PSNOT 3.0 - Let's Talk About University of Kentucky, Baby!

GatorBeerGeek said:
Since I am probably sounding like a nut job right winger to a lot of people with my posts today
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Nah, not really. At least imo. There's a big difference between the nutjobs and someone for or against big government. Personally, I waiver between the two. Both sides have merits and drawbacks.

 
jimbo8574 said:
They answer and are responsible to the shareholders. Just the way it is. Would it be nice if they thought of the little people who work for them and took care of them? Yes. But these big corporations are about maximizing profits for the shareholders. Some billionaires decide to do great things with their money personal. Many do not.
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Many shareholders of these large companies are the VERY PEOPLE COMPLAINING about said companies! DUNDUN DUUUNNN!!!!!

 
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Wrencrest said:
I would vote for Trump just as a middle finger to the real politicians. Besides, it isnt like Trump can actually do some of the crazy shit he wants to. The President isnt a God. He doesnt have absolute power. Obama and every President before him has said they would do a lot of things before they get into office. Once in they are either shot down by Congress or some strings are pulled behind the scenes, or you know as President he is given better info (secrets if you will) that tell him not to do what he planned. #politics
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Well.....

Two words.

Executive Action.

Obama has made it so the president is WAY more powerful than the office needs to be with ones hes written.

 
kilik64 said:
Well.....

Two words.

Executive Action.

Obama has made it so the president is WAY more powerful than the office needs to be with ones hes written.
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What are some of the ones he has written? I'll admit I'm not familiar with all of them and can (and probably will) just go look them up, but the only one I remember getting a lot of press was the recent gun control one for background checks.

EDIT: OK i looked it up. Here's the exective order totals for the last several presidents...

  • Obama 219 (D)
  • Dubya Bush 291 ( R)
  • Clinton 364 (D)
  • Old Bush 166 ( R)(one term)
  • Reagan 381 ( R)
  • Carter 320 (D)
I know Obama has a year left, but he's by far the lowest of all the two termers.

 
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kilik64 said:
Trump scares me, but you guys saying like sage and gator you want govt to get back to working together, I think he is THAT guy. Hes not really conservative, hes more of a moderate on a lot of things and I think he would work to cut deals with the "other" side more than any candidate either R or D running. Hillary will be obama 2.0 and bernie will be even more left leaning than obama. The other R candidates are more right leaning so would try and pull stuff that way, Trump might be the most central candidate from either side and as he champions, he knows the art of the deal and would work with both sides to make deals, whether good or bad, who knows, but it wont be as big of a stalemate as the last 6 years I think.

Good talk.

edit: realize it sounds like i support trump, I dont honestly, at least not yet anyways, not picked anyone yet.
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thanks for this, that's the first logical reason I've heard for supporting trump. I've heard a number of people who like the way he talks/thinks and I find that abominable. I feel like we've drifted culturally far enough from decorum and civility, but it's not like there are any candidates that would reverse that trend anyways. it's that idea of people saying stuff like 'I'm a bitch and I'm proud!' Why??? there's literally nothing positive about that. but it's become a norm. Trump seems to revel in his bluntness - when did tact become so uncool?

some days I feel like I'm stuck in 1800s downton abbey.

 
Sagemoon said:
Nah, not really. At least imo. There's a big difference between the nutjobs and someone for or against big government. Personally, I waiver between the two. Both sides have merits and drawbacks.
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If you really think that, you might fall on the Libertarian spectrum like I do.

 
Wait, let me get this back on the right track.

I AM VOTING FOR TRUMP BECAUSE HE IS THE BEST AND I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE ELSE THINKS! 

I WANT ALL YOUR MONIES!!!!

Drop the mic, I got some real work to do now.  Like fixing a spreadsheet with over 2700 financial transactions worth several hundred million dollars.

 
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I should not refresh this thread while I'm in the middle of an email to a coworker.  I have no idea how I was planning on finishing the sentence 'We also don't have any sort of'

I hope it wasn't important.

 
The post about corporations retaliating to increased wages by just shipping their employees overseas or switching to robots is a good example of where the problem lies; profit for profit's sake. Yes increased wages means decreased profit, but many corporations are having ridiculous record profits every year and their top-level employees are receiving yearly bonuses that far exceed the annual salary of their average employees. Increased wages doesn't mean the corporations are suddenly losing money--they're just making a tiny bit less--and IMO to flip out over that (relatively) small decrease in profit is just a gross level of greed.

I get that profit is king but there's a systematic problem when it's profit to the exclusion of everything else, which is unfortunately what we're dealing with a lot in this country. The whole "pure capitalism" argument completely disregards that unfair business practices can easily create an environment nobody else can get into and encourages monopolies to protect and promote that business. You can argue that people have the choice to shop wherever they want, and that they can choose to not go to Walmart or whatever if they don't want to contribute to those types of business behaviors...but small businesses can't compete with the same low prices and a person who works at Walmart (or the equivalent) often doesn't have the extra money to throw around at more expensive community and employee-conscious stores.

There used to be restrictions around the way television worked. In return for the government allowing stations to broadcast over the airways, those stations would have to run non-profit news shows. That's gone away, obviously, but I think that civic responsibility was a good approach--there's a huge top-down culture in business in America that simply doesn't do enough to support the employees and communities and such that corporations profit off of. I'm not sure what could be changed specifically to improve that situation, but it's very clear that decent wages and access to affordable care are good places to start.

tldr;

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Zimm108 said:
What are some of the ones he has written? I'll admit I'm not familiar with all of them and can (and probably will) just go look them up, but the only one I remember getting a lot of press was the recent gun control one for background checks.

EDIT: OK i looked it up. Here's the exective order totals for the last several presidents...

  • Obama 219 (D)
  • Dubya Bush 291 ( R)
  • Clinton 364 (D)
  • Old Bush 166 ( R)(one term)
  • Reagan 381 ( R)
  • Carter 320 (D)
I know Obama has a year left, but he's by far the lowest of all the two termers.
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Not the amount, its the content and what they do. EA are supposed to deal with the implementation of law, not write law whole cloth. Congress writes laws, president executes them, and the SC determines law validity. At least how its supposed to work, but congress and obama have both chosen not to even try and work together so nothing is getting done and obama just writes laws through EA.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/01/25/obama-immigration-and-10-words-in-the-constitution-that-mean-mr-president-dont-be-a-king/

Good current article about some of his EA, specifically one concerning immigration, and the take care clause of the constitution.

 
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Other than the Guantanamo Bay part, which Obama has said he'll use Executive Action to accomplish if he can't do it any other way, is there anything left of Obama's campaign promises that hasn't at least been partially accomplished?

 
MildObstruction said:
thanks for this, that's the first logical reason I've heard for supporting trump. I've heard a number of people who like the way he talks/thinks and I find that abominable. I feel like we've drifted culturally far enough from decorum and civility, but it's not like there are any candidates that would reverse that trend anyways. it's that idea of people saying stuff like 'I'm a bitch and I'm proud!' Why??? there's literally nothing positive about that. but it's become a norm. Trump seems to revel in his bluntness - when did tact become so uncool?

some days I feel like I'm stuck in 1800s downton abbey.
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And this one of my biggest problems with Trump. How is his schtick going to work when dealing with other world leaders? The president still has to be diplomatic when dealing with foreign leaders. Telling it like it is and pointing at people who disagree with him yelling get them out isn't going to work if he was president.

 
jimbo8574 said:
And this one of my biggest problems with Trump. How is his schtick going to work when dealing with other world leaders? The president still has to be diplomatic when dealing with foreign leaders. Telling it like it is and pointing at people who disagree with him yelling get them out isn't going to work if he was president.
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You know there was a big petition in the UK to have him banned over his racist comments, right?

 
In real important actual news, the Broncos have choose to wear their white uniforms in the Super Bowl, probably because they are 0-4 in their orange ones.  This forces the Panthers to wear their black uniforms, since the blue is technically an alternate.  They wore whites when they lost their only other Super Bowl appearance against the Patriots.

 
Thermopyle said:
You know there was a big petition in the UK to have him banned over his racist comments, right?
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And who says they know what they are doing? I dont even know what your talking about but I hate using other countries as a barometer for ours. fuck them. Even with our issues most people would rather live in the U.S. than anywhere else in the world.

 
MildObstruction said:
it almost put me on the corner of the centrist box between liberal and libertarian. does that make me officially wishy washy?
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When it comes to politics I hate the term wishy washy. "Wishy Washy" is a sign of intelligence if you ask me. People who are stead fast Republican or Democrat are foolish. Things change. Shit is never black and white, yet politicians always have to pick a side. There are very good reasons to be for and against the same issue. We have to weigh pros and cons and not just be blinded by one side of everything.

I am more Republican when it comes to economics and things like the death penalty. But I am very liberal/Democratic with things like freedom of speech and censorship. So of course I am a registered independent.

 
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Gator's quiz thing told me I'm Liberal (big surprise), but yeah those questions were heavily loaded and broad and designed to steer you.  But that's what you get if you want a super quick test.

 
Wrencrest said:
I am more Republican when it comes to economics and things like the death penalty. But I am very liberal/Democratic with things like freedom of speech and censorship.
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This is pretty much me with the possible exception of the death penalty (I am conflicted on that one) and the normal Republican view on taxes. I do not think lower taxes is always a good thing. The government has to be able to take care of people that truly need to be taken care of and can not do that without taxes to pay for those programs.

 
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It was nice knowing a lot of you people. I'll be seeing you somewhere down the road in the respective party political PSNOT thread once the election is over. Feelings will be hurt and bridges will be burned, we shan't recover.

 
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GatorBeerGeek said:
This is pretty much me with the possible exception of the death penalty (I am conflicted on that one) and the normal Republican view on taxes. I do not think lower taxes is always a good thing. The government has to be able to take care of people that truly need to be taken care of and can not do that without taxes to pay for those programs.
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Your right and even within the economic realm I am not all Republican. I believe we should tax rich people more than poor people.

I do believe we should have some government programs for poor people and others that need help but we dont need so many.

 
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yeah i won't even talk about politics. its not hard to guess what i am.

im all for freedom, whatever the hell that means.

also im doing diablo bounties all day. and some rifts/greater for the hell of it. mild/cain/bums/etc jump on in. im down for power leveling other people too as long as you are post game hopefully

 
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kanamit said:
It was nice knowing a lot of you people. I'll be seeing you somewhere down the road in the respective party political PSNOT thread once the election is over. Bridges will be burned, we shan't recover.
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Pretty sure we got rid of most of the people that get butt hurt over discussions like this already. So we should be good.

 
I've been watching a bit of twitch stream with the witness.  It may very well be god's gift to video games, but it definitely looks like one that no one should bother watching on stream because it is b-o-r-i-n-g to watch other people figure out puzzles.  it also seems to be one of those 'you have zero idea what's going on' games which means if you watch too much of it you may ruin the life changing experience that is Blow's The Witness(tm).

 
MildObstruction said:
I've been watching a bit of twitch stream with the witness. It may very well be god's gift to video games, but it definitely looks like one that no one should bother watching on stream because it is b-o-r-i-n-g to watch other people figure out puzzles. it also seems to be one of those 'you have zero idea what's going on' games which means if you watch too much of it you may ruin the life changing experience that is Blow's The Witness(tm).
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So its as expected. Artsy fartsy hipster puzzle game that Tyler will love, I will hate and it will win all the GOTY awards meanwhile the general gaming public will shun it.

 
hahah remember when kerry lost the election because he was too flip floppy and the swiftboat veterans saying he wasn't as much a war hero as bush. what a crazy world

 
Wrencrest said:
Your right and even within the economic realm I am not all Republican. I believe we should tax rich people more than poor people.

I do believe we should have some government programs for poor people and others that need help but we dont need so many.
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That second sentence is a bit of a tough one for me. The more I think about the options, I like the idea of a flat income tax. I would like to see a rebate for the working poor though. Give them the best opportunity to get out of the bottom.

I see why people think the rich have gained the most due to our system as the reason for taxing them at a higher rate, but I also think it goes against the original American dream. You do better, so you actually make less of what you earn for that is a tough one for me to swallow.

 
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