2008 Republican Convention Thread

[quote name='KingBroly']Probably to make sure she didn't look too much like a Beauty Queen like in some photos circling around the internet.[/quote]

My guess was that it protects from the wind in Alaska, wind hurts when it's cold.
 
[quote name='happy']My guess was that it protects from the wind in Alaska, wind hurts when it's cold.[/quote]

But that's contradicted by the fact that she wore a skirt.
 
Jesus. How do these people still pass off the "We respect war veterans" schtick after completely eviscerating one with utter fabrications four years ago? I mean, fuck -- I though we all *knew* they were full of shit, yet they still try to float BS like, "Only one man has actually *fought* for you."
 
I'm glad I switched over to The Daily Show. The second segment of the night was one of the most biting, witty, Republican-self-incrimination segments I've seen in AGES.

Just beautiful.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm glad I switched over to The Daily Show. The second segment of the night was one of the most biting, witty, Republican-self-incrimination segments I've seen in AGES.

Just beautiful.[/quote]

I saw that too. Those were brillient.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm glad I switched over to The Daily Show. The second segment of the night was one of the most biting, witty, Republican-self-incrimination segments I've seen in AGES.

Just beautiful.[/quote]

Which is why I watch them for my convention coverage :p
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm glad I switched over to The Daily Show. The second segment of the night was one of the most biting, witty, Republican-self-incrimination segments I've seen in AGES.

Just beautiful.[/quote]

I look forward to watching it when I wake up tomorrow.

Online TV the next morning is wonderful.
 
Well, at least it's over.

I'm still trying to wash out Guilliani's speech about how McCain will make government smaller and lower my taxes. He's one helluv an actor.

C-Span is again inundated with calls from Ron Paul supporters commenting on the nights spectacle. His rally was much more substantive and sincere. AND, as Paul points out, not subsidized by any taxpayer dollars.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Well, at least it's over.

I'm still trying to wash out Guilliani's speech about how McCain will make government smaller and lower my taxes. He's one helluv an actor.

C-Span is again inundated with calls from Ron Paul supporters commenting on the nights spectacle. His rally was much more substantive and sincere. AND, as Paul points out, not subsidized by any taxpayer dollars.[/QUOTE]

PUMA!

;)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm glad I switched over to The Daily Show. The second segment of the night was one of the most biting, witty, Republican-self-incrimination segments I've seen in AGES.

Just beautiful.[/QUOTE]

For all the bitching about Fox News here which is right leaning, the daily show alone balances it out with it's liberal views. I mean they always endorse a Democrat so go figure. Never mind CNN, MSNBC, the NY Times, Washington Post, Colbert Report, : deep breath: LA Times, Air America, CBS, NBC, ABC, Comedy Central, Channel 13, Newsweek, AOL, ah what's the point I'll only get flamed. :)

And that was only media, never mind most Universities or Hollywood.

Anyway, I did love her line about his two books but not one law being passed. Sums Obama up pretty well.
 
What was the point of all of those delegates voting for Ron Paul?
Do they really think just by doing that, they're going to get Ron Paul supporters? They must be retarded.
 
[quote name='Autumn Star']What was the point of all of those delegates voting for Ron Paul?
Do they really think just by doing that, they're going to get Ron Paul supporters? They must be retarded.[/QUOTE]

Just like electoral votes, they must be cast as they were voted by each state. Now, states differ with either "whole" or "proportionate" voting. In the case of the latter, every person on the primary ticket gets that % of that state's delegated votes. So if McCain got 30%, Paul 10%, 9iu11iani 40%, and Romney 30%, they'd get 3, 1, 4, and 3 votes each (for a hypothetical state that has 10 delegates).

It's formality at this point, but a formality that is honored.

[quote name='jputahraptor']For all the bitching about Fox News here which is right leaning, the daily show alone balances it out with it's liberal views. I mean they always endorse a Democrat so go figure. Never mind CNN, MSNBC, the NY Times, Washington Post, Colbert Report, : deep breath: LA Times, Air America, CBS, NBC, ABC, Comedy Central, Channel 13, Newsweek, AOL, ah what's the point I'll only get flamed. :)

And that was only media, never mind most Universities or Hollywood.

Anyway, I did love her line about his two books but not one law being passed. Sums Obama up pretty well.[/QUOTE]

Feel free to comment once again. Now that I have your opinion without you having *seen* the clip, go to the Daily Show archives on comedy central's website and view it for yourself.

And, lastly, kudos for your ability to get out nearly 65% of all generic, paranoid, and incorrect Republican "THEY'RE ALL AGAINST US!!!!" talking points in one post. Your ability to use so many words to say so very little is a deed that doesn't go unnoticed.
 
I didn't make it too Palin's speech. I turned it on for about 5 minutes and when Steele had the crowd chanting "drill baby drill" I couldn't take it any more and turned it off and watched some Heroes Season 2 on DVD instead.

I'll read a transcript of the speech tomorrow.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Just like electoral votes, they must be cast as they were voted by each state. Now, states differ with either "whole" or "proportionate" voting. In the case of the latter, every person on the primary ticket gets that % of that state's delegated votes. So if McCain got 30%, Paul 10%, 9iu11iani 40%, and Romney 30%, they'd get 3, 1, 4, and 3 votes each (for a hypothetical state that has 10 delegates).

It's formality at this point, but a formality that is honored.[/quote]
Ah, I see. I suppose that makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
For her audience, I think Sarah Palin performed well and told them what they wanted to hear.

For everyone outside her audience, I think they will see her as an arrogant attack dog.
 
I wonder if during McCain's speech the media will stand and applaud like they did during Obama's speech.

Palin's speech was like a saying what some are thinking speech. She probably impressed more than people thought she would, as some were targeting her as pretty dumb. Whether or not people agree with what she said is another story. People who think she's the first one to say anything hurtful about another candidate during the campaign has also been daydreaming.

For me, she seemed like someone who gets it (what Washington is about) and maybe that's all a lot of people wanted to hear.
 
The more I think about it, and glimpsing a transcript of Palin's speech, it hit me what her speech made me think of.

It came off as a political version of a Henny Youngman routine. Or, to make a comparison in the more recent half of the last century, like she was playing The Dozens with someone.

It was chock full of one-liners that seemed to be of the sort that should require cheers of "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH!!!!", "DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!" and the like, with perhaps those two guys from "White Chicks" serving as surrogates in the backdrop of how to react.

Which is fine to a degree, because Biden's speech was largely the attack speech.

But she spent precious little time demonstrating why she was qualified, what she would bring to the ticket, or to allay fears that she and her family are blithering hypocritical idiots who want to shred the constitution and ban books from your library the way she tried to do as mayor of Alaska.

Instead, she seemed to be more interested in "Harry Reid's momma sooo fat..."
 
At least one UK media outlet thought her speech was "stunning" and "popped Obama's Balloon". How much that is true, or not, is likely dependent on how much you love Obama and hate Republicans (as witnessed by preliminary posting in this thread). But I find it a lot more interesting what the foreign media thinks, since what they think of us seems so important to so many today.

Edit: Also, Clinton aides: media coverage of her has been sexist. "Unlikely allies"
 
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[quote name='jputahraptor']For all the bitching about Fox News here which is right leaning, the daily show alone balances it out with it's liberal views. I mean they always endorse a Democrat so go figure. . .[/QUOTE]

But at least Stewart is funny and doesn't pretend to be an "objective" observer of the news. Well, okay, he DOES pretend to be, but that's the joke about the regular "news" media and the whole purpose of the Daily Show.

He even gets off telling the mainstream media to get it's head out of it's ass on a regular basis, outside of his farcical program, and they all think he's just being comedic. I'm sorry I missed it last night. Guess I'll have to try Hulu later and catch up.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']The party of the Patriot Act, of domestic warentless wiretapping, of national security letters, of eliminating habeas corpus, isn't the party of Big Brother?[/quote]

You better believe it ... or else.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']At least one UK media outlet thought her speech was "stunning" and "popped Obama's Balloon". How much that is true, or not, is likely dependent on how much you love Obama and hate Republicans (as witnessed by preliminary posting in this thread). But I find it a lot more interesting what the foreign media thinks, since what they think of us seems so important to so many today.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone expected her to be as composed as she was. She gives great speech, though I personally found it a little lacking. The knocks on Obama aside, there just wasn't much there.

She's quite comfortable with the out-in-front attack style. Having the stage to yourself and doing it is one thing, but trying to get away with that standing next to Joe Biden is going to be a different game entirely.
 
[quote name='speedracer']I don't think anyone expected her to be as composed as she was. She gives great speech, though I personally found it a little lacking. The knocks on Obama aside, there just wasn't much there.

She's quite comfortable with the out-in-front attack style. Having the stage to yourself and doing it is one thing, but trying to get away with that standing next to Joe Biden is going to be a different game entirely.[/quote]
QFT
I think thats where she is gonna get hit hard. Her speech was so full of "Preaching to the choir" moments that it took away from what she was trying to prove. That's not gonna work in a debate. I dont care if your some Hockey mom pittbull hybrid, how are you gonna fix what is broken?
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']At least one UK media outlet thought her speech was "stunning" and "popped Obama's Balloon". How much that is true, or not, is likely dependent on how much you love Obama and hate Republicans (as witnessed by preliminary posting in this thread). But I find it a lot more interesting what the foreign media thinks, since what they think of us seems so important to so many today.

Edit: Also, Clinton aides: media coverage of her has been sexist. "Unlikely allies"[/QUOTE]

Man you really are the most biased sack of crap on any site of ever been to. Seriously I post at several political boards and you just take the cake. Every last post of yours is attacking the left and building the right.....yet again you claim to not be Republican. Well guess what....stop hiding behind the word Libertarian or whatever it is you claim to be.

I watched her speech, and Romneys, and Guilianis and Thompsons and even a lot of the little guys. And guess what. They freaking sucked. It has nothing to do with left or right, it has to do with simple facts. The democratic speeches for the most part were disappointing because they did lower themselves a peg and toss a few softball attacks at Republicans. And there was a lack of detail in the plans they were laying forth. But Palin, Romney and the others speeches were nothing but attacks, accusations of sexism and screaming drill, jihad and terrorist. They touched on the economy maybe twice the whole night, I cant recall hearing about the middle class once and there was nothing about other important issues such as building unity with the other party and other nations to achieve what needs to be done. 90% of not just her speech but every speech was attack after attack after attack on Obama, "liberals" and the media.

I criticized Obamas speech, and Obama as a whole has alot of faults as does Biden(he supports the RIAA and lawsuits and monitoring online!). But atleast they are dealing with the issues some of the time. The Republicans are just repeating what Bush did to win....trying to scare the electorate making this seem like the most dangerous time ever when facts are outside a few troubled regions we are living in the most prosperous safe times ever. And trying to isolate and attack the other party through vicious attacks many of which are lies.

And this whole Sexism thing is stupid. A few media outlets posted a story on if she was ready to have a family and be the VP which is sexist and stupid. But all the other questions are perfectly legit. If you claim abstinence only and your kid gets knocked up....that's just a poster child moment. Its also a legit story because it with the corruption scandals and people like Librarians and police chiefs speaking up on being fired for horrible reasons raise questions of if she was vetted. Its sad that people like you are now crying sexism and trying to play the moderate where when Obama was attacked for months and Michelle for the last damn year few people even on the left were calling racism and sexism. We didnt because we knew it was stupid, we didnt because we knew it was the media just trying to get a good story.

So do us all a favor. Drop the act and go rub McCain and the rights back. We know you love not just the man but the whole party. Or you atleast have so much hate and bile in you towards the left that you allow that to make a complete jack ass out of yourself with every post. Like I said anyone with a brain and thats fair can see the Democratic speach was lacking, but it discussed the economy, the energy crisis, rebuilding our place in the world and even trying to heal with Republicans. The Reps just attacked the left and those that disagree with them and said drill, drill, drill, jihad, drill, terrorist and j00 all gonna die if liberalz in Washington!(while also claiming that liberals run Washington currently....yet we are safe?).
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']^ Such anger.[/QUOTE]

Damn straight. Heh not really. I hate people far to the right or left, but especially hate whenever they try to play Mr Moderate or hide what party they are a member of by claiming to be Green or the flavor of the moment Libertarian. Im not really upset in real life, but do think the guy is a two face that pretends he is something he is not.
 
[quote name='chasemurata']For her audience, I think Sarah Palin performed well and told them what they wanted to hear.

For everyone outside her audience, I think they will see her as an arrogant attack dog.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that's why McCain choosing her is so baffling. On top of all the other problems, she really only appeals to the core, socially conservative republican base. And those people weren't voting for Obama anyway.

If any thing the choice of Palin is going to lose him votes from independents, moderate repubs/dems who are in the fence etc. And that's were elections are won or lost in this day and age of super close elections.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I've got a drinking game for the convention.

Buy a bottle of liquor. Get the $2 airplane size.

Pour a shot and drink it for every nonwhite person you see at the convention.

Let me know if you drink it all.[/quote]

On Cnn they said there were 40 african American delegates......40!
 
[quote name='homeland']On Cnn they said there were 40 african American delegates......40![/QUOTE]

If you really want to get buzzed you play it 1 of 2 ways my friend does. Take a shot either every time they say the word Reagan or every time they attack the opposite party.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']If you really want to get buzzed you play it 1 of 2 ways my friend does. Take a shot either every time they say the word Reagan or every time they attack the opposite party.[/QUOTE]

Drill would be an even better word to use for that purpose.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Drill would be an even better word to use for that purpose.[/QUOTE]

Drill would indeed be another great word if you really wanted to get shit faced. Hell Palin alone said drill like 80 times during her speach. The funny thing is most of them cant say drill once they have to say drill drill drill.

Anyways. The associated press ran a fact check on the speaches last night. It shows why I say that people praising her speach are biased morons. It was just attacks and lies.

Here is the article.

ST. PAUL, Minn. - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.
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Some examples:

PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."

THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."

PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform — not even in the state senate."

THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.

PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."

THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.

Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.

He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.

MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.

THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state — by population.

MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.

THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.

FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."

THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.

FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right — change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington — throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."

THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.
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I find it funny that John McCain says he will pay for the war in Iraq, tons of tax cuts and all sorts of other stuff by vetoing pork barrel spending....then chooses a VP thats got the highest per capita in the nation pork barrel spending requests.
 
I usually stay away from political topics because most posters follow their party with blind faith and no amount of reason or common sense play any factor, but i decided to take mykevermin's suggestion
and watch the Daily Show recap of the RNC 9/3 show.

I have never seen this show and must say, I have never laughed so hard at a TV show im my life. That senator Foghorn and Droopy bit had my sides hurting.
Great stuff
 
My favorite part of Palin's speech (other than Piper's Palm-ade moment), was the "homemade" Hockey Mom and other signs that went up at precisely the right moment for Palin to say, "I see my hockey moms are here tonight." But turns out every single one of them was lovingly crafted by a McCain staffer and passed out right before the speech.

Also enjoyed Rudy kvetching because the Dems don't mention 9/11 enough (you'd think he'd be pretty jealous if they did....After all that's HIS legacy) and getting his panties in a twist over the fact that the Dems simply refuse to preface every mention of terrorism with the word "Islamic." Surely, they are hiding something!

Ignoring the ridiculousness of this on its face, it overlooks the fact that the Atlanta Olympic bombing, the Anthrax attacks, the Oklahoma City bombing, the work of the Unabomber, the bombing of abortion clinics, and numerous other atrocities were committed by good 'ol homegrown terrorists.

Also ignores the fact that before W was in office, Al Quaida was operating in 4 countries (and none of those were Iraq)...And now they're in 60. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
 
[quote name='Khondor']I usually stay away from political topics because most posters follow their party with blind faith and no amount of reason or common sense play any factor, but i decided to take mykevermin's suggestion
and watch the Daily Show recap of the RNC 9/3 show.

I have never seen this show and must say, I have never laughed so hard at a TV show im my life. That senator Foghorn and Droopy bit had my sides hurting.
Great stuff[/QUOTE]

Heh cant believe you have never seen the show. Daily Show and the show that comes on after it Colbert Report are both great shows. Funny thing is people like to portray it far to the left but they seem to do a fairly good job lampooning the left and the right, they allow anyone to come on the show and cover all issues. I think they are one of the fairest sources around(especially when you look at stuff like fox news or groups like moveon)and better yet they dont seriously cover crap like the Obama/Hillary split in serious ways like the normal media.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']So...do you have a link from an AP article discussing the facts of Democrat Convention speeches?[/QUOTE]

There are almost no "facts" brought up at conventions.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']So...do you have a link from an AP article discussing the facts of Democrat Convention speeches?[/QUOTE]

I didnt see one. But at the same time the DNC didnt have as many outragous claims and flat out lies ;)
They stretched the truth alot and had a few ugly attacks that probally wernt fair.....but they didnt just make shit up and reverse their records like the Republicans did.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']So...do you have a link from an AP article discussing the facts of Democrat Convention speeches?[/QUOTE]

Well, we tried to talk about some of Obama's numbers in the thread you created until you started making stuff up.
 
[quote name='greydt']Well, we tried to talk about some of Obama's numbers in the thread you created until you started making stuff up.[/QUOTE]

That thread was hilarious.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']So...do you have a link from an AP article discussing the facts of Democrat Convention speeches?[/quote]

For the second time in a week I find myself kinda sorta agreeing with thrust (God, someone check me into a clinic) in that conventions are about pretty much everything BUT facts. That said, last night was a woefully sorry amalgamation of lies and dissemination meant to distract from Palin's utter lack of qualifications and participation in the same sort of pork barrel grubbing she's supposed to save us from.

I don't know what McCain's speech will include tonight, but I know Obama's was almost entirely about his hopes and aspirations for this country and specifics on what he intends to deliver as president, so not really something you can fact check.
 
[quote name='Tybee']

I don't know what McCain's speech will include tonight, but I know Obama's was almost entirely about his hopes and aspirations for this country and specifics on what he intends to deliver as president, so not really something you can fact check.[/QUOTE]

I'd expect something very similar from McCain.

Lots of hot air and hype. But I guess that's ok if you think about it. These conventions are for the true believers. The whole point is to get them whipped into a frenzy. Their point really isn't to explain why they are the best for the job, I think the debates are more for that.
 
I'd attribute a lot of that number to morbid curiosity, considering that other than Gustav, she's the only thing that's been in the news for the last 6 days.

Incidentally, Obama pulled down 38.5 million if you count the 100k or so in the stadium. Will be interesting to see McCain's number. Why do I keep having this vision of him actually keeling over mid-speech?
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']^Moon over Parador.[/quote]

But where oh where will they find someone as pasty, troll-like, and cancer-ridden as McCain?

My prediction for McCain's audience size: 100 billion dollars, I mean, people.
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Watching last night, I'd never seen so many white bankers high-fiving in my life.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']37,244,000 people watched that speech last night. McCain gets 30,000,000 tops.[/quote]
maybe football season starts tonight and if tonight is anything like last night my time is better spent watching my redskins play
 
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