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#6391 DVO21

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:34 PM

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#6392 CAGLeagueSports

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:37 PM

Are you 100% sure about that? Don't want to sound like a smartass, just asking.

Because I believed bonuses were not part of the salary cap for a team. Just the contract of the palyer.


Yup, this is basically the exact reason you don't see players like this traded very often in the NFL. Even though you're unloading the long-term effects of his contract, you're still hit with the bonus against your cap, plus you're taking on the salaries of the players you're bringing in. Even with Spikes being a 1 year rental (though I assume you'd want to re-sign him), his $5M for 2013 coupled with Austin's bonus hit would make it very challenging to get you back under the cap. That's a lot of money to have to get rid of.

As for "well, isn't it my financial problem?", I can't speak for the whole committee on this as we haven't discussed it in great length, but considering the state that the Panthers are in, I'm not sure how comfortable we'd feel allowing a team to trade themselves into the red. Just doesn't seem like a good idea.
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#6393 GamerDude316

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:37 PM

Trade Approved



and so the DVO RB carousel continues!

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:39 PM

Yup, this is basically the exact reason you don't see players like this traded very often in the NFL. Even though you're unloading the long-term effects of his contract, you're still hit with the bonus against your cap, plus you're taking on the salaries of the players you're bringing in. Even with Spikes being a 1 year rental (though I assume you'd want to re-sign him), his $5M for 2013 coupled with Austin's bonus hit would make it very challenging to get you back under the cap. That's a lot of money to have to get rid of.

As for "well, isn't it my financial problem?", I can't speak for the whole committee on this as we haven't discussed it in great length, but considering the state that the Panthers are in, I'm not sure how comfortable we'd feel allowing a team to trade themselves into the red. Just doesn't seem like a good idea.


if u would like i good hop online real quick crunch the numbers and give wut it would look like if the trade was made. let me know

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#6395 n8rockerasu

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:39 PM

and so the DVO RB carousel continues!


At least he'll be "stuck" with Sproles for the rest of this season.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:40 PM

and so the DVO RB carousel continues!


hey people know where to go if they want to make a trade happen not my fault ;)

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#6397 Blade3D

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:40 PM

How about my trade? I'd like to know before we advance so I could resubmit if need be.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:41 PM

At least he'll be "stuck" with Sproles for the rest of this season.


i might just cut him now to prove a point ;) im stuck with nothing

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#6399 irideabike

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Wow saints made out on that one IMO good trade addressing two positions

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:46 PM

Yup, this is basically the exact reason you don't see players like this traded very often in the NFL. Even though you're unloading the long-term effects of his contract, you're still hit with the bonus against your cap, plus you're taking on the salaries of the players you're bringing in. Even with Spikes being a 1 year rental (though I assume you'd want to re-sign him), his $5M for 2013 coupled with Austin's bonus hit would make it very challenging to get you back under the cap. That's a lot of money to have to get rid of.

As for "well, isn't it my financial problem?", I can't speak for the whole committee on this as we haven't discussed it in great length, but considering the state that the Panthers are in, I'm not sure how comfortable we'd feel allowing a team to trade themselves into the red. Just doesn't seem like a good idea.


I see what you mean there. I'll tell you know. I'm not as good as Doo Mane was nor would I be a dick and just quit for no apparent reason. I mean, if we could do something like that it would be appreciated.


Because as you saw, yes, I was trying to get out of Austin's contract. I'm ok with taking a hit now just to get some more cap space later on.



Is there a way this could be worked out? Like I lose a 4th round pick for going over the cap?

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:48 PM

I see what you mean there. I'll tell you know. I'm not as good as Doo Mane was nor would I be a dick and just quit for no apparent reason. I mean, if we could do something like that it would be appreciated.


Because as you saw, yes, I was trying to get out of Austin's contract. I'm ok with taking a hit now just to get some more cap space later on.



Is there a way this could be worked out? Like I lose a 4th round pick for going over the cap?


You might be better off waiting until after the season. The cap hit will be less and you might have more room to absorb the hit.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:49 PM

You might be better off waiting until after the season. The cap hit will be less and you might have more room to absorb the hit.


This would probably be your best option.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:51 PM

by the math i just did the cowboys would actually almost double the cap space they have now by doing that trade

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#6404 CAGLeagueSports

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:54 PM

I see what you mean there. I'll tell you know. I'm not as good as Doo Mane was nor would I be a dick and just quit for no apparent reason. I mean, if we could do something like that it would be appreciated.


Because as you saw, yes, I was trying to get out of Austin's contract. I'm ok with taking a hit now just to get some more cap space later on.



Is there a way this could be worked out? Like I lose a 4th round pick for going over the cap?


Yeah, what jza and Blade said is pretty accurate. For reference, this is the NFL's stance on going over the cap.

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  • If a team goes over the salary cap, it must forfeit a contract or restructure contracts to assure the player is under the salary cap.

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  • For teams that do not abide by the salary cap, not only will they be forced to forfeit the contracts of some players, but also to forfeit games. The NFL Commissioner has the final say in the punishment.


So, the only option you would have is cutting players...but you also still need 53 players. Personally, I don't think it would be fair to allow a team to be over the cap. The only reason nothing has been done with Carolina (though I really haven't even looked at their situation since they've been on autopilot...I guess I just hoped the CPU would fix it, lol) is because no one has even considered taking them.

At the end of the day, we're all dealing with the same salary cap, and these are things that have to be considered when signing or trading players. It's a limitation...but a very realistic one. For me personally, I haven't traded or cut anybody who had a substantial bonus because I didn't want to be buried with cap penalties. You just have to work within your means.
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#6405 GamerDude316

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:55 PM

Wow saints made out on that one IMO good trade addressing two positions


Part of me thinks this is bad news for my division, but at the same time I couldnt stop Sproles to save my life when I played him last year. SO maybe its a blessing in disguise 8-)

#6406 GamerDude316

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:57 PM

At the end of the day, we're all dealing with the same salary cap, and these are things that have to be considered when signing or trading players. It's a limitation...but a very realistic one. For me personally, I haven't traded or cut anybody who had a substantial bonus because I didn't want to be buried with cap penalties. You just have to work within your means.



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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:57 PM

Part of me thinks this is bad news for my division, but at the same time I couldnt stop Sproles to save my life when I played him last year. SO maybe its a blessing in disguise 8-)

Yeah, this trade happened just in time for me to play the Saints this week :-k

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#6408 CAGLeagueSports

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:59 PM

by the math i just did the cowboys would actually almost double the cap space they have now by doing that trade


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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:01 PM

Part of me thinks this is bad news for my division, but at the same time I couldnt stop Sproles to save my life when I played him last year. SO maybe its a blessing in disguise 8-)


Yeah, this trade happened just in time for me to play the Saints this week :-k


I am hoping to turn Wilson into Sproles v2 with time ;)

Pretty excited to add Cruz to my WR corps. Beisdes Colston - my other wide outs aren't too impressive.

#6410 GamerDude316

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:04 PM

I am hoping to turn Wilson into Sproles v2 with time ;)

Pretty excited to add Cruz to my WR corps. Beisdes Colston - my other wide outs aren't too impressive.


We dont play till week 14, I'm excited to see how our matchups will go. I feel like I've improved since our late-season matchup last year and we both have had personnel changes.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:06 PM

We dont play till week 14, I'm excited to see how our matchups will go. I feel like I've improved since our late-season matchup last year and we both have had personnel changes.


It will be a fun game! I remember having fun with our last game.

I have made a few scheme changes that I am hoping will pay off - but time will tell.

#6412 GamerDude316

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:09 PM

It will be a fun game! I remember having fun with our last game.

I have made a few scheme changes that I am hoping will pay off - but time will tell.


as have I. It also feels nice to have decent LBs this year.

#6413 CAGLeagueSports

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:15 PM

49ers send:

LE Ray McDonald AGE 29 (2.11m, 2.44m, 2.87m)
49ers 1st Round Pick
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Giants send:

LE Justin Tuck AGE 29 (2.8m)
QB Andy Dalton AGE 25 (450k, 590k)

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I am looking for an upgrade on my defensive line, and I need a competent backup QB. My backup QB was horrible in the preseason. I hope using the photos was okay.


Trade Approved...just yeah, no more pictures for stats. We no likey.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:18 PM

show your work.


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#6415 CAGLeagueSports

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:18 PM

Also, I remember doc saying that the Giants / Texans trade had been resubmitted, but I don't think I ever got it. Send that one in again if you can.
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#6416 CAGLeagueSports

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:21 PM

kaster?


Seriously? An open discussion about a trade you're not involved in and whether or not it's possible within the confines of the salary cap is something you think you need your personal commissioner for? All righty then...

Although, now actually looking at the contracts, it appears the numbers reported were inaccurate. I'm only seeing Spikes having a $1.94M salary for the final year of his deal. This is why I PM'd ballinhun8 to ask if the totals given were for the remaining years and amounts on the deal or the total deal amounts. This is extra garbage legwork that we shouldn't have to be doing here.

But since I've got most of it done already, this is what I was talking about.

Austin - 2013 salary - $7.6M
Austin - cap penalty - $4M

Clears $3.6M against 2013 cap

Floyd - 2013 salary - $1.09M
Spikes - 2013 salary - $1.94M

New 2013 salary coming in - $3.03M

So, based on that, they'd be fine. Would have been nice to have correct numbers to begin with though. From now on, individual year salaries need to be listed in trade proposals. I'm not going to trust anybody to be able to add.

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#6417 Docb9110

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:23 PM

Jza can you resubmit it for us?

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:24 PM

i asked an open question the to committee about my trade and u felt the need to do that to me. u could have simply said nothing or given me then info if u knowingly had it. i offered a an apology to u in this thread and not once did u even feel the need to respond to that. but u felt the need earlier the be rude a call upon kaster to try and make some type of statement by doing that.

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#6419 KasterDB

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:26 PM

Yeah, DVO, I'm just going to post your PM to me in here.

cowboys current cap space 3.23mil

austins contract 7 years total 4 years remaining bonus 7 mill
2013-7.60mil
the other years dont matter other than the bonus money everything else goes to the pats. but the 2013 matters becuz that effects the cowboys current cap space.

bonus money 7/7=1*4years remaining =4/2=2
thats leaves us with 2 mill cap pen in 2013 and 2014
7.6-2=5.6money saved from trade 5.6 + 3.23 mil = 8.83 mil cap space

so then we go to floyds contract
2013-1.09 mil
8.83mil - 1.09 = 7.74 mil cowboys cap space

spikes contract in 2013
1.94mil

7.74mil - 1.94 = 5.8 mil cowboys cap space 2013

before trade 3.23
after trade 5.8 mil (thats even without taking out the tiny bonus spikes contract not going to the cowboys which is somewhere around the range 300k so cowboys cap space being around the range of 5.8 to about 6.1

I've bolded the one part that I didn't follow. If the remaining bonus is 7 million over four years, shouldn't it be 1.75 million over the next four years, not 2 million over the next two?

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#6420 jza1218

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:27 PM

Jza can you resubmit it for us?


I forgot was it a second or third? I didn't get the resubmission email so I don't recall.