just going to call Engage Eight on every play or run a goalline defense at the 30 yard line."

I've said the same thing with turnovers. If you're losing 45-0 and you keep forcing bad passes, resulting in INTs, what is your opponent supposed to do? Allowing the game to end is a responsibility that lies with both parties. If I'm getting my ass handed to me, I've been known to run the ball and chew clock, myself. Why? Because I just want the beating to be over with. It's not fair to just put the entire blame on the winning team. If taking a beating bothers you, show your opponent that you're done trying to score, and then it DOES become his responsibility to show you the same kindness. It's a two-way street.
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#6178 slofton

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:36 AM

If I'm getting my ass handed to me, I've been known to run the ball and chew clock, myself. Why? Because I just want the beating to be over with. It's not fair to just put the entire blame on the winning team. If taking a beating bothers you, show your opponent that you're done trying to score, and then it DOES become his responsibility to show you the same kindness. It's a two-way street.



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#6179 jza1218

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:39 AM

If I'm down by more than two scores, which happens a lot, I stop trying to pass the ball. Just End This Game!

#6180 slofton

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:41 AM

If I'm down by more than two scores, which happens a lot, I stop trying to pass the ball. Just End This Game!


Quick! Score two TDs in the first quarter! :)