Wii graphics not that bad

[quote name='sfriedlander']i was looking at pics of red steel and the graphics look pretty good!!![/QUOTE]

It is not "bad", it just isn't as good as the PS3 or Xbox 360.
Graphics shouldn't be the deciding factor anyway.
In terms of graphics, I think the PSX is good enough.
 
With the rumors that the Wii would only be a little bit more powerful then the Xbox, the videos and screenshots I've seen look about what I guessed they would look like.
They aren't great, but they're good enough to get the job done.
 
idk....call me weird, but when I buy a next gen console I want the graphics to be better, not worse. So far everything on the Wii looks GC comparable or worse.
 
Everything shown for the Wii so far as been running on a Gamecube, I don't see why the graphics would be better :p.
 
The graphical prowess of any system is trivial in my opinion. If I get the same satisfaction out of playing a classic 2d game such as Advance Wars or Samurai Showdown as I do when I play Soul Calibur and Metroid Prime then what does it matter. if i was going for graphics I would just soup up a computer every few years.
 
I wouldn't say any Wii games look worse. I mean the Wii Sports stuff is super simplistic graphically, but it's done intensionally. Not that that makes a difference, but to me swinging a racket or bat is the same no matter how real it looks, so it doesn't bother me much.
 
 
[quote name='Fire']The graphical prowess of any system is trivial in my opinion. If I get the same satisfaction out of playing a classic 2d game such as Advance Wars or Samurai Showdown as I do when I play Soul Calibur and Metroid Prime then what does it matter. if i was going for graphics I would just soup up a computer every few years.[/QUOTE]

QTF!

But Whoknows makes a good point. Next gen has basically come to mean better graphics... and Nintendo has been a part of it. It really is hard to think of the Wii as a next gen console when you see the games. Hopefully, when you play them it'll be a different experience.
 
[quote name='Vinny']QTF!

But Whoknows makes a good point. Next gen has basically come to mean better graphics... and Nintendo has been a part of it. It really is hard to think of the Wii as a next gen console when you see the games. Hopefully, when you play them it'll be a different experience.[/QUOTE]
And that, my friend, is why playing is believing. I think you can pretty much guarantee graphics will be better, if developers care. GameCube x 1.5 (if that's what it actually is) generally equates to GameCube graphics x 1.5. But hell, 360 and PS3 graphics could be shit too if the developers don't bother to take advantage of the capabilities.

And that mindset of the "next generation" meaning "better graphics" is what is going to cause issues later on if Nintendo doesn't have some decent success with their little experiment. PS4 isn't gonna be the same graphical leap from PS3 as the PS3 was from the PS2.
 
[quote name='sfriedlander']
mario and zelda look good:
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2006/129/928518_20060510_screen001.jpg

http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2006/129/928518_20060510_screen002.jpg[/QUOTE]
You mean Mario and Link. Anyway, I think the graphics are decent. Mario Galaxies is by far the best looking Wii title so far. But who knows what they will do to some of these games before release. If you watch videos of Prime 3 the particle effects are a lot better than the Cube versions of Prime. But ever since the specs came out you knew the system was not going to be a powerhouse.
 
[quote name='wbc1228']
In terms of graphics, I think the PSX is good enough.[/QUOTE]

Hellllll noooooooooooo. Even Zelda OOT wouldn't have been as great as it was/is running on PSX graphics. Can't even imagine attempting something like RE4 on there.
 
I was talking about actual playable stuff from E3, they were all most likely running on gamecube dev kits. Super smash bros. does look good, but it wasn't playable so it may actually be running on something faster, we don't really know.
 
[quote name='sfriedlander']i was looking at pics of red steel and the graphics look pretty good!!![/QUOTE]
The pics looked pretty good to me, but when I saw it in person...wow. The enemies looks like 3D versions of the ones in Area 51, the arcade light gun game. Yeah, that wasn't pleasant to look at and was just a very odd thing to see if this game was going after a more realistic look. They seemed to pop up behind countertops when you come by or just out in ways that looked way too similar to light gun games of old. If your into that, that's cool, but this was supposed to be an FPS and even FPS's on the Gamecube didn't look like this. It may be a stylistic choice, but the game doesn't look nearly as good as it did in the screenshots in GI, which usually the opposite occurs.
 
[quote name='sfriedlander']
super smash:

mario and zelda look good:
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2006/129/928518_20060510_screen001.jpg

http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2006/129/928518_20060510_screen002.jpg

[/QUOTE]

Link looks about the same as he does in Twilight Princess, which is of course able to run on a GC. Also you really can't compare a Wii launch title to a GC (close to) launch title as GC graphics have obviosly improved in the last 5 years. But you can't judge the system's graphics by the launch games either. Though I will say that the best looking Wii games don't look nearly as good as the best looking 360 and PS3.
 
[quote name='whoknows']idk....call me weird, but when I buy a next gen console I want the graphics to be better, not worse. So far everything on the Wii looks GC comparable or worse.[/QUOTE]

That's because you're a shallow fanboy who would drop trow at flick of Kutaragi's wrist.

Silly bitch.
 
I really hope the day comes where games are so fucking ultra realistic that everyone shuts the fuck up about graphics and plays a game based on if its good or not.
 
people forget to realize we are so far away from anyting realistic with amazing AI. Look at the movie industry a character like Aslan from Lion Witch and the Wardrobe, they spent millions on that character alone and crazy computers working on him and he still didnt look like a real lion. It was really good but still no dice. Until the movie industry special effects are dead on in situations like that dont expect anything near that in the video game industry
 
dude, it's not in HD, thus it looks like pong. Nintendo should really cater more to the richest half percent of the world and those in debt by making their console only run in HD.
 
[quote name='Greetard']That's because you're a shallow fanboy who would drop trow at flick of Kutaragi's wrist.

Silly bitch.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, but I'm not paying more than $200 for outdated hardware, thats just silly.

And yes, I do like the Playstation more because well, the exclusive games it has and the fact that

Sony has actual 3rd party support
 
[quote name='whoknows']Sorry, but I'm not paying more than $200 for outdated hardware, thats just silly.

And yes, I do like the Playstation more because well, the exclusive games it has and the fact that

Sony has actual 3rd party support
[/QUOTE]

Right. Nintendo barely has any 3rd party support at all. Seriously...

Only Capcom, SNK, EA, Square Enix, Ubisoft, Activision, Bandai Namco, Atlus, Koei, Eidos, Sega, LucasArts, Midway, Konami, Camelot, THQ, and a bunch of others I can't name off the top of my head.

I can totally see where you're coming from. Your arguments aren't biased and uninformed at all. You're a frigin' journalistic prodigy.

Yet again- silly bitch.
 
[quote name='Greetard']Right. Nintendo barely has any 3rd party support at all. Seriously...

Only Capcom, SNK, EA, Square Enix, Ubisoft, Activision, Bandai Namco, Atlus, Koei, Eidos, Sega, LucasArts, Midway, Konami, Camelot, THQ, and a bunch of others I can't name off the top of my head.

I can totally see where you're coming from. Your arguments aren't biased and uninformed at all. You're a frigin' journalistic prodigy.

Yet again- silly bitch.[/QUOTE]
That all really showed with the Gamecube, all those 3rd party games really helped sell those systems :roll:

As for the Wii, they look to be getting even less support. Companies can no longer just port a game from the PS3/360 because of the controller, and how outdated the Wii hardware is even before it's released.
 
[quote name='whoknows']That all really showed with the Gamecube, all those 3rd party games really helped sell those systems :roll:

As for the Wii, they look to be getting even less support. Companies can no longer just port a game from the PS3/360 because of the controller, and how outdated the Wii hardware is even before it's released.[/QUOTE]

I am curious why just come on Wii threads to hate, the Gamecube was profitable if not from launch then at the most within the first year. So Nintendo did fine by the Cube, could have sold more, but you could say that about everything. I am sorry that the Cube didnt 1000000000000s of crappy games that litters used games store shelves. I am curious were you found that the Wii is getting less support, being that E3 just passed and they showed a decent amount of 3rd party support for a SYSTEM THAT IS NOT EVEN OUT YET.


Go start saving pennies for your ps3 and stop trolling.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']I am curious why just come on Wii threads to hate, the Gamecube was profitable if not from launch then at the most within the first year. So Nintendo did fine by the Cube, could have sold more, but you could say that about everything. I am sorry that the Cube didnt 1000000000000s of crappy games that litters used games store shelves. I am curious were you found that the Wii is getting less support, being that E3 just passed and they showed a decent amount of 3rd party support for a SYSTEM THAT IS NOT EVEN OUT YET.


Go start saving pennies for your ps3 and stop trolling.[/QUOTE]
How am I "hating" I am stating my opinion which was allowed last I checked. I am not coming and saying that the controller is stupid or anything even like that. I'm sorry I'm not drooling all over Nintendo though, I just don't find the Wii that impressive as of yet. The Gamecube was hurt from not having many 3rd party exclusive titles and you can't deny it.

What I understand from you though is that if I'm not praising Nintendo and acting like the Wii is the second coming of Jesus, I'm "hating", but all the people going into the Sony and Microsoft boards insulting them (there are tons of topics insulting Sony on the PS3's price and how stupid blu-ray is, etc) that is ok?

I'll state my opinion in any thread I want thank you very much, fyi I do NOT need your permission.
 
[quote name='whoknows']idk....call me weird, but when I buy a next gen console I want the graphics to be better, not worse. So far everything on the Wii looks GC comparable or worse.[/QUOTE]

How is this not trolling, ya fuckin' dolt?

You can't seem to wrap your head around the fact that most people buying the Wii don't care about Teh Ub0r Gr4fix. They want something new and fresh...yada, yada, yada. The argument is old and boring, and I don't want to get into it again.

Just to put this quibble to rest:
While you prance around the board and toot Sony's horn (like the good little meathead that you're trained to be), Nintendo will continue to gain support and popularity. The Wii's graphics are almost guaranteed to get better (again- not that it matters in the first place), and the controller will offer shit that Sony's "Duel Shock-less" will never be able duplicate (unless, that is, they have another spare 6 days). The sooner you start to accept this, the sooner your opinions might actually start to mean something. Until then, everything you say regarding the console war is trash.
 
200 dollars is going to buy you a lot more than the 360 and ps3 can period. people are connecting the price point directly to the graphical power of the wii. you are wrong to assume this. Nintendo is investing in other technologies (ie the frickin controller!!!!!) like ps3 has with the cell.

although this is pure speculation...i believe that Nintendo will pack in 2 wii motes in addition to the nunchuck and i hope the classic controller (how else are we suppose to play Smash Bros Brawl?????...Nintendo cant depend on people owning GC controllers)
 
[quote name='Greetard']How is this not trolling, ya fuckin' dolt?

You can't seem to wrap your head around the fact that most people buying the Wii don't care about Teh Ub0r Gr4fix. They want something new and fresh...yada, yada, yada. The argument is old and boring, and I don't want to get into it again.

Just to put this quibble to rest:
While you prance around the board and toot Sony's horn (like the good little meathead that you're trained to be), Nintendo will continue to gain support and popularity. The Wii's graphics are almost guaranteed to get better (again- not that it matters in the first place), and the controller will offer shit that Sony's "Duel Shock-less" will never be able duplicate (unless, that is, they have another spare 6 days). The sooner you start to accept this, the sooner your opinions might actually start to mean something. Until then, everything you say regarding the console war is trash.[/QUOTE]
How is it trolling? I was stating a fact. When I buy a next gen console it is supposed to be better than last gen, not worse...unless of course you enjoy buying outdated hardware. I was stating a fact, what I said about graphics is true. I didn't say they wouldnt change, but they will not be next gen for awhile. I also never said that graphics mean everything.

Its funny you say that I "prance around the board and toot Sony's horn" when you are doing the EXACT same thing for Nintendo, no my mistake, even worse. I am not saying Nintendo is stupid or "pwned" by Sony/Microsoft, I am just stating FACT that the Wii hardware is indeed outdated. The true idiots show when they get offended by comments that end up not praising their preferred company but show some fault in it.
 
I don't see how it's "outdated". I don't remember seeing a controller interface similar to this one ever before. If anything, the PS3 is outdated, sans graphical capabilities(which shouldn't matter, GCN graphics are good enough imo). I mean, it's using tilt technology from 10 years ago and the same controller that we've been playing with for a over a decade now. At least Microsoft has been doing new and better things with the 360.
 
First off, it's too early to say which system has the best graphics. I know everyone claims that Xbox has the best graphics, but sometimes it's in the eye of the beholder. The Cube and the PS2 has put out amazing games with good graphics, so I'm not judging yet.

However, that being said, I think every game needs that strong graphical game at launch. It's always nice to have something to pop in to show your new system off with. It also helps to sell the system with an in store display. Even if a game is great, you can't experience great gameplay in 5 minutes, you can experience great graphics in 5 minutes.

One thing to note though, there needs to always be a reason to go up to the next generation. It might not be graphics, but you have to be able to make games on the new systems that couldn't be made on the old ones. I dont' want to pay $300 for a system that can play games my old systems could handle. If it's not graphics, you better make a jump in AI, complexity, scope of game. I want to play something that I couldn't play otherwise.

This happens with all technology. This is why Blue-Ray and the other format will struggle to get marketshare. DVD's were a big jump from VHS. It also allowed many things that VHS couldn't (no rewinding, all the extras). This is why it caught on with the masses. Selling a slight jump that most people won't see anyway isn't going to sell just because its new.
 
[quote name='Greetard']Right. Nintendo barely has any 3rd party support at all. Seriously...

Only Capcom, SNK, EA, Square Enix, Ubisoft, Activision, Bandai Namco, Atlus, Koei, Eidos, Sega, LucasArts, Midway, Konami, Camelot, THQ, and a bunch of others I can't name off the top of my head. [/QUOTE]
I am no way a fanboy at all but I do really like Nintendo. But you argument about them having third party support by just naming them is not a good one. When Gamcube was first announced they had major names all on board same went for the N64. But as time went on, and sales werent as good as the competitors the third party support dropped and or just died out completly for both systems. If Wii sells, it will have great third party support. It doesnt matter if they cant port the games because it is cheaper for them to make them for Wii. But if the system does not sell you will see those companies drop there support.
 
[quote name='crazytalkx']Hellllll noooooooooooo. Even Zelda OOT wouldn't have been as great as it was/is running on PSX graphics. Can't even imagine attempting something like RE4 on there.[/QUOTE]

well.. you know.. for 2D PSx had amazing graphics.. settling for PSX/64 graphics is bad.. settling for current gen/ 360 graphics maybe.. but its hitting a wall in terms of people who have HD sets and people who do not.. for people who do not.. playing PSX 3d is an eyesore.. on the other hand playing SMW is just fine.. so its all about preference.. i like Wii graphics they look fine to me and not eyesoreish.
 
Personally, I think Metroid and Zelda are about as good looking as anything else Ive seen except for the one PC game from the makers of Farcry.
 
[quote name='whoknows']How am I "hating" I am stating my opinion which was allowed last I checked. I am not coming and saying that the controller is stupid or anything even like that. I'm sorry I'm not drooling all over Nintendo though, I just don't find the Wii that impressive as of yet. The Gamecube was hurt from not having many 3rd party exclusive titles and you can't deny it.

What I understand from you though is that if I'm not praising Nintendo and acting like the Wii is the second coming of Jesus, I'm "hating", but all the people going into the Sony and Microsoft boards insulting them (there are tons of topics insulting Sony on the PS3's price and how stupid blu-ray is, etc) that is ok?

I'll state my opinion in any thread I want thank you very much, fyi I do NOT need your permission.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you bro. The Wii looks interesting but im not fully impressed yet, i wont make up my mind until i actually get a chance to try it out. But as far as next generation stuff goes, imo i feel it needs to be a complete package: I want the games to be better, i want better graphics, better control, more option, smooth animations, less glitches and more power. Like i said i want it to be a packaged deal, if im dropping that much scratch on something is better be hands down better in every way possible than the previous generation.

I like the way games are with a standard controller, but i also enjoy games on my ds with the touch screen and light gun games but when it comes down too it i often get tired of playing those games, theres just not enough there for me not to get bored with it. I also have to be in a specific mood to play games like that. Trauma Center is a fantastic game but if im not in the mood to sit there using the stylus the entire time im playing then im not going to play it and i think thats how i feel about the Wii right now. Nothing i saw regarding the Wii really excited me except for Mario and thats a given. I'm going to get Zelda on the GC even because i want to play Zeld ain that way and not using the Wii. I'm just not convinced yet and thats not a knock against nintendo either so all the rabid fan boys can chill out.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']The bad guys in Red Steel looked like paper cut outs. I don't think those of us that are sold on the system are because of the graphics.[/quote]

That's the thing that I really hope the most that they fix. Often the enemies looked so separated from the backgrounds, they looked flat, they looked like they were straight out of those mid-90s CD-ROM live-action videogames.
 
[quote name='Follandboy']Personally, I think Metroid and Zelda are about as good looking as anything else Ive seen except for the one PC game from the makers of Farcry.[/QUOTE]

Wait, wait, wait... are you talking graphically?
 
[quote name='whoknows']How is it trolling? I was stating a fact. When I buy a next gen console it is supposed to be better than last gen, not worse...unless of course you enjoy buying outdated hardware. I was stating a fact, what I said about graphics is true. I didn't say they wouldnt change, but they will not be next gen for awhile. I also never said that graphics mean everything.

Its funny you say that I "prance around the board and toot Sony's horn" when you are doing the EXACT same thing for Nintendo, no my mistake, even worse. I am not saying Nintendo is stupid or "pwned" by Sony/Microsoft, I am just stating FACT that the Wii hardware is indeed outdated. The true idiots show when they get offended by comments that end up not praising their preferred company but show some fault in it.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='whoknows']idk....call me weird, but when I buy a next gen console I want the graphics to be better, not worse. So far everything on the Wii looks GC comparable or worse.[/QUOTE]

That one word alone speaks volumes.

Zelda: TP did not look worse. Mario Galaxy did not look worse. Metroid, Excite Truck, and Wii Sports did not look worse. Bomberman did not look worse. Project Hammer and Disaster did not look worse. Red Steel might have not looked that great, but it most certainly was not worse.

You didn't state a fact at all. You gave your extremely biased opinion. You say that you think graphics don't mean everything, yet they are the foundation of the "outdated hardware" argument. You contradicted yourself within two sentances. Congratulations.
 
[quote name='sfriedlander']i was looking at pics of red steel and the graphics look pretty good!!![/QUOTE]
haha, thanks for making a topic.
 
My buddy is bragging to everybody that Red Steel looks better than any game on the 360, which embarrasses the Hell out of me and has stopped me from going into game stores while I'm with him. Don't get me wrong, I think it looks amazing, but better than 360?

Maybe.
 
The Wii doesn't have much better graphics than the previous gen. That's what 360 is for. 360 for fancy graphics and online, Wii for Nintendo goodness and that sweet, sweet wiimote. It's all you need.

PSwhat?
 
[quote name='TimPV3']My buddy is bragging to everybody that Red Steel looks better than any game on the 360, which embarrasses the Hell out of me and has stopped me from going into game stores while I'm with him. Don't get me wrong, I think it looks amazing, but better than 360?

Maybe.[/QUOTE]

Have you guys actually seen this game in motion or are you just going by those Game Informer pics? Have him watch some videos of this game and that should shut him up pretty quickly. At this point, Red Steel has the graphics of a mediocre looking original Xbox game.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']the Gamecube was profitable if not from launch then at the most within the first year. [/QUOTE]

That's nice and all, but I buy a system for fun games, not for how much profit it's making the company.
 
If you care about games, you better care about how well the company behind the platform is doing.

If the platform dies you wont be having fun on it at all.
 
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