2012 Election Thread

[quote name='dmaul1114']No kidding. That shit about Romney getting 0 support among blacks in a recent poll being due to them not accounting for the fact that black people work and have careers and thus weren't home to participate in the poll was one of the dumber comments I've heard in recent memory.

So people of other races don't work and were home to express support for Romney? :roll:

Few things are more frustrating than people who can't even form arguments that contain basic logic/common sense.[/QUOTE]
Stewart even said something to the effect of "So it was a poll conducted just for unemployed people?"
 
[quote name='mykevermin']second sentence.

in other news:



Gotta spoiler the source. Swallow your beverages, take a deep breath, and sit the fuck down. You're about to be blown away:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/#ixzz2522QCngL
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I'm going to call my loved ones, the world is about to come to an end.

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Must be "stupid shit republicans say" day. Or is that every day, anyway...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-p...y-advice-one-mormon-republican-130407579.html

The senator, a fellow Mormon, also said Romney's time abroad as a missionary was, in its own way, a hardship.
"He served a mission for his church over in France, a very difficult mission by the way where people come up to you and say, 'I'm an atheist and I'm a Catholic.' But he learned to love people, he learned to work with people, he learned to serve, and that's what you get from those kind of experiences."
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That must have been incredibly difficult for him, a real hardship. To think conservatives call liberals pussies...hah.
 
Sally Kohn is a lesbian liberal blahblahblah
Yeah it was on that channel, but she's paid to be part of the fair and balanced.

Also, anyone else think that Paul Ryan is still waiting to drop? Jesus that voice... It's like being lectured to by a 7 year old.
 
[quote name='Clak']Must be "stupid shit republicans say" day. Or is that every day, anyway...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-p...y-advice-one-mormon-republican-130407579.html

That must have been incredibly difficult for him, a real hardship. To think conservatives call liberals pussies...hah.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't dismiss the efforts and difficulties in his task. He was in a major car crash during his service which killed the wife of their den leader, or whatever the hell they're called, and sent the leader back to the US for surgery after being severely injured. He took over the leadership role and significantly raised their convert numbers, in a foreign land, away from all family and friends, day in and day out making a really hard pitch "come be Mormon, Frenchie!"

So while it's not an activity I'm a big fan of, I would definitely call it a hardship and a very difficult task, that according to the accounts I've heard/read, he excelled at. He's still a two-faced creep, but I won't discount how hard being a Mormon missionary in France would be.
 
A hardship is growing up poor, hoping you can get three meals a day, not going on a damn missionary trip you volunteered for. God damn rich white person problems....
 
[quote name='Clak']A hardship is growing up poor, hoping you can get three meals a day, not going on a damn missionary trip you volunteered for. God damn rich white person problems....[/QUOTE]

I get the point you're trying to make, but think it's silly to sit back as a third party with no first-hand knowledge, and tell us all how "hardship" should be defined here. I didn't realize growing up poor was the only way you could face hardship. I was only really poor in college (couldn't afford 3 meals a day). Did the fact that I grew up in a middle class, two parent household, mean that spending 3-4 years dirt poor wasn't a hardship?

Rich or poor, white or non-white folks can experience hardship. I would suspect most people do at some point.
 
so annoying hearing the two parties act like either of them care about poor people. stimulus all went to rich wall street/banks/big car companies and nobody gave shit to the normal joe.
 
[quote name='berzirk']I get the point you're trying to make, but think it's silly to sit back as a third party with no first-hand knowledge, and tell us all how "hardship" should be defined here. I didn't realize growing up poor was the only way you could face hardship. I was only really poor in college (couldn't afford 3 meals a day). Did the fact that I grew up in a middle class, two parent household, mean that spending 3-4 years dirt poor wasn't a hardship?

Rich or poor, white or non-white folks can experience hardship. I would suspect most people do at some point.[/QUOTE]
I don't think that anyone can reasonably argue that Romney has never faced any type of hardship in his life, but broadening the definition to like you are serves no purpose other than to obfusate the fact that he really has no grasp of the struggles that most people in the country face. I know you're not a fan of Romney by a long shot, but you are buying into their narrative and framing. Something to think about.;)
 
I'll take all the hardship I can get with $600m in the bank. Where do I sign up?

Just don't think for a fucking second I'll grab my ankles for you greedy punks and pay any more than 15% in federal income taxes ;)
 
[quote name='dohdough']I don't think that anyone can reasonably argue that Romney has never faced any type of hardship in his life, but broadening the definition to like you are serves no purpose other than to obfusate the fact that he really has no grasp of the struggles that most people in the country face. I know you're not a fan of Romney by a long shot, but you are buying into their narrative and framing. Something to think about.;)[/QUOTE]

No, you're right, I most certainly am. The missionary car crash story and post crash difficulties is a HUGE win for the Romney campaign. It inserts a life/death event, combined with helping normalize the very foreign (his Mormon religion), especially after we embraced the Obama growing up with a single mom and making his way to law school story. They've both faced hardships of different kinds, they're both creeps who care about their political legacies more than anyone with less than $50M in their bank accounts, and they both support about 95% of the same policies. The fascinating part is the misdirection they try to pull in showing us the 5% they don't agree on.

What great choices we have in the goold ole, US of A!
 
You couldn't afford 3 meals in college, oh boo-fucking-hoo. You put yourself through that, it was your choice. This is what I'm talking about, it's white people hardship. Having to eat ramen in college, boy that was tough.

You want me to define hardship? Hardship is having to go without food so your kids can eat, hardship is having to depend on government assistance to survive, hardship is not knowing if you'll have a place to sleep at night, THAT'S fuckING HARDSHIP. I know people who have go through each of those, to even try and equate the "hardship" you and romney faced is disgusting. fuck...
 
[quote name='Clak']You couldn't afford 3 meals in college, oh boo-fucking-hoo. You put yourself through that, it was your choice. This is what I'm talking about, it's white people hardship. Having to eat ramen in college, boy that was tough.

You want me to define hardship? Hardship is having to go without food so your kids can eat, hardship is having to depend on government assistance to survive, hardship is not knowing if you'll have a place to sleep at night, THAT'S fuckING HARDSHIP. I know people who have go through each of those, to even try and equate the "hardship" you and romney faced is disgusting. fuck...[/QUOTE]

Haha, OK, thank you for that. I learned a lot. I'll now change the definition of an English word. If I submit that all to Websters can they keep the "Shaq-Fu" image?
 
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Romney was in college during the draft and organized a counter protest to the draft protests. He took four deferments himself. His missionary status was a very convenient draft dodge. And by then BAM! Troop withdrawals had begun.

Amazing turn of events. I'm sure he was ready to serve!
 
Screw the military and screw the draft. If he was dodging it more power to him for not being a mindless murdering "I dun served my country and killed ------" zombie.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']Screw the military and screw the draft. If he was dodging it more power to him for not being a mindless murdering "I dun served my country and killed ------" zombie.[/QUOTE]

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/national-defense

Also relevant:

1) http://www.mittromney.com/issues/china-east-asia
2) http://www.mittromney.com/issues/iran
3) http://www.mittromney.com/issues/israel

(among others, including perpetuating Red Menace - no, seriously - threats of a resurgent military threat in Russia in this speech: http://www.mittromney.com/blogs/mitts-view/2011/10/mitt-romney-delivers-remarks-us-foreign-policy)

So he's not the noble sort of person you hope for - he's the guy who has shown, once he gets to control where people go to fight and die, he will be an unmitigated neoconservative.
 
Lindsay Graham says there aren't enough angry white guys to sustain the GOP. I think desperate times calls for desperate measures, bring out the Ronald Reagan hologram!
 
Here's an odd thought on how to avoid it (though it may not work at all, or if it does now, it may not in the future): since campaigns and PACs target certain areas (i.e., highly contested areas), change your cell phone # so that it has the area code of a totally, thorough uncontested state. Like go get a fuckin' Kansas area code number or something. It'll significantly decrease your likelihood of getting a robocall, I suspect (then again, maybe you don't live in a competitive/tossup state - but since you're getting called already, I think so).

Cell phones have really messed up polling methodologies. There are ways around it, and pollsters in the future may resort to straight up random digit dialing to get geographically representative samples.

[quote name='detectiveconan16']Lindsay Graham says there aren't enough angry white guys to sustain the GOP. I think desperate times calls for desperate measures, bring out the Ronald Reagan hologram![/QUOTE]

Well, Clint Eastwood certainly seems appropriate as a speaker all of a sudden.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Here's an odd thought on how to avoid it (though it may not work at all, or if it does now, it may not in the future): since campaigns and PACs target certain areas (i.e., highly contested areas), change your cell phone # so that it has the area code of a totally, thorough uncontested state. Like go get a fuckin' Kansas area code number or something. It'll significantly decrease your likelihood of getting a robocall, I suspect (then again, maybe you don't live in a competitive/tossup state - but since you're getting called already, I think so).

Cell phones have really messed up polling methodologies. There are ways around it, and pollsters in the future may resort to straight up random digit dialing to get geographically representative samples.[/QUOTE]
I'm actually in PA, just like you are I believe. So this is usually a very competitive area for the candidates. I just wish there would be a DNC list like we already have for telemarketing. Sometimes you're waiting for a call and pick up the phone to a couple second delay and then the ad starts in.:whistle2:#
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']so annoying hearing the two parties act like either of them care about poor people. stimulus all went to rich wall street/banks/big car companies and nobody gave shit to the normal joe.[/QUOTE]

Why would "the normal joe" want a handout from the government?
 
[quote name='IRHari']Why would "the normal joe" want a handout from the government?[/QUOTE]
I could use a handout to help pay for my Obamacare health insurance premiums for the next how many ever years till it's finally repealed.;) As it stands, I'm not even willing to pay the 'fine' forrefusing to pay for health insurance that I don't want or currently need.:roll:
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']I could use a handout to help pay for my Obamacare health insurance premiums for the next how many ever years till it's finally repealed.;) As it stands, I'm not even willing to pay the 'fine' forrefusing to pay for health insurance that I don't want or currently need.:roll:[/QUOTE]
Considering your income is $0 right now, you're not paying for shit unless you opted for COBRA coverage, of which you're only required to pay 35% since the rest is subsidized by the state of PA. If you choose to not enroll in or discontinue COBRA, you can enroll into the state version of Medicare for no cost since your income, is again, $0, thus removing any fine, which would be scaled to your income of $0 to begin with.
 
But therein lies my issue with the whole Obamacare thing in the first place. The government is telling me what I need to have as required by them. Chances are there are more needy people than myself out there who could use those programs mentioned above who actually need insurance. Besides which, every time I've checked into Cobra, they go by the household income and since there is money coming in the premium is NOT $0 and not even close to $0.:roll:
 
Is it really valid to say that Obama couldn't accomplish anything due to Republican obstructionism in Congress when the Democrats controlled both Houses, including a supermajority in the Senate for half of his term?
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']But therein lies my issue with the whole Obamacare thing in the first place. The government is telling me what I need to have as required by them. Chances are there are more needy people than myself out there who could use those programs mentioned above who actually need insurance. Besides which, every time I've checked into Cobra, they go by the household income and since there is money coming in the premium is NOT $0 and not even close to $0.:roll:[/QUOTE]
Those are all bullshit reasons. The government tells you what you need to do in regards to a whole slew of things. The second reason is fucking hilarious if it wasn't so full of shit when we all know that you don't give a flying fuck about anyone but yourself.

And unless you're living with your parents and you are their dependant again, you're your own household. I highly doubt that you were making the kind of money that would completely prevent you from the subsidy as you'd need to be well into the 6 figure range. And even then, this is all irrelevant because the mandate doesn't even kick in until 2014!

[quote name='dafoomie']Is it really valid to say that Obama couldn't accomplish anything due to Republican obstructionism in Congress when the Democrats controlled both Houses, including a supermajority in the Senate for half of his term?[/QUOTE]
Yes.

And just to hopefully save myself the aggravation, look up the number of filibusters threatened by the Republicans during that "super majority." Seriously man, would doing a little fact checking fucking kill you or something?
 
HAHAHA...someone just gave Romney a terrorist fist bump.

edit: Watching Eastwood right now and damn, this is horrible.
 
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[quote name='dohdough']Those are all bullshit reasons. The government tells you what you need to do in regards to a whole slew of things. The second reason is fucking hilarious if it wasn't so full of shit when we all know that you don't give a flying fuck about anyone but yourself.

And unless you're living with your parents and you are their dependant again, you're your own household. I highly doubt that you were making the kind of money that would completely prevent you from the subsidy as you'd need to be well into the 6 figure range. And even then, this is all irrelevant because the mandate doesn't even kick in until 2014![/QUOTE]
You're damn right I don't give a flying fuck about anyone but me and what affects ME personally.

And while I am living with one of my parents at the moment now, I am not their dependent, but when I needed medical assistance for an emergency a while ago they gave me it....for one day. The state of PA sent me a medical card that was valid for long enough to give to the hospital to copy to cover my expenses from the ER visit.

As for my opinion on being required to buy insurance come 2014, even if I was making $200,000 a year at that point through some small miracle I wouldn't spend a fucking dime on something I don't have any current need for. Matter of fact, the gov't may even have to wait for the 'fine' for me not wanting to grab insurance and if I decide to pay them it'll be at $1 a week or whatever until it's paid.:roll:
 
[quote name='dohdough']Yes.

And just to hopefully save myself the aggravation, look up the number of filibusters threatened by the Republicans during that "super majority." Seriously man, would doing a little fact checking fucking kill you or something?[/QUOTE]
Do you know what a super majority is? It means the other party doesn't have the votes to filibuster you, the Republicans didn't get the 41st vote until 2010. Even under those circumstances they still got Obamacare voted on and passed.

He had momentum, a mandate, and political capital after his election and he chose to prioritize Obamacare. He got what he most wanted.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']You're damn right I don't give a flying fuck about anyone but me and what affects ME personally.[/QUOTE]

We know. Could you just make that your sig, I'm tired of reading the same post.
 
Obama's mistake was wasting his early days trying to get things done in a bipartisan fashion. Actually I take that back, trying wasn't his mistake, thinking that republicans would let him was the mistake.
 
Oh an unrelated note, I've had about all I can take of James Carville and these Maker's Mark commercials. fuck the cocktail party.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']You're damn right I don't give a flying fuck about anyone but me and what affects ME personally.[/quote]
No fucking shit, you twit. That's the whole point of me calling you out on it.

And while I am living with one of my parents at the moment now, I am not their dependent, but when I needed medical assistance for an emergency a while ago they gave me it....for one day. The state of PA sent me a medical card that was valid for long enough to give to the hospital to copy to cover my expenses from the ER visit.
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Does being a hypocrite make you hard? And what happens at the next medical emergency? Are you going to tell PA to fuck off and that you don't want any handouts? :roll:

That government teat tastes good, doesn't it!:rofl:

Funny how quick you were to jump on it when you actually needed it and the resources were there to take advantage. It's even sadder that you can't seem to connect the dots between how your politics would eliminate the avaliablity of those resources. An introspective person would've had an epiphany at that point.

As for my opinion on being required to buy insurance come 2014, even if I was making $200,000 a year at that point through some small miracle I wouldn't spend a fucking dime on something I don't have any current need for. Matter of fact, the gov't may even have to wait for the 'fine' for me not wanting to grab insurance and if I decide to pay them it'll be at $1 a week or whatever until it's paid.:roll:
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Do you speak with the same derision against car insurance too? It's not something you need every single day either! Only when you get into a car accident!

For someone making $200k, even paying a high premium through a group policy represents such a negligible amount of their salary, that it would be foolish NOT to have any health insurance. $30 a week doesn't mean shit at that point considering all the financial risk it shields them from.

But it all really comes down to this: you still don't understand the concept of insurance.

[quote name='dafoomie']Do you know what a super majority is? It means the other party doesn't have the votes to filibuster you, the Republicans didn't get the 41st vote until 2010. Even under those circumstances they still got Obamacare voted on and passed.

He had momentum, a mandate, and political capital after his election and he chose to prioritize Obamacare. He got what he most wanted.[/QUOTE]
Arlen Specter, Al Franken, Ted Kennedy, Scott Brown. Do the research and math, then get back to me. Feel free to put a calendar together to help you keep better track of the dates you're talking about.
 
[quote name='dohdough']
Does being a hypocrite make you hard? And what happens at the next medical emergency? Are you going to tell PA to fuck off and that you don't want any handouts? :roll:

That government teat tastes good, doesn't it!:rofl:

Funny how quick you were to jump on it when you actually needed it and the resources were there to take advantage. It's even sadder that you can't seem to connect the dots between how your politics would eliminate the avaliablity of those resources. An introspective person would've had an epiphany at that point.[/quote]
In all honesty, I would've just let it slide and let them try collecting from me, since I don't own shit(not even a car at this point) but my family wanted me to take care of it. So what could they take from me? If it were a Thursday when I had the ailment that required diagnosis, then I would've likely just gone to the free clinic.
Do you speak with the same derision against car insurance too? It's not something you need every single day either! Only when you get into a car accident!
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See above. No car, no car insurance. But car insurance to me IS a necessity when you have a vehicle. But health insurance is a luxury which I would rather not pay for if I don't need it.
For someone making $200k, even paying a high premium through a group policy represents such a negligible amount of their salary, that it would be foolish NOT to have any health insurance. $30 a week doesn't mean shit at that point considering all the financial risk it shields them from.

But it all really comes down to this: you still don't understand the concept of insurance.
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But chances are I'll never make $200k a year, so I doubt I'd ever look at it as a drop in the bucket, especially with the rates I was quoted prior. I do understand that insurance is in case shit happens, since life is not predictable. But since the gov't is telling me I need to do it because otherwise they'll fine me for not buying it means I won't buy it just because of that. If they wanna gimme insurance gratis though I'm all for it. But no way am I gonna scrape up X amount to pay for something I don't truly need.:roll:
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Do you know what a super majority is? It means the other party doesn't have the votes to filibuster you, the Republicans didn't get the 41st vote until 2010. Even under those circumstances they still got Obamacare voted on and passed.

He had momentum, a mandate, and political capital after his election and he chose to prioritize Obamacare. He got what he most wanted.[/QUOTE]

Forgive me for citing wikipedia, but it's late and I'm kinda hammered:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress#Senate
 
listening to the Romney speech from last night...
Is this crowd of nimrods actually cheering people losing a good job and taking on two crappy part time jobs? Holy shit! I just, wow...
 
[quote name='detectiveconan16']Hey people still cheered when Ron Paul pointed out it's a great idea to let a sick uninsured person die.[/QUOTE]

It's so funny how distorted the truth has become.
 
Sounds pretty accurate to me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T9fk7NpgIU

A small subset of the audience cheers the question from the moderator, over Paul saying no to the question of whether society should let that person die. However, both before and after, Paul lays out exactly that. "Thats what freedom is about - taking your own risks". "He should do is whatever he wants and take responsibility for it". Then afterwards he talks about medicine in the 60's, and the fraudulent claim that private charity took care of everyone, before going off on your standard libertarian nonsense about markets and inflation.

Patient dumping was a serious problem before EMTALA.
 
But he said "no!" So, even though everything Paul said around it was contrary to that "no," or unrelated to the question (LOL: government medical care is a costly bureaucracy - implying that private care is less bureaucratic and costly).

Bob ain't a "read between the lines" fella. He probably saw Newt Gingrich on Hardball this week, debating the racial undertones of Reagan's "welfare queen" (who, according to Reagan, lived in southside Chicago and drove a Cadillac) and Romney's brazen lie of a campaign ad regarding Obama "gutting work requirements for welfare" - and thought to himself that because they never *SAYYYYY* "Black," it simply can't be racist.

Derp derp derp.

In other derp:
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I'm going to use this image (also heh at the url) whenever I wait for Bob to get to the point, and not dodge and parry and deny, as Ron Paul did in the video above.
 
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