[quote name='dohdough']They are superficial and it shows in your framing. You simply don't know what the
you are talking about. All you do is frame those points as if they happen in a vaccuum. I'm going to demonstrate that they don't and how you're making vapid points.[/QUOTE]
See? You say things, but you don't back them up with evidence. How is it that I frame my points as if they happen in vacuums?
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They're talking points because it's all empty bullshit to make it sound like you know what you're talking about, but you simply don't and can't go into detail. They're rhetorical word-plays to try and convince someone that you're right. How the
are you going to say it's liberal bullshit when all evidence points to you not know what a
ing liberal is?[/QUOTE]
How am I not going into detail? Do you need me to draw you a picture? There's no grey area in killing the civilians of sovereign nations or the torture and killing of American citizens without due process. Again, you're just trying to railroad my points by dismissing them with political jargon.
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Passive aggressive insult?
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There you go again. Believe that if you want, it's your problem.
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Hypocrisy in a political party? You don't say!
You also don't say what "liberal" means.
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Why do I have to spoon feed you everything? Don't you already know what it means?
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I dismiss it because your definition is a non-sequitor.
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Ha, ok. More dismissals. I get the feeling you don't even know what a "non-sequitor" (sic) is.
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How is war mongering a liberal platform? Because Democrats voted for it? Of course they did. And the ones that didn't want to go along with it were branded unpatriotic treasonous pussies. "Freedom Fries" ring a bell?
Lot's of liberals are against these foreign entanglements and protest all the time. Just because they don't get press doesn't mean they don't happen. There are tons of protests about things all the time. Now that Iraq has been winding down and military adventurism is at a much lower level, why is it reasonable that protests be at the same levels as before the draw-down? It makes no freaking sense.[/QUOTE]
Winding down? REALLY!? To quote you, LOLZ. Read the news. Soldiers are still dying in Iraq and Afghanistan and we'll have troops there for the next 30 years. Not only that, but now we're getting involved in Syria:
http://news.antiwar.com/2012/09/06/us-sends-more-spies-to-help-organize-train-syrias-rebels/
and Yemen. But yeah, totally less war than the last administration.
Protests DO NOT happen all the time. Remember Cindy Sheehan? Where is she? Funny how she and all the other protestors vanished as soon as Bush was out of office.
These platforms aren't out in the open, but as I've said countless times, actions speak louder than words and I don't hear boo from Obama supporters.
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You tihnk Obama was the only president ever to order assasinations of foreign nationals or citizens on their home soil? Even beyond that, at what point did I ever say that I support war mongering, excuse it as a platform, or even tacitly approve it?
Again, how is this a "liberal" platform beyond it being presided over by a president that is a member of the Democratic Party?
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Because there's a history of it within Democratic presidencies. I'm with you in terms of "it's way worse on the right," but voting for the lesser of evils is still voting for evil. I don't think I've seen an ounce of disdain from you for your own party, just a whole lot of "our shit smells better than theirs."
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You mean Bradley Manning? Last time I checked, liberals are pretty much against the way he's being treated.
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He's not the only one, but probably the most prominent. You're right that liberals have been pretty good in calling out the shittiness of that situation, but I can't help but feel that, had the same thing happened under a guy that they weren't going to vote for in November, the cries of foul would be much louder.
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It's legal in MA and it's because of liberals and Democrats IN SPITE of conservatives and Republicans. Or are you somehow implying that since it's not legal in every state that liberals and Democrats are somehow supportive of keeping gay marriage illegal? Because otherwise, pinning this on "liberals" makes absolutely no sense.
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By this point, Obama would have been able to make it legal in the same way he pushed through Obamacare. He could have said it was a violation of equal protection in the same way he used interstate commerce. He hasn't.
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It's still illegal on a federal level. Your source also doesn't have any reference to Obama promising to legal weed. If in fact he did make that promise, the Republicans and super PACs would be showing ads about it non-stop until the election. Seriously, where the
did you get that "fact?"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=LvUziSfMwAw
Also, if you listen to the very last part of that video, he actually did the exact opposite of what he says. I think the reason the Repubs don't harp on it is because the majority of Americans want to see it legalized for medical use.
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This was already addressed, but you can't hang this on liberals or as a Democratic platform either when Republicans and governors, in general, were screaming NIMBY and bashing Obama over it. If you want to say that Obama didn't push hard enough, then fine, but keeping is open isn't a liberal platform.
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Again, it's not an open platform, but his actions speak volumes and nobody says boo about it. Democrats say one thing, and then do another, and when that happens, Bill Maher donates $1 mil to his campaign!
Democrats only care about social issues and foreign policy when all the wrong-doing is being done by the other side.
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Do you think your parent's taxes covered the full cost of the resources you used? [/QUOTE]
YES! They've been paying school, property and federal taxes for about 50 years now! I've been paying the same for about 15. My college education didn't even cost that much!
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No one said it was
ing free. Maybe if you thought about how much you benefit from public systems instead of having a knee-jerk reaction, his comment might make a little more sense, but since you insist on harping on superficial bullshit, this is again, no big
ing surprise.
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It's not superficial. You're acting as though somebody helped me out of the kindness of their own hearts and I should attribute any success I have to the great and powerful state, when in fact, it's all bought and paid for. A service was paid for (even though it was involuntary) and a service was rendered.
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This isn't your first rodeo in vs. as you've been occasionally dropping in every so often to do your little "thread-shit and run" routine, so kindly take your bullshit trolling else where.
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Who is running? Here I stand. Do I eventually stop posting? Sure, I have a life to live. At some point, I have to let things go, because I'm not going to convince you anything, and you won't convince me of anything, so besides the fact that it's kind of fun, what's the point?
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What you're interpreting as a "liberal circle-jerk" is anything BUT that. Just because some of us were getting off on the sick ice-burns doesn't mean that none of us understand the implications of what went on at the DNC or see how there was a radical shift in military cheerleading, muchless not understanding the entire purpose of it! Making the equivalence, explictly or implicitly, of liberals here to staunch conservatives is a huge
ing fallacy when all of us liberals are anything BUT parrots and ideologues.
All you're doing here is pulling an Eastwood and arguing with an imaginary "liberal" on an empty chair that doesn't exist.[/QUOTE]
I'll say again, where's the outcry over the crimes of the administration that you and those like you prop up? When the occupy movement started, there wasn't a peep mentioned about the wars, the killing, the slighting of civil liberties. Nothing.
Democrats don't come out cheering for these things like the right do, but they don't do anything or say anything when the left do it behind closed doors.
