5 GIs investigated over killing of Iraqi family after raping daughter

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BEIJI, Iraq - Five U.S. Army soldiers are being investigated for allegedly raping a young woman, then killing her and three members of her family in Iraq, a U.S. military official told The Associated Press on Friday.

The soldiers also allegedly burned the body of the woman they are accused of raping.

Maj. Gen. James D. Thurman, commander of coalition troops in Baghdad, had ordered a criminal investigation into the alleged killing of a family of four in Mahmoudiya, south of Baghdad, the U.S. command said. It did not elaborate.

However, a U.S. official close to the investigation said at least one of the soldiers, all assigned to the 502nd Infantry Regiment, has admitted his role and has been arrested. Two soldiers from the same regiment were slain this month when they were kidnapped at a checkpoint near Youssifiyah.

At least four other soldiers have had their weapons taken away and are confined to Forward Operating Base Mahmoudiyah south of Baghdad. The official spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

The official said the killings appear to be unrelated to the kidnappings but that a soldier felt compelled to report the killings after his fellow soldiers’ bodies were found.

The killings appeared to have been a “crime of opportunity,” the source said. The soldiers had not been attacked by insurgents but had noticed the woman on previous patrols

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13630952/


I guess that's just all part of war, right? :whistle2:(
 
Wonderful. Well done, assbags. Wear those stars and stripes proud for us now.

What a fucking mess.
 
You just hate America. Why not focus on the school we painted, the one that has electricity four full hours a day? WE ARE HEROS!
 
By far the most interesting part, IMO:

The official said the accused soldiers were from the same platoon as the two slain soldiers, whose bodies were mutilated. He said the mutilation of the slain soldiers stirred feelings of guilt and led at least one of them to reveal the rape-slaying on June 22.
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It COULD just be a coincidence - or it could be that the two killed soldiers were in deliberate retaliation for the US soldier's crimes. One of the soldiers involved, at least, seems to feel that there's a connection.
 
I dont like hearing stories about stuff like this happeneing but i dont understand why people are surprised when they surface. All throughout history war atrocities have taken place and will continue to do so. War is not a pretty thing.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Didn't things like this happen in a little place called Vietnam?[/QUOTE]

It also happend in a little place called the "European Theatre of Operations" during World War II. I did the stats and tables for a professors' book on the outcomes of military trials on soldiers accused of rape in England, France, and Germany during WWII.

There were 350-400 cases (rapes and rape/murders) in those three countries alone. Those were just the dudes who went to trial over it, not those whose COs looked the other way when it happened.

A soldier was more likely to be executed (yes, really) for doing this in England than in Germany or France (allies, duh); they were also far more likely to be executed for this (again, yes, really) if they were black than white.
 
[quote name='onetrackmind']I dont like hearing stories about stuff like this happeneing but i dont understand why people are surprised when they surface. All throughout history war atrocities have taken place and will continue to do so. War is not a pretty thing.[/quote]

it's not surprise, it's disgust.

to say war isn't a pretty thing doesn't really begin to clarify that women and men in Iraq, at the hands of american soldiers to begin with, are being raped and killed for no reason.
 
[quote name='Sleepkyng']it's not surprise, it's disgust.

to say war isn't a pretty thing doesn't really begin to clarify that women and men in Iraq, at the hands of american soldiers to begin with, are being raped and killed for no reason.[/QUOTE]

I dont disagree with you at all on those points. :shrugs: Maybe you just have a better faith in the human race than i do. Everyday i see and read about the fucked up things people do to other people for no reason. Maybe i'm jaded but i dont see that many good people in the world so when i see stories like this one im just not surprised. You make a valid point though sir.
 
i feel yah for sure - but then again, you read about the crazy shit because no one finds all the little nice day to day newsworthy.

for instance, i've been travelling alot - but i used hospitality club and couchsurfing which are websites where people just offer up their places for you to crash for a bit.

i stayed in tunisia with an islamic student and it was really incredible - he was definitely one of the nicest hosts ive ever met and he told me a lot about how students in islamic countries are studying their religion more now because they're confused about what's happening in the world - which is another perspective about the new rise in islamic studies world wide.

i dunno, every day where i live people are sweet to me, smile at me, and i have good exchanges - most cags are good shits, sure we're immature and all but i don't feel like anyone on the boards are bad people. i'd have a beer with 99% of the people here - except for Strell, who scares me.
 
[quote name='Sleepkyng']it's not surprise, it's disgust.

to say war isn't a pretty thing doesn't really begin to clarify that women and men in Iraq, at the hands of american soldiers to begin with, are being raped and killed for no reason.[/quote]

I agree. "War is not a pretty thing" isn't an excuse for RAPE (nothing is). I don't care how many years someone's "served our country," but they're just another scumbag like the morons over in Darfur when they commit rape.

fuck them.

And actually, I don't really like the "War is hell" argument for much of anything personally. Soldiers enlist VOLUNTARILY to do a job, get trained, get compensated for it, etc. Iraq soldiers are not victims dammit...drafted soldiers are victims. There's plenty of war history out there that tells any prospective soldier who knows how to read that wartime is a fucked up situation, and they should be prepared to handle it mentally. I know a guy who came back from Iraq a couple of years ago missing a leg, and he'd bury his other one in anyone's ass who felt sorry for him and treated him like he was a victim. It's what he signed up for.
 
[quote name='Sleepkyng']
i stayed in tunisia with an islamic student and it was really incredible - he was definitely one of the nicest hosts ive ever met and he told me a lot about how students in islamic countries are studying their religion more now because they're confused about what's happening in the world - which is another perspective about the new rise in islamic studies world wide.[/quote]

Interesting perspective...I can imagine while a student of Islam would feel confused right now. I used to feel that about being a student of Christianity until I finally figured out that it was all or nothing, dropped it, and chose reason.

It's hard for the faithful of any fundamentalist religion to go through times like this when they have to basically ignore their humanistic sides in face of human crises and struggle to focus only on how their gods tell them to react...and it's quite sad actually. We've got a long ways to go in this area as a global society.
 
yeah, but i think, like all religions, islam can have a positive effect in someone's life - and that really, the die-hard islamic students i met in tunisia were some of the nicest people i've met in a long time - i don't agree about religion with them, but they were very tolerant of my views and interested in my perspective.

none of them have condoned violence in any way shape or form.
 
Thats what happens when we have our scumiest , poorest, and most uneducated people signing military contracts.

Recuiters like to go in the "hood" to get contracts.
 
[quote name='BodyShot213']Thats what happens when we have our scumiest , poorest, and most uneducated people signing military contracts.

Recuiters like to go in the "hood" to get contracts.[/quote]

i didn't see you signing up.
 
[quote name='Sleepkyng']i didn't see you signing up.[/quote]
That is such a fucking cop out comming from someone living in France. And before you scream it out, I know you're not French (at least from my understandings from posts in other threads).
 
[quote name='BodyShot213']Thats what happens when we have our scumiest , poorest, and most uneducated people signing military contracts.

Recuiters like to go in the "hood" to get contracts.[/QUOTE]

Only if you're shortsighted enough to think that the US is the sole world power to take advantage of those in nations occupied by them.

That's like trying to say the US invented fucking.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']That is such a fucking cop out comming from someone living in France. And before you scream it out, I know you're not French (at least from my understandings from posts in other threads).[/quote]

what? how is that a cop out? I don't agree with the war in iraq, but i don't think that all the people in the US Military are "poor, uneducated, scummy" etc.

two of my good friends are in the military, and one just finished his four years of service - so what exactly is the cop out?

the above poster insinuated that the US enrolls poor, unedcuated scum to be in the military - while it may be true that one can find poor or uneducated or scummy people in the military, i just don't find that to be true for any of my friends (except for the poor part, and only for one of them).

There's plenty of problems here in France too, but actually, rape and violent crime is not one of them. But there is a lot of seething and renlentless racism here.
 
[quote name='Sleepkyng']the above poster insinuated that the US enrolls poor, unedcuated scum to be in the military - while it may be true that one can find poor or uneducated or scummy people in the military, i just don't find that to be true for any of my friends (except for the poor part, and only for one of them).
[/QUOTE]

Because your friends represent an adequately large sample, right?
 
whether or not they do doesn't support the idea that the soldiers are "poor" "scummy" or "uneducated" - whatever those words imply.
 
Well, considering that you don't really see kids from the upper class homes going into the military. Though you do see recruiters in the inner cities where like 99% is from lowest class. If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and acts like a duck.

I know from when I was in high school, there were two types that went into the military. First were the ones that wanted to actually better themselves and do something with their life. The others were just stupid ignorant hood rats
 
i guess i'm not willing to seperate an entire group of people into two categories.

one of my friends went into the military because it made the most financial sense, and now he owns a condo in Vegas and is done with all that.

I also don't think it's fair to make a statment that basically assumes that raping and killing was done by the poor and uneducated. If i'm not mistaken,
most rapes committed in America are by people that the victim is aquianted with:
http://www.rainn.org/statistics/index.html
Contrary to the belief that rapists are hiding in the bushes or in the shadows of the parking garage, almost two-thirds of all rapes were committed by someone who is known to the victim. 67% of sexual assaults were perpetrated by a non-stranger – 47% of perpetrators were a friend or acquaintance of the victim, 17% were an intimate and 3% were another relative.
National Crime Victimization Survey, 2004

And with an overwhelming majority of rape victims being college-aged women:
  • One in three college women will experience a sexual assault in her lifetime.
  • 90% of sexual assaults were committed by acquaintances; 60% took place in the victim’s residence.
  • Nearly 5% of college women are victimized during any given year.
  • 70% of sexual assaults happened during a date.
  • 66.3% of college women are victimized off-campus.
  • Less than 5% of completed or attempted rapes are reported to law enforcement.
  • 3% of college men report surviving rape or attempted rape as a child or adult.
http://www.gmu.edu/facstaff/sexual/NSR_Stats.htm


The fact of the matter is that you most likely know several women who've been sexually assaulted if you attend a college.
 
Ultimatly, the way i see it as what went down is that they got under so much stress, and subconsciously(sp?) decided to do something stupid. I can't think of a better way to put it, nor do we know the full methodology of they're way of thinking. And they killed the family to silence what had happened
 
If you're not an American hater, you would turn a blind eye and continue to believe that our soldiers can do no wrong and that this is another lie made up by the Godless America-hating liberal media, and all the reporters and editors who exposed this story should be executed for treason in order to preserve our democracy :)
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Ultimatly, the way i see it as what went down is that they got under so much stress, and subconsciously(sp?) decided to do something stupid. I can't think of a better way to put it, nor do we know the full methodology of they're way of thinking. And they killed the family to silence what had happened[/quote]

How do you subconsciously decide to rape someone?

Though it also said they had seen the woman before. It didn't look like a spur of the moment thing, though the killing might have been.
 
[quote name='Cheese']You just hate America. Why not focus on the school we painted, the one that has electricity four full hours a day? WE ARE HEROS![/quote]America really hasnt done anything special. All it has is manpower and money. Yet it is in debt like my in college.
 
[quote name='xeverex18']America really hasnt done anything special. All it has is manpower and money. Yet it is in debt like my in college.[/QUOTE]

You're in college?!? Please say it's ITT Tech or something.
 
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