40gb PS3 $399, no bc - 11/2, $499 80gb, limited bc, now. 56,877 new skus rumored

[quote name='dallow']Yeah, there's the obviously fun and cool games that are hyped for a given system.

And then there are the smaller fun and cool games that get lost in the shuffle.[/quote]

Like.. Beyond good and evil -- its a shame there's a cliffhanger that will never be un... cliff... hung...:cry:
 
[quote name='Punk_Raven']GS.com has *NEW* 20 gigs for 450...[/QUOTE]
They've been at that price.

They need to drop the price of the 20 and 60GBs.
 
[quote name='elwood731']If someone dropped the 60 GB to $399 I would be very tempted. Not sure I would bite, but I would be tempted.[/QUOTE]It will never happen. SCEA said themselves that there's still a demand for the full BC, so they'll just let it sell out.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']It will never happen. SCEA said themselves that there's still a demand for the full BC, so they'll just let it sell out.[/quote]Wait there isn't enough demand to include BC in the new 40 gig even though it cost them basically nothing but there is enough demand to keep the 60 gig at the same price as the 80 gig which comes with 20 more gigs of space and Motorstorm!?!?

I'd be surprised by this logic if it was anyone else other than Sony.
 
[quote name='FxhoundADAM']Wait there isn't enough demand to include BC in the new 40 gig even though it cost them basically nothing but there is enough demand to keep the 60 gig at the same price as the 80 gig which comes with 20 more gigs of space and Motorstorm!?!?

I'd be surprised by this logic if it was anyone else other than Sony.[/QUOTE]There's a group of people who may want the near full BC NOW over MotorStorm and extra HDD space (I know some people who want the 60GB PS3, but just waiting for their credit card to get approved), so that's why it's still priced at $500. At the same time, there are many retailers sold out of the 60GB (not all, but there are), so bringing the 80GB down to $500 gives people who want solid BC (although maybe not as good as the 60GB right now but getting there) only have to pay an extra $100. The 60GB will eventually go just like the original PSP, original DS, and original PS2. Also, the 60GB PS3 costs more to begin with (in comparison to the 80GB, due to having an EE, more expensive blu-ray diode, 2X more components being used, etc. I believe too the 80GB has better bluetooth connection).

The 40GB PS3 is intended for people who already own a PS2 (the number of PS2 owners is crazy), who just want a PS3 to play PS3 games (many stated before they didn't want a PS3 because they rather just use their PS2 for PS2 games), and those who really want a blu-ray player that can play PS3 games. This also gives the PS3 a cheaper price, for the mass market. Also, those who want to play PS2 games with accessories only (like Taiko Drum Master, Guitar Hero, etc.) can't play them on PS3 anyway.

Uh no, adding BC costs Sony money. Adding the EE/GS combo with its components costs around $50. Adding the GS and its components costs around $20-$25. The article itself said the costs was basically nothing, assuming PS3 was 100% software emulation for PS2 games (when in reality, PS3 was only 50% software emulation, for the 80GB at least).
 
[quote name='FxhoundADAM']Wait there isn't enough demand to include BC in the new 40 gig even though it cost them basically nothing but there is enough demand to keep the 60 gig at the same price as the 80 gig which comes with 20 more gigs of space and Motorstorm!?!?

I'd be surprised by this logic if it was anyone else other than Sony.[/quote]

They want to make as much money as they can off of the people who want Full BC.
 
[quote name='Punk_Raven']They want to make as much money as they can off of the people who want Full BC.[/QUOTE]Not completely. They just rather stick to two SKUs. I mean, they could have a PS3 40GB SKU with BC for $430, but that might be too much. ;)

Anyway, anyone who doesn't care about WiFi and wants a PS3 for $400 or less, go and buy the 20GB PS3 at Gamestop.com now. I'm starting threads at various forums trying to push it.
 
[quote name='Punk_Raven']They want to make as much money as they can off of the people who want Full BC.[/quote]But Sony told me BC wasn't important, so why would anyone pay for it....end sarcasm.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']Not completely. They just rather stick to two SKUs. I mean, they could have a PS3 40GB SKU with BC for $430, but that might be too much. ;)

Anyway, anyone who doesn't care about WiFi and wants a PS3 for $400 or less, go and buy the 20GB PS3 at Gamestop.com now. I'm starting threads at various forums trying to push it.[/QUOTE]
Oh shit, they did drop the 20GB to $380.
 
[quote name='slidecage']sorry but the avg. mother isnt going to run out and spend 400 bucks for a system that will NOT Play the older games.

now maybe if the PS3 HAD some MUST PLAY GAMES i could see spending 400 bucks for a sytem BUT no chance in hell most people minds will be changed.

Hell people bitched at the PS2 at 300 bucks and that INCLUDED bACKWARDS ps1 playable games BUT think the PS3 at 400 is a good deal with no BC is good LOL[/QUOTE]

The average mother thinks every system can play "the mario game."

Ironically, the average mother also types more coherently than you.

[quote name='dmaul1114']I just think it's odd to have so many sku's and so many differences in what you get.

As I said early in the thread, going to $400 was a step in the right direction, and the only reason I was even on the fence between a 360/PS3 purchase this fall. Before the rumors of this price drop the PS3 wasn't even in the picture.

So I'm not bitching about the price drop, just a bit annoyed that they launced with such a stupidly high price to begin with, and have had to scramble so much to try to get a reasonably priced machine out by ditching BC etc.[/QUOTE]

The difference is that you *know* what those differences are, and you can buy a PS3 accordingly. Don't want to spend many ducats and don't mind keeping the PS2 you have? Buy the 40GB. Want to replace the PS2 with PS3? Buy the 60/80GB when it hits a pricepoint you're happy with, whether it's $600 or $200. Just recognize that you may have to be patient.

Since you, as a consumer, can recognize the differences that average mother (and father, let's be fair) can not...where's the problem?

[quote name='NamPaehc']I wish they'd over them online as downloads like the Ps1 games and let you remote play them on your PSP.[/QUOTE]

I wish they'd actually offer PS1 games as downloads. ;)

[quote name='zewone']I really try to play only AA or AAA.

I seldom have the desire to finish or even start a B title.

What's the point?[/QUOTE]

The point? Perhaps that definitions of "A/AAA/B/fuckin' whatever else" are completely arbitrary and vary wildly as a result, which kinda renders your point irrelevant.

Then again, I thought the point was ultimately to have fun. I could be wrong about that, though. Blowing my gamerscore out of the atmosphere must be in the top 5, or 10, or something.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']that definitions of "A/AAA/B/fuckin' whatever else" are completely arbitrary and vary wildly as a result, which kinda renders your point irrelevant.

Then again, I thought the point was ultimately to have fun. I could be wrong about that, though. Blowing my gamerscore out of the atmosphere must be in the top 5, or 10, or something.[/QUOTE]
Well, I meant top notch games for yourself, not what a gaming publication tells you is AAA (fun is usually factored into these).

Who's blowing who in the what now?
 
[quote name='zewone']Well, I meant top notch games for yourself, not what a gaming publication tells you is AAA (fun is usually factored into these).

Who's blowing who in the what now?[/QUOTE]

Not I. I suppose you have a point if it comes to people who knowingly play awful games, be it for completion's sake, gamerpoints, or something else. That's surely a tiny, tiny proportion of gamers on the whole.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Not I. I suppose you have a point if it comes to people who knowingly play awful games, be it for completion's sake, gamerpoints, or something else. That's surely a tiny, tiny proportion of gamers on the whole.[/QUOTE]


For me, I try to only play games I think are AAA. A lot of times even a decent game that I'd put in the B or A- level I'll not finish and get rid of to move on to something else I really love. I don't have that much time (or more that I'm not willing to devote that much time) to gaming so I try to maximize my gaming time by not playing many games that don't give me that "Wow this is one of the best games I've ever played!" feeling.

Maybe that's more what he's getting at, rather than people playing awful games. Some don't even want to play the decent ones, or the mediocre ones.
 
That doesn't change my point that individual taste muddles the very idea of "AAA" games so much that it's a meaningless term. Would you have me believe that the only games you've played in the past decade are from the Zelda or Halo franchises?
 
[quote name='zewone']Oh shit, they did drop the 20GB to $380.[/quote]
Damn, I fucked myself over by buying early. I don't really need wireless or the extra ports so I could have just thrown in a bigger (and faster) HD into the 20 GB and bought up a bunch of accessories with the extra $120. Damnit to hell.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']That doesn't change my point that individual taste muddles the very idea of "AAA" games so much that it's a meaningless term. Would you have me believe that the only games you've played in the past decade are from the Zelda or Halo franchises?[/QUOTE]

It's only meaningful at the individual level. I only like to play games that I'd give a 9.0 or higher. Most of the time if I play and finish something that I liked less than that, I feel I wasted my time as there's always a large backlog of games out there that I could be playing and finding personal AAA games from.

That said, of course I haven't only played Zelda and Halo, as there are plenty of other games/franchises that I'd rate 9.0 or higher over the past decade. Many of those are blockbusters, but many are smaller games like Okami as well. For instance, so far this year I've played Super Paper Mario (not AAA) and Metroid Prime 3 on the Wii, Planet Puzzle League and Picross DS on the DS, and I'm currently playing Bioshock on 360, with Halo 3 and Orange Box on deck and Forza 2/Marvel: UA on the back burner. Will pick up Super Mario Galaxy and that will be it for this year. Well, maybe Guitar Hero 3, but probably won't pick that up until 2008 given the backlog. Same with Mass Effect.

But overall I agree AAA doesn't have much meaning in an objective sense. But for the most part any attempts to talk about games objectively are just coming from elitists assholes who think their opinion is worth more than anyone else's anyway. :D

It's pretty much all subjective, and judging quality (which AAA label is for) is 100% subjective. So I don't have a problem with the AAA label as long as people are using it just to label games themselves and not to try to argue that their overpriced piece of plastic of choice is better than someone elses. :D
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']It's only meaningful at the individual level. I only like to play games that I'd give a 9.0 or higher. Most of the time if I play and finish something that I liked less than that, I feel I wasted my time as there's always a large backlog of games out there that I could be playing and finding personal AAA games from.[/quote]

But to say it's meaningful at the individual level reinforces just how meaningless it is to say. It's akin to saying "I like to eat food I like." Of course you do. So does everyone else.

But overall I agree AAA doesn't have much meaning in an objective sense. But for the most part any attempts to talk about games objectively are just coming from elitists assholes who think their opinion is worth more than anyone else's anyway. :D
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I disagree, but not entirely. I'm particularly uninterested in how much stock people put into numerical ratings of games (not to mention how tenuous their meaning is, as a low rating for a game one is ambivalent about is an indicator of how bad a game is, while a low rating for a game one adores is an indicator of how awful, biased, and unintelligent the reviewer is - see Zelda: TP for that). That's not to say that games can not be objectively reviewed, but to translate meaningful differences (those objective differences of EA Big Sports Franchise 08 from the 07 version, or the 30 vs 60FPS of those who moan and wail and gnash their teeth when comparing the PS3 and 360 version) into a point scale is silly and unintelligent. But, that's not to say that games can not be objectively reviewed; I think it's more the brevity of reviews that bothers me.

It's pretty much all subjective, and judging quality (which AAA label is for) is 100% subjective. So I don't have a problem with the AAA label as long as people are using it just to label games themselves and not to try to argue that their overpriced piece of plastic of choice is better than someone elses. :D
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But it's redundant, no? Again, it's like saying "I eat food I like." Or, instead of saying "I only play AAA titles," I could say "I only play 9.5 or 10.0 games." Well, you may ask, who reviews them? I do. I decide if I think they should be a 9.0, a 9.5, or a 6.0.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
But it's redundant, no? Again, it's like saying "I eat food I like." Or, instead of saying "I only play AAA titles," I could say "I only play 9.5 or 10.0 games." Well, you may ask, who reviews them? I do. I decide if I think they should be a 9.0, a 9.5, or a 6.0.[/QUOTE]

Definitely redundant. I've never been much into discussion personal ratings of games etc. To each their own.

I just like threads where people discuss their impressions while playing through, ask for help if they get stuck etc.

Can't stand threads like the Twilight Princess ones you refrenced that are all about bitching about another person's opinion of the review of the game.

I've never understood getting upset over other peoples scores/opinions of games. Just play it and enjoy it if you like. Who cares what others think?

I mean reviews are sometimes useful in deciding whether to check out a game you might not have otherwise, but for the most part I know the types of games I like. And if I'm unsure on a game it's not like a rental (or playing the demo if it's available) is that hard to do.
 
Ugh 60GB PS3s are running low on supply..my local CC ran out (according to online). Dunno about other stores around me but I'm assuming they're close to sold out....please Amazon...a 60GB with an extra game and controller is all I ask.
 
Sony changes models so much, that I think that the 40gb unit is here just for the holidays.. [cause they need something cheap] I bet that a 399 model will return w/ BC sometime in 2008.
 
[quote name='BattleChicken']I think we're all avoiding the most important question:

If you buy a 40 gig PS3, does it make you a terrorist?

I assert that yes, yes it does.[/quote]

How'd hell would it do that? Everybody is crying, because it has no BC and it's the end of the world.
 
[quote name='Mr. Pink']How'd hell would it do that? Everybody is crying, because it has no BC and it's the end of the world.[/QUOTE]
You must be new to the internets.

I tried to preorder a 40GB at GS today.

They gave me a laundry list of reasons why I shouldn't but it.

I asked them again if I could just preorder, they finally just said no.
 
[quote name='zewone']You must be new to the internets.

I tried to preorder a 40GB at GS today.

They gave me a laundry list of reasons why I shouldn't but it.

I asked them again if I could just preorder, they finally just said no.[/QUOTE]

I have grown to ignore the GS employees for the most part... they're not helpful... they push preorders... and the ones in the stores near me are unapologetic 360 fanboys. (And not the nice, quiet, polite and civil fanboys such as we have here on CAG...heheheh)

I've got both consoles... I'm platform agnostic. I don't need a lesson on what's better/worse between the two... but it never helps. ;) *shrug* whatever makes them want to get out of bed in the morning I guess.
 
[quote name='zewone']You must be new to the internets.

I tried to preorder a 40GB at GS today.

They gave me a laundry list of reasons why I shouldn't but it.

I asked them again if I could just preorder, they finally just said no.[/QUOTE]

So you're looking to buy a PS3 again?
 
[quote name='seanr1221']So you're looking to buy a PS3 again?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, MGS4 is calling my name.

I'll probably sell it after that. :lol:
 
[quote name='nikelecious91']Ugh 60GB PS3s are running low on supply..my local CC ran out (according to online). Dunno about other stores around me but I'm assuming they're close to sold out....please Amazon...a 60GB with an extra game and controller is all I ask.[/quote]

Don't necessarily trust the CC on-line supply count. I've been waiting for a few gift cards to CC to come in, and all the while, both my local CCs said they had 60GB models in stock. Yesterday, the cards came, I went on-line to buy with an in-store pickup option, but both stores were listed as being sold out.

I went to the closest one anyway, and asked. Turned out they had one left - plus the in-store deal was better than on line. On-line, you get a free controller. In-store, it was a controller or an option of one of 6-8 different games. I walked out with a fully BC 60GB and Resistance: FOM for $499 +tax.

I have now completed my current gen collection. Time to start saving for the Xbox 720, Wii2, and PS4...
 
[quote name='zewone']You must be new to the internets.

I tried to preorder a 40GB at GS today.

They gave me a laundry list of reasons why I shouldn't but it.

I asked them again if I could just preorder, they finally just said no.[/quote]

Name me at least 3.
 
[quote name='zewone']Yeah, MGS4 is calling my name.

I'll probably sell it after that. :lol:[/QUOTE]



hold up, there are going to be like 6 price drops before then.
 
[quote name='dallow']What the heck is wrong with GS that they wouldn't let you preorder it?[/QUOTE]

Probably worried that they'll have a hard time selling the 60 and 80GB ones they have at $500. Shouldn't be as many will go for those for the BC. But that's all I can think of.
 
[quote name='dallow']Don't think that's a good enough reason.
You should be able to preorder whatever you want.[/QUOTE]

Oh definitely. Especially given how hard they hawk fucking preorders most of the time.

The store just sucks on all fronts. I haven't been in one in nearly a year.....well I take that back. I did pick up Metroid Prime 3 there as I was able to trade Super Paper Mario in for $35 with a coupon. But that was the first and only time in the past year. :D
 
I don't know why they wouldn't let me preorder it.

They just stopped paying attention to me when I didn't want to buy a 60 or 80GB.
 
[quote name='zewone']I don't know why they wouldn't let me preorder it.

They just stopped paying attention to me when I didn't want to buy a 60 or 80GB.[/quote]

It sounds like you should buy it somewhere else.. they clearly don't want your business.

If the SKU is in their system, they should allow you to preorder it.
 
I would buy it somewhere else, but I have $300+ in credit there.

I know I could spend the credit at a different GS, but it's all going to the same place, and this one is closest to my home.
 
Send an email to customer service. It's been a while since I did it but you can email about store issues through the website, and I actually had a district manager call me back.... I'm sure they'd like to know a store is trying to discourage a $400 purchase. (sure they don't make profit on the systems but make sure you mention you definitely wouldn't go back to buy games there ;) )
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Yes, and they're spetacular.[/QUOTE]

Is that a Seinfeld reference ?

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[quote name='Richlough']Is that a Seinfeld reference ?

spectacular.jpg
[/QUOTE]

:applause:

Thank you. I'm sad that Seinfeld references are getting less noticed these days.
 
[quote name='pop311']do y'all think that there will be 60GBs around during Christmas?[/quote]

I doubt it. Chances get slimmer too with Black Friday coming around. I myself hope they have a deal on it somewhere so I can finally pick one up.
 
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