2009 Stimulus package, now with more pork. *updated! obama signs. (sad face)*

[quote name='KingBroly']http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Congress-kills-plan-to-apf-14346074.html

Let the money fights RESUME![/QUOTE]

The worst part about reading this super-rich circle jerk nonsense?

It's really hard to disagree with the fucking Marxists' arguments when they see how much the majority of us are neck deep in shit while things like this go down.

Elect me to congress. I'll call them fucking assholes on Larry King Live, I'll propose legislation to cut the dicks (and carve the ovaries) out of every motherfucker that gets bailout money and earns any income/bonuses over $250K. And I'll create jobs by hiring people to cut off those dicks, and carve out those ovaries.
 
Are you going to first hire other people to obtain the most jagged, rusty knives possible?

What I don't get about the bonus cap is what does it affect? Is it pay or bonuses or both? They seem to flip the terms every article. Can they not make more than $500k in a year, get more than a $500k bonus or not bring home more than $500k combined?

[quote name='mykevermin']The worst part about reading this super-rich circle jerk nonsense?

It's really hard to disagree with the fucking Marxists' arguments when they see how much the majority of us are neck deep in shit while things like this go down.

Elect me to congress. I'll call them fucking assholes on Larry King Live, I'll propose legislation to cut the dicks (and carve the ovaries) out of every motherfucker that gets bailout money and earns any income/bonuses over $250K. And I'll create jobs by hiring people to cut off those dicks, and carve out those ovaries.[/quote]
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The worst part about reading this super-rich circle jerk nonsense?

It's really hard to disagree with the fucking Marxists' arguments when they see how much the majority of us are neck deep in shit while things like this go down.

Elect me to congress. I'll call them fucking assholes on Larry King Live, I'll propose legislation to cut the dicks (and carve the ovaries) out of every motherfucker that gets bailout money and earns any income/bonuses over $250K. And I'll create jobs by hiring people to cut off those dicks, and carve out those ovaries.[/QUOTE]

youve got my vote. of course, id probably vote everyone in this forum in rather than the incumbants.
 
Camoor? Slidecage? ME?

 That's why people shouldn't be allowed to vote. :lol:
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']youve got my vote. of course, id probably vote everyone in this forum in rather than the incumbants.[/quote]
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The worst part about reading this super-rich circle jerk nonsense?

It's really hard to disagree with the fucking Marxists' arguments when they see how much the majority of us are neck deep in shit while things like this go down.

Elect me to congress. I'll call them fucking assholes on Larry King Live, I'll propose legislation to cut the dicks (and carve the ovaries) out of every motherfucker that gets bailout money and earns any income/bonuses over $250K. And I'll create jobs by hiring people to cut off those dicks, and carve out those ovaries.[/quote]

Vote +1.

I blame all of this on Ronald Regan.
 
[quote name='Kayden']Camoor? Slidecage? ME?

 That's why people shouldn't be allowed to vote. :lol:[/QUOTE]

ok maybe not slidecage... i meant regulars in the vs forum.
 
I think we would all do a much better job than the current administration... even with Slidecage and Level1Online.

Wow, that's really depressing yet at the same time hilarious.
 
"President Slidecage, can you tell us about your peace talks with the middle east?"

"wel, i went their to talk 2 them and they like wernt home. i nocked but they didnt asnwer. I was was going to go to the next cuntry but then my jet brokedown. i was like WTF! im president why jet not work. so i had to pay a bunch of money to have the plain fixed. I no machanic screwed me. The plain used to go vvvvrrroooooooooosh, but no it only does ggrrrvvroom. I no he broek it. anyone lawyer? think i sue him. i wanted to stop at gs on the way back home but the pilot was all we cant land on building or some crap. is bullshit!! i was going to pick up my pokemon preoder. preorder is the only way to get games at gs. so dumb. why they just not make orders for more? I should clothes hole chain. I am predisent I can do it."




[quote name='willardhaven']I think we would all do a much better job than the current administration... even with Slidecage and Level1Online.

Wow, that's really depressing yet at the same time hilarious.[/quote]
 
p.s. day got better - found kittens behind plain wing. when people stop putting kittens behind plains! no i have three mor kittens than i had before i had three kittnes just now.

Kayden: Do yourself a favor and read one of Graham Roumieu's Bigfoot books. I imagine you'll like them. It doesn't matter which one you get or what order you read them in - the general theme is the same throughout. Rofl at that whole thing by the way - hilarious to read, with an added layer of hilarity in that it sounds JUST like a typical slidecage post.
 
[quote name='Kayden']"President Slidecage, can you tell us about your peace talks with the middle east?"

"wel, i went their to talk 2 them and they like wernt home. i nocked but they didnt asnwer. I was was going to go to the next cuntry but then my jet brokedown. i was like WTF! im president why jet not work. so i had to pay a bunch of money to have the plain fixed. I no machanic screwed me. The plain used to go vvvvrrroooooooooosh, but no it only does ggrrrvvroom. I no he broek it. anyone lawyer? think i sue him. i wanted to stop at gs on the way back home but the pilot was all we cant land on building or some crap. is bullshit!! i was going to pick up my pokemon preoder. preorder is the only way to get games at gs. so dumb. why they just not make orders for more? I should clothes hole chain. I am predisent I can do it."[/quote]

:rofl:
 
Kayden you would be awesome in Congress.

Thrust would be fabulous except for his hang-up on abortion. As a Classical Libertarian he embarrasses the shit out of me on this issue. But that's why you make sure Abortion never comes up as an issue to begin with.
My thought for the Stimulus plan. Well I'd prefer one wouldn't be coming to begin with but mine would consist of 4 things and cost a fraction of this nonsense. 1.$10 billion dedicated to helping people with innovative ideas start up businesses. I'm talking about they put forth a business plan and idea that is like 90-95% certain to make money. Then after they put the product to market, the first 5 years profit from their business would be tax free. Also for the first 10 years they wouldn't be allowed to Outsource at ALL. 2.Spend enough money to fix or come up with bridges built with materials that are far less costly to repair and last much longer. I'm talking about regardless if it's a more expensive cost at the beginning, instead you see the cost analysis over the long run. 3.Bring back that $2 billion for rural broadband. 4.Pay for all the upgrades to translators to full Digital. If you're going to force this upgrade you should be paying for it, especially when you're offering a shittier reception solution over analog. Well or THIS particular Digital solution is shittier.
I think #1 might take 5 years to ruminate, getting some of those idea's fully realized and to market but they WOULD help bring the economy out of the shitter, even slightly.
Oh yeah and do away with the Fed of course. How the fuck do no one see this coming when our own currency is printed with interest. I mean everything is rigged that way. The unfortunate thing is most of us are screwed if we don't prepare ourselves before it's said "The emperor has no clothes!" unless Congress actually deals with the Fed. I doubt that or we could go back to where we were, just a little bit.
Bottom line is there will be one or two results. 1.We will be nickel and dimed to death on our every expense more then we should. Remember how Utility costs like electricity as tightly regulated in our state? Remember the SMART Grid idea? Imagine the Conservation idea that has become the supposed central platform of the Green movement, though I believe that's only what the media is covering. Watch electricity being restricted like Broadband and sold by packages. You go over your number, you get double charged or whatever. It's coming and it'll be sold under the guise of Conservation.
Also on a similar note, look at cell phones and the plans and how you get nickle and dimed. If lan-line service isn't bring compromised already in some areas it will be. You have people who forgo a line in the house for a cell. What's going to happen is cell phone service will keep getting improved to where it's identical to lan-line then so many people will drop their lan-lines. Lan-lines will get knocked down more. What's going to happen is this when you find it almost impossible to get lan-line and dirt cheap service for basic and argue this point with cell phone companies. They're going to argue back at you that there is lan-line service you can get, only it will be token.
 
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[quote name='Sarang01']Kayden you would be awesome in Congress.[/quote]


So, with everyone saying the 8 stimulus bills did nothing for Japan... What did those actually entail? Was it the same self servicing bullshit our morons are trying to push through?
 
Sarang - Last I checked libertarians were very big on one of the only and most important functions of government being protection of the innocent. I guess that's a pretty shitty "hang up" to have for a politician....

I'm a little perplexed by how many people seem to think improving roads is a must for the Federal budget, especially for a "stimulus package". It makes more sense that roads are paid for by the state they are in, unless we are talking interstate highways.

I don't know why people in New Jersey should pay for municiple road improvements in Wyoming.

Am I missing something? Is there a good reason why Federal money should be used for local road improvements that I haven't thought of?
 
[quote name='Kayden']Are you going to first hire other people to obtain the most jagged, rusty knives possible?[/quote]

No, no, no. We would needs spoons.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']Libertarians suck, as do all political ideologies.

Thinking is not like a value meal at McDonald's, you have to come up with your own ideas.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely true. Most people's so-called "thinking" can more or less fall snuggly into a political ideology though.

But I'm not a member of any party for reasons you state.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I'm a little perplexed by how many people seem to think improving roads is a must for the Federal budget, especially for a "stimulus package". It makes more sense that roads are paid for by the state they are in, unless we are talking interstate highways.

I don't know why people in New Jersey should pay for municiple road improvements in Wyoming.

Am I missing something? Is there a good reason why Federal money should be used for local road improvements that I haven't thought of?[/quote]

Well, duh.

Let's say Wyoming makes the Dick Cheney phrase "Go fuck yourself" its position towards the rest of the Union because clouds are too puffy.

If the roads of Wyoming are busted up, it slows down the speed of the military vehicles that would be sent to liberate Wyoming.
 
Thought this was a good read on why some think tax cuts won't work as they likely wouldn't lead to a huge increase in consumer spending.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/184599

Tax Cuts Won't Work
Yesterday's fixes can't help this economy

By Daniel Gross

The congressional debate over the stimulus package may be over, but the larger debate isn't. Many critics of the bill, which contains a mix of tax cuts and government spending, believe that the government spending part just won't work. Thirty-six of the 41 members of the Republican Senate minority voted for an amendment by Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina that called for a stimulus package consisting only of tax cuts. Economists whose sympathies lie with the Republicans have backed up the cut-taxes/don't-spend approach. Robert Barro of Harvard, speaking to the Atlantic, called the stimulus package "probably the worst bill that has been put forward since the 1930s." The government spending proposed wouldn't work as intended, he argued. Instead, we should cut tax rates. Harvard economist Greg Mankiw, a former Bush adviser, expressed his preference for a stimulus that would immediately and permanently end payroll taxes, to be offset by an increase in gas taxes.

Adherents of the tax-cuts-only strategy are suspicious of free-spending Democrats, old-fashioned Keynesians, and big government. They believe—no, they know—that tax cuts are more efficient than government spending, since people and businesses make better and quicker decisions about spending than government does. And the way they read the relevant data, history, and experience, permanently reducing long-term tax rates has historically provided the best possible incentives to invest and spend. They may be right. But there are also reasons to think that what worked or made complete sense in the past may not be as effective today. The current, somewhat extraordinary circumstances, and the nation's changing economic geography, should make us wonder how effective tax cuts will be in stimulating new spending and investment.

Let's say you're a tenured professor of economics at Harvard. You have—and have earned—a great deal of stability and security. Your job is guaranteed, at pretty much the same salary, until retirement. Your employer, which has been around for more than 350 years, isn't going anywhere. The university provides nice health care benefits and contributes generously to a retirement plan. All of which means you can make pretty good plans about your short- and long-term financial future. If we reduce payroll taxes—or eliminate them entirely—the professor will have an extra $200 in his paycheck every month. And that might yield predictable results. Feeling slightly more flush, he might be more likely to amble down to the Coop and buy a few books or a V-neck Crimson sweater or to invest in a summer home on Cape Cod. That's what a rational person would do. And that would stimulate the economy nicely.

Back in the day, and in many of the past episodes of postwar recession, the typical American worker resembled a Harvard professor—not in brains or wit, to be sure, but in the shape of her economic life. Many—not all, but a lot—enjoyed long, relatively secure job tenures, steady incomes, and generous employer-provided health and retirement benefits. But the economy has changed significantly in recent decades. And the circumstances that might prod our professor to start spending those tax cuts immediately might not apply to everybody else. The typical worker—white-collar, blue-collar, no-collar—doesn't have anything like tenure or a guaranteed job. In fact, she may be working at a company that has just laid off 10 percent of its work force and may soon lay off more. She may be one of the 3.6 million people who has lost a job in the last year. She may work in an industry in which one large, longtime player has just liquidated. She might still have employer-provided health insurance, but the company may have just jacked up the employee contribution. She knows that if she loses her job, she would have to start spending several thousand dollars a year to purchase health insurance. Meanwhile, this worker—say she's in her mid-40s—is providing for her own retirement via a 401(k), whose balance has fallen by 40 percent in the last year. Oh, and her adjustable-rate mortgage is about to readjust to a higher rate.

So, what happens if you cut this worker's payroll taxes (assuming she's on somebody's payroll and isn't a contractor or self-employed)? Well, she might spend the increased cash flow. But given everything that's going on, a fearful but still rational person might not rush out to spend or invest the money. She might be far more likely—and well-advised—to save it, to build up a cash hoard that would allow her to remain solvent should she lose her job, or to prepare for the eventuality that she might have to buy her own health insurance. Or she might start shoveling that extra $100 per week into her 401(k) to make up for some of the huge losses she's suffered.

Psychology plays a big role in all sorts of economic decisions. And at times like these, when people are gripped with fear, it plays an even larger role. In such a climate, cutting taxes can't hurt. But should we expect it to have the same effect it would have in a period when people are generally confident and secure? If you believe the typical American worker would respond to tax cuts the way a typical tenured Harvard economist would, then it makes all the sense in the world to focus on tax cuts to the exclusion of other types of stimulus. But if you believe the typical American worker might respond to tax cuts the way, say, a typical Cambridge-area worker would, you might be less sure.
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passes the house

WASHINGTON (AP) - Handing the new administration a big win, House Democrats passed President Barack Obama's $787 billion plan to resuscitate the economy on Friday despite a wall of Republican opposition. The bill was approved 246-183 and sent to the Senate, where a vote was scheduled late Friday afternoon.

That vote was to be held open for hours, waiting for Ohio Democrat Sherrod Brown, who was attending a memorial service for his mother and then flying back to cast the deciding vote.

Senate passage would meet a deadline of sending the bill to Obama before a congressional recess begins next week.

The 1,071 page, 8-inch-thick measure combines $281 billion in tax cuts for individuals and businesses with more than a half-trillion dollars in government spending. The money would go for infrastructure, health care and help for cash-starved state governments, among scores of programs. Seniors would get a $250 bonus Social Security check.

Told that no Republican backed the measure, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs reacted by citing another number: "3.5 million jobs that we look forward to saving or creating."

Seven Democrats voted against the bill.

Republicans said the package won't work because it has too little in tax cuts and spreads too much money around to everyday projects like computer upgrades for federal agencies.

"This legislation falls woefully short," said House GOP Leader John Boehner of Ohio. "With a price tag of more than $1 trillion when you factor in interest, it costs every family almost $10,000 in added debt. This is an act of generational theft that our children and grandchildren will be paying for far into the future."

The final $787 billion measure has been pared back from versions previously debated in order to attract support from three Senate GOP moderates—Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania. Their help is essential to meeting a 60-vote threshold in the Senate, required to overcome a Republican objection that the bill adds to the deficit.

The bill originally passed the Senate by a 61-37 tally, but Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., suffering from brain cancer, is not expected to vote this time.

Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., who withdrew his nomination to be Obama's Commerce secretary, said he would vote against the bill.

Democrats lavished praise on the measure, which combines tax cuts for workers and businesses with more than a half-trillion dollars in government spending aimed at boosting economic demand.

"By investing in new jobs, in science and innovation, in energy, in education ... we are investing in the American people, which is the best guarantee of the success of our nation," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.

The plan is the signature initiative of the fledgling Obama administration, which is betting that combining tax cuts of $400 a year for individuals and $800 for couples with an infusion of spending for unemployment assistance, $250 payments to people on Social Security, and extra money for states to help with the Medicaid health program for the poor and disabled will arrest the economy's fall.

Local school districts would receive $70 billion in additional funding for K-12 programs and special education and to prevent cutbacks and layoffs and repair crumbling schools. There's about $50 billion for energy programs, much of which goes to efficiency programs and renewable energy.

Some $46 billion would go to transportation projects, not enough to please many lawmakers.

Negotiators insisted on including a $70 billion tax break to make sure middle- to upper-income taxpayers won't get hit by the alternative minimum tax and forced a reduction of Obama's signature tax break for 95 percent of workers.

The AMT was designed 40 years ago to make sure wealthy people pay at least some tax, but is updated for inflation each year to avoid tax increases averaging $2,300 a year. Fixing the annual problems now allows lawmakers to avoid difficult battles down the road, but economists say the move won't do much to lift the economy.

Republicans pointed out a bevy of questionable spending items that made the final cut in House-Senate negotiations, including money to replace computers at federal agencies, inspect canals, and issue coupons for convertor boxes to help people watch TV when the changeover to digital signals occurs this summer.

"This measure is not bipartisan. It contains much that is not stimulative," said Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., Obama's rival for the White House. "And is nothing short—nothing short—of generational theft" since it burdens future generations with so much debt, he added.
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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96AU3H80&show_article=1

we all knew it would, doesnt make it any easier to swallow. passes the house at a mere 999 pages, the mere fact that the bill is 999 pages should tell you how sloppy this bill is.
 
I wonder how many of them actually read it. :whistle2:k

Did that government medical document tracking/treatment policing addon get approved too?
 
How many people can read 1100 pages in 8 hours? Furthermore, how many people in the Senate can?


And don't worry we still got some really important stuff:

  • Tax benefits for Golf Carts, Electric Motorcycles and ATV.
  • $300 million for Federal Employees Company Cars which will acquire vehicles with higher fuel economy, including hybrid vehicles and electric vehicles.
  • $1 billion for ACORN--Eligible block grants to carry out community development.
  • $50 million For an Arts Endowment.
  • $165 million for Fish Hatcheries.

The amount of jobs created by that stuff alone will be staggering.
 
I don't think any of them read the new bill. Even the additional...350(?) pages. That's a hell of a lot of reading, so who knows what kinds of new shit they added.

My guesses:
- Expanded the whole Health Care "Plan" (Unless it was taken out, but I doubt it was)
- Added in the Fairness Doctrine (A couple of major mentions in the last few days makes me think this is not mere coincidence)
- Pushed back the Feb. 17th "Get your ass to Digital TV" date to sometime in 2011.
 
They also upped the debt limit to $12 trillion in this bill. I think by this time next year, we will surpass that mark and it will need to be raised again.

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[quote name='Capitalizt']They also upped the debt limit to $12 trillion in this bill. I think by this time next year, we will surpass that mark and it will need to be raised again.

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Next year? That's over 9 months away.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Don't worry, I'm sure the next "stimulus" bill will come out in the next 4 months.[/quote]

Do you remember that SNL opening skit from (I think) before the election?

The automakers' new plan was to ask for more money every few months.
 
Congress snuck a piece in the stimulus bill, pretty much going behind Obama's back about executive pay.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29192298/

[quote name='thearticle']The bill, which President Obama is expected to sign into law next week, limits bonuses for executives at all financial institutions receiving government funds to no more than a third of their annual compensation. The bonuses must be paid in company stock that can be redeemed only when the government investment has been repaid.[/quote]

That's somewhat different from what Obama wanted to cap them at.

Does he have the ability to line item veto parts of a bill? Or is that only with the budget?
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Do you remember that SNL opening skit from (I think) before the election?

The automakers' new plan was to ask for more money every few months.[/quote]

Well...that's exactly what is going to happen. You know, just with every company.

There is no Line Item veto. The Supreme Court ruled it Unconstitutional a few years back, and even if it was Constitutional, I doubt Obama would veto that part. CEO's could just as easily take on a consultant's job with the company as well that pays nothing but they could get bonuses that way. They wouldn't be getting bonuses as a "CEO", but as a "Consultant" or whatever they would want to call themselves.
 
It's so nice to know there's a plan in place to undermine laws before they even get enacted.
[quote name='KingBroly']Well...that's exactly what is going to happen. You know, just with every company.

There is no Line Item veto. The Supreme Court ruled it Unconstitutional a few years back, and even if it was Constitutional, I doubt Obama would veto that part. CEO's could just as easily take on a consultant's job with the company as well that pays nothing but they could get bonuses that way. They wouldn't be getting bonuses as a "CEO", but as a "Consultant" or whatever they would want to call themselves.[/quote]
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Well...that's exactly what is going to happen. You know, just with every company.

There is no Line Item veto. The Supreme Court ruled it Unconstitutional a few years back, and even if it was Constitutional, I doubt Obama would veto that part. CEO's could just as easily take on a consultant's job with the company as well that pays nothing but they could get bonuses that way. They wouldn't be getting bonuses as a "CEO", but as a "Consultant" or whatever they would want to call themselves.[/quote]

See, that's what I was thinking too. Just create a special position that only the CEO was qualified for. Move the CEO to that position. Move someone else up to CEO, but almost as a puppet, so to speak. The "real" CEO gets the huge bonus and salary. The puppet CEO gets the "capped" salary.
 
After pushing Congress for weeks to hurry up and pass the massive $787 billion stimulus bill, President Obama promptly took off for a three-day holiday getaway.

Obama arrived at his home in Chicago on Friday, and treated wife Michelle to a Valentine's Day dinner downtown last night. The couple was spotted leaving upscale Table Fifty-Two, which specializes in Southern cuisine, with the first lady toting what appeared to be a doggie bag.

The president plans to spend the Presidents' Day weekend in the Windy City, and is not expected to sign the bill until Tuesday, when he travels to Denver to discuss his economic plan.

Both the House and Senate passed the bill Friday night.

The push to get the bill through before the holiday weekend was so frantic, members of Congress didn't have a chance to read all 1,071 pages of the document before they could vote.

"In a perfect world it would have been nice to have had more time to process it," said Ilan Kayatsky, a spokesman for Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY).

Meanwhile, Gov. Paterson called yesterday for fiscal restraint with the massive influx of federal aid. His budget office estimated that New York will receive $24.6 billion over the next two years, $4 billion more than first believed.
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http://www.nypost.com/seven/02152009/news/nationalnews/whats_the_rush__155255.htm

so after all the fuss about getting this thing passed, the senate and barry are going to enjoy the 3 day weekend. i guess since banks arent open on monday it can wait now.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']http://www.nypost.com/seven/02152009/news/nationalnews/whats_the_rush__155255.htm

so after all the fuss about getting this thing passed, the senate and barry are going to enjoy the 3 day weekend. i guess since banks arent open on monday it can wait now.[/quote]

Not just a 3 day weekend. Congress doesn't take up another bill until around Feb 23. Most are taking at least 10 days off.

Pelosi wanted to rush the bill through just so she could go on a trip to Italy Friday night.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']The good criminals don't get caught. They're also the ones we elect.[/quote]

OMG that's so poignant!!!!
 
So it went through?

I wonder what else Obama will do, how else could he possibly screw up more after this? Luckily too many Americans bought " Yes We Can " bumper stickers and merchandise to ever consider that the stimulus is a bad idea.
 
[quote name='HovaEscobar']So it went through?

I wonder what else Obama will do, how else could he possibly screw up more after this? Luckily too many Americans bought " Yes We Can " bumper stickers and merchandise to ever consider that the stimulus is a bad idea.[/quote]

It'll be signed Tuesday.

What else?

Well, Geither still hasn't unveiled his plan yet.

And there's still this whole "bail out everyone with a mortgage except the people who did everything right" plan.
 
:( I wish I would have fucked up my finances.

It's ok though. I'm sure once I have to foot the bill for everyone else, I will have to foreclose too, of course, I won't get any assistance because I was fiscally incompetent. :roll:
[quote name='mtxbass1']It'll be signed Tuesday.

What else?

Well, Geither still hasn't unveiled his plan yet.

And there's still this whole "bail out everyone with a mortgage except the people who did everything right" plan.[/quote]
 
Kayden wishes life was like Diablo 2, and he could kill catwomen for money.

Also that he was an Amazon. With a great set of knockers.
 
[quote name='Kayden']:( I wish I would have fucked up my finances.

It's ok though. I'm sure once I have to foot the bill for everyone else, I will have to foreclose too, of course, I won't get any assistance because I was fiscally incompetent. :roll:[/quote]

Me and you both. Pay your mortgage on time since they day you signed the paper? You get nothing. Miss 3 months payments and you're about to be foreclosed on? You'll at a minimum get a moratorium from your lender, and more than likely "help" from uncle sam. In a growing number of cases, you can even stay in the home once it's foreclosed on.

It's a broken system.
 
[quote name='Kayden']:( I wish I would have fucked up my finances.

It's ok though. I'm sure once I have to foot the bill for everyone else, I will have to foreclose too, of course, I won't get any assistance because I was fiscally incompetent. :roll:[/quote]
or you will have foreclosure when you get laid off and you're mortgage goes from 500 a month to 5000 in a matter of months, and you have to chose between food and paying it.
 
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