2008 Republican Convention Thread

Man, I'm gonna kill that guy yelling "AAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYUHHHHHHHHH!" after every fucking sentence.

He sounds like a doofus.
 
Yesterday my cable box kept switching to C-SPAN which was covering it, i think i managed to accidentally see a couple seconds of it.
 
Isn't Lieberman on tonight?

We've been drinking every time we see an African-American in the crowd. I've taken exactly one sip so far.
 
Yeah, so was Thompson and Bush. I only hear the very end of Lieberman's speech, and it didn't sound too loud. But it's to be expected, as my brother said 'I like Lieberman, but there's a lot of hesitation'.
I'm watching the MSNBC coverage, and the guy next to Brokaw made probably the best points: That's that more people are probably going to watch tomorrow than Thursday for Palin's speech (which is kinda what I've thought). Also that Palin does distract the message a bit, but I kinda think that'll take a backseat soon. Don't know how soon though.
 
Thompson clearly made the best speech tonight. The crowd liked what he was saying the whole way through. Makes you wonder why he never sounded like that during his own candidacy.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Am I the only one watching this?[/quote]

Just admit it. You're a closet neo-conservative.

It's like high school... you want to hang out with the cool kids, you want to be part of the winning team... but you just can't find it in your heart to tell your band geek friends to fuck off and get a life.

[quote name='SpazX']I'll watch the daily show about it...[/quote]

Comedy....

it's the best way to flaunt tyranny in your face...

first it gets you to laugh at it...

then it gets you to accept it...
 
I think it was really stupid to have Bush speak at the RNC (even via satellite). The DNC did a great job of painting the McCain=Bush picture with out the "more of the same" talk, and this just gave the Obama campaign more ammo:

The Obama campaign also used a short speech delivered by President Bush via satellite to once again tie McCain to the unpopular president, as it has attempted to do throughout this election season.
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"Tonight, George Bush enthusiastically passed the torch to the man who's earned it by voting with him 90 percent of the time and who will continue this president's legacy for the next four years: his disastrous economic policies, his foreign policy that hasn't made us safer and his misguided war in Iraq that's costing us $10 billion a month," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said.

"The man George Bush needs may be John McCain, but the change America needs is Barack Obama."
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Not that I'm complaining, it's nice to see the republicans making repeated stupid campaign mistakes after suffering through Gore and Kerry's terrible campaigns.
 
I feel bad for everyone at the convention.
I personally like the drill now hard hats.
Those guys are awesome.
 
I will watch tonight to see Sarah Palin's speech. If she does an effective, compassionate, and most importantly believeable mea culpa on a lot of the issues, the American public will forgive whatever perceived follies she may have committed.

I compare it to what many politicians say about drugs and drinking - when they admit it and work to fix it, it's a non-issue. When it's ignored, it's a huge issue.
 
Yes, I will also tune in for Palin's speech. Like how some people watch NASCAR for possible accidents.*






*I do not support NASCAR or recommend anyone watch NASCAR. I am not responsible for anyone who winds up watching NASCAR due to this post.
 
One thing I have to say: the media narrative is extraordinarily powerful.

With the pick of Sarah Palin as the VP candidate, and with much of the media reporting last week, we're lead to believe that the Democratic party is fractured right down the middle, and suffering from a wound caused by the primaries that won't yet heal by the election.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS HAVING TWO CONVENTIONS AT THE SAME TIME IN THE SAME CITY.

Ron Paul is having his own convention, after reporting on CNN that he was allowed at the Republican convention, but only under limited and very controlled conditions.

So he's throwing his own party.

Additionally, the beleaguered Tom DeLay shows up at the convention and causes a shitstorm because the controversy and negativity surrounding his corruption make him a persona non grata. Who wants to be seen on the front page of the paper standing next to someone that corrupt, and expect to help the election?

The POTUS phoned in a 9 minute speech via satellite, unlike Clinton, who was in person, and spoke favorably and passionately about Obama's qualifications.

So the GOP are acting defensive, walking on eggshells, and just making shit up (e.g., "Sarah Palin was vetted/has experience").

Meanwhile, the media narrative isn't focusing on the "fractured" implications of a party having separate conventions, or the fact that some people merely showing up at the GOP convention and causing problems - yet the "party split" narrative centered around two people - Bill and Hillary Clinton - who spoke in high terms and offered unequivocal praise for the very person they're supposed to be opposed to.

What gives, man? Why is the "liberal msm" not acting very liberal? Or even-handed, for that matter?
 
So do you get the majority of your news from TV media coverage? If you do, I honestly question your sanity. I find all TV media full of squabbling and flashy imagery, so it really doesn't appeal to me. But it pretty much is all tv stations do. Controversy through buzz words, flashy images, not much real substance.
 
Yeah, the name of that band had me rolling. "Hookers and Blow" sounds like a George Bush/ Bill Clinton house party.
 
I just hope it's more interesting than the Joementum I sat through last night. Palin and Rudy in the same night should be fun.

Good god, Carly makes me want to throw my TV out the window. The poor schlubs in attendance can't even bring themselves to clap for her.
 
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"Its time for the party of big ideas, not the party of big brother..." Its time for Democrats?

They're bringing back Reaganomics?

The party of the Patriot Act, of domestic warentless wiretapping, of national security letters, of eliminating habeas corpus, isn't the party of Big Brother?
 
The first lady I saw speak tonight should have been shot or somebody should have at least thrown a tomato at her. My friends put your country first, before your party, before your family, before you.
 
Mitt Romney's speaking ability has grown enormously in the last few months. There's no doubt he's running again if McCain loses.
 
saw an ad for this movie while watching the convention
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The "USA! USA! USA!" chants are interesting. Makes me think of Hacksaw Jim Duggan.

Also makes me think of the kind of pablum that comes out of the right wing that implicitly suggests that anyone who isn't Republican isn't a "patriot" or "REAL American."

9iu11iani is talking now. I wish that, like the Democrats who take on enemies that exist (the abuse of power by Republicans, the mistreatment and disinterest in the working classes by the Republicans, the overt favortism for the wealthy by the Republicans), Republicans would identify genuine enemies, instead of fuzzy concepts like "the left wing media" and "liberal Hollywood." Because, trust me, those people who are actually in existing positions of power are far more dangerous than this silly idea that the people who make "Shrek" or "Juno" are a threat to you, your family, and your livelihood.

And yet some of you people BELIEVE that (1) "liberal Hollywood" is real, and (2) it is a genuine threat to you and your country.

Christ.

EDIT: By the by, kids, Thomas is your friend.

http://thomas.loc.gov/

It's an idiot-proof website, easy to search, easy to navigate. Take a look at what Obama has done in the Senate, what McCain has done in the Senate, and what Biden has done in the Senate.

Please do. Please. Select both "McCain" and "Obama" under the "browse bills by sponsor" section. Tell me who is a do-nothing, and who's asleep at the wheel. Also, keep in mind their relative senate experiences in years.

:lol:

EDIT2: That background they're using for 9iu11iani pisses me off so much. How anybody on the face of the earth could have respect for that motherfucker is beyond me.
 
I've got a drinking game for the convention.

Buy a bottle of liquor. Get the $2 airplane size.

Pour a shot and drink it for every nonwhite person you see at the convention.

Let me know if you drink it all.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I've got a drinking game for the convention.

Buy a bottle of liquor. Get the $2 airplane size.

Pour a shot and drink it for every nonwhite person you see at the convention.

Let me know if you drink it all.[/QUOTE]

BRB ::coma::
 
9iu11iani's existence strains credibility.

Saying Sarah Palin has more experience than Barack Obama and Joe Biden combined should make you embarrassed that he got a prominent speaking role at the convention centered around the party you support.

Calling that a "load of shit" gives it a trillion times more credibility than it deserves. And he repeated it twice, so it wasn't a gaffe.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
It's an idiot-proof website, easy to search, easy to navigate. Take a look at what Obama has done in the Senate, what McCain has done in the Senate, and what Biden has done in the Senate.

Please do. Please. Select both "McCain" and "Obama" under the "browse bills by sponsor" section. Tell me who is a do-nothing, and who's asleep at the wheel. Also, keep in mind their relative senate experiences in years.
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I certainly hope you aren't comparing the NUMBER of sponsored bills, because 3/4 of Obama's are ridiculously inane and aren't worthy of a resume. I mean really, I'm not a McCain supporter but you can't really believe Obama is a "do something" politician because of these:

A concurrent resolution honoring the life of Percy Lavon Julian

A concurrent resolution expressing the sense of Congress that a commemorative postage stamp should be issued honoring Rosa Louise McCauley Parks.

A concurrent resolution supporting the goals and ideals of Sickle Cell Disease Awareness Month.

A concurrent resolution commemorating Irena Sendler

A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson.

A resolution designating July 12, 2007, as "National Summer Learning Day".

A resolution honoring and recognizing the achievements of Carl Stokes

A resolution expressing support for the designation of Disability Pride Day

A bill to authorize resources for a grant program for local educational agencies to create innovation districts.

A bill to promote healthy communities.

A bill to provide for sustained United States leadership in a cooperative global effort to prevent nuclear terrorism

A bill to provide procedures for the proper classification of employees and independent contractors, and for other purposes.

A bill to establish nutrition and physical education standards for schools.

To provide $100 million for the Summer Term Education Program

To require the Director of Mathematics, Science, and Engineering Education to establish a program to recruit and provide mentors for women and underrepresented minorities who are interested in careers in mathematics, science, and engineering.

To establish summer term education programs.
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You'll find this resume padding in ANY senator's portfolio. And sponsored bills don't mean shit - especially when 75% of them never even get out of committee. Then more than half of those never get to a floor vote. I think we've discussed the irrelevance of this site before, perhaps four years ago. Bills cannot be summed up in one sentence with any degree of accuracy (c.f., Patriot Act) so reliance on this type of information to judge a Senator's efficacy is folly.

If you just want some stats, try govcheck.us

It's better
 
[quote name='KingBroly']You know, not...really liking the crowd.[/QUOTE]

whaddya mean?

As for Palin, she has good composure, but to say her speech lacks substance is akin to saying the PS3 was a tad overpriced at launch.

I wonder if she tried to claim that she opposed the "bridge to nowhere," since it's VERY well documented that she looked for $392 million in federal funds for it.

EDIT: bmug, it's just one proxy of activity as a senator. That McCain has DECADES more experience and 1/4th the number is telling; not the entire story, sure, but it's not something to flippantly write off as you try to do. Unless you're practicing cognitive dissonance exercises so you can hold your nose to vote for McCain in November.
 
The crowd seems a bit too rabid for my liking.

Palin is coming across as sort of a normal, common person (Which I think is a good thing). I'll have to check if a few lines came on the fly. They seemed...odd.
 
I have to say, she's doing a lot better than I expected. I'm sure much of her speech is ad libed, gives it a more natural flow.

The VP debate should be interesting.
 
[quote name='dopa345']I'm sure much of her speech is ad libed[/QUOTE]

libbed.

That said, I hope you don't truly believe ANY of these people ad lib their speeches to any great length.
 
So I listened to about a half hour and she had yet to make any statement of substance I got bored and turned it off. I particularly liked the whole let me tell you what a mayor does, took a jab at Obama and then didn't say what a mayor does in a small town (pretty much nothing). I'm sure the media will talk about how great the speech is though.

And, what the hell is she wearing?

O and for the ad libbing, the whole thing was already written and sent to the media. The AP even posted their article before she finished with direct quotes:
Edit: the link was updated with a real article, but you could read quotes well before she went on stage.
 
[quote name='dopa345']I have to say, she's doing a lot better than I expected. I'm sure much of her speech is ad libed.[/quote]


you might have missed the teleprompter in front of her displaying the speech.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']

EDIT: bmug, it's just one proxy of activity as a senator. That McCain has DECADES more experience and 1/4th the number is telling; not the entire story, sure, but it's not something to flippantly write off as you try to do. Unless you're practicing cognitive dissonance exercises so you can hold your nose to vote for McCain in November.[/QUOTE]

Exactly my point, myke, that you can't rely on any one source, especially this one, for an objective judgement.

You really thin McCain has only sponsored 38 bills in his career - ALL from 2007 to present ?

Not likely.

[quote name='Govtrack.US']
John McCain has sponsored 537 bills since Jan 21, 1993, of which 340 haven't made it out of committee and 31 were successfully enacted. McCain has co-sponsored 1230 bills during the same time period. [/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='happy']So I listened to about a half hour and she had yet to make any statement of substance I got bored and turned it off. I particularly liked the whole let me tell you what a mayor does, took a jab at Obama and then didn't say what a mayor does in a small town (pretty much nothing). I'm sure the media will talk about how great the speech is though.

And, what the hell is she wearing?

O and for the ad libbing, the whole thing was already written and sent to the media. The AP even posted their article before she finished with direct quotes:
http://news.yahoo.com/story//ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_convention_rdp[/quote]


Probably to make sure she didn't look too much like a Beauty Queen like in some photos circling around the internet.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']libbed.

That said, I hope you don't truly believe ANY of these people ad lib their speeches to any great length.[/QUOTE]

any.

Okay, my mistake, so it's a completely canned speech. Either way, it's still better than I would have expected. More entertaining than most of the speeches so far in either convention. Not enough to swing me back to vote Republican this election, but she might not be as much the lightweight I had initially thought.
 
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