2008 Republican Convention Thread

I finally listened to Palin's Speech while playing the Necronomicon. I had to recreate the same situation when I was listening to Barack's speech.

That was painful to endure.

I noticed how she was harping on Obama being a community organizer 20 years ago.

What was she doing 20 years ago? That's right. Bouncing between colleges and doing beauty pageants.

Since I won't have time to waste on Biden's speech, was he claiming McCain was plagarizing speeches 20 years ago?

What was John McCain doing 20 years back? That's right. He was joining a basketball team: the Keating Five.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I think it showed that, when it comes to "zingers" and attack politics, nobody can beat the Republicans.
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I find it amazing you can watch the democrat convention speeches with blinders that prevent you from witnessing their keen zinging skills, and the fact that each speech, in their entirety, were attacks on republicans and their ideas.

Let's see, of the top of my head there's:

Republicans want to-
steal your social security
take away your job
tax you, make you poor, and give your money to the rich
take away your home and make you sleep on the street
poison you and make you sick
refuse you medical care
refuse you an education
take away your daycare
kill your children
spy on your phonecalls and sexual practices
refuse to give anything to you for free like all of the above
And, in closing, Republicans want to kill you and dance on your corpse.

That about sums up the democrat tactical outline of campaigning.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']I find it amazing you can watch the democrat convention speeches with blinders that prevent you from witnessing their keen zinging skills, and the fact that each speech, in their entirety, were attacks on republicans and their ideas.

Let's see, of the top of my head there's:

Republicans want to-
steal your social security
take away your job
tax you, make you poor, and give your money to the rich
take away your home and make you sleep on the street
poison you and make you sick
refuse you medical care
refuse you an education
take away your daycare
kill your children
spy on your phonecalls and sexual practices
refuse to give anything to you for free like all of the above
And, in closing, Republicans want to kill you and dance on your corpse.

That about sums up the democrat tactical outline of campaigning.[/QUOTE]

What a biased load. The Dems speach dealt with the Economy, energy, repairing foreign relations and many other things. McCains speach wasnt bad but every otehr Rep just attacked the dems over and over and over and over when they wernt screaming terrorism, jihad and drill drill drill.

The Dems speach was far from good, but what you say makes you either horribly biased or shows you didnt listen to their speaches.
 
The one zinger I remember from the Democratic convention was from Kaine (VA) making a line about McCain's 7 houses. I forget the details. I agree that what bmulligan said was a bit much, and tried to make it sound outlandish intentionally but I did hear a few of those things like privatizing social security is evil (even though Congressmen have private control over their SS) and non-Government run health care is bad.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']The one zinger I remember from the Democratic convention was from Kaine (VA) making a line about McCain's 7 houses. I forget the details. I agree that what bmulligan said was a bit much, and tried to make it sound outlandish intentionally but I did hear a few of those things like privatizing social security is evil (even though Congressmen have private control over their SS) and non-Government run health care is bad.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Thats one issue I definitely agree with conservatives on and it pisses me off that Dems refuse to budge.....yet dont really offer a debate as to why its a horrible idea.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']What a biased load. The Dems speach dealt with the Economy, energy, repairing foreign relations and many other things. McCains speach wasnt bad but every otehr Rep just attacked the dems over and over and over and over when they wernt screaming terrorism, jihad and drill drill drill.

The Dems speach was far from good, but what you say makes you either horribly biased or shows you didnt listen to their speaches.[/QUOTE]

They do want to do many of the things listed, they attempted to kill Social Security and while an expanded healthcare bill was passed it was slanted to help out drug companies more than people. The only time prince manages to be right is when he thinks he is making a zinger.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']I find it amazing you can watch the democrat convention speeches with blinders that prevent you from witnessing their keen zinging skills, and the fact that each speech, in their entirety, were attacks on republicans and their ideas.

Let's see, of the top of my head there's:

Republicans want to-
steal your social security
take away your job
tax you, make you poor, and give your money to the rich
take away your home and make you sleep on the street
poison you and make you sick
refuse you medical care
refuse you an education
take away your daycare
kill your children
spy on your phonecalls and sexual practices
refuse to give anything to you for free like all of the above
And, in closing, Republicans want to kill you and dance on your corpse.

That about sums up the democrat tactical outline of campaigning.[/QUOTE]

YOu know between Palin and Mccain I haven't heard them say too much of anything to refute those claims, McCain says he knows how to Win wars... well hell, to win a war, someone has to die... "Kill your children"

Refuse medical care, - well Mccain definitely isn't supporting nation Healthcare, so guess that leaves out someone. and for that matter, he was against signing for the G.I. to help his former comrades - Vetrans get proper health care, but at least Obama addressed it in his speech.

I'm sure if I lose my home, McCain will allow me to spend a couple of nights in one of his seven...


I guess everyone has to follow the money, the top money makers in the US follow the republicans, because thats where their tax relief comes from, for the rest of us, its Obama that's promising for the other 98 percent of us. Tell I'm not in the top two, I'm in the 98th percentile, hell I got my job, I'll take the money myself.... I rather not wait for the crumbs to fall off the table.
 
Listening to McCain's speech now...

So, I should just accept that my job will be outsourced? It is inevitable?

How about not diverting my taxes to large corporate farms so they can export food?

Great, he's going to commit us to Georgia. Why should I care?

"We can't turn a blind eye to aggression and international lawlessness that threatens the peace and stability of the world and the security of the American people."

Umm. By invading Iraq, didn't that cause the price of oil to skyrocket? Didn't a higher price in oil give oil exporters such as Russia more money in their pockets?

Does he say "My Friends" as some sort of nervous tick?

Christ, he's going on about Vietnam again.

LOL. If I'm not happy with your government, I should enlist? Uh, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't enjoy going overseas multiple times to prop up a government I don't support.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']You're tying conservative to republican like it's the same thing, which isn't the case./QUOTE]

Close enough. You would think after that the 5th or so time those poor poor conservatives were "corrupted" you would get a clue.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']You're tying conservative to republican like it's the same thing, which isn't the case.[/QUOTE]

Close enough. You would think after that the 5th or so time those poor poor conservatives were "corrupted" you would get a clue.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Listening to McCain's speech now...

So, I should just accept that my job will be outsourced? It is inevitable?

How about not diverting my taxes to large corporate farms so they can export food?

Great, he's going to commit us to Georgia. Why should I care?

"We can't turn a blind eye to aggression and international lawlessness that threatens the peace and stability of the world and the security of the American people."

Umm. By invading Iraq, didn't that cause the price of oil to skyrocket? Didn't a higher price in oil give oil exporters such as Russia more money in their pockets?

Does he say "My Friends" as some sort of nervous tick?

Christ, he's going on about Vietnam again.

LOL. If I'm not happy with your government, I should enlist? Uh, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't enjoy going overseas multiple times to prop up a government I don't support.[/QUOTE]

His speech was pretty dull and full of rhetoric....but at least it wasn't like Palins where 80% of it was just attacking Obama. The one thing that really irked me though was that he kept talking about bringing change. Kinda pisses me off that Obama adopted the message of change and since then McCain has tried as hard as he can to steal that message. Thing that cracks me up the most was early on Republicans were up in arms with the message of why should we change everything is going great.....now they are cheering for that message. Dont get me wrong if Dems were on the loosing end of the stick they would cheer for whatever their canidate is saying. But the Reps are really being sheep right now.....
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Agreed. Thats one issue I definitely agree with conservatives on and it pisses me off that Dems refuse to budge.....yet dont really offer a debate as to why its a horrible idea.[/quote]

Privatizing Social Security is a great idea IF you hand all of the money over to the worker. I can invest my money much better than how Social Security does it (IOUs).

However, the GWB gubmint plan was to play the stock market for me. Thanks, but I don't really want a bureaucrat who couldn't cut it in the real world as an investment banker bouncing my money around Wall Street.

Here's a good idea: give everybody an option to opt out of Social Security. If I opt out, put it on my paycheck tax free. I can buy disability insurance, life insurance and put more money into retirement on my own.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I watched about 5 minutes of his speech. I have no idea what he was saying because I was too distracted at the really shitty presentation of the green screen behind him. On the close up camera, it was green with weird blobs moving around. When the camera switched to a wide shot, it was some pretty picture. The camera kept switching around and the green screen changed scenes, or lost scenes. It was amazingly annoying. I don't know if it was just NBC or the convention itself, but that's the only channel I had.[/quote]

[quote name='HowStern']Pretty big mistake he made by saying Adam Kokesh (the Iraq vet protestor) was "static and ground noise."

Although, we shouldn't be surprised, given his voting record[/quote]

Speaking of mistakes...

Looks like that picture that resulted in a repeat of McCain's unfortunate green screen moment was a complete bungle by McCain's staff in more ways than one. When cameras pulled back, viewers could see a fancy looking building that no one could identify. It appears they had wanted to show Walter Reed Medical Center to emphasize McCain's empathy for wounded veterans, but instead, some campaign flack got confused and found a pic of Walter Reed MIDDLE SCHOOL in Calif. and threw that up there instead.

Oops.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/213806.php

Bet he’s wishing he’d gone with columns after all.
 
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[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Privatizing Social Security is a great idea IF you hand all of the money over to the worker. I can invest my money much better than how Social Security does it (IOUs).

However, the GWB gubmint plan was to play the stock market for me. Thanks, but I don't really want a bureaucrat who couldn't cut it in the real world as an investment banker bouncing my money around Wall Street.

Here's a good idea: give everybody an option to opt out of Social Security. If I opt out, put it on my paycheck tax free. I can buy disability insurance, life insurance and put more money into retirement on my own.[/QUOTE]

OK, but don't come crying to me when your investments don't work out and you don't have enough money for retirement. I can't tell you how many people I've met who bitched their whole lives about having to pay into the "socialist" security system, that the money was theirs, that they would know what to do with it, etc., only to have nada when they are old. What do they do then? They rely on social security, that's what.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']You remember all the flak that Edwards got for his expensive haircuts? Well, while this isn't about John McCain, it does gvie you an idea of how "in touch" his family is.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080905/ap_en_ot/cvn_gop_fashion

His wife's $313,00 set of clothes and jewelry.[/QUOTE]

In fairness to Cindy, that represents a lower percentage of her net worth than the shorts, ripped t-shirt, and flip-flops do of the bubba buying a pack of smokes at the local 7-11.
 
[quote name='sgs89']In fairness to Cindy, that represents a lower percentage of her net worth than the shorts, ripped t-shirt, and flip-flops do of the bubba buying a pack of smokes at the local 7-11.[/quote]

Which is why I support a flat tax!
 
[quote name='sgs89']OK, but don't come crying to me when your investments don't work out and you don't have enough money for retirement. I can't tell you how many people I've met who bitched their whole lives about having to pay into the "socialist" security system, that the money was theirs, that they would know what to do with it, etc., only to have nada when they are old. What do they do then? They rely on social security, that's what.[/quote]

Of all of these people, how many made a budget?

You can write down all of your monthly expenses and cut back until you have a sizable profit every month.

If you live on 90% of your income, invest 10% of your income in relatively safe investments with a 7% rate of return after inflation, you'll have 13.5 times your annual income saved after 30 years.

If you live on 80% of your income and do the same as above in terms of investments, you'll have 10 times your annual income saved after 20 years.

Once you have 10 times your annual income saved, everything after that is icing on the cake.

Did these people know that? Did you?
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']it was after the first football game of the season[/QUOTE]

i know, it would have been way higher if it wasnt for the boring 2nd half.
 
You have to figure too that Republicans have 3 things going for them with ratings though.

1. Republicans tend to be more educated and higher income. This isnt to say that Republicans are smarter then liberals(nor dumber)but statistics have shown time and again that they are both.

2. Republicans tend to pay more attention to politics and vote.

3. Republicans tend to be older so more likely to watch something like a convention where Dems are younger and poorer thus less likely.
 
McCain's faux sincerity is hard to watch. Did he even read the damn speech before delivering it? Every 12 seconds he had the most annoying pauses and disjointedness in mid sentence that made it hard to follow. It made it even harder to believe the words were his own. Jesus, you'd think he'd be getting better coaching or at least be better practiced at this point in the game.

Listening him chant about he was going to "fight for us" in Washington has to be the most hackneyed slogan in politics, especially coming from someone who should have been fighting for us for the last 25 years he was in fucking Washington. It immediately brought back memories of Al Gore vowing to "fight for us" at his convention 8 years ago. How do people buy into this crap? Is there some hypnotic carrier wave broadcasting during television broadcasts that make everyone stupid ? Apparently so.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']You have to figure too that Republicans have 3 things going for them with ratings though.

1. Republicans tend to be more educated and higher income. This isnt to say that Republicans are smarter then liberals(nor dumber)but statistics have shown time and again that they are both.

2. Republicans tend to pay more attention to politics and vote.

3. Republicans tend to be older so more likely to watch something like a convention where Dems are younger and poorer thus less likely.[/QUOTE]

1. No. You're dead wrong on education. Dead fucking wrong.

2. Prove it.

3. Well, FOX News does take the cake amongst older listeners, and there must be a reason that conservative talk radio thrives while liberal radio dies despite the general attitude of the public being against the Bush administration. I'd chalk it up to talk/AM radio being an "older demographic" tech thing.

[quote name='bmulligan']McCain's faux sincerity is hard to watch. Did he even read the damn speech before delivering it? Every 12 seconds he had the most annoying pauses and disjointedness in mid sentence that made it hard to follow. It made it even harder to believe the words were his own. Jesus, you'd think he'd be getting better coaching or at least be better practiced at this point in the game.

Listening him chant about he was going to "fight for us" in Washington has to be the most hackneyed slogan in politics, especially coming from someone who should have been fighting for us for the last 25 years he was in fucking Washington. It immediately brought back memories of Al Gore vowing to "fight for us" at his convention 8 years ago. How do people buy into this crap? Is there some hypnotic carrier wave broadcasting during television broadcasts that make everyone stupid ? Apparently so.[/QUOTE]

CNN's Jeffrey Toobin's reaction to the debate was pretty spot on, in my opinion. Not getting into anything he said, but more or less said it was the most boring and scatterbrained convention speech since Carter's in 1980.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Listening him chant about he was going to "fight for us" in Washington has to be the most hackneyed slogan in politics, especially coming from someone who should have been fighting for us for the last 25 years he was in fucking Washington. It immediately brought back memories of Al Gore vowing to "fight for us" at his convention 8 years ago. How do people buy into this crap? Is there some hypnotic carrier wave broadcasting during television broadcasts that make everyone stupid ? Apparently so.[/quote]

FYI: McCain used the word "fight" 43 times in the speech.

But remember! He HATES war and LOVES peace!

[quote name='mykevermin']CNN's Jeffrey Toobin's reaction to the debate was pretty spot on, in my opinion. Not getting into anything he said, but more or less said it was the most boring and scatterbrained convention speech since Carter's in 1980.[/quote]

Got ya covered:

I thought it was the worst speech by a nominee that I've heard since Jimmy Carter in 1980.
I thought it was disorganized, themeless, I thought it was very, very boring until the end when he started talking about his personal story, which is, of course, remarkable and always important to hear. I personally cannot remember a single policy proposal that he made because they had nothing connecting them. I found it shockingly bad.
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[quote name='sgs89']OK, but don't come crying to me when your investments don't work out and you don't have enough money for retirement. I can't tell you how many people I've met who bitched their whole lives about having to pay into the "socialist" security system, that the money was theirs, that they would know what to do with it, etc., only to have nada when they are old. What do they do then? They rely on social security, that's what.[/QUOTE]

Historically, investing in the stock market is the only reliable way to outpace inflation in the long term. A properly diversified portfolio will net a 8-10% rate of return per year. That's why it would be far more efficient for each individual to save up for their own retirement rather than force us to pay into a social security system which in all likelihood won't even be there by the time our generation retires.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']1. No. You're dead wrong on education. Dead fucking wrong.

2. Prove it.

3. Well, FOX News does take the cake amongst older listeners, and there must be a reason that conservative talk radio thrives while liberal radio dies despite the general attitude of the public being against the Bush administration. I'd chalk it up to talk/AM radio being an "older demographic" tech thing.



CNN's Jeffrey Toobin's reaction to the debate was pretty spot on, in my opinion. Not getting into anything he said, but more or less said it was the most boring and scatterbrained convention speech since Carter's in 1980.[/QUOTE]

I cant prove it, but its what I was taught in political science class, history class, and have seen brought up in numerous shows iv watched. It also makes perfect sense.
 
Well, they're all wrong.

http://sda.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/hsda?harcsda+gss06

Here's a link to the GSS. Try inputting the variables "educ1" in the row box and "partyid" in the second box. You'll see correlations all over the place - which include a slight concentration of people with bachelor's degrees leaning weak Republican, at the same time you'll find that having a graduate or professional degree takes people all the way in the opposite direction, to leaning strong Democrat.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Here's a good idea: give everybody an option to opt out of Social Security. If I opt out, put it on my paycheck tax free. I can buy disability insurance, life insurance and put more money into retirement on my own.[/quote]
Truth! :applause:
 
[quote name='dopa345']Historically, investing in the stock market is the only reliable way to outpace inflation in the long term. A properly diversified portfolio will net a 8-10% rate of return per year. That's why it would be far more efficient for each individual to save up for their own retirement rather than force us to pay into a social security system which in all likelihood won't even be there by the time our generation retires.[/QUOTE]

Interesting use of the word historically.

You may have noticed there have been long stretches in the past of when stocks (on the whole) have lost much of their value? They may bounce back but there is no guarantee you will be alive long enough to enjoy the benefits of your little factoid. It helps to think of Social Security as retirement insurance, last I checked 401ks have been taking a beating what with lower returns and people withdrawing from them to live on.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Privatizing Social Security is a great idea IF you hand all of the money over to the worker. I can invest my money much better than how Social Security does it (IOUs).

However, the GWB gubmint plan was to play the stock market for me. Thanks, but I don't really want a bureaucrat who couldn't cut it in the real world as an investment banker bouncing my money around Wall Street.

Here's a good idea: give everybody an option to opt out of Social Security. If I opt out, put it on my paycheck tax free. I can buy disability insurance, life insurance and put more money into retirement on my own.[/QUOTE]

Here's the thing, and something someone else may have brought up on CAG already in the past week:

allowing investment of SS as something that is to be determined by each user is folly.

Suppose someone takes their life savings and bets it on a roulette wheel. They make an easy 50/50 bet on black.

They win. Do we suddenly applaud this person for making a "wise decision"?

What if it lands on Red 13?

Social Security is a fine means of protecting your retirement from YOU. Sure, some people would do better with their money (though they don't seem to be too interested in doing better with the majority of their pay they already receive). And some wouldn't.

At that point, we're back at square one, no?

That's the problem with privatizing SS. That and the fact that the only reason it's an "IOU" currently is because our federal government is so overspending itself that it takes the SS money and uses it on its superfluous deficit spending.

SS, if left alone, is perfectly fine and solvent.
 
[quote name='Msut77']Interesting use of the word historically.

You may have noticed there have been long stretches in the past of when stocks (on the whole) have lost much of their value? They may bounce back but there is no guarantee you will be alive long enough to enjoy the benefits of your little factoid. It helps to think of Social Security as retirement insurance, last I checked 401ks have been taking a beating what with lower returns and people withdrawing from them to live on.[/quote]

I can't find the source, but I believe there is only one 5 year period when stocks made no money and no 10 year periods when stocks made no money since its inception.

Unless the global civilization collapses or an investor panics or the portfolio isn't diversified, they haven't lost any money in their 401Ks.

If a person has to cash out their 401K to survive, he or she needs to draw up a budget to figure out where the shortfall is coming from. It might be obvious such as losing a job to overseas or from incompetence OR it might be that shiny new car with lease payments that consumes 20-30 hours worth of wages.

Social Security should not be defended as simply a retirement program. If my wife or I were to die, the survivors' benefits with having two kids are almost worth more than either of our wages. If either of us becomes disabled, Social Security will keep us out of a cardboard box.

All that being said, I could outperform Social Security with private life and disability insurances and prudent investments.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']I can't find the source, but I believe there is only one 5 year period when stocks made no money and no 10 year periods when stocks made no money since its inception.[/QUOTE]

What about very little money?

But anyhoo the point still stands, 5-10 years is a long time for an elderly person and we are making the assumption the person would not be forced back into working etc.

Social Security should not be defended as simply a retirement program. If my wife or I were to die, the survivors' benefits with having two kids are almost worth more than either of our wages. If either of us becomes disabled, Social Security will keep us out of a cardboard box.
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Aren't you the one arguing against SS?

All that being said, I could outperform Social Security with private life and disability insurances and prudent investments.
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One could, but one also could not through no fault of ones own.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Social Security is a fine means of protecting your retirement from YOU. [/quote]

This is where we're going to agree to disagree.

Our educational system doesn't stress little things like personal finance.

Hell, our educational system stresses going into debt because of some great payoff in the future.

Outside of education, the government runs lotteries and advertises them everywhere. I'm sure somebody could insert something clever about casinos here, but I'm drawing a blank.

Debt is sold very sexily whether it be a new car, a plasma screen TV, a speedboat, a bigger house, a second house on the lake or Hookerbot 5000.
People need to rise above those temptations or choose to work until the day they die.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']This is where we're going to agree to disagree.

Our educational system doesn't stress little things like personal finance.

Hell, our educational system stresses going into debt because of some great payoff in the future.

Outside of education, the government runs lotteries and advertises them everywhere. I'm sure somebody could insert something clever about casinos here, but I'm drawing a blank.

Debt is sold very sexily whether it be a new car, a plasma screen TV, a speedboat, a bigger house, a second house on the lake or Hookerbot 5000.
People need to rise above those temptations or choose to work until the day they die.[/QUOTE]

I think that every high schooler should have a mandated class called basic living. Part of the year would revolve around stuff like how to change a tire, just that basic stuff everyone should know how to do that no one does anymore because their parents dont teach them. But a second huge portion of the class would be about finances and employment. The proper steps to go through when looking for a job and having an interview with an employer. How to balance a check book, responsible credit card usage and why investing in an IRA, 401k or some other plan is important as well as showing them how to go about it.

Its sad....but people really dont teach their kids even the basics anymore. Whenever I moved out I had no clue how to cook, no clue how to set up a bank acount, pay my bills or do ANYTHING and I know tons of others like this too.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']I cant prove it, but its what I was taught in political science class, history class, and have seen brought up in numerous shows iv watched. It also makes perfect sense.[/quote]

>cant
>iv

So, you're a democrat then by these standards? :p

Also, It doesn't make any sense at all. Mykevermin proved that with the link he provided.

The RNC probably had such high ratings because everyone fell asleep from boredom and this left them unable to change the station.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Well, let me add a caveat: protect your retirement from you and the market.[/QUOTE]

I think you have to really screw up your investments to come out broke or with less then you invested in the first place. My fiancee just started investing in her 401k and it gave her 2 sets of estimates, one for if the market performs badly 1 for if it performs at historical standards. If the market performs at an average her $206,000 investment will grow to 2.5 freaking million. If it performs badly then they still expected it to grow to 1.7 million. It seems like even if the market just fell apart at its seams she would still retire with atleast double her investment but as it stands she is more then likely to get like 10x or more out of it.
 
[quote name='Msut77']What about very little money?

But anyhoo the point still stands, 5-10 years is a long time for an elderly person and we are making the assumption the person would not be forced back into working etc.

Aren't you the one arguing against SS?[/quote]

Nobody is born elderly. Everybody has the same number of years to live before "retirement" age.

I'm arguing against mandatory participation in social programs. I don't want you to tie a hand behind your back by arguing Social Security is retirement only.

IF I was running the show, each person would have a waiver for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid on their 1040.

From the ages of 18-68, a person would elect to waive enrollment in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

For every year enrollment was waived, benefits would be reduced 2%. Forget to fill out the form? You're enrolled for that year.
Made to little to file a tax return? You're enrolled for that year.

The person's employer would still pay into the system. After that year, the money the employer paid into Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid would be applied to the person's federal taxes. Any overage would then be refunded to the person to use on useless toys, disability insurance, life insurance or investments.

Is that a fair enough system?
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Its sad....but people really dont teach their kids even the basics anymore. Whenever I moved out I had no clue how to cook, no clue how to set up a bank acount, pay my bills or do ANYTHING and I know tons of others like this too.[/quote]

I know I screwed up my first year on my own royally. Granted, I had 20K in student loans to guide me.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Nobody is born elderly. Everybody has the same number of years to live before "retirement" age.[/QUOTE]

Do you understand my point?

dopa pulled out the much beloved talking point that states you can basically never lose money if you hold on to your stocks long enough.

I pointed out that is not very comforting to a person who needs the money in the here and now or will feel the icy hand of death before before the next boom.
 
[quote name='Msut77']Do you understand my point?

dopa pulled out the much beloved talking point that states you can basically never lose money if you hold on to your stocks long enough.

I pointed out that is not very comforting to a person who needs the money in the here and now or will feel the icy hand of death before before the next boom.[/quote]

Yes, I do understand.

I want the choice should be personal, not mandatory. Just like it is for religious ministers.
 
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