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#61 Knoell

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 09:52 PM

LOLZ...I know. You couldn't even ass yourself to go through the first 2 pages of the other thread the first time around, so why bother here, right?:rofl:

You don't even know the fucking gun laws in your own state and you want to get snippy because you just googled them and realized that I know them better than you do? You're too much man.:lol:


You expect me to answer your question when you offhandedly disregard mine? You people are incredible.

I discussed NY Gun law in the past as well. Go find it. ;)

Edit: Just for my own sick entertainment, I went back to the CT shooting thread (im assuming thats "the other thread") and read the first two pages. The furthest you go into explaining any type of legislation is agreeing with berzirk that all guns should be registered. So these two psychos would have had to register the guns that the background checks approved them on (still assuming they got them in MA legally, still a good chance they bought them illegally). Maybe when the Police find out that they plan on doing disturbing things, they will recall their permits and registrations and they will have no choice but to turn the guns in, effectively eliminating crime!

Edited by Knoell, 20 April 2013 - 10:11 PM.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 10:05 PM

I would support expanded background checks if places like Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, Bay Area, etc. became shall issue cities/counties. Like someone else said, it should be like getting a drivers license. Otherwise I don't see the point. There are a lot of worthy people, for example, like a black woman riding the bus at night in Los Angeles, who should have the freedom to carry a concealed firearm. I have heard that some do carry a small pistol illegally, and it's only illegal because she isn't considered "good cause" like Dianne Feinstein is.

Making guns harder to get in the rest of the country only strengthens the gun trade, similar to how the drug war distorts the incentives to run drugs. One of the major keys to all of this is prices.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 10:18 PM

You expect me to answer your question when you offhandedly disregard mine? You people are incredible.

I told you where to find the answer this time and many other times in the other big shooting thread.

And how do you mean "you people?" Me and Clak? Liberals? Leftists? CAGs? Or just people smarter than you? I suspect the latter.

I discussed NY Gun law in the past as well. Go find it. ;)

Of course you did and you misrepresented it then as well. This was your huge chance to shut me the Fuck up about it and prove me wrong. Too bad you decided to gamble on making a bald-faced lie hoping that everyone else was as ignorant as you are in regards to NY state gun laws.

Lemme tell you a little story, holmes. A little more than a year ago, there was a reasonable possibility that I'd be moving to Rochester. And one of the first things I looked up after researching car insurance were gun laws because I was planning on buying a few and the laws are more lax there in regards to the necessity of permits.

You should know better than to try and bullshit me, dude.

edit: You finally checked eh? I'm impressed! In that case, the answer is on page 5. And no, I don't give shit that page 5 isn't the first couple pages when you could've just as easily pulled up all my posts in that that thread.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 10:25 PM

I told you where to find the answer this time and many other times in the other big shooting thread.

And how do you mean "you people?" Me and Clak? Liberals? Leftists? CAGs? Or just people smarter than you? I suspect the latter.


Of course you did and you misrepresented it then as well. This was your huge chance to shut me the Fuck up about it and prove me wrong. Too bad you decided to gamble on making a bald-faced lie hoping that everyone else was as ignorant as you are in regards to NY state gun laws.

Lemme tell you a little story, holmes. A little more than a year ago, there was a reasonable possibility that I'd be moving to Rochester. And one of the first things I looked up after researching car insurance were gun laws because I was planning on buying a few and the laws are more lax there in regards to the necessity of permits.

You should know better than to try and bullshit me, dude.


Oh you found my NY state gun law discussion? What thread was that in?

And by "you people" on here, i mean every person that pretends they want to have a discussion but when someone engages them, they say "im not having this discussion". Yeah...those people.

But Seriously?

What was my "bald-faced" lie? :rofl:

Because I clearly cannot see it past your glaring "NY and MA gun laws aren't that restrictive" lie.

Here I will quote it for you.


Holy crap you have no idea what you are talking about. True

I live in NY and the wait times for permits are ridiculous (months). True

It isn't uberstrict to you because you are so far off base with what you think it should be. True

Tell me - what law would you have established in MA that would have prevented those two from obtaining a firearm? (Assuming they passed what you call "easy" background check) Unanswered question.


Edit: Mental health needs to be looked at. I agree with that.

I am not sure how requiring trigger locks and such would have prevented the brothers from accessing their own guns. Maybe in the CT shooting, however that is assuming that the kid wanting to steal his mothers guns, wouldn't have been able to get a hold of a key.

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#65 dohdough

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 10:42 PM

Why don't you just ask me if I stopped beating my wife?:roll:

But tell me more about needing a license to buy a Sig 556 Patrol or HK 416. I'm dying to hear about it.
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#66 Knoell

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 10:50 PM

Why don't you just ask me if I stopped beating my wife?:roll:

But tell me more about needing a license to buy a Sig 556 Patrol or HK 416. I'm dying to hear about it.


First tell me when I said you need a permit or license for those guns?

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 01:23 PM

you are such a child.



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#68 dohdough

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 02:20 PM

First tell me when I said you need a permit or license for those guns?

Yeah, you totally didn't make it seem like NY requires a permit to buy any gun period. NY gun laws are so fucking strict that they make you wait for a handgun permit that only requires a background check while I can go into a gunshop with a NY drivers license and buy any semi-auto rifle or shotgun off the rack without any permits! It's pure Tyranny! Gimme a fucking break.:roll:

When you want to have a reasonable discussion rather than a "gotcha" moment, I will be here for you buddy.

Reasonable discussion? Gotcha moment? Weren't you the one that asked me for a Magic Bullet Law to begin with?
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#69 Knoell

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 06:41 PM

Yeah, you totally didn't make it seem like NY requires a permit to buy any gun period. NY gun laws are so fucking strict that they make you wait for a handgun permit that only requires a background check while I can go into a gunshop with a NY drivers license and buy any semi-auto rifle or shotgun off the rack without any permits! It's pure Tyranny! Gimme a fucking break.:roll:


Reasonable discussion? Gotcha moment? Weren't you the one that asked me for a Magic Bullet Law to begin with?


I didn't make it seem like anything. I stated that the waits for permits were ridiculous. I assume people on here either know about gun law or can wikipedia whatever information they want. I'm not trying to mislead anyone.

Honestly though, isn't it a little telling that pistols are the ones that require permits? But the shotgun and rifles you are portraying as the worst things ever don't. Why do you think that is?

I was asking you because I want to know these amazing ideas you guys have. You criticized the current legislation in strict states as being weak so I want to know, what you think would be good legislation that would prevent such things? Maybe it's a trap question, but I just don't think there is good legislation for this.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 07:41 PM

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Seems about right.
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#71 irideabike

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 07:50 PM

Replace the NRA name with US Citizens and it looks right.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 07:55 PM

Replace the NRA name with US Citizens and it looks right.


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uhhh... if that had been the case... it would have passed... Nevermind, just... whatever...

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:34 PM

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uhhh... if that had been the case... it would have passed... Nevermind, just... whatever...


No it wouldn't.

#74 irideabike

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:38 PM

no it wouldn't.


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#75 dohdough

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 01:44 AM

I didn't make it seem like anything.

I stated that the waits for permits were ridiculous. I assume people on here either know about gun law or can wikipedia whatever information they want. I'm not trying to mislead anyone.

Bullshit. Being allowed to buy long guns without a permit is a pretty big fucking omission and excluding that is disingenuous as all hell.

Honestly though, isn't it a little telling that pistols are the ones that require permits? But the shotgun and rifles you are portraying as the worst things ever don't. Why do you think that is?

I dunno. Ask someone that actually made the argument that long guns are the worst thing ever because it wasn't me. Or why don't you ask your numerous ideological brethren that berated me for saying that shotguns, with the right load, would be far better for home defense for the average person than a semi-auto rifle.

I was asking you because I want to know these amazing ideas you guys have. You criticized the current legislation in strict states as being weak so I want to know, what you think would be good legislation that would prevent such things? Maybe it's a trap question, but I just don't think there is good legislation for this.

So you admit to asking me a loaded question about a magic bullet and still expect me to give you an answer that has nothing to do with actual gun legislation that you already found AND agreed with? Seriously...WTF, man.
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#76 Clak

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 01:53 AM

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uhhh... if that had been the case... it would have passed... Nevermind, just... whatever...

Even a simple political cartoon is over their heads.:lol::applause:
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#77 irideabike

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 02:00 AM

The NRA is controlling the votes and the American people are getting screwed. Absolutely hilarious cartoon, until you realize how full of shit it is and that the will of the people says no knee jerk gun bill bullshit.

But then again I don't expect anything else from Clak other than posting someone else's work or opinions on an issue.

#78 jlewski

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 02:20 AM

i was excited to see that this didnt pass

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 02:22 AM

Cool story

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 02:47 AM

the will of the people says no knee jerk gun bill bullshit.


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Posted 22 April 2013 - 03:19 AM

http://www.pewresear...m-pew-research/

Where are your supporting data?


Oh, I've got some too!

http://www.quinnipia...?ReleaseID=1877

American voters say 48 - 38 percent that the government could use the information from universal background checks to confiscate legally-owned guns, but voters still support universal gun background checks 91 - 8 percent, including 88 - 11 percent among voters in households with guns, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.


http://smartgunlaws....on-of-firearms/

An August 2012 poll found that 76% of respondents favor requiring gun owners to register their guns with local government.1

A January 2011 poll of registered voters found that 66% of respondents favor requiring every gun owner to register his or her firearms as part of a national gun registry.2

A poll conducted after the 2008 presidential election found that 68% of voters, including 60% of gun owners, support the registration of guns.3


Hell, even that liberal haven Fox news...

http://www.foxnews.c...w-gun-measures/

A new Fox News poll finds the most popular measure continues to be universal background checks: A large 85-percent majority of voters favors requiring checks on all gun buyers, including at gun shows and private sales. That includes most Democrats (90 percent), Republicans (83 percent) and independents (82 percent), as well as most of those living in a gun-owner household (81 percent).

There is also sizable public support for requiring mental health checks on gun buyers (72 percent) and background checks on ammunition purchases (70 percent).

Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz2R9tpV6hV


...but yeah, that political cartoon was reaaaallly full of shit...

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 03:22 AM

Bullshit. Being allowed to buy long guns without a permit is a pretty big fucking omission and excluding that is disingenuous as all hell.


I dunno. Ask someone that actually made the argument that long guns are the worst thing ever because it wasn't me. Or why don't you ask your numerous ideological brethren that berated me for saying that shotguns, with the right load, would be far better for home defense for the average person than a semi-auto rifle.


So you admit to asking me a loaded question about a magic bullet and still expect me to give you an answer that has nothing to do with actual gun legislation that you already found AND agreed with? Seriously...WTF, man.


If I were acting as ridiculous as you, I wouldn't be giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are making it sound like NY simply has permits for pistols, and nothing for longguns and that is the extent of the law. THAT is disingenious. However I have the reading comprehension and courtesy to know that's not what you mean.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 03:34 AM

So anyways I too was happy that this bill failed. I also hope that Harry Reid gets herpes.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 04:00 AM

If I were acting as ridiculous as you, I wouldn't be giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are making it sound like NY simply has permits for pistols, and nothing for longguns and that is the extent of the law. THAT is disingenious. However I have the reading comprehension and courtesy to know that's not what you mean.


Ok, smarty-pants. Tell me how it is in regards to permits...cause...you know...you were the one to bring up the issue regarding permits in the first place. Restrictions on accessories and limits on mags are separate issues than the ones you actually brought up, of which the only issue you had was the wait time.
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 04:38 AM

Ok, smarty-pants. Tell me how it is in regards to permits...cause...you know...you were the one to bring up the issue regarding permits in the first place. Restrictions on accessories and limits on mags are separate issues than the ones you actually brought up, of which the only issue you had was the wait time.



Says the guy who said (first):

I'm also tired of hearing about how strict NY is with guns too. With the exception of NYC, you can walk into any gunshop with a NY state drivers license and walk out with any number of long guns you can afford.


OH but don't worry guys, he wasn't talking about NY gun law in general, just the ones that make it look lenient!

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 05:22 AM

Is the NRA 9-24% of the entire US population?
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 05:50 AM

Says the guy who said (first):

OH but don't worry guys, he wasn't talking about NY gun law in general, just the ones that make it look lenient!

Is there any mention of permits in that quote?:rofl:

So I say that in most places in NY, you can buy any long gun off the rack and then you chime in to say how I don't know shit about NY gun laws and how you live in NY and how wait times for permits are "ridiculous."

Since, according to you, I don't know jack shit about NY gun laws, why don't you tell me what the Fuck those permits are for and why the Fuck you need to wait for them because I made no reference to permits in regards to NY and you were the one to bring it up first as if it had something to do with my original comment about NY to begin with!

Your entire argument is founded on how I don't know what I'm talking about, so prove it.
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#88 Knoell

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 08:38 AM

Is there any mention of permits in that quote?:rofl:

So I say that in most places in NY, you can buy any long gun off the rack and then you chime in to say how I don't know shit about NY gun laws and how you live in NY and how wait times for permits are "ridiculous."

Since, according to you, I don't know jack shit about NY gun laws, why don't you tell me what the Fuck those permits are for and why the Fuck you need to wait for them because I made no reference to permits in regards to NY and you were the one to bring it up first as if it had something to do with my original comment about NY to begin with!

Your entire argument is founded on how I don't know what I'm talking about, so prove it.


There wasn't any need of permits to be mentioned in your quote. You were going on and on about how lenient these states are, while cherry picking the very few things that are. Again though, I know better and can comprehend that you mean to say that you can still obtain firearms fairly easy. I disagree that the laws in either state are lenient though, but I am not going to go on a rant on how you are "misleading everyone" like you did on me.

Lol, but nice safeguard with the "in regards to NY". We will just omit that you were talking about wait times for licenses in MA.

Edit: and for the record, I didn't say you know nothing about NY gun laws, I said you don't know what you are talking about in reference to NY and MA being not having a very strict gun policy.

I love how those with no experience regarding MA gun laws derp about how "uber strict" they are when in most cases, even in MA, all you need to do is take a state-approved NRA safety course, fill out an application, get a background check to make sure you're not a felon/violent criminal, and wait 4-6 weeks to you get your license. Once you get your license, you can empty out a store if you had the money. Only 1 town and Boston require you to take a marksmanship test. The only that's "uber strict" is getting a CCW.


Now you say "But I never said wait times weren't bad in NY for pistol permits."

and I say "I know you didn't. I did."

Blah, blah, blah.

Now are we done purposefully misunderstanding each other and playing stupid? Or are you going to continue with the games?

Edited by Knoell, 22 April 2013 - 09:02 AM.


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Posted 25 April 2013 - 12:49 AM

http://www.pewresear...m-pew-research/

Where are your supporting data?

The American people seem to want these things, but don't care much when they don't get them. Also from Pew:

http://www.washingto...ill-in-numbers/

Gun control probably does not make a big impact on election day.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 01:20 AM

I'll repeat: where are your supporting data?
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