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#11461 DVO21

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 09:05 PM

So does this mean doc was actually getting the better end of the deal since moores cit was about 11 points lower?

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#11462 slofton

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 09:15 PM

haha Pretty much everything you guys said doesnt work is what im trying to do. Sonofa. My D is Zone based and I don't throw to my HB/TE's but maybe twice a game. I completely thought route running was the best stat behind SPD and CIT too.

#11463 irideabike

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 09:16 PM

haha Pretty much everything you guys said doesnt work is what im trying to do. Sonofa. My D is Zone based and I don't know to my HB/TE's but maybe twice a game. I completely thought route running was the best stat behind SPD and CIT too.


Route is imho the 4th right behind release

#11464 irideabike

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 09:20 PM

In a normal game I'd say route is 3 but this league seems to only run press so I put it at 4

#11465 dr0ppinL0adz

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 09:22 PM

I rarely put my XP into CIT. D'oh!

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 09:28 PM

I rarely put my XP into CIT. D'oh!


Weren't you in the Super Bowl? :lol:

Be careful with excessive pressing, everyone. I know if I see you pressing too much I am sending Thomas on a streak to the end zone.

#11467 irideabike

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 09:29 PM

Ya if you think about it does your WR usually get wide open or is he in traffic ;)

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 09:30 PM

So does this mean doc was actually getting the better end of the deal since moores cit was about 11 points lower?


If Moore's such a "shitty" receiver, then why are you trying to trade for him? Same thing with Stephen Hill. If you thought he was such a beast why weren't you tearing up the league with him, and kept trying to trade him numerous times? The trade committee isn't stupid and can see when you're trying to upsell/downsell a guy. Whether route running and other attributes actually make a difference or not...they're what EA gave us.

It's bad enough that OVR is a useless piece of shit. If you expect the trade committee to hash out which attributes will be useful to each team and which won't (outside of the obvious: speed), that's not how it's going to go. Players are judged for the skills they have. If EA botched certain attributes and they "don't matter", that's just the way it goes.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 09:41 PM

Ya if you think about it does your WR usually get wide open or is he in traffic ;)


Honestly, if you actually think about it, CIT is a stupid attribute...or it should at least be superceded by CTH to begin with. You could theoretically have a guy with 60 CTH but 90 CIT. How does that make sense?

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 09:50 PM

If Moore's such a "shitty" receiver, then why are you trying to trade for him? Same thing with Stephen Hill. If you thought he was such a beast why weren't you tearing up the league with him, and kept trying to trade him numerous times? The trade committee isn't stupid and can see when you're trying to upsell/downsell a guy. Whether route running and other attributes actually make a difference or not...they're what EA gave us.

It's bad enough that OVR is a useless piece of shit. If you expect the trade committee to hash out which attributes will be useful to each team and which won't (outside of the obvious: speed), that's not how it's going to go. Players are judged for the skills they have. If EA botched certain attributes and they "don't matter", that's just the way it goes.


Wow i asked a question to try and gain knowledge and act like a dick. And incase u didnt know stephen hill in the official in one season lead the league in yards tds and catches so must be somewhat good. And maybe he doesnt fit my scheme so i tried moving him. But now that my new scheme works with him i havent tried.moving him. Also my reasoning for wanting moore was in the trade incase u didnt read it all.
So much for this league being about question and learning how to get better becuz if i asked and simple question u act a like a prick. Im sure u will even try to turn this into a of trying to make me look like a dick. I didnt attak anyone yet u attack me for asking a question.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 09:56 PM

Wow i asked a question to try and gain knowledge and act like a dick. And incase u didnt know stephen hill in the official in one season lead the league in yards tds and catches so must be somewhat good. And maybe he doesnt fit my scheme so i tried moving him. But now that my new scheme works with him i havent tried.moving him. Also my reasoning for wanting moore was in the trade incase u didnt read it all.
So much for this league being about question and learning how to get better becuz if i asked and simple question u act a like a prick. Im sure u will even try to turn this into a of trying to make me look like a dick. I didnt attak anyone yet u attack me for asking a question.


You asked a question that was already answered with the committee's ruling. If you were wondering if that just randomly changed because of today's discussion, then, no, it hasn't. Sorry. I didn't think that was a serious question. The rest of my post still applies...as far as how we evaluate players.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 10:16 PM

It should be noted that Stephen Hill was on Hemingway's team when he led the other league in everything.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 10:52 PM

Can anybody tell me who the bills play this week? If you see this I can play tonight around 9pm central.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 10:57 PM

Can anybody tell me who the bills play this week? If you see this I can play tonight around 9pm central.


You play me. Can you do any earlier than 9 PM CST? I can't start that late today or tomorrow. My availability the next two nights is probably going to be 5:30 PM CST to 8 PM CST (latest starting time). If that doesn't work, we'll have to wait for the weekend when my availability opens up more.

#11475 dr0ppinL0adz

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 11:03 PM

Ya if you think about it does your WR usually get wide open or is he in traffic ;)


Depends on what "traffic" is. I try not to throw to a player unless he's wide open or there is a large gap between him and the DB. The exception being a curl route. Otherwise I get picked or it's a drop.. now I know why! haha time to upgrade CIT

#11476 dr0ppinL0adz

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 11:09 PM

Weren't you in the Super Bowl? :lol:

Be careful with excessive pressing, everyone. I know if I see you pressing too much I am sending Thomas on a streak to the end zone.


Haha I made it thanks to Tebow's clutchness and my kicker's awesome range. Other than Santonio, my receivers were crap. And B. Marshall was hurt
I press almost everytime...and I do remember you hitting thomas often against me.

#11477 irideabike

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 11:18 PM

I just view traffic as they do in the NFL, anyone with someone within 4-5 yards or anywhere in the middle of the field is in traffic.

#11478 dr0ppinL0adz

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 11:25 PM

I just view traffic as they do in the NFL, anyone with someone within 4-5 yards or anywhere in the middle of the field is in traffic.


damn. i must've already used up my XP on other shit cuz i don't have much to give to my WR's.. Makes sense what you're saying though. I just checked Brandon Marshall and his CIT is 96.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 12:33 AM

Hell of a game between me and xboxchromosome...I have no idea why he is winless...great game even better character from him

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 12:46 AM

I preferred Madden franchise when you didn't have direct control over what attributes were improved. I liked it when I had a good season with a player and saw his attributes and OVR go up a few points in the offseason. We don't have that anymore and that is something we have to deal with. This is the game we have right now and at this stage in the games life, there is a lot of information out there to help you get better. When Madden 25 comes out, this should all start over and people will again start discussions about how to be better in the new game. There is a difference between having knowledge of strategies/attributes and cheating or being a cheap player. Why wouldn't you value CIT in a league where most catches are made with a defender draped over your receiver? Spectacular catch animations rarely happen. Why would I want to improve that attribute when I can improve things that are more important like CIT, Route Running, or Release. It isn't a cheap tactic for people to understand these things. If anyone should understand these things, it should be all of the people on the trade committee. They are expected to know the value of a player. How would they have a good understanding of what a player is worth if they don't understand what attributes effect?

If you really dislike EA and Madden so much, then why play it? Sell the game and play something else. Put your money where your mouth is and don't buy the game this year. I have a good friend who traded in Madden 13 not long after it was released. He has bought Madden every year for a long time and told me the other night that he will not buy Madden or NCAA this year. Time will tell if he actually sticks to that, but If you hate it, nobody is forcing you to play it or buy it. I had plenty of video games to play before I started buying Madden every year.

Complaining about the games flaws in April when everyone has discovered what they are is pointless. I would guess the guys at EA don't read our thread and wouldn't care about our complaints anyway. You can expect people to do what you want to a certain point, but expecting everyone to play and learn the exact same way just isn't going to happen. I think we can all agree that what we have here is a hell of a lot better than playing against randoms online. This is about as good as it is gonna get as far as honest gameplay goes, yet we are constantly complaining about it.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 01:11 AM

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 01:41 AM

I preferred Madden franchise when you didn't have direct control over what attributes were improved. I liked it when I had a good season with a player and saw his attributes and OVR go up a few points in the offseason. We don't have that anymore and that is something we have to deal with. This is the game we have right now and at this stage in the games life, there is a lot of information out there to help you get better. When Madden 25 comes out, this should all start over and people will again start discussions about how to be better in the new game. There is a difference between having knowledge of strategies/attributes and cheating or being a cheap player. Why wouldn't you value CIT in a league where most catches are made with a defender draped over your receiver? Spectacular catch animations rarely happen. Why would I want to improve that attribute when I can improve things that are more important like CIT, Route Running, or Release. It isn't a cheap tactic for people to understand these things. If anyone should understand these things, it should be all of the people on the trade committee. They are expected to know the value of a player. How would they have a good understanding of what a player is worth if they don't understand what attributes effect?

If you really dislike EA and Madden so much, then why play it? Sell the game and play something else. Put your money where your mouth is and don't buy the game this year. I have a good friend who traded in Madden 13 not long after it was released. He has bought Madden every year for a long time and told me the other night that he will not buy Madden or NCAA this year. Time will tell if he actually sticks to that, but If you hate it, nobody is forcing you to play it or buy it. I had plenty of video games to play before I started buying Madden every year.

Complaining about the games flaws in April when everyone has discovered what they are is pointless. I would guess the guys at EA don't read our thread and wouldn't care about our complaints anyway. You can expect people to do what you want to a certain point, but expecting everyone to play and learn the exact same way just isn't going to happen. I think we can all agree that what we have here is a hell of a lot better than playing against randoms online. This is about as good as it is gonna get as far as honest gameplay goes, yet we are constantly complaining about it.


You completely missed the point, but good for you. What was said was the trade committee considers all attribute ratings. We're not going to sit there and nitpick X stat is important, but Y stat isn't. If EA wants to put out a shitty product where half of the attributes don't actually do anything, that's their business. But it's not going to change how we evaluate trades.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 01:52 AM

You completely missed the point, but good for you. What was said was the trade committee considers all attribute ratings. We're not going to sit there and nitpick X stat is important, but Y stat isn't. If EA wants to put out a shitty product where half of the attributes don't actually do anything, that's their business. But it's not going to change how we evaluate trades.


thats seems a little odd bitching about a broken game but keeping the committee just as broken. thats like saying demps shouldn't get traded for high value becuz hes just super fast even though we know what hes actually able to do in this game becuz its broken. even though earlier in the game u said if the lions would trade Best they should get well compensated becuz hes a "madden beast". well then why isnt it recognized that certain attributes make WRs "madden beast"?

o before u try and use this i could careless about my trade anymore. and dont worry i dont plan on trading hill anymore either.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 01:53 AM

My $.02 on all this is really quite simple, although I'm sure it will ruffle a few feathers anyway:

Both leagues were created by the commissioners as a fun place to play Madden with CAG friends. If the commissioners (this goes for Nate, BV, and Fero) feel that you do not enjoy playing with certain league members (which has become clear from my time in both this league and my short time in the other one that there are several in both who the commissioners wish were not in the league), then simply dont welcome them back for Madden 25. Everybody wins. The league members not deemed welcome can find other leagues where the SPD, MCV, and CIT exploits are more widely accepted, the commissioners can enjoy playing with friends who better match their playstyles and realistic football elements and free themselves of the headaches induced by those ex-members, and other general members in the thread will get a break from all the complaining on both sides.

It certainly seems like Nate, BV, and Fero are tired of the track meet games and cheese that so many play (heck Uber left the official league in large part because of that) so why not rid the problem for next year? These are CAG leagues, not iron-clad contracts afterall lol. We can bellyache about EA all we want, but we can also take steps to create a better environment for next year assuming EA wont deliver a realistic football game. Just my thoughts anyway.

And as far as CIT, I agree that its an important attribute, but its absolutely ridiculous that is means more than CTH. If I dont think a guy can catch the open pass, why should I expect him to catch it better when defenders are all over him? That doesnt make sense in the NFL or in Madden.

EDIT: I should make this clear, I dont personally have an issue with anybody in this league. Everyone I've played has been respectful and the few minor issues that I experienced were handled in-game and are no issue now, something I cant say is the case with my experience in the official league. I dont want anybody thinking I have some sort of vendetta against them.

Edited by GamerDude316, 25 April 2013 - 02:12 AM.


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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:06 AM

You completely missed the point, but good for you. What was said was the trade committee considers all attribute ratings. We're not going to sit there and nitpick X stat is important, but Y stat isn't. If EA wants to put out a shitty product where half of the attributes don't actually do anything, that's their business. But it's not going to change how we evaluate trades.


Half of the attributes don't do anything? Please elaborate on that.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:09 AM

thats seems a little odd bitching about a broken game but keeping the committee just as broken. thats like saying demps shouldn't get traded for high value becuz hes just super fast even though we know what hes actually able to do in this game becuz its broken. even though earlier in the game u said if the lions would trade Best they should get well compensated becuz hes a "madden beast". well then why isnt it recognized that certain attributes make WRs "madden beast"?

o before u try and use this i could careless about my trade anymore. and dont worry i dont plan on trading hill anymore either.


To be fair, when I got Demps his carry was like 65-70. It took a while before I could even play him without fumbling. He sat behind Reggie last year for a reason.

Edit: For anyone wondering, it's at like 91-92 now.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:12 AM

To be fair, when I got Demps his carry was like 65-70. It took a while before I could even play him without fumbling. He sat behind Reggie last year for a reason.

Edit: For anyone wondering, it's at like 91-92 now.


it wasnt a shot at u at all im sure his carry was low but making him a PR/KR prolly was something u did to help bring up his carry until u got it high enough to bring him in that way if anyone did touch him he wouldnt fumble everytime then he slowly got built up. until his speed and carry lead into being a beast becuz he couldnt be touched with that blazing speed.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:13 AM

thats seems a little odd bitching about a broken game but keeping the committee just as broken. thats like saying demps shouldn't get traded for high value becuz hes just super fast even though we know what hes actually able to do in this game becuz its broken. even though earlier in the game u said if the lions would trade Best they should get well compensated becuz hes a "madden beast". well then why isnt it recognized that certain attributes make WRs "madden beast"?

o before u try and use this i could careless about my trade anymore. and dont worry i dont plan on trading hill anymore either.


I already said that speed was the most obvious attribute to pay attention to. But are you saying that CIT is on the same level as speed? troy just has a rough estimate of what CIT actually means "making a catch with a defender within 4-5 yards". But there's no proof that that's what it is....nor is there a tangible way to measure it. For that matter, is there any proof that a receiver's CIT will prevent a cornerback with high MCV or PRS from jumping the route? Because nobody has ever mentioned that to me (or anyone in the trade committee that I'm aware of).

Without knowing that, how do you accurately value CIT...or know for certain that it has a greater importance than RTE? Speed is speed...and you can easily see the effect it has on the game. So, yeah...I guess if I'm speaking for the committee, I doubt anyone sees CIT alone as making someone a "beast receiver", as opposed to speed alone making someone a "beast running back".

Half of the attributes don't do anything? Please elaborate on that.


lol...are you serious, man? The entire discussion in here today has been about SPC not mattering, AWR not mattering, etc. Previously, it's been said that BCV doesn't do anything. Because of zone coverage being broken, you could argue that ZCV is worthless. And it goes on from there.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:21 AM

he was comparing CIT to spectacular catch. saying spectacular catch wasnt as important as CIT. becuz ur more than likely going to take hit while catching a ball compared to getting a diving catch. which i think most people would agree. even with fast WRs i still take alot of quick it while they are catching it and they drop it if its not high enough. not sure where route running came from unless ur talking about stephen hill still which isnt even the reason this topic was even brought up it was brought up becuz he claimed spectacular catch and CIT was pretty much even.

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