4 Teens Could Spend 120 Years in Prison for Violent Rape/Sodomy

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/04/florida.sexual.assault/index.html

Four teenage boys in Tampa, Florida, were charged as adults Wednesday on allegations of sexually assaulting a 13-year-old boy. Charged with four counts each of sexual battery were Randall John Moye, 14; Raymond A. Price-Murray, 14; Lee Louis Myers, 14; and Diamante J. Roberts, 15. CNN is naming the defendants because they were charged as adults.

Hillsborough County prosecutors allege the four boys raped the 13-year-old victim multiple times over two months with a broomstick and hockey stick.
At a bond and arraignment hearing, the defendants appeared before Hillsborough County Judge Wayne Timmerman to hear the counts against them read in court.

Prosecutor Kimberly Hindman described to the court how two defendants held down the victim while the other two defendants violently sodomized him with the sticks. "The victim screamed and cried, telling them to stop," Hindman said.
The prosecutor said the victim's screams could be heard outside the boys' locker room at Walker Middle School, in southern Tampa, where the allegedly assaults took place.

Multiple people witnessed the attacks, but no one reported the incidents, including the victim, Hindman said.

The school began an investigation after a fight that began on the football field and continued until a coach broke it up in the locker room, said the prosecutor. During the fight, the victim said, "I'm tired of them getting on me," Hindman said.

When school officials questioned the defendants, all four admitted in a written statement sexually assaulting the victim.

The defendants "all implicated themselves in a sexual-battery incident," Hindman said.

The victim did not acknowledge the attacks until questioned. School officials contacted authorities, who initially charged the four as minors with sexual assault and false imprisonment.

Several students witnessed the incidents over the two months, said the prosecutor, who added that she could not understand why no one reported the attacks.

The victim made a statement in court, telling the judge how his father was angry and his mother couldn't stop crying when they heard about the attacks.

Defense attorneys told the judge their clients were good students and had never been in trouble before. Attorney Tim Taylor, representing Randall Moye, said his client's family is among the finest in the community.

Taylor presented six character witnesses, including his client's mother, Jeanne Myers, who said her son wants to attend college. The prosecutor asked her about her son's written statement about the attacks. Myers said her son described clowning around in the locker room with a hockey stick. She added that he told her about holding down the victim for a few seconds.

The victim finished the academic year at home instead of returning to school, authorities said.

The judge set bond for each defendant at $15,000, with ankle monitors for all but one, who has left the area. The four boys were taken into custody in court and booked into the adult jail. The judge warned the four to have no contact with one another, the victim or any witnesses in the case.

The defendants could spend up to 120 years in prison if convicted on all four counts.

I'm not sure what kind of debate is going to spawn from this, but wow, just wow.

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Life in prison for shoving a stick up a kids ass seems like overkill. I mean that's totally messed up but kids are stupid, I'd say 5-10 and possibly a psych evaluation. You have to be pretty messed up to do that for 2 months constantly.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']14-year olds.

Self-implication.

Still tried as adults.

What a wonderful criminal justice system we have.[/QUOTE]

When I was 14, I knew what I was doing. It's not like these guys are 5.
 
That's pretty messed up.
I mean, yeah, when I was 13, 14 I was taking tennis rackets up the poop shoot..but it's consent god damnit.

Though, as fucked up as it is..120 years? :lol: Def need to be put away somewhere..maybe 20 years or something.
 
Well, of course you could put a condom on the broomstick for protection against splinters or anything else...since, um, they most likely did not...yeah, this kid probably poops and doesn't even know it. :cry:
 
[quote name='SpeedyG']Sweet let them be the one's getting things jammed in their anal cavities for a bit[/QUOTE]


They should get a free copy of the new Mario and Luigi Bowsers inside story, as a parting gift to prison.
 
Man, what a bunch of messed up little bastards. I think that combined they'll serve 120 years, not 120 years each. So 30 years a piece sounds good to me.

Also, I don't think they should take it easy on them because they're 14. When you're 14 you know the difference between right and wrong, and you definitely know you can't go around sodomizing people against their will. 14 year olds are allowed to make mistakes and mess up, but this is beyond that.
 
Let the punishment fit the crime, bring on nasty torture devices, make the guilty scream!

That would be better then prison...
 
They are probably charging them as adults because if they charged them as minors then the max they can put them away for is 6 years.

IMO they desrve more than that, hence why they are being charged as adults. One time incident, maybe minor. But this went on for 2 months,
 
Scene: A father in his mid forties is sitting on a porch steps with his son in his early teens. The boy is visibly upset.

Father: Hey, Sport, what the problem?

Son: Nuthin'.

Father: Really? I mean, your pants have been covered in blood. Every time you walk past, it sounds like a standing ovation. You watch that scene in Pulp Fiction with the rednecks and the black guy over and over again. Are you sure?

Son: I'm sure.

Father: OK. Would you like a coke?





EDIT: 6-7 years would be adequate. They're minors, not adults. Now, about suing the school ...
 
I would say keep them out of society, not necessarily in prison the entire time, for 10 years. They will be 25 when they get out. This gives them plenty of time to finish school(most of which will be done in custody) and still have a family and future.

But the 120 years thing in the headline is just meant to be sensational. No judge will give them that.
 
And they wonder why shit like Columbine happens (not to condone that sort of actvity at all).

They said several people saw this and did nothing. Apathy is a big problem with bullying of any kind. This just happens to be more heinous.

I hate to say it, but sometimes I think the only way some of these stupid ass people that do stuff like this will learn is the "eye for an eye" method. Of course if they knew the "golden rule" it wouldn't come to that.

I have no problem with whatever time these kids get. The only reason it stopped was because the victim finally had the courage to speak up, not because the perpetrators came to the realization that a human being shouldn't be treated like that.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I hate to say it, but sometimes I think the only way some of these stupid ass people that do stuff like this will learn is the "eye for an eye" method.[/QUOTE]

Based on what evidence?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Based on what evidence?[/QUOTE]
I believe the institution of a death penalty reduces the rate of premeditated murder.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']murder rates have increased since Gregg v Georgia.[/QUOTE]
Is that premeditated murder rates? I can't find any statistics on premeditated murder rates.
But according to Biology and Human Behavior - The Neurological Origins of Individuality Capital punishment has been shown to decrease premeditated murder while doing nothing to impulsive murder.
 
[quote name='DarkSageRK']When I was 14, I knew what I was doing. It's not like these guys are 5.[/QUOTE]
then should the age of consent be 14? or 13, like one of the kids? should a 13 year old girl be able to decide whether or not she wants to sleep with a 30 year old man? after all, when you were 14 you knew what you were doing, and girls develop faster than boys, so. . .

they're kids dude.. they're still developing.. they need punishment but not the rest of their life in prison.

[quote name='HowStern']I would say keep them out of society, not necessarily in prison the entire time, for 10 years. They will be 25 when they get out. This gives them plenty of time to finish school(most of which will be done in custody) and still have a family and future.[/QUOTE]
that's sorta the idea behind juvy, a detention center for juveniles, as the kids' mistakes don't warrant prison and exposure to prisonwould likely turn them to life-long criminals, the big problem there is juvy's not much better and would likely do the same thing.
 
[quote name='Koggit']then should the age of consent be 14? or 13, like one of the kids? should a 13 year old girl be able to decide whether or not she wants to sleep with a 30 year old man? after all, when you were 14 you knew what you were doing, and girls develop faster than boys, so. . .

they're kids dude.. they're still developing.. they need punishment but not the rest of their life in prison.


that's sorta the idea behind juvy, a detention center for juveniles, as the kids' mistakes don't warrant prison and exposure to prisonwould likely turn them to life-long criminals, the big problem there is juvy's not much better and would likely do the same thing.[/QUOTE]
They tortured and sexually abused another boy several times... The least they deserve is life in prison
 
Defense attorneys told the judge their clients were good students and had never been in trouble before. Attorney Tim Taylor, representing Randall Moye, said his client's family is among the finest in the community.

So how the fuck do you go from never having been in trouble, to raping somebody up the ass with a stick? Something doesn't smell right, and it isn't the stick.
 
[quote name='SpeedyG']They tortured and sexually abused another boy several times... The least they deserve is life in prison[/QUOTE]
they are children
 
[quote name='Koggit']then should the age of consent be 14? or 13, like one of the kids? should a 13 year old girl be able to decide whether or not she wants to sleep with a 30 year old man? after all, when you were 14 you knew what you were doing, and girls develop faster than boys, so. . .

they're kids dude.. they're still developing.. they need punishment but not the rest of their life in prison.


that's sorta the idea behind juvy, a detention center for juveniles, as the kids' mistakes don't warrant prison and exposure to prisonwould likely turn them to life-long criminals, the big problem there is juvy's not much better and would likely do the same thing.[/QUOTE]


Turn them into criminals? After a 2 month rape spree they are criminals. It doesn't get much worse than that.

Juvenile hall is for short term. The average Juvy sentence is 2 weeks.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Based on what evidence?[/QUOTE]

Well, experiencing something brings greater understanding of that act, regardless if it is good or bad. For example, that is why people are getting on Hannity for not doing the waterboarding. Perhaps if he had, he'd truly understand the act and what it can do to a person.

That being said, I don't think it is a good (or legal) idea to perpetrate a criminal act on someone just so they can understand. All I am saying is some people are so ridiculously stupid or mentally challenged that being on the receiving end of their act is the only way they can truly understand the pain they inflicted. I don't mean it as a means of punishment for a crime.
 
[quote name='HowStern'] Turn them into criminals? After a 2 month rape spree they are criminals. It doesn't get much worse than that.

Juvenile hall is for short term. The average Juvy sentence is 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]
do you honestly believe these kids understand rape? do you honestly think they thought of it much differently than just beating the kid up? even a large portion of adults don't understand the implications of rape, i have a very hard time accepting even the possibility that these kids fully understand what they've done, and to send them to prison for it would be an abomination.

my step bro was in juvy for 6 mo and when we went visit him it was terrible, just like a prison
 
[quote name='Koggit']do you honestly believe these kids understand rape? do you honestly think they thought of it much differently than just beating the kid up? [/QUOTE]

yes and yes.

that being said 120 years is over the top, but they need to be locked away for a good amount of time.
 
do you fully understand rape?

i can honestly say i didn't really get why rape was worse than assault/torture until i was in my late teens.. not that i'd given a lot of thought, but i def think it's not something children can understand. that's the whole reason we have statutory rape laws. children do not possess the capacity to understand sexual acts.
 
[quote name='Koggit']they are children[/QUOTE]

This. What they did was wrong, and I'm sure if I was the parents of the kid I would want the same thing, but seriously, if you want to charge minors as adults, shouldn't we just change the age limit for minors then? What the hell is the age limit for if you can just bypass it?
 
[quote name='Koggit']then should the age of consent be 14? or 13, like one of the kids? should a 13 year old girl be able to decide whether or not she wants to sleep with a 30 year old man? after all, when you were 14 you knew what you were doing, and girls develop faster than boys, so. . .
[/QUOTE]

This isn't really relevant to the topic, but w/e.

I think puberty is a good enough time for consent. It's better than the arbitrary "Oh, 18/17/16 is good enough." You know what? I checked on the day before/after each my birthdays and nothing was different. I didn't suddenly gain a magical amount of wisdom from the last time the Earth rotated on its axis.

Puberty is at least a sensible benchmark, and you know what? It's a natural one. When one is able to have children, one is obviously ready for sex. Equate it to whatever you want, but if it's natural it must be there for a reason, right? Don't bitch at me. Blame your god for not thinking like you do.
 
Juvy isn't that bad. And I would expect a 14 year old to understand.

7 to 10 each. Their lives will be far from over once they leave prison at 21-24 years of age, and coming from the "finest" (richest) families in town, I expect they'll have ample opportunity to do whatever they want afterwards.


Above poster is probably in between puberty and age of consent from the way he talks.
 
[quote name='Koggit']do you honestly believe these kids understand rape? do you honestly think they thought of it much differently than just beating the kid up? even a large portion of adults don't understand the implications of rape, i have a very hard time accepting even the possibility that these kids fully understand what they've done, and to send them to prison for it would be an abomination.

my step bro was in juvy for 6 mo and when we went visit him it was terrible, just like a prison[/QUOTE]


I don't think they understand what they did at all. Which is exactly why they need to be put away for a good amount of time. To make damn sure they adequately realize the full seriousness of the crime they committed before they are free to roam society again.

6 months is one of the lenghiest juvy stays most people get. You usually go for a month at max and then are transferred to a home for 6-12 months. I grew up in a shitty area I know all about it.

They should not be completely free of the justice system until they are 21+. This would give time for puberty and adolescence to run it's course. I would say prison until 18, halfway house til 21, probation until 25.

Your idea of prison turning them into hardened criminals is ludicrous. They already committed a heinous crime. It doesn't get much "harder." That argument belongs to kids going to jail for dealing pot or stealing. Not raping someone for 2 months straight.
 
Regardless of age, i can't believe these kids didn't know that having a stick shoved up your ass could hurt. It doesn't take much thought to figure it out.
 
[quote name='Koggit']do you honestly believe these kids understand rape? do you honestly think they thought of it much differently than just beating the kid up? even a large portion of adults don't understand the implications of rape, i have a very hard time accepting even the possibility that these kids fully understand what they've done, and to send them to prison for it would be an abomination.

my step bro was in juvy for 6 mo and when we went visit him it was terrible, just like a prison[/QUOTE]

They understood what was happening when they shoved a hockey stick in that boy's anus for two months while he cried out for them to stop.

What did your step-brother do to be in juvenile detention?
 
[quote name='Koggit']uhg, the internet is stupid, i quit, i quit the internet[/QUOTE]
The Internet wishes it knew how to quit you.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK'](1) They understood what was happening when they shoved a hockey stick in that boy's anus for two months while he cried out for them to stop.

(2) What did your step-brother do to be in juvenile detention?[/QUOTE]

1) the whole argument is absolutely stupid on two levels. if you believe these kids should be tried as adults then you mustn't believe the law should discriminate by age -- or for that matter, by sanity, mental retardation, etc. their lack of capacity for understanding their action (necessary for crime) is indisputable for two reasons.

a) it is impossible for kids to understand sexual assault. if you disagree, then you don't think statutory should be a crime, since a child's lack of understanding is the whole basis of statutory rape. i really doubt many, if anyone, thinks kids should be allowed to decide whether or not they're ready for sex. the exact same reasoning applies here.

b) even if it they understood the severity, the whole reason kids are tried as kids and adults are tried as adults is because children mostly will not and are not expected to, as HowStern put it, "realize the full seriousness of the crime" -- and even if they did, their frontal lobes are woefully underdeveloped and thereby cannot understand the consequences of their actions (not just punishment -- they cannot understand the effect of what they're doing).


2) it was sort of a string of actions, fights / theft / vandalism / etc. the straw that finally broke something or other was stealing my dad's credit card and ordering a bunch of car stereo stuff.
 
I can say with a fair amount of certainly, that at that age, if i were doing that to someone and they were crying out in pain, i'd probably realize i was hurting them.

I think people underestimate some of these kids, they aren't all naive little innocents.
 
if you know that you're doing something you should be criminally responsible for it? that's the only requirement?

okay... guess all kids can be tried as adults now.
 
Koggit. How about the fact they're doing adult activities? This isn't stealing candy from the store. This is some deep, dark activities they're doing that typically only adults engage in (though I'm sure there's more cases than just these teens). I could gather 100 14 year olds who could tell you rape is wrong, and I bet I'll be damn close to having an unanimous agreement of "WTF-- dude!"
 
Koggit, you have a very skewed view of the justice system. I don't know where you got the idea that a punishment should vary depending on whether or not the perpetrator knew what they were doing was wrong.

Punishments are meant to teach people what they did was wrong. Before you get all riled up chill out and I'll give you a perfect example.

My daughter is 3. She knows she isn't supposed to jump on the furniture. My wife and I have told her a thousand times. But when she gets all full of energy it isn't long before she becomes spider-man and the couch and chair are buildings just like every kid. She's only 3 so she genuinely gets caught up in the moment and forgets what she is doing is wrong and doesn't understand the full seriousness of it that she could get get hurt. So should my wife and I let her get away with it?
No. We give her a time out she gets upset, gets over it, and it helps teach her and gives her time to realize and remember what she did was wrong so she isn't as likely to do it again.
 
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