[quote name='HovaEscobar']Well, I'd just like to throw my 2 cents in here.
"Bullshit such as abstinence". Abstinence education seems to be the scapegoat for why education doesn't work. Fact is that sex education was barely taught in schools 60 or so years ago and although now it is, the teen pregnancy and STD rates have skyrocketed.
The root of the issue, to me, is that there's not a good enough punishment for being promiscuous . Obviously not, seeing as people can still have sex with STDs. Nature's one punishment for being promiscuous seems to have disappeared, seeing as now girls can now get child support and various government programs. In the 20s, women who had children out of wedlock with no plans to get married were pretty much screwed, so women didn't do it and they were stigmatized for it. Now we're in a position where women actually aren't *screwed* anymore for being promiscuous , and surprise surprise, no matter how much birth control options there is ( at LEAST 10 by the way ), the safe haven laws, abortion, adoption, more women are opting to raise children unwed than in past times. Probably because of their innate desire to have children*, which makes me believe that giving them and only them a more respectable form of birth control is some kind of sick joke, but that's a story for another day.
It's all related. When you almost give women incentives to be promiscuous and take away stigmas from it, then they'll have more sex. More sex will equal more STDs. I guarantee that if they were to come out and cut these programs and child support that these problems would be solved. I guarantee it.
* Lets make this clear, i do not assume that every woman wants to have children all of the time , but i do assume that those who have little or no ambition would be willing to do it now more than later, those who would most benefit from child support and other government support they wouldn't get otherwise. [/QUOTE]
Pretty patriarchal to blame women for promiscuity. They get the biological short straw already. You disregarded HotShot because of the tenor of his post (get used to sarcasm and ad hominems on here, including from, and perhaps especially from, me), but ignored that his post was getting at your implication that women are the only ones who should be punished for their promiscuity.
And, mind you, that promiscuity is something that should be subject to social/legal sanction. Hope you don't consider yourself a small government Republican if you're thinking we should have a say in other people
ing or not.
That said, promiscuity isn't the issue: pregnancies and disease are the issues. One can be promiscuous and responsible. One can also be promiscuous and irresponsible. Despite the margin of error that exists for even the responsible, promiscuity is not the issue; irresponsibility is.
I'll see your "problems will be solved if we eliminate social programs like TANF," wholly disagree with it, point out that you wouldn't even blink at the difference in your taxes paid and returned if that happened (unlike if we cut military spending by 10%), and raise you a "I hope you're looking forward to paying higher taxes that are demanded by our criminal justice system (police, courts, prisons) in order to accommodate what follows from removing that very social welfare policy."
