1/25/11 State of the Union: Pre-game, Post-game, and beyond!!!!

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So by now, the SotU has gone around to a few people and parts have already leaked. The first news is that Obama will propose a 5 year spending freeze on everything except defense.



I will not be watching it, but will watch the R and D response. Then I will drink myself into oblivion to numb the dumbness of it all.
 
Glad I saw this post. Forgot to set my dvr but can do it from the directv website. I teach a late class on Tuesday so it will be over by the time I get home.
 
Every year I don't want to watch, and every year I watch. I can't stand the State of the Union. It's the contact self congratulatory clapping that is non-stop every single god damn year. If it was just the president giving a speech without interruption, I'd gladly watch it.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']Every year I don't want to watch, and every year I watch. I can't stand the State of the Union. It's the contact self congratulatory clapping that is non-stop every single god damn year. If it was just the president giving a speech without interruption, I'd gladly watch it.[/QUOTE]
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I'm looking for good linebacker play and general winning in the trenches from the Republicans. They've got many of those bit players that take a team to the next level, but are seriously lacking those superstars at skill positions that can really elevate their game. From the Dems, you'll see more of the same: a West Coast style offense with quick passing down the middle, a lack of penetration to the outside left and right wings, and an over reliance on their stars to carry the team. The ground and pound game that the Dems brought to the table seems soft this time around and they all around look like a team listlessly waiting for the playoffs.

Special teams looks like the difference maker. The Repubs have feast or famine types trying to answer the Dem star power and they really have the ability to either be shut down coverage or allow the game to become a blow out.

Bold prediction: Dems by 6.
 
I'm starting to understand how tea partiers feel. Maybe we need a liberal equivalent, because at this point I don't really buy democrats as being very liberal anymore. Freeze spending on everything but defense, come on.
 
You gotta hand it to the Republicans, they're all out there saying the EXACT same thing. Discipline baby. This is why Dems suck.
 
[quote name='dohdough']The first news is that Obama will propose a 5 year spending freeze on everything except defense.[/QUOTE]

please let this be bullshit

double dog edit: please dont let me be this stupid
 
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fuck me. Obama just announced the freeze. "We will save $400 billion in the next decade." Oh really? How about that $700 billion tax cut that the top 1% just got for the next decade?

Christ, we've elected Bob Dole.

edit: And then he goes back to talk about the tax cuts being unsutainable.
 
Well I was thrown a bone, he did say basically that we should be cheering people like research scientists and not whoever threw/kicked/ran the ball better than anyone else.

Beyond that, look at these old fuckers falling asleep. fucking hell people, if it's that boring then get up and leave. Or better yet, don't come.
 
I can't wait until they fact check this big eared lying POS.

Its not like this fucker voted to stop the tax cuts. Asshole.

Edit: Look at Europe? Even With those changes, they're still better off than the US. This dude needs to be fact checked with a quickness.
 
[quote name='Clak']fucking hell people, if it's that boring then get up and leave. Or better yet, don't come.[/QUOTE]

I did not see Scalia, Alito, or Thomas there. Just Roberts, Ginsburg, Souter, Kagan, Sotomayor, and the other one who I can't remember at the moment.
 
I have no idea who he was because they only showed him for a second, but whoever he was he was sitting there dead asleep. Yeah I'm not surprised they weren't there though.
 
[quote name='dohdough']I can't wait until they fact check this big eared lying POS.

Its not like this fucker voted to stop the tax cuts. Asshole.

Edit: Look at Europe? Even With those changes, they're still better off than the US. This dude needs to be fact checked with a quickness.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and look at what happened in Canada. Oh wait, they kept tougher regulations on banks and so didn't go through all the shit we did with the financial sector.
 
[quote name='DJSteel']their idea for repealing the healthcare reform bill is patient centered care?? are you serious?[/QUOTE]
Yea. That's kind of exactly what us libs are salty about. The Republicans refuse to put anything on the table of substance. The entire Obama administration has been a bait and switch by Republicans. They'll quietly agree to something then slam the living shit out of it as soon as Democrats raise a vote on it. The only time a Republican has put any actual policy details forward during the last two years, other Republicans immediately walked away from it when it began to be criticized (because it was trash).

Obamacare looks shocking like what Republicans proposed before it all started. Naturally, they hate it.

The Omnibus bill was approved by the House Minority leader and Republican committee members, then filibustered by those same exact people.

You won't get details. Their constituents don't want details. They just want to stop Obama (whatever that means) at all costs.
 
It's shameful to hear the (R) talking heads today treating Obama saying he was open to discussing malpractice reform as a mere crumb tossed towards Republicans. It was the fucking cornerstone of their argument for the entirety of the health care reform debate.

The SOTU was too centrist from my view. Obama is willfully ignoring that Republicans will not give in or concede to anything he proposes that isn't wholesale right-wing policy. So this idea he has of starting from a centrist perspective and then moving further to the right in order to appeal to Republicans who aren't going to vote for his policies anyway is lunacy.
 
[quote name='speedracer']Did anyone catch Bachmann's response? Did she dial it to 11 like I hope?[/QUOTE]
I read the transcript and read somewhere else that she did a great job being a more coherent Palin. The thing was a page long so it couldn't have been more than a few minutes.
 
I liked his State of the Union address. Malpractice reform is the cornerstone of any coherent health care reform so at least he's acknowledging that, even if it's only lip service.

For now, he's out of my "worst president in my lifetime" doghouse. Welcome back, Mr. Bush.
 
[quote name='dohdough']I can't wait until they fact check this big eared lying POS.[/QUOTE]

You only hate the president because you're racist!


I kid because I love, and because at times I can't resist...


Yeah, I voted for Obama in '07 (well, more against the notion that Palin would be anywhere near the white hosue) and I want my money back. I've received no change and I've lost hope. If the republicans put up a decent candidate, I'm curious to see what happens. Of course we all know that they won't and there will be clamoring for Sarah Palin to run in 2016 because everyone knows she can't beat President Obama. At least with McCain we probably would have gotten rid of Gitmo, or at the very least renounced torture and made a decent effort of getting it out of the military altogether.
 
[quote name='speedracer']Yea. That's kind of exactly what us libs are salty about. The Republicans refuse to put anything on the table of substance. The entire Obama administration has been a bait and switch by Republicans. They'll quietly agree to something then slam the living shit out of it as soon as Democrats raise a vote on it. The only time a Republican has put any actual policy details forward during the last two years, other Republicans immediately walked away from it when it began to be criticized (because it was trash).

Obamacare looks shocking like what Republicans proposed before it all started. Naturally, they hate it.

The Omnibus bill was approved by the House Minority leader and Republican committee members, then filibustered by those same exact people.

You won't get details. Their constituents don't want details. They just want to stop Obama (whatever that means) at all costs.[/QUOTE]


you mean like the GOP pushing extremely hard on the tax cut.. even though not passing it would decrease the debt by 20%. Once Obama passes the tax cut, denounce him for his spending.
 
[quote name='DJSteel']you mean like the GOP pushing extremely hard on the tax cut.. even though not passing it would decrease the debt by 20%. Once Obama passes the tax cut, denounce him for his spending.[/QUOTE]

Any money "saved" by eliminating tax cuts would be spent elsewhere. Don't be naive. Obama's foreign policy has been more aggressive than GW's.

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A presidential debate between Ron Paul and Obama would be high comedy. The Republican would make the Democrat look like George W. Bush 2.0. PATRIOT Act? End it. War on Drugs? End it. Afghan war? Over. Iraq war? Over, and for reals. Gitmo? History. Extraordinary rendition? Done. Military Commissions Act? Relic of the past. Telecom immunity? Fat chance.

I'd expect Obama to get more Republican support than Paul.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']I'd expect Obama to get more Republican support than Paul.[/QUOTE]
LOLZ...Obama is Bob Dole.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The SOTU was too centrist from my view. Obama is willfully ignoring that Republicans will not give in or concede to anything he proposes that isn't wholesale right-wing policy. So this idea he has of starting from a centrist perspective and then moving further to the right in order to appeal to Republicans who aren't going to vote for his policies anyway is lunacy.[/QUOTE]

Dude, seriously:

[quote name='IRHari']This is what they think bipartisanship is:


Quote:
Minority Leader Mitch MCCONNELL (R-KY): If the president is willing to do what I and my members would do anyway, we’re not going to say no and –
ALLEN: But that’s not much of a concession. That’s not bargaining, to just give you what you want.
MCCONNELL: Um, I like to think I’m a pretty good negotiator. Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch McConnell
“single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president”
Once again, stay classy.[/QUOTE]
 
He said U.S. engineers gave the nation’s infrastructure a grade of “D,” which is true. That rating was issued by the American Society of Civil Engineers.
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Here is another area where many evil socialist European countries beat us, they spend more money on infrastructure. For example, while most Europeans pay more for electricity than we do, the grid is also better maintained. But this is the U.S., we want everything cheap, who gives a shit about the quality.

I could also comment on the part about corporate taxes, which while high, most likely are helping to keep personal taxes lower than they would be.
 
[quote name='Clak']Here is another area where many evil socialist European countries beat us, they spend more money on infrastructure. For example, while most Europeans pay more for electricity than we do, the grid is also better maintained. But this is the U.S., we want everything cheap, who gives a shit about the quality.

I could also comment on the part about corporate taxes, which while high, most likely are helping to keep personal taxes lower than they would be.[/QUOTE]
I'll take "Race to the Bottom" for $200, Alex.

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We are racing to the bottom, and cheap chinese labor and retailers like wal-mart are helping us along.

I'll now prepare for Wal-Trek 2-The Wrath of Bob.
 
So what happened to America wanting change? Oh, they just wanted a juicy way to end the season finale with a black man winning the presidency? My bad.

This Republican "do it my way, even if I'm the one who proposed the idea" crap needs to stop. The Dems also need to put them on some serious blast. We have so many Republican talking heads without an ounce of anything decent to say. Might as well make this into a real shitshow.
 
Summary of SoTU:

Blah blah mention making great strides and coming together as a nation blah blah pander to members of the other party blah blah pat self on the back again blah blah republican response blah blah democrat response blah blah

continue ad nauseam until 90% of Americans inject themselves straight in the pancreas with pure cane sugar in an attempt to slip into a self induced diabetic coma rather than have to listen to this shit for two hours

Honestly, how the hell anyone can watch this crap and stay awake past the first 10 minutes is beyond me. It's more boring than watching C-Span and that shit's better than dosing up to the eyeballs on Nyquil and allergy meds to knock ya out.
 
Most mainstream Republicans only care about making sure Obama doesn't get reelected. They wont do anything that will make Obama appear like he's getting stuff done or raise his approval rating.

And so it continues. No partisan politician is REALLY interested in solving things, especially at the cost of raising the enemies popularity.

I wonder if things would be better if all political positions were one term. You get one term and one term only to get as much done as you can and you are out.
 
[quote name='Clak']We are racing to the bottom, and cheap chinese labor and retailers like wal-mart are helping us along.[/QUOTE]
The creation of a middle class in China has come at the expense of our middle class and is based on borderline (if not outright) slave labor that would illegal about 10 different ways in America. There's no two ways about it.

But a trend that American economists (and American nationalists like me) have been secretly hoping for for a long time looks like it's coming to fruition.

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Paired with China's stealth currency valuation increase (making them able to afford more American goods), that chart is VERY good news.

Just sayin.
 
That's good, I do ahve to wonder what we're exporting to them though, because historically we haven't had much they want. You may know the asnwer to this, is something considered an import if it's a foreign product, but made domestically? Like say a Nissan that was built in the U.S., is that still considered an imported product basically it's made tehcnically by a foreign company?
 
I was just looking through some apps for my android phone and something dawned on me, and I never really thought about it before. As much credit as Google gets for their services, they don't really invent or innovate much. They didn't create Android, they bought it, google voice was called Grand Central before being bought by google, youtube we all know was bought by google. Google just seems to buy tech that it thinks it can use and then messes wiht it and improves upon it slowly. So really, one of the hottest net based companies in the world doesn't really innovate all that much.

On the other hand, if you have a good program and are looking to sell, google would be a good place to start.
 
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