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#61 Batcave Dweller

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:47 PM

No need to let those anti-(console/handheld) comments get on your nerves. Usually, such gamers can't be reasoned with so what's the point?

I got myself a white Vita (Amazon BF deal) b/c I wanted to (re)play some RPGs such as Xenogears (my all-time PS1 fave), earlier installments of Disgaea & Persona (never had a PSP) and, of course, P4G. RPGs are very time-consuming so that makes the Vita a good investment in my book.

As for 3DS, I do like its optional 3D effect. It's pretty cool having two visual styles (with or without 3D) without the need for special glasses. It's just a feature (of many) that makes 3DS more fun than DS.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 07:35 PM

holy shit PimpLimp and whoknows are dumbasses


Do tell me what amazing features/experiences the 3DS offers over the DS then.

Or are you getting upset over something else?

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#63 Richard Kain

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 07:47 PM

As PimpLimp already pointed out, it is very premature to declare the Vita a disappointment at this stage. The device was launched this year, and doesn't even have twelve months under its belt. And much like with the original PSP, a lot of developers have missed the point with the Vita, opting to produce only miniaturized versions of console titles instead of game crafted specifically for the system.

Declaring the Vita a disappointment over those issues, and so early, is pushing it. Overt comparisons to the 3DS are also more than a little unfair. The 3DS is a different handheld with a clearly different focus. It also launched a year earlier, and already has a second hardware iteration.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 09:08 PM

I bought the $180 bundle. As i would have never, ever bought one for launch/retail price. I didn't expect to enjoy it much. Thought i would sell it off, but man, i'm actually really enjoying the Vita. I'm playing through about 6 games at once on the thing. I haven't done that on a handheld in years.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:17 PM

Do tell me what amazing features/experiences the 3DS offers over the DS then.

Or are you getting upset over something else?


Unless you're two, it's very easy to see.

Stronger hardware, bigger software chips, Miis, eShop, etc.

Pretty much the same things that any other console/system got over its predecessor. It's very easy to see you're too stupid and ignorant to get out of the sea of fanboys on the internet by looking at this thread, so talking to you will be pointless.

Also, for the record, I don't enjoy my 3DS that much. The two games I bought for it, SM3DL and OoT 3D, are both disappointing and I only use the system for internet browsing since I lost my tablet charger. I definitely wished I picked up the Vita instead, but I have a lot of games already to play on older systems.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:35 PM

As PimpLimp already pointed out, it is very premature to declare the Vita a disappointment at this stage. The device was launched this year, and doesn't even have twelve months under its belt. And much like with the original PSP, a lot of developers have missed the point with the Vita, opting to produce only miniaturized versions of console titles instead of game crafted specifically for the system.

Declaring the Vita a disappointment over those issues, and so early, is pushing it. Overt comparisons to the 3DS are also more than a little unfair. The 3DS is a different handheld with a clearly different focus. It also launched a year earlier, and already has a second hardware iteration.


You really can't blame developers on this, they are taking the risk. What Sony needs to do is some how think of a way to attract developers to do this or even let Sony evoke this.

I would love to see a game with Ratchet & Clank and then somehow incorporate another experience with Qwark in the background helping them out without him being overly involved in each others story. This doesn't have to be a separate game but something in the way they are doing with LBP Karting and PSH: All-Stars and adding it to the game.

Something along these lines would definitely attract more people towards the Vita.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:38 PM

Unless you're two, it's very easy to see.

Stronger hardware, bigger software chips, Miis, eShop, etc.

Pretty much the same things that any other console/system got over its predecessor. It's very easy to see you're too stupid and ignorant to get out of the sea of fanboys on the internet by looking at this thread, so talking to you will be pointless.

Also, for the record, I don't enjoy my 3DS that much. The two games I bought for it, SM3DL and OoT 3D, are both disappointing and I only use the system for internet browsing since I lost my tablet charger. I definitely wished I picked up the Vita instead, but I have a lot of games already to play on older systems.


eshop wasn't introduced with the 3DS, I already said it's more powerful than the last one, and if Mii's add something for you then great, I don't see the point of them or the friends list with the way it currently is. If it was structured the way it is on Vita then it would be cool, but it's not. The 3DS simply doesn't feel like a huge improvement over the 3DS the way the Vita does over the PSP. The Vita does some things better than even the PS3.

I don't see why you're so upset.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:52 PM

I wish Nintendo would have thought of the touch screen in the back, that actually adds a really cool element to the Vita. The 3DS is great in it's own aspect in being made by Nintendo but as far as jumping the gap to the next generation it didn't add too much other than the 3D. A higher resolution screen like the one Vita has would have been a nice touch to say the least.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:57 PM

I'm mainly just impressed with how much smoother it is to use the Vita than it is the PS3.

You can easily and quickly hop into the store if you want while playing a game, open the web browser, start party chat (something the PS3 doesn't even have), and synching trophies/comparing with friends is so much quicker and smoother than it is on PS3.

I also love being able to just hit the PS button and stop a game.

Hope it's a taste of what it will be like to use the PS4.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:13 AM

I personally find the back touchscreen to be the worst feature of the Vita because it makes it a pain to hold the system comfortably (especially in bed) while playing games that use it. Since that's the majority of my Vita time, I usually just skip those games.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:35 AM

eshop wasn't introduced with the 3DS, I already said it's more powerful than the last one, and if Mii's add something for you then great, I don't see the point of them or the friends list with the way it currently is. If it was structured the way it is on Vita then it would be cool, but it's not. The 3DS simply doesn't feel like a huge improvement over the 3DS the way the Vita does over the PSP. The Vita does some things better than even the PS3.

I don't see why you're so upset.

Seeing through the thread again, it seems like my posts shouldn't have been directed at you actually and pretty much only at PimpLimp. I thought you were also in the camp that the only change of the 3DS is the 3D.

So my apologies.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:01 AM

people forget when the sega genesis came out it only had 5 games for the many many many months.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:31 AM

Seeing through the thread again, it seems like my posts shouldn't have been directed at you actually and pretty much only at PimpLimp. I thought you were also in the camp that the only change of the 3DS is the 3D.

So my apologies.

Go back and read again then, cause no where did I state that 3D was the ONLY thing added to the 3DS. What I did say however, is that the 3D aspect is the only marketable difference between the DS and 3DS. This is a FACT. Most of the hardware upgrades were to support this 3D feature. Another FACT. I also made it a point to note that my real displeasure with the 3DS was how little Nintendo actually did to improve and distinguish it from it's predecessor.

Please learn basic reading comprehension before calling anybody a dumb ass.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 05:01 AM

The software on the 3DS is absolutely garbage. I feel bad for the above poster that said he uses his to browse the internet.

I'd rather use a first generation smart phone with just the mobile internet.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 07:13 AM

Persona 4 Golden completely redeemed the Vita for 2012 for a lot of people I feel. If it wasn't an exclusive I don't know if I would have gottena Vita, even with the great Amazon BF bundle.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:27 PM

The software on the 3DS is absolutely garbage. I feel bad for the above poster that said he uses his to browse the internet.

I'd rather use a first generation smart phone with just the mobile internet.


Yeah the software is garbage on the 3DS! It drives me crazy. It's so slow and tedious. I almost wish it had no menus and just booted right into the games. It's obvious that Nintendo should have included at least 4GB in the console because it's reading everything off the SD Card.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 11:37 PM

I personally believe that the biggest mistake that Sony made with the Vita is that they added too many features that are rarely used. Why have front facing and a back camera? I haven't used either camera once and I wanted to take pictures or take videos I would do it with my tablet or phone. Was the touch screen and the touch pad on the back that necessary? They should of stayed away from all of that so they could of had a lower retail price so more people would buy it. The selling point of the Vita should be the graphics and the dual analog sticks.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 11:42 PM

I personally believe that the biggest mistake that Sony made with the Vita is that they added too many features that are rarely used. Why have front facing and a back camera? I haven't used either camera once and I wanted to take pictures or take videos I would do it with my tablet or phone. Was the touch screen and the touch pad on the back that necessary? They should of stayed away from all of that so they could of had a lower retail price so more people would buy it. The selling point of the Vita should be the graphics and the dual analog sticks.


Skype uses the front facing camera and at least one game (MGS) uses the back facing camera to make custom camo. I've used the back touch pad in a handful of of games.

You're right though those features are a little silly... almost as silly as using the "gyro" feature on the 3DS when even the slightest movement will make the 3D go out of focus.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 04:04 AM

I personally believe that the biggest mistake that Sony made with the Vita is that they added too many features that are rarely used. Why have front facing and a back camera? I haven't used either camera once and I wanted to take pictures or take videos I would do it with my tablet or phone. Was the touch screen and the touch pad on the back that necessary? They should of stayed away from all of that so they could of had a lower retail price so more people would buy it. The selling point of the Vita should be the graphics and the dual analog sticks.


While your concerns have merit, the reality is that Sony is chasing the iphone/ipad model, the vita is really a combination of both a handheld gaming device and an iphone, in effect marrying both devices into one. And I think Sony has done a damn good job of it. Unlike Nintendo, Sony does not have the strong IP to carry a handheld on just gaming alone, but must compete against the biggest selling handheld, the iphone/ipad, but to do that, the Vita must also best the iphone/ipad with better controls (dual analog, shoulder buttons, etc) and better games. The Vita has that, but to survive and thrive, it will need more and better games that utilize all the offerings of the ipad/iphone model. That model is really changing the mobile gaming market, and Sony, as well as Nintendo, must adapt and be better...
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 04:46 AM

While your concerns have merit, the reality is that Sony is chasing the iphone/ipad model, the vita is really a combination of both a handheld gaming device and an iphone, in effect marrying both devices into one. And I think Sony has done a damn good job of it. Unlike Nintendo, Sony does not have the strong IP to carry a handheld on just gaming alone, but must compete against the biggest selling handheld, the iphone/ipad, but to do that, the Vita must also best the iphone/ipad with better controls (dual analog, shoulder buttons, etc) and better games. The Vita has that, but to survive and thrive, it will need more and better games that utilize all the offerings of the ipad/iphone model. That model is really changing the mobile gaming market, and Sony, as well as Nintendo, must adapt and be better...


I disagree. Sony isn't competing with smart phones. How can the vita compete with smart phones when it is missing the main function of a smart phone which is making phone calls?

The future of portable gaming devices is providing something that can't be had on smart phones. That something is hard core games and/or games that need complex controls that have great graphics. Hard core gamers aren't concerned with the gimmicky stuff (reason why the wii never caught on with hard core gamers).

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 05:05 AM

What is a "hardcore gamer"? I swear that term gets thrown around loosely, I would like to think a hardcore gamer is somebody that enjoys and tries to perfect any game they are playing regardless of the system it's on. I guarantee you if the Wii was just as powerful and was HD a big portion of games that get ported around anyway would have been on the wii.

I think people need to start using the term "fanboy gamer" in there own sense more often than none.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 07:06 PM

I disagree. Sony isn't competing with smart phones. How can the vita compete with smart phones when it is missing the main function of a smart phone which is making phone calls?

The future of portable gaming devices is providing something that can't be had on smart phones. That something is hard core games and/or games that need complex controls that have great graphics. Hard core gamers aren't concerned with the gimmicky stuff (reason why the wii never caught on with hard core gamers).


how much time is used to make calls compared to other actions on a smart phone? A lot less I believe. And while that may be taken up by tweets, ims, facebook, etc., it is obvious to anyone that plays games that ios games are a HUGE part of smartphone environment. Can a handheld compete against the almost giveaway prices of ios games? Apparently numerous gaming companies don't think so. And while your "hardcore" gamer may poo-poo ios games, anyone in the developer market does so at their financial risk...
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:29 AM

how much time is used to make calls compared to other actions on a smart phone? A lot less I believe. And while that may be taken up by tweets, ims, facebook, etc., it is obvious to anyone that plays games that ios games are a HUGE part of smartphone environment. Can a handheld compete against the almost giveaway prices of ios games? Apparently numerous gaming companies don't think so. And while your "hardcore" gamer may poo-poo ios games, anyone in the developer market does so at their financial risk...


Nothing personal, but I still don't understand this logic. First off, many people make phone calls. Secondly the people that don't talk that much like to have that capability for emergency purposes. The Vita is not in the same market as any phone. It is like saying that skate boards and cars are in the same market because they both have wheels and they get you places. People don't say to themselves "Hmmm should I buy a Vita or an Iphone?" Also if you think that the Vita did everything right in their modeling, then why are they doing so bad in the sales department? I personally believe it is because they tried doing too many things at once. Like the saying goes, "Jack of all trades, master of none". They need to differentiate themselves and don't throw in fancy technology that many people won't use. Let the IOS developers come up with the simple games, and the Sony developers should focus and throw money at games like Call of Duty and other complex controlled games, instead of letting them come up with these half hearted games.

I am no expert on this stuff, but this is my reasoning as to why the Vita is a "Disappointment".

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:33 AM

What is a "hardcore gamer"? I swear that term gets thrown around loosely, I would like to think a hardcore gamer is somebody that enjoys and tries to perfect any game they are playing regardless of the system it's on. I guarantee you if the Wii was just as powerful and was HD a big portion of games that get ported around anyway would have been on the wii.

I think people need to start using the term "fanboy gamer" in there own sense more often than none.


You make a good point, and maybe I shouldn't of used the term hardcore gamer. What I mean is someone who likes complex games. Games that need dual analog sticks and multiple buttons.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 05:50 PM

Vita is a failure for Sony. In Japan, where PSP was actually a success, it sold about 21k units last week. The 3DS? 411k.

Also that 21k is a high week over there for it. It struggles to break 10k normally.

Vita is dead. Not just in Japan but everywhere.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 04:37 PM

I like the vita, but it definitely deserves to be on the disappointment list for 2012. I don't think it's dead, and I don't think it's a shoe in to be on the 2013 disappointment list. The real issue is that developers need to focus on is making a great handheld games for the vita and stop trying to produce "console" games for the system. How much would it cost to make a metroid-Vania style game these days, can't be much. Those type of games has always been great on portables.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:26 PM

Vita is a failure for Sony. In Japan, where PSP was actually a success, it sold about 21k units last week. The 3DS? 411k.

Also that 21k is a high week over there for it. It struggles to break 10k normally.

Vita is dead. Not just in Japan but everywhere.


Actually, the 3DS isn't doing well either, outside if Japan (where gimmicks are always a big draw). Nintendo had to gut the price of the 3DS to get units moving, to the point where you can easily find the regular 3DS for $130, and the XL for $160. Even though they've moved a fair number of units worldwide, sales outside of Japan gave been weak, and with all the Nintendo-financed fire sales on 3DS systems, you can bet the company is making little to no profit on every system sold. They are hoping to make up for that with profits on games, but even flagship Nintendo games are being discounted to try to move them, something Nintendo just hasn't done for previous systems.

For proof, just watch Nintendo's fiscal 3rd quarter results when they come out later this month; with the poor Wii U launch and massive discounting of 3DS hardware and software, it won't be pretty.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 07:12 PM

Drop the price. Include a decent memory card and a voucher for a downloadable game. Hell, give a code that upon redemption you can choose from 3 different games. I think people want to buy the Vita and enjoy it, but the cost of entry is too high and Sony doesn't have the brand strength that Nintendo does.

I really love my Vita but I got a killer deal on Craigslist, which is the ONLY reason I have one. I can't imagine anyone paying upwards of $350 at retail after memory and gamds (Shipwreck doesn't count!).

I love the fully online connectivity. Group chat works great online. NFS proves that with the right budget and time Vita games can be amazing. PSN is well integrated and downloads are a great fit. Ugh. Its such a well made system but no handheld should cost this much.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 07:51 PM

Drop the price. Include a decent memory card and a voucher for a downloadable game. Hell, give a code that upon redemption you can choose from 3 different games. I think people want to buy the Vita and enjoy it, but the cost of entry is too high and Sony doesn't have the brand strength that Nintendo does.


Instead of including a game, include 3-6 months of Playstation Plus. Gives them some great games and will probably hook them gaining Sony another plus subscription.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:34 PM

Instead of including a game, include 3-6 months of Playstation Plus. Gives them some great games and will probably hook them gaining Sony another plus subscription.


A year of PS plus would be best. I'd also like it if they made some of these psn games playable on the vita. After burner climax, would be great to have. I'd also like to see some bundled sets of psp games be made available. 5 games for 10 dollars....(wishful thinking I know). The model I'm thinking of is that you pay a little more for the vita upfront but you should save a little bit on the games (via ps plus and other deals) on the back end once you have the system.
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