$50 price cut August 8th?
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[quote name='whiptcracker']Yes. If they bundle the sucker with a memory card then I definantly know some people who will be buying the 360 over the Wii. For one, it's easier to find, and at the moment I would certainly hold the game selection on the 360 above current Wii titles.[/QUOTE]
But the game lineups are very different.
The parents, non-gamers etc. buying Wiis for Wii sports likely have no interest in Gears of War etc.
The wide appeal is why Wiis are selling like hotcakes. At least IMO, as there just isn't much there right now for traditional gamers.
But the game lineups are very different.
The parents, non-gamers etc. buying Wiis for Wii sports likely have no interest in Gears of War etc.
The wide appeal is why Wiis are selling like hotcakes. At least IMO, as there just isn't much there right now for traditional gamers.
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[quote name='dmaul1114']But the game lineups are very different.
The parents, non-gamers etc. buying Wiis for Wii sports likely have no interest in Gears of War etc.
The wide appeal is why Wiis are selling like hotcakes. At least IMO, as there just isn't much there right now for traditional gamers.[/QUOTE]
True, but there is a very family friendly line up available on the 360 as well. It's obviously not all just games like Gears of War. Which is why I said availability becomes a factor into it as well. If a parent goes to get the Wii and it's out, but here's a console with a similar price that also has games like Shrek, Viva Pinata, Lego Star Wars, etc...well uninformed parents will buy what's available.
In addition to that demographic, older games who have been waiting on a price jump will also be all over it. You might say $50 isn't much, but it certainly helped PS2 sales last generation when they made the same drop. Also, the 360 also now has a line up of games that are cheaper than a lot of PS3 or Wii titles.
There's some impressive titles coming out on the Wii this Fall/Winter, but unless those games really take advantage of the Wii controller then I think the demand will slow down. Plus I think people are underestimating the increase in demand a cheaper price + the releases of GTA and Halo 3 will have.
The parents, non-gamers etc. buying Wiis for Wii sports likely have no interest in Gears of War etc.
The wide appeal is why Wiis are selling like hotcakes. At least IMO, as there just isn't much there right now for traditional gamers.[/QUOTE]
True, but there is a very family friendly line up available on the 360 as well. It's obviously not all just games like Gears of War. Which is why I said availability becomes a factor into it as well. If a parent goes to get the Wii and it's out, but here's a console with a similar price that also has games like Shrek, Viva Pinata, Lego Star Wars, etc...well uninformed parents will buy what's available.
In addition to that demographic, older games who have been waiting on a price jump will also be all over it. You might say $50 isn't much, but it certainly helped PS2 sales last generation when they made the same drop. Also, the 360 also now has a line up of games that are cheaper than a lot of PS3 or Wii titles.
There's some impressive titles coming out on the Wii this Fall/Winter, but unless those games really take advantage of the Wii controller then I think the demand will slow down. Plus I think people are underestimating the increase in demand a cheaper price + the releases of GTA and Halo 3 will have.
[quote name='whiptcracker']True, but there is a very family friendly line up available on the 360 as well. It's obviously not all just games like Gears of War. Which is why I said availability becomes a factor into it as well. If a parent goes to get the Wii and it's out, but here's a console with a similar price that also has games like Shrek, Viva Pinata, Lego Star Wars, etc...well uninformed parents will buy what's available.
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True, but marketing and image is what makes non-gamers, parents etc. choose one over the other. Nintendo has the "kid friendly" reputation and has been actively targeting the non-gamer market. That's where the demand is coming from.
MS is targeting traditional gamers with their ads for the most part, with stuff like Gears, Forza, DIRT etc. getting a lot of major TV ads, and not so much for Viva Pinata etc.
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In addition to that demographic, older games who have been waiting on a price jump will also be all over it. You might say $50 isn't much, but it certainly helped PS2 sales last generation when they made the same drop. Also, the 360 also now has a line up of games that are cheaper than a lot of PS3 or Wii titles.
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The PS2 saw a spike in sales when it dropped $100 from $299.99 to $199.99. A $50 price drop on the 360 will help, but less so since it is a smaller drop on a more expensive console (tard pack core aside).
I really want a 360, but $350 for a defective system is still a tough sell. Maybe $350 with the new chips and a retailer deal with a free game or two or year of Live would get me to bite. But not $350 for just the current, defective, noisy system. A lot of games coming I want to play, but I'll wait for the redesign or a drop to $300. I'll just keep going to my buddies to play the big 360 games until then.
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There's some impressive titles coming out on the Wii this Fall/Winter, but unless those games really take advantage of the Wii controller then I think the demand will slow down. Plus I think people are underestimating the increase in demand a cheaper price + the releases of GTA and Halo 3 will have.[/QUOTE]
Demand won't slow down. Tons of kids will be wanting a Wii for X-mas for Mario Galaxy and Super Smash Bros, along with non-gamers wanting it for a gift for Wii Sports and Wii Fit.
I'm very underwhelmed by the Wii personally, but demand is going to be crazy through the holidays.
GTAIV etc. will get some attention from hard core gamers, but again, Nintendo is ignoring those and going after kids, non-gamers and longtime Nintendo fans. Of course there will be some overlap in the market, but for the most part MS/Sony and Nintendo are going after different demographics.
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True, but marketing and image is what makes non-gamers, parents etc. choose one over the other. Nintendo has the "kid friendly" reputation and has been actively targeting the non-gamer market. That's where the demand is coming from.
MS is targeting traditional gamers with their ads for the most part, with stuff like Gears, Forza, DIRT etc. getting a lot of major TV ads, and not so much for Viva Pinata etc.
[quote name='whiptcracker']
In addition to that demographic, older games who have been waiting on a price jump will also be all over it. You might say $50 isn't much, but it certainly helped PS2 sales last generation when they made the same drop. Also, the 360 also now has a line up of games that are cheaper than a lot of PS3 or Wii titles.
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The PS2 saw a spike in sales when it dropped $100 from $299.99 to $199.99. A $50 price drop on the 360 will help, but less so since it is a smaller drop on a more expensive console (tard pack core aside).
I really want a 360, but $350 for a defective system is still a tough sell. Maybe $350 with the new chips and a retailer deal with a free game or two or year of Live would get me to bite. But not $350 for just the current, defective, noisy system. A lot of games coming I want to play, but I'll wait for the redesign or a drop to $300. I'll just keep going to my buddies to play the big 360 games until then.
[quote name='whiptcracker']
There's some impressive titles coming out on the Wii this Fall/Winter, but unless those games really take advantage of the Wii controller then I think the demand will slow down. Plus I think people are underestimating the increase in demand a cheaper price + the releases of GTA and Halo 3 will have.[/QUOTE]
Demand won't slow down. Tons of kids will be wanting a Wii for X-mas for Mario Galaxy and Super Smash Bros, along with non-gamers wanting it for a gift for Wii Sports and Wii Fit.
I'm very underwhelmed by the Wii personally, but demand is going to be crazy through the holidays.
GTAIV etc. will get some attention from hard core gamers, but again, Nintendo is ignoring those and going after kids, non-gamers and longtime Nintendo fans. Of course there will be some overlap in the market, but for the most part MS/Sony and Nintendo are going after different demographics.
[quote name='dmaul1114']GTAIV etc. will get some attention from hard core gamers, but again, Nintendo is ignoring those and going after kids, non-gamers and longtime Nintendo fans. Of course there will be some overlap in the market, but for the most part MS/Sony and Nintendo are going after different demographics.[/QUOTE]
hardcore gamers? wow....guess you really dont know how big GTA series is...
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In the top 20 best selling games of all time, guess what series made its way in to the top 10 list 3 times just counting the ps2 game sales? Even if they counted wii sports(a bundled game), it would not pass the sales of even the lowest GTA. GTA will sell and it will sell big.
If MS provides a low enough price, not only will it compete with the wii for customers trying to buy a cheaper console, but people who own a wii will go out and get it to play the major hits like GTA that they arent getting.
The nongamers may play the wii, but im still willing to bet most people who own the wii are gamers with nongamer friends.
hardcore gamers? wow....guess you really dont know how big GTA series is...
The more you know
In the top 20 best selling games of all time, guess what series made its way in to the top 10 list 3 times just counting the ps2 game sales? Even if they counted wii sports(a bundled game), it would not pass the sales of even the lowest GTA. GTA will sell and it will sell big.
If MS provides a low enough price, not only will it compete with the wii for customers trying to buy a cheaper console, but people who own a wii will go out and get it to play the major hits like GTA that they arent getting.
The nongamers may play the wii, but im still willing to bet most people who own the wii are gamers with nongamer friends.
[quote name='Weedy649']hardcore gamers? wow....guess you really dont know how big GTA series is...
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Poor term. I just meant that parents, non-gamers etc. that are buying the Wii for crap like Wiisports (i.e. the people Nintendo is aggressively marketing towards) are unlikely to be interested in stuff like GTA--otherwise they wouldn't have been non-gamers going into this gen.
I should have just said "gamers" rather than hardcore gamers, as my point was just that games like GTAIV aren't going to pull many people away from the Wii. It will sway some "gamers" who are on the fence about a 360 or Wii, but it won't sway much holiday sales as traditional gamers aren't the main target audience for the Wii.
Which is honestly why I'm not digging the console much. There's just not enough substantive games for us traditional gamers.
As for a second console, yes, it wil help sell 360's that way. Not to me as I hate the GTA games, but it will be a mover for many gamers who are bored with the Wii and want to pick up another console to complement it.
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Poor term. I just meant that parents, non-gamers etc. that are buying the Wii for crap like Wiisports (i.e. the people Nintendo is aggressively marketing towards) are unlikely to be interested in stuff like GTA--otherwise they wouldn't have been non-gamers going into this gen.
I should have just said "gamers" rather than hardcore gamers, as my point was just that games like GTAIV aren't going to pull many people away from the Wii. It will sway some "gamers" who are on the fence about a 360 or Wii, but it won't sway much holiday sales as traditional gamers aren't the main target audience for the Wii.
Which is honestly why I'm not digging the console much. There's just not enough substantive games for us traditional gamers.
As for a second console, yes, it wil help sell 360's that way. Not to me as I hate the GTA games, but it will be a mover for many gamers who are bored with the Wii and want to pick up another console to complement it.
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[quote name='dmaul1114']GTAIV etc. will get some attention from hard core gamers, but again, Nintendo is ignoring those and going after kids, non-gamers and longtime Nintendo fans. Of course there will be some overlap in the market, but for the most part MS/Sony and Nintendo are going after different demographics.[/QUOTE]
Even so, there is a considerable amount of gamers above the age of 18 that have yet to purchase a next gen console, either Wii or 360. I was originally responding to the comment Dr Mario Kart made saying that at the same price, people would buy the Wii. You mention that they're going after completely different demographics regardless, and while I agree with that I'd say at $250 the system is actually too expensive for most non-gamers to consider. At $250 instead of buying Wii Fit, you can just buy a moderately priced excersize machine. In fact I bet more non-gamers would spend the money towards a PS2 than choose the Wii at the moment.
I disagree with Mario keeping the Wii momentum strong. Mario Sunshine (which I actually liked) didn't exactly keep the Gamecubes flying off the shelves. Unless they can hook the traditional gamer I still see sales eventually slowing, or at the very least having a horrible attach rate for software if the mini-game collections/lazy ports continue. I think you mentioned the Wii controls being the Wii's hi-def (or someone did), but it really hasn't been taken advantage of well so far outside of mini-games. There are a lot of games where I'd rather just use a regular controller.
As far as advertising, you should almost ignore it. It really is going to come down to a parent standing in front of a display case with both systems and the games. If the Wii is unavailable and the Core is there, and they can pick up Lego Star Wars or the latest Disney/Pixar game for the same price, then they'll probably get the 360. Either way they'll both be at a price point where you can buy the both of them for the price of the 'cheap' PS3.
Even so, there is a considerable amount of gamers above the age of 18 that have yet to purchase a next gen console, either Wii or 360. I was originally responding to the comment Dr Mario Kart made saying that at the same price, people would buy the Wii. You mention that they're going after completely different demographics regardless, and while I agree with that I'd say at $250 the system is actually too expensive for most non-gamers to consider. At $250 instead of buying Wii Fit, you can just buy a moderately priced excersize machine. In fact I bet more non-gamers would spend the money towards a PS2 than choose the Wii at the moment.
I disagree with Mario keeping the Wii momentum strong. Mario Sunshine (which I actually liked) didn't exactly keep the Gamecubes flying off the shelves. Unless they can hook the traditional gamer I still see sales eventually slowing, or at the very least having a horrible attach rate for software if the mini-game collections/lazy ports continue. I think you mentioned the Wii controls being the Wii's hi-def (or someone did), but it really hasn't been taken advantage of well so far outside of mini-games. There are a lot of games where I'd rather just use a regular controller.
As far as advertising, you should almost ignore it. It really is going to come down to a parent standing in front of a display case with both systems and the games. If the Wii is unavailable and the Core is there, and they can pick up Lego Star Wars or the latest Disney/Pixar game for the same price, then they'll probably get the 360. Either way they'll both be at a price point where you can buy the both of them for the price of the 'cheap' PS3.
Time will tell on this, so no point in arguing over it.
I just don't see many parents of young children picking up a 360 as those kids will probably be asking specifically for a Wii.
For the older gamers, the 360 is the natural draw for any but Nintendo fans.
As for non-gamers, a lot of people get sucked into hype and advertising, as the Wii's crazy sales despite it's very weak (IMO) game library atest too, so you can't ignore them. Most people don't stand in front of a case and choose what to buy, they go to the store just to buy something, and if it's not their they don't get it/keep looking elsewhere for it. Especially consoles that range $250-350 (assuming the drop happens), those aren't impulse buys for most people.
But again time will tell. But I'd be shocked if the Wii didn't keep kicking ass through the holidays. Mario, Metroid, and Smash Bros should keep demand up, along with Wii Fit.
If you think Mario doens't still have selling power, check out the sales of New Super Mario Bros on the DS. But that said, Smash Bros will be the real system mover--also look at how many copies it sold on the Gamecube.
I just don't see many parents of young children picking up a 360 as those kids will probably be asking specifically for a Wii.
For the older gamers, the 360 is the natural draw for any but Nintendo fans.
As for non-gamers, a lot of people get sucked into hype and advertising, as the Wii's crazy sales despite it's very weak (IMO) game library atest too, so you can't ignore them. Most people don't stand in front of a case and choose what to buy, they go to the store just to buy something, and if it's not their they don't get it/keep looking elsewhere for it. Especially consoles that range $250-350 (assuming the drop happens), those aren't impulse buys for most people.
But again time will tell. But I'd be shocked if the Wii didn't keep kicking ass through the holidays. Mario, Metroid, and Smash Bros should keep demand up, along with Wii Fit.
If you think Mario doens't still have selling power, check out the sales of New Super Mario Bros on the DS. But that said, Smash Bros will be the real system mover--also look at how many copies it sold on the Gamecube.
As a parent and a "gamer" (though I'm not elitist enough to call myself a "hardcore" gamer), I have a Wii and love playing it with my wife and boy, although of course he can't play RE4. I was interested in it because the other consoles seemed to be focusing on "media center" (don't care) and competitive FPS/sports games (don't really care) and 3d DMC-like action/adventure games (like, but not 400-600$ worth.) And the price definitely had an effect on the decision to purchase it. I'll admit the Wii library is heavy on minigame collections and movie tie-ins, but there's plenty of those on the other consoles, and they have a preponderance of FPSes. Anyway, for "self" gaming I am interested in a 360 as well, I've heard lots of cool things about XBLA , though I probably won't get too far into the trashtalking chestthumping of XBL competitive games (although I could go for some Uno.).
Anyway, I'd like to MS to drop the price on the Elite, and for the hardware to be a little more stable/nondefective (even the GPU errors on the Wii didn't totally stop gameplay, and I got a replacement unit in ten days, counting July 4 holiday and weekends), and to have the ability to transfer data/DLC content after the first one breaks, before I get one.
I do think the Wii will keep selling, it'll probably slow down a bit, but Nintendo has a lot of great-looking franchise titles coming out. And assuming they're available, buying a 250-Wii to go with your 299-480 360 will be a lot easier purchase than the other way around, for those gamers who now have families.
I don't see a parent saying "Well, the 250$ Wii is out of stock, so let's the the 300-400 360, which doesn't come with a game--, hmm, how about The Darkness for 60 bucks for little Johnny?" at least not until near the holidays and it's "crunch time" for filling up under the tree.
PS2, yeah, I can see that as being more of an impulse purchase--it does have a great library, and the price of even the Wii, you could get the PS2, another controller and up to 5 games.
Anyway, if the Elite (or all) 360s drop 50 bucks, then the year of Live which CC gave away would in effect be "free" now, although I wouldn't mind a better deal (I missed the free-controller-and-FF2 game) deal.
Like was said before, 400-480 for a console that it's quite likely will break very soon, and be replaced with a functionally lesser unit, is pretty expensive. I don't like buying things I know will break.
Anyway, I'd like to MS to drop the price on the Elite, and for the hardware to be a little more stable/nondefective (even the GPU errors on the Wii didn't totally stop gameplay, and I got a replacement unit in ten days, counting July 4 holiday and weekends), and to have the ability to transfer data/DLC content after the first one breaks, before I get one.
I do think the Wii will keep selling, it'll probably slow down a bit, but Nintendo has a lot of great-looking franchise titles coming out. And assuming they're available, buying a 250-Wii to go with your 299-480 360 will be a lot easier purchase than the other way around, for those gamers who now have families.
I don't see a parent saying "Well, the 250$ Wii is out of stock, so let's the the 300-400 360, which doesn't come with a game--, hmm, how about The Darkness for 60 bucks for little Johnny?" at least not until near the holidays and it's "crunch time" for filling up under the tree.
PS2, yeah, I can see that as being more of an impulse purchase--it does have a great library, and the price of even the Wii, you could get the PS2, another controller and up to 5 games.
Anyway, if the Elite (or all) 360s drop 50 bucks, then the year of Live which CC gave away would in effect be "free" now, although I wouldn't mind a better deal (I missed the free-controller-and-FF2 game) deal.
Like was said before, 400-480 for a console that it's quite likely will break very soon, and be replaced with a functionally lesser unit, is pretty expensive. I don't like buying things I know will break.
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