Nintendo pulling a SEGA

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Edit: Aware that title and some things said may attract trolls, generate feelings of WTF, and statements of GTFO. But that has largely been dealt with, so lets move on. It's just a discussion, lets all try to keep it civil.

Edit 2: MANY MANY people have made many good points, and the original post is not indicative of all of them. Really, this thread is hypothetical and mostly discussing nintendos problems, future, what would happen if it got into financial trouble, and what could cause it. If you think thats absurd, you dont want to hear or think about it: then don't post in it or read it. If like me, you find the notion interesting, then discuss.

Of course tons of Wii's and DS's are selling, so financially and strategically there is little basis to say this; but I think Nintendo could still, within a few generations, be out of the home console business. If not out of it, change there position in it so much that it barely even feels like a home console anymore. They seem to focusing on innovation/gimmicks and constantly reinventing consoles. Heres a recent article, seeming to state that nintendo is again banking on a different approach to home consoles (http://kotaku.com/5630906/nintendos-next-console-will-leave-your-mouth-open). What that article is hinting at, I don't know, but they are starting to rev up the hype machine. If they really wanted to drop jaws, a partnership would do it. Another possibility is that they just stick to handhelds, and keep their IP games solely on them. With their assertion that apple is now the major competitor, and not the other two console makers, is this indicative of a change to focusing on handhelds?

Also, when I heard nintendo starting to hype their next system. Saying it will be jaw dropping. I had a thought about what their next thing could be. Return of the Power Glove! Not so much a glove, but some kind of finger sensors, that could register "button presses" just by flicking a finger. Combine that with a kinect like motion system, and there you have "buttons" and controller-less body tracking. Still have the joystick problem though. I don't know about the viability of this tech, and the "glove" or finger sensors would have to fit everyone...but its one of the few ideas i've had about what the next innovation/gimmick might be.

Not prediciting it will happen anytime soon, but when thinking about what Nintendo would do if faced with the inability to continue in consoles, heres what I thought. My predicition is that they team with SONY (Possibly microsoft, though this is less likely to me) and develop exclusively for them. I think that would be more likely to happen than them going 3rd party developer like SEGA.

Really, starting with N64, gamecube, and now wii; Nintendo has had the "odd" console out. Selling systems almost entirely with first party titles, and getting much less quality and mainstream 3rd party titles. Nintendo hit gold with the Wii, but it still seems like they got lucky with non-gamers who may not be there again. Even with their success, as a gamer, i view them as struggling to compete and hang on when you actually look at their tech, system features, game releases, and stated business plan.

Think they will be able to sell a system with 5 year old graphics tech again? There is a good possibility nintendo will again try to, and that it may not work out as well this time. I've owned every Nintendo system since the NES, but even with their current financial success, I view the SNES as their pinnacle.
 
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This seems to be speculated every generation with Nintendo, yet it never happens. With the immense success of the Wii, I wouldn't expect them to get out of the hardware business anytime soon. It's not like their last two consoles were flops on Sega levels, either.
 
if buy odd system out you mean the top selling portable and home console...

go back to gamefaqs or post this on your myspace.
 
I think they would have gone the way of Sega if they tried to compete at the level of Sony and Microsoft. Both went aggressively high end, taking losses on consoles to build market share. Rather than compete with that, they decided to be different with the Wii and it has worked out quite well for them. It helps that their first party titles are always top notch and exclusive to the console.
 
They are currently printing money. During the end of the Gamecube era, I might have agreed with you. They had nothing then. Right now, the DS and Wii are selling like hotcakes. And that profit goes directly to them. They don't care what third party publishers do because they aren't making anything worthwhile when Sega sells a shitton of Sonic games or when Ubi releases a new Rabbids game. Will they be able to capture the nongamer again? Who knows. But they already captured the core gamer. They are the ones that collectively creamed their pants at Skyward Sword, Epic Yawn (at first it was a typo, but I'm actually gonna leave it), and DKC Returns. They are the ones excited for the 3DS. They are the ones who will buy whatever crap Nintendo puts out simply because of the nostalgia. I'm not even going to say i'm better. I've been saying fuck Nintendo for years now. What did I buy yesterday? Metroid: Other M and New Super Mario Bros. And I got it at K-Mart so I got a $20 gaming coupon, which has a good chance to eventually go towards Sin & Punishment 2. Thats just how it is. Regardless of how much better or worse the competition may be, they aren't going away.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']if buy odd system out you mean the top selling portable and home console...

go back to gamefaqs or post this on your myspace.[/QUOTE]


Dumbass, fix your spelling buy = by. Guess i should have expected that from retard fanboys getting their feelings hurt. To the people saying this has been said forever, no shit. I'm a gamer, I know that, but lets try discussing why that is instead of just flaming. If you think this is a pointless discussion, then just leave your self out of it and let it die.

Even with Nintendo's success and their good E3, they have a dirty name to me now or something. I would prefer they just made games, not consoles, cause thats what they are better at. That and making money off their inferior consoles. LOL...thats gonna rile the fanboys up.
 
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your argument is trash so now you resort to dissing ppl for spelling errors[/QUOTE]

Haha, wow. Im not making an argument, I wanted to discuss this. If you got no points, then STFU and leave. fucking troll

As far as my making fun of a retard that can't spell 2 sentences. Wannabe flamers that fail in doing so, will be mocked accordingly
 
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Wait, what? They're going out of business by making money?

Also, how do you know their next console is going to have inferior graphics like the Wii? I don't remember an announcement on that.
 
I'm not arguing, but im impartially saying that ever since the SNES, I and many other people have felt Nintendo consoles have under delivered. And no matter how much the fanboy trolls try to flame anyone that feels this way, or talk about all the MONEIZ they making, it makes more sense to me that Nintendo just make games. Nintendo games are good, but their consoles are like the Jershey shore / Paris Hiltons of the video game world: So many people saying, why the F are they making so much money and so popular?

Anyway, i guess im not saying they will get out of the console business. I'm saying that even with their success, I just get the feeling they could and should leave it. I now view Microsoft and Sony as console makers and supporters, I view Nintendo as a shovelware/money machine that only exists because of the Grade A Nintendo games that can only be played on their system. I don't know if that can last, and it is faltering. Their profits are down something like 60% from last year.

Heres another interesting fact about last quarters net income:
Microsoft - $3 billion US
Nintendo - $450 million US

I'm not arguing that Nintendo's console has been less successful, just trying to shut up flamer fanboys and all their MONEY MONEY MONEY talk.
 
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[quote name='Xenogears']I'm not arguing, but im impartially saying that ever since the SNES I, and many other people have felt Nintendo consoles have under delivered. And no matter how much the fanboy trolls try to flame anyone that feels this way, or talk about all the MONEIZ they making, it makes more sense to me that Nintendo just make games. Nintendo games are good, but their consoles are like the Jershey shore / Paris Hiltons of the video game world: So many people saying, why the F are they making so much money and so popular? Their profits are down something like 50% from last year though[/QUOTE]

Yet, they probably had the best E3 presentation of the bunch. Plenty of new games coming to the Wii to get the Nintendo faithful excited. Plus, the 3DS to help keep their lead on the portable market.

Again, they are able to make money on their consoles, unlike Sony and Microsoft. They also tap into a market that neither console can touch yet: the casual gamer. While the Wii isn't the greatest console ever, it is successful.
 
Not going to happen. They've been way too successful this gen, that success is likely to carry forward to their next console, when they get to put HD graphics and a competent online infrastructure to use in their first party games. That'll sell systems like crazy. Plus, 3rd party developers will not overlook Nintendo's home console this time around, just like they're not overlooking the 3DS. Everybody's going to be developing something for them, so they'll actually have the 3rd party support they've lacked these past couple of generations.
 
[quote name='Xenogears']Haha, wow. Im not making an argument, I wanted to discuss this. If you got no points, then STFU and leave. fucking troll

As far as my making fun of a retard that can't spell 2 sentences. Wannabe flamers that fail in doing so, will be mocked accordingly[/QUOTE]
You're one to talk. Punctuation and grammar are just as important as spelling.
 
[quote name='doodofdoods']Not going to happen. They've been way too successful this gen, that success is likely to carry forward to their next console, when they get to put HD graphics and a competent online infrastructure to use in their first party games. That'll sell systems like crazy. Plus, 3rd party developers will not overlook Nintendo's home console this time around, just like they're not overlooking the 3DS. Everybody's going to be developing something for them, so they'll actually have the 3rd party support they've lacked these past couple of generations.[/QUOTE]

Good point. IF nintendo atleast matches what sony and microsoft have done for 5 years now, HD graphics and online support, they probably will be successful. I agree with that. But whenever they release their next console, I predict it is going to be PS3/360 quality graphics. Last Gen graphics is what worked for the Wii, and I think their next console is going to follow the same plan. If that is the case, i'm not so sure its going to work again. From a logical perspective, yeah, it probably will, from a gamer (?) persepective, it shouldnt and wont
 
[quote name='Xenogears']
Heres another interesting fact about last quarters net income:
Microsoft - $3 billion US
Nintendo - $450 million US

I'm not arguing that Nintendo's console has been less successful, just trying to shut up flamer fanboys and all their MONEY MONEY MONEY talk.[/QUOTE]

uhh...keep trying.

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	   Sony		    Nintendo	      Microsoft	        Total
Y/E 1998     $902,811,090   $1,023,333,867                      $1,926,144,957
Y/E 1999   $1,102,563,557   $1,301,350,000                      $2,403,913,557
Y/E 2000     $722,738,949   $1,368,207,547                      $2,090,946,497
Y/E 2001    -$449,776,290     $677,576,000                        $227,799,710
Y/E 2002     $629,101,056     $895,872,180   -$1,135,000,000      $389,973,237
Y/E 2003     $935,569,253     $834,333,333   -$1,191,000,000      $578,902,586
Y/E 2004     $627,195,212     $993,161,303   -$1,337,000,000      $283,356,515
Y/E 2005     $419,888,799   $1,056,056,202     -$539,000,000      $936,945,001
Y/E 2006      $69,129,058     $774,478,055   -$1,339,000,000     -$495,392,887
Y/E 2007  -$1,970,923,859   $1,914,666,388   -$1,969,000,000   -$2,025,257,471
Y/E 2008  -$1,079,994,103   $4,322,637,887      $426,000,000    $3,668,643,783
Y/E 2009    -$664,313,787   $5,691,428,301      $169,000,000    $5,196,114,515

Y/E 10Q1    -$413,541,667     $420,843,750      $312,000,000      $319,302,083
Y/E 10Q2    -$653,333,333     $710,655,556      $375,000,000      $432,011,111
Y/E 10Q3     $210,629,750   $2,087,904,452               N/A               N/A

Total				
	     $387,078,407  $24,072,504,822   -$6,157,000,000   $16,004,049,028

360 is only part of the Entertainment & Devices Division of Microsoft. Note that this is slightly out of date. I'd be up for Nintendo leaving the home console race, but only because HD is proven to not be a viable business model for all involved parties.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']uhh...

Code:
       Sony            Nintendo          Microsoft            Total
Y/E 1998     $902,811,090   $1,023,333,867                      $1,926,144,957
Y/E 1999   $1,102,563,557   $1,301,350,000                      $2,403,913,557
Y/E 2000     $722,738,949   $1,368,207,547                      $2,090,946,497
Y/E 2001    -$449,776,290     $677,576,000                        $227,799,710
Y/E 2002     $629,101,056     $895,872,180   -$1,135,000,000      $389,973,237
Y/E 2003     $935,569,253     $834,333,333   -$1,191,000,000      $578,902,586
Y/E 2004     $627,195,212     $993,161,303   -$1,337,000,000      $283,356,515
Y/E 2005     $419,888,799   $1,056,056,202     -$539,000,000      $936,945,001
Y/E 2006      $69,129,058     $774,478,055   -$1,339,000,000     -$495,392,887
Y/E 2007  -$1,970,923,859   $1,914,666,388   -$1,969,000,000   -$2,025,257,471
Y/E 2008  -$1,079,994,103   $4,322,637,887      $426,000,000    $3,668,643,783
Y/E 2009    -$664,313,787   $5,691,428,301      $169,000,000    $5,196,114,515
 
Y/E 10Q1    -$413,541,667     $420,843,750      $312,000,000      $319,302,083
Y/E 10Q2    -$653,333,333     $710,655,556      $375,000,000      $432,011,111
Y/E 10Q3     $210,629,750   $2,087,904,452               N/A               N/A
 
Total                
         $387,078,407  $24,072,504,822   -$6,157,000,000   $16,004,049,028

360 is only part of the Entertainment & Devices Division of Microsoft. Note that this is slightly out of date. I'd be up for Nintendo leaving the home console race, but only because HD is proven to not be a viable business model for all involved parties.[/QUOTE]

My numbers are for microsoft as a whole, not just their Xbox division.
 
Fun and enjoyable gameplay is a lot more important than graphics, no matter how pretty they may get. And Nintendo, while some may say they are inferior in the graphics department this gen, have shown time and time again that they are still superior in the gameplay department.

And while many disagree, I have to say that a few Nintendo titles are right on up there graphics wise with Microsoft and Sony titles. Super Mario Galaxy and it's sequel look glorious, and Other M looks great as well. A lot of people just crap on Nintendo and the Wii right now because of all the shovelware crap that developers are shoving down our throats for the Wii-Remote.

But then again, Microsoft and Sony are now trying to capitalize on that market with the Kinect and Move. A bit late now though. I don't think Nintendo will be going anywhere any time soon. I just hope though that we start getting more first-party titles out of them.
 
I'm skeptical about Nintendo in the home console market going forward as well. They're up against two competitors who are mysteriously satisfied with losing money indefinitely. Thats a tough fight in the long run. Meanwhile, developers continue to CRATER under the crushing unviability of HD.

Theres virtually no reason to support a WiiHD when you have 3DS.
 
The reason I posted this is that I had a thought last night: Nintendo and Sony combined would crush Microsoft. For those of you that know Sony's history, they started out in a partnership with Nintendo, im not going into that, but while its difficult, its entirely possible they go back into one. That thought got me thinking, why is Nintendo even making consoles? Other than they are currently profitable. If Nintendo ever has a console like the 3DS or their next home console flop, I think they are done right then and there. Sony and Microsoft, still in it. 5, 10, 15 years; Nintendo may have a big flop. Then what? I think they partner with SONY before they become a 3rd party developer.
 
Your post advocates a

() Technological
() Business
() Market share

Reason Why

() Apple
() Nintendo

Is about to go out of business. I will now prove you are full of sh*t by pointing out said companies

() Gross profits
() Market capitalization
() Stock price
 
[quote name='Xenogears']As far as my making fun of a retard that can't spell 2 sentences. Wannabe flamers that fail in doing so, will be mocked accordingly[/QUOTE]

Those aren't complete sentences, and you've got a comma splice in one fragment. Also, numbers one through ten are to be spelled out.
 
I don't think they are going to pull a Sega but I do think they are going down a bad path with their console plan. They have a fantastic strategy right now of having cheap hardware that has a novelty factor to pull in non-gamers. My parents and all of their friends love the Wii/comment on how they'll have to get one. The big problem is that they only play it in groups and never bought another game for it. They treat it like a karaoke machine. That's a bad thing since the shine of "wow, I'm bowling by moving like I would if I was bowling" will wear off sooner than later (especially with Kinect and Sony Move coming out) and how long will third party companies put money into making a special copy of a game if it isn't selling? The Wii seems like a great thing for the short term but a horrible thing for the long term. How long until the fun of motion control wears off and you are stuck with a Gamecube type situation (underpowered hardware with only Nintendo games keeping it afloat)?

I don't think they ever have to worry about losing the handheld market or going out of business.
 
[quote name='Xenogears']Really, starting with N64, gamecube, and now wii; Nintendo has had the "odd" console out.[/QUOTE]

Odd as in the only consoles that made a profit and doesn't sell at a loss?

Your post might have made sense in 2005 after Nintendo came in 2nd two years in a row with N64 and GC.

Dr Mario Kart posted hard cold facts. MS and Sony in their best years have barely broke 1 billion dollars profit (and have posted multiple negative billion dollar losses) yet Nintendo in 2008 posted 4 billion and in 2009 posted 5 billion. Look at the totals for each company.

Where are you getting your thoughts from???
 
I would refrain from including Microsoft as a whole in your statements and stick to their gaming division. Part of the reason the Xbox survived to become the 360 is that Microsoft could afford to take big losses since they were swimming in money from all their other divisions.

As I see it, Nintendo innovates. Sony has the best graphics (largely due to Blu-ray disc's size capacity), and Microsoft has the best networking/multiplayer.

We need Nintendo to keep innovating though. So gaming doesn't stay stale like it has been recently. I mean, how many more fps and 3ps games does there need to be before they all merge into one big high def pile of bullets?
 
It makes my brain hurt to think that in the past 12 years the video game industry has gotten over $16 billion dollars from us. Also Sega had two systems bomb (don't get me wrong I LOVED the Dreamcast, but it still bombed, three if you count the CD since it basically made the genesis a whole new system), so Nintendo needs to make at least 2 systems that bomb before they go that way. Yes, the N64 didn't sell that well, nor did the Gamecube, but they sold respecably well enough, and Pokemon followed by the DS kept nintendo alive during those years. I take it back, Nintendo had decent sales during the end of the N64 days. Do those figures include console AND software sales? If so, that might partially explain it. Pick all you want about my grammar, its 4 am, I'm tired.
 
Sigh.... Nintendo has been around 100 years. If anything will impact them, it will be Apple, not Microsoft.

In fact, there should be concern, that recent personal moves at Microsoft could impact future iterations of the Xbox.

After all, the first moves after the recent shakeups was to up Xbox Live by $10 a year, and to hold back a controller that should have been included in the Xbox 360 Slim package.

The Xbox, supposedly as financials have occasionally been tough to tess out , has only been successful in one or two quarters out of the past several years. At some point someone could just cut the division as a cost cutting move.
 
Nintendo isn't going anywhere any time soon. Their handheld marketshare and Pokemon will always keep them afloat. Let's forget about the handheld market for a minute though. They are the "Kleenex" and "Coke" of their industry, and that will sustain them for a long time.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Which makes them how useful?[/QUOTE]

They're as useful as raindrops and candy when trying to pay for good times man. Can't you see that? :lol:
 
Nintendo sure is the odd console out. That's why Sony and MS are hyping their superior third-party lineups and HD capabilities, not the motion control "gimmick/fad" the Wii is known for.

Oh wait.
 
LOL, K. People that like nintendo, and don't agree with what I have said in the OP. Fine, thanks for posting your thoughts too. People saying im "full of shit", not welcome on CAG: take your trolling over to hatehatehate.com, irrelevant fanboy fuck ers.

Morriganlover, using nintendo's stock price as "proof" for your nice statement that im full of shit is funny when it has lost 60% from its 3 year high. Just go back to fapping over darkstalkers pics. I wanted to talk about Nintendo's future in the home console market, and am personally not so sure about it. Deal with it.

Grammar nazi Survivalism, I got on the troll for misspelling because he was nothing but a troll. Gden, I dont know if survivalism will or not, but im not gonna pick at your grammar. Your post was actually relevant and not simply hate.

Kendro, im posting "cold hard" facts too. They were older numbers, just like Dr. mario karts, but look up Microsoft and nintendo Q1 2009 net income if you dont believe me. I just posted those numbers to show that even with nintendos success, microsoft still generated something like 7x net income. And saying that nintendo has had the "odd" console out for the past three generations is fine. So stop being a smart ass, you know exactly what i mean by that. Its been the "different" console for 3 generations, either with carts, a purple cube that plays tiny discs, or motion control. And less 3rd party support. I wouldnt call wii shovelware "support" from the 3rd parties

Basically, i'm just musing about nintendo's future. I had some thoughts about whether the Wii was even necessary. If Sony can add the move to PS3, why couldn't nintendo just have added motion controll to the gamecube? The graphics tech is almost identical (i know fanboys wont like that statement either...but nothing on the Wii looks significantly better than Twilight Princess). Now that sony has the move, other than getting nintendo games and being cheaper, what advantages does the wii have? Sony has many. I just got to thinking. If you got a problem with that, fuck you
 
[quote name='Xenogears']Basically, i'm just musing about nintendo's future. I had some thoughts about whether the Wii was even necessary. If Sony can add the move to PS3, why couldn't nintendo just have added motion controll to the gamecube? The graphics tech is almost identical (i know fanboys wont like that statement either...but nothing on the Wii looks significantly better than Twilight Princess). Now that sony has the move, other than getting nintendo games and being cheaper, what advantages does the wii have? Sony has many. I just got to thinking. If you got a problem with that, fuck you[/QUOTE]

Play Metroid: Other M and tell me that the Wii is a warmed-over GameCube.

Price is still a huge advantage for the Wii. A Move bundle still costs twice as much as a Wii. It will also be a question if there will be enough quality games to make Move a viable peripheral. History isn't on the side of games that require post-release peripherals.
 
[quote name='shinzero01']I would refrain from including Microsoft as a whole in your statements and stick to their gaming division. Part of the reason the Xbox survived to become the 360 is that Microsoft could afford to take big losses since they were swimming in money from all their other divisions.[/QUOTE]
I think that's a good reason you should include Microsoft as a whole. If they so wanted, they could weather a few non-successes and just out last Nintendo. I'm not sure how many different consoles the market can support. Last generation, the Dreamcast just couldn't survive as #4. The generation before that saw a lot of entries too...

Can't we look at Sony as an example? One of the big reasons why blu-ray won out over hd-dvd was the PS3. Perhaps the gaming division was hemorrhaging cash, but it was allowed them to lock up that format war. Strategically, the right move.

Anyway, I don't know. Long term, I think the tc has some valid concerns. I loved Sega for their Saturn and Dreamcast, and I'd hate to see Nintendo go that way.
 
[quote name='Xenogears']Of course tons of Wiis and DS's are selling, so I have absolutly no basis for saying this; but I think Nintendo could be out of the console business within 5 to 10 years. My predicition is that they either team with SONY and develop exclusively for them, or become a 3rd party developer like SEGA. They will probably stay big with their handheld systems though.

Really, starting with N64, gamecube, and now wii; Nintendo has had the "odd" console out. Selling systems almost entirely with first party titles, and getting much less quality and mainstream 3rd party titles. Nintendo hit gold with the Wii, but it still seems like they got lucky with non-gamers who may not be there again. Even with their success, as a gamer i view them as struggling to compete and hang on when you actually look at their tech, system features, game releases, and future plans.

Think they will be able to sell a system with 5 year old graphics tech again? I'm thinking no. I've owned every Nintendo system since the NES, but they have been going downhill ever since the Super Nintendo. Discuss.[/QUOTE]

Discuss? Okay.

For over 20 years Nintendo has consistently made the best games on the marketplace and is the leader in innovation.

They ain't going anywhere.

Edit: These arguments always seem to reek of jealousy to me. People just want to play Nintendo's games without buying their hardware so they pray to their god every night that Nintendo goes third party so they can get their Zelda/Mario/Metroid/Etc fix without being called lame by their Dudebro friends for owning a Wii.
 
[quote name='Xenogears']LOL, K. People that like nintendo, and don't agree with what I have said in the OP. Fine, thanks for posting your thoughts too. People saying im "full of shit", not welcome on CAG: take your trolling over to hatehatehate.com, irrelevant fanboy fuck ers.

Morriganlover, using nintendo's stock price as "proof" for your nice statement that im full of shit is funny when it has lost 60% from its 3 year high. Just go back to fapping over darkstalkers pics. I wanted to talk about Nintendo's future in the home console market, and am personally not so sure about it. Deal with it.

Grammar nazi Survivalism, I got on the troll for misspelling because he was nothing but a troll. Gden, I dont know if survivalism will or not, but im not gonna pick at your grammar. Your post was actually relevant and not simply hate.

Kendro, im posting "cold hard" facts too. They were older numbers, just like Dr. mario karts, but look up Microsoft and nintendo Q1 2009 net income if you dont believe me. I just posted those numbers to show that even with nintendos success, microsoft still generated something like 7x net income. And saying that nintendo has had the "odd" console out for the past three generations is fine. So stop being a smart ass, you know exactly what i mean by that. Its been the "different" console for 3 generations, either with carts, a purple cube that plays tiny discs, or motion control. And less 3rd party support. I wouldnt call wii shovelware "support" from the 3rd parties

Basically, i'm just musing about nintendo's future. I had some thoughts about whether the Wii was even necessary. If Sony can add the move to PS3, why couldn't nintendo just have added motion controll to the gamecube? The graphics tech is almost identical (i know fanboys wont like that statement either...but nothing on the Wii looks significantly better than Twilight Princess). Now that sony has the move, other than getting nintendo games and being cheaper, what advantages does the wii have? Sony has many. I just got to thinking. If you got a problem with that, fuck you[/QUOTE]

Using your argument won't it make more sense for MS to get out of the gaming market? Since they would be making more money without the gaming division.
 
I don't think Nintendo will go the way of Sega, they are just too innovative when it comes to gaming.
They were the first to have a 1st party wireless controller with the Wavebird.

They were the first real "mutilplayer" console with the N64 and its 4 controller ports.

They weret he first to consider a CD format (your afformentioned partnership with sony).

They were the first to use motion controls with the Wii. And they're going to have the first 3D console, that doesn't require glasses.

They are always the originator of gaming concepts that end up being copied or imatated by others. IMO, there is always a market for originality and innovation, something Sega never did grasp, they were always playing catchup with Nintendo.
 
It doesn't seem like you want to discuss anything. You seem to have made up your mind that Nintendo should pull a SEGA, as you call it. And when someone brings up a point, you agree that they brought up a point and then reiterate your stance and how the haters should keep hating. Your advice to "Deal with it." seems to show you just don't want to argue intelligently with someone and are hoping someone who agrees with you will come in and fellate you because of your "wisdom."

Nintendo is going to be around for a while. And they're very protective of their IPs and are too smart to let anything or just anyone handle them. Unless something horrible happens to drive them into the ground, they aren't going to pull a Sega. And as bleak or grim as their future might appear to you, I think they just might know what they're doing a little better than you.
 
This thread is turning into somebody's fanboy dream of Nintendo and Sony rekindling the flames and teaming up in a Fall of Xbox crossover epic.
 
[quote name='Xenogears']Dumbass, fix your spelling buy = by. Guess i should have expected that from retard fanboys getting their feelings hurt. To the people saying this has been said forever, no shit. I'm a gamer, I know that, but lets try discussing why that is instead of just flaming. If you think this is a pointless discussion, then just leave your self out of it and let it die.

Even with Nintendo's success and their good E3, they have a dirty name to me now or something. I would prefer they just made games, not consoles, cause thats what they are better at. That and making money off their inferior consoles. LOL...thats gonna rile the fanboys up.[/QUOTE]

sorry i dont prof rad my internt posts. i guess ill just be a dumbass and fanboy for the rest of my life.
 
[quote name='SteveGo']I don't think Nintendo will go the way of Sega, they are just too innovative when it comes to gaming.
They were the first to have a 1st party wireless controller with the Wavebird.

They were the first real "mutilplayer" console with the N64 and its 4 controller ports.

They weret he first to consider a CD format (your afformentioned partnership with sony).

They were the first to use motion controls with the Wii. And they're going to have the first 3D console, that doesn't require glasses.

They are always the originator of gaming concepts that end up being copied or imatated by others. IMO, there is always a market for originality and innovation, something Sega never did grasp, they were always playing catchup with Nintendo.[/QUOTE]

The motion controller was innovative and a gamble that paid off. 3D in a handheld is an innovative gamble that has yet to be proven. Their last 3D handheld didnt go so well :) The 3DS will probably sell if its not overpriced, works well, and doesn't give nasty hangover like side-effects.

If nintendo comes up with a new innovation for their next home console, I think sony and microsoft are going to be quicker to say screw it, and throw it on their console or 1up it as quick as possible. If nintendo is using last-gen graphics again, and sticking to their "protect the children" no online policy; that would be a tough spot. Especially if the mainstream doesnt bite the hype like last time and get an early lead.

I have owned every sony and nintendo console. And just find it interesting that for 3 generations i have bought 4-6 times more games for the sony. I used to prefer nintendo too, but own just 6 Wii games (Mario, Zelda, metroid; thats it) compared to 20 plus PS3 games. Which are all just as good. And I bought the Wii almost 2 years earlier than the PS3. To people saying that i just am jealous of nintendo and want them to fail so i can play their 3rd party games. If you had an HD tv and a PS3 or xbox, i think you'd understand better. Wii games look like crap compared to HD consoles, and the divide is constantly growing. I just got other M, and am not looking foward to playing it after just finishing GOW3. Thats going to be painfull on the eyes. To put in a way nintendo only purists might understand, its like playing N64 when you could be playing gamecube. Sure there are good games that look ok, but once you go foward a gen, its hard to look back.

Again, if your just a one sentence troll ignoring what im saying. fuck off. What i just said is true, refute something if its not. Im fine with that.
 
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[quote name='rhymenoceros']It doesn't seem like you want to discuss anything. You seem to have made up your mind that Nintendo should pull a SEGA, as you call it. And when someone brings up a point, you agree that they brought up a point and then reiterate your stance and how the haters should keep hating. Your advice to "Deal with it." seems to show you just don't want to argue intelligently with someone and are hoping someone who agrees with you will come in and fellate you because of your "wisdom."

Nintendo is going to be around for a while. And they're very protective of their IPs and are too smart to let anything or just anyone handle them. Unless something horrible happens to drive them into the ground, they aren't going to pull a Sega. And as bleak or grim as their future might appear to you, I think they just might know what they're doing a little better than you.[/QUOTE]

I know its pretty easy and fun to just ignore the problems with nintendo that im pointing out, and make jokes about the "troll" op. Its pretty easy to jump on the bandwagon of the console leader when someone brings up any of their faults. Saying "deal with it", im trying to pre-empt all the jackass with blinders on that are spewwing nothing but hate. I'm agreeing with people that make points, because im hoping maybe some of the fanboy haters can do the same for me. Though, joke away jackass, you got plenty of buddies here.

And coffee, your saying your a troll then? Takes one to know one?
 
[quote name='Xenogears']I know its pretty easy and fun to just ignore the problems with nintendo that im pointing out, and make jokes about the "troll" op. Its pretty easy to jump on the bandwagon of the console leader when someone brings up any of their faults. Saying "deal with it", im trying to pre-empt all the jackass with blinders on that are spewwing nothing but hate. I'm agreeing with people that make points, because im hoping maybe some of the fanboy haters can do the same for me. Though, joke away jackass, you got plenty of buddies here.

And coffee, your saying your a troll then? Takes one to know one?[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='Xenogears']I know its pretty easy and fun to just ignore the problems with nintendo that im pointing out, and make jokes about the "troll" op. Its pretty easy to jump on the bandwagon of the console leader when someone brings up any of their faults. Saying "deal with it", im trying to pre-empt all the jackass with blinders on that are spewwing nothing but hate. I'm agreeing with people that make points, because im hoping maybe some of the fanboy haters can do the same for me. Though, joke away jackass, you got plenty of buddies here.[/QUOTE]

So what points are you trying to make here? Wii graphics suck? Nintendo has no 3rd-party support on the Wii? The PS3 can do what the Wii can do, but with better graphics? These are all "points" that get brought up in every console debate. You are bringing nothing new to the table.

But in an attempt to get this back on track, let's compare Nintendo to Sega.

Worldwide sales:
Nintendo Entertainment System – 61.91 million
Sega Master System – 13 million

Game Boy and Game Boy Color combined – 118.69 million, as of 31 December 2009 (Japan: 32.47 million, the Americas: 44.06 million, other: 42.16 million)
Sega Game Gear – 11 million

Super Nintendo Entertainment System/Super Famicom – 49.10 million (Japan: 17.17 million, the Americas: 23.35 million, Other: 8.58 million)
Mega Drive/Genesis – 29–30 million
TurboGrafx-16 – 10 million (US: 2.5 million)

PlayStation – 102.49 million shipped, as of 31 March 2005 (Japan: 21.59, US: 40.78, Europe: 40.12)
including PS one – 28.15 million shipped, as of 31 March 2005
Nintendo 64 – 32.93 million (Japan: 5.54 million, the Americas: 20.63 million, other: 6.75 million as of 31 March 2005)
Sega Saturn – 9.5 million

Nintendo has consistently beaten Sega in every console generation (I don't have Dreamcast numbers). Even if Nintendo was to go Sega's route, the following would have to happen:

-the 3DS underperforms dramatically and loses the handheld war to the PSP/iTouch. Also, everyone stops buying the DS.
-the Wii2 also fails to make an impact. Perhaps the online doesn't get any better, the casuals start losing interest, the graphics capabilities aren't enough, the pricepoint too high, etc.

Basically Nintendo would need to suffer a huge drop in sales for a couple generations before they'd call it quits from the hardware business. It's difficult to compare the two anyway: even if the Dreamcast had sold like gangbusters Sega was still in financial trouble from its previous disappointments.
 
I'm pretty sure we can all agree that the Wii is doing well enough for Nintendo. They're making money hand-over-fist, and there's no worry about them getting out of consoles right now. However, allow me to present another question for a better discussion...

If Nintendo releases their next home console without any kind of significant innovations, will it be successful?
 
I think this thread should say "I really wish Nintendo would become third party because I don't like anything on their consoles except first party games and would rather have them in HD on my PS3." Because there's no reason at all for Nintendo to even remotely consider "pulling a Sega."

They've made a ton of money this generation, from both software and hardware. They've gotten a lot of people who weren't previously into gaming to buy their system. They've been able to create software that has had longer staying power than possibly any gaming software ever. They'd be insane to even remotely be thinking of going software only. At this point it would be insane. Why not give up on making Mario games, too?

And I see no reason that Microsoft's overall profits are in any way relevant. Nintendo's not going anywhere because one of their competitors makes a ton of money from a separate division. Sega didn't care about Nintendo's or Sony's profits. They cared about the fact that they weren't making money. Nintendo is, so they're not going to go anywhere, they'd have to have multiple consoles in a row flop before that would be an option.
 
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