67% of People Think Bush Could Have Done More

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Courtesy of my good pals over at Pew Research Center:

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=255

There is so much good information in this survey.

Some choice quotes:

Two-in-three Americans (67%) believe he could have done more to speed up relief efforts, while just 28% think he did all he could to get them going quickly.

Seven-in-ten blacks (71%) say the disaster shows that racial inequality remains a major problem in the country; a majority of whites (56%) say this was not a particularly important lesson of the disaster.

Fully 85% of Democrats and 71% of independents think the president could have done more to get aid to hurricane victims flowing more quickly. Republicans, on balance, feel the president did all he could to get relief efforts going, but even among his own partisans 40% say he could have done more.

However, comparable percentages of Republicans, Democrats and independents $ and blacks and whites $ report having made donations to help those affected by the hurricane. Overall, 56% of Americans say they have already made a donation to the relief efforts, while another 28% say they plan to do so.

Overall, two-thirds give news organizations excellent (28%) or good (37%) ratings for their coverage of the impact of Katrina. This is considerably more favorable than the public's ratings a year ago for press coverage of the presidential election campaign.
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...and my favorite...

Previous Pew surveys have shown the Fox News audience to be highly supportive of the president. This remains the case today, with Fox viewers reacting far more favorably to the president's handling of the disaster than those who cite other outlets as their major source of news on the hurricane.

In addition, a plurality of Fox News viewers (42%) say that people who took things from businesses and homes in New Orleans were mostly criminals taking advantage of the situation. The balance of opinion among those who rely on other outlets $ CNN, network news, newspapers and the internet $ is that people who stole were mostly ordinary people trying to survive in an emergency.
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There is a PATTERN of idiocy and obliviousness related to viewing Fox News! Fan-fucking-tastic!

Go read the whole report, it's very insightful compared to people such as PAD braying about the "blame game." Is it inappropriate blaming if only 1 out of 3 people disagree with you?
 
"In addition, a plurality of Fox News viewers (42%) say that people who took things from businesses and homes in New Orleans were mostly criminals taking advantage of the situation. The balance of opinion among those who rely on other outlets $ CNN, network news, newspapers and the internet $ is that people who stole were mostly ordinary people trying to survive in an emergency. "

You think that is idiotic? If they aren't criminals, what are they? I can understand, food, water, and clothes, but to go into people's homes and steal computers and TVs? They obviously need those or else they'll die.
 
[quote name='My Name Is BoB']"In addition, a plurality of Fox News viewers (42%) say that people who took things from businesses and homes in New Orleans were mostly criminals taking advantage of the situation. The balance of opinion among those who rely on other outlets $ CNN, network news, newspapers and the internet $ is that people who stole were mostly ordinary people trying to survive in an emergency. "

You think that is idiotic? If they aren't criminals, what are they? I can understand, food, water, and clothes, but to go into people's homes and steal computers and TVs? They obviously need those or else they'll die.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm, so you think the majority of people who took things were taking stuff like computers and TVs?
 
I saw one lady on the news with a shopping cart full of food and water. She said she had to feed her children. After they evacuated the majority of the people, they showed a guy on the street with about eight pairs of jeans. The price tags were still on them.
 
[quote name='My Name Is BoB']"In addition, a plurality of Fox News viewers (42%) say that people who took things from businesses and homes in New Orleans were mostly criminals taking advantage of the situation. The balance of opinion among those who rely on other outlets $ CNN, network news, newspapers and the internet $ is that people who stole were mostly ordinary people trying to survive in an emergency. "

You think that is idiotic? If they aren't criminals, what are they? I can understand, food, water, and clothes, but to go into people's homes and steal computers and TVs? They obviously need those or else they'll die.[/QUOTE]

Find me some data on what percentage of looters are doing this. Until then, you've nothing to offer. I think that it's idiotic in the sense that people are focusing on anomalous behavior, albeit behavior that is occurring with greater frequency than in a non-annihilated neighborhood. I think it's stupid to focus on what a handful of people are doing *period* (that's looting in general), much less what a small proportion of that population is doing (theft, rather than looting), rather than the THOUSANDS of people who are displaced, starving, missing, dead, or still stranded.

It's that kind of mentality that gets people bent out of shape if their fuckin' McDonald's french fry container isn't filled to the top, meanwhile starvation is pretty much a constant in life in other places.

It's stupid because it's anomolous horseshit, the presentation of such news is creating the *false* assumption that crime is worse than it really is (of that much I can assure you), and it ignores to problems that are going on in the south in favor of hyper-sensationalism that keeps you watching the news.

So, you've contributed little, but you do have Zoda's Revenge as an avatar, so rather than simply disregard you, I instead offer a challenge.

Find me *one* picture of a looter with a computer or television.

Shouldn't be too hard, right?
 
[quote name='Tricky']I saw one lady on the news with a shopping cart full of food and water. She said she had to feed her children. After they evacuated the majority of the people, they showed a guy on the street with about eight pairs of jeans. The price tags were still on them.[/QUOTE]

8 pairs are a bit much, but looting clothing is reasonable. It is an essential, and you don't know what they have or the condition of what they have (the clothing may have been drenched by flooding or something). I don't have an issue unless people went in to steal luxuries. If someone walked into walmart to get food, and happened to grab a few cd's or games or something, I really don't care. If someone walked in just to steal cd's and games, then I have an issue.
 
Myke...you don't have to counter the Republicans of this board's post with posts like this. I respect what you have to say and you do say it very intelligently, but the purpose of this post was nothing but a rebuttal to previous posts by people such as PAD and Kastides. There is virtually nothing to gain in terms of intelligent debate and argument. Posting facts like these are better served in a post countering what that contingent has to say about the federal government's preparedness in terms of reacting to the devastation of Hurricane Katrina.

I've made my peace with the so-called "post wars"; I've nothing left to say.
 
[quote name='Mike23']I've made my peace with the so-called "post wars"; I've nothing left to say.[/QUOTE]

I need to learn your technique. I've doctoral exams in two months, so any time not spent studying, eating, or shitting is wasted time.

Though, truth be told, the 3 hours I spent at the bar with coffee and frangelico was not as wasteful as the time spent debating on this board. ;)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Find me some data on what percentage of looters are doing this. Until then, you've nothing to offer. [/QUOTE]

Are you so thick headed that you think there's a crime survey or statistics that have been done on if looters were stealing essentials or unnecessary consumer goods like computers, TV's, designer jeans or jewelry?

The scary thing is I know you're absolutely serious and there's no way the proof can be provided but you can say you've proven your point without being able to back up your claim either.
 
Im really tired atm so i wont read through everything. Lets just say this 67% say Bush could have done more.....i wonder how many of those people who voted on the poll even did shit. Seriously they sit at home and complain, just fucking help out. Im sure all of us could do more but we dont. I realize he is President but hes also human.

Do i think Bush should have done more? yes. Do i think those states should have done more? yes. Its been said many times(and poked fun at on tv) but i dont think its really time for "the blame game". I myself realized the more i got caught up in, the he said she said, i lost sight of the fact that this should have nothing to do with politics. People are dead and people are dying....its to late to change what happend right now, so we really just need to try to fix it AND THEN make sure we come up with a way to prevent it from happening again
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Are you so thick headed that you think there's a crime survey or statistics that have been done on if looters were stealing essentials or unnecessary consumer goods like computers, TV's, designer jeans or jewelry?

The scary thing is I know you're absolutely serious and there's no way the proof can be provided but you can say you've proven your point without being able to back up your claim either.[/QUOTE]

So, would *you* like to be the one who posts a picture of a nola resident carrying off a television or computer?
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']The scary thing is I know you're absolutely serious and there's no way the proof can be provided but you can say you've proven your point without being able to back up your claim either.[/QUOTE]
He must've learned that technique from you.
 
[quote name='Weedy649']Im really tired atm so i wont read through everything. Lets just say this 67% say Bush could have done more.....i wonder how many of those people who voted on the poll even did shit. Seriously they sit at home and complain, just fucking help out. Im sure all of us could do more but we dont. I realize he is President but hes also human.

Do i think Bush should have done more? yes. Do i think those states should have done more? yes. Its been said many times(and poked fun at on tv) but i dont think its really time for "the blame game". I myself realized the more i got caught up in, the he said she said, i lost sight of the fact that this should have nothing to do with politics. People are dead and people are dying....its to late to change what happend right now, so we really just need to try to fix it AND THEN make sure we come up with a way to prevent it from happening again[/QUOTE]

http://www.itaffectsyou.org/blog/?p=752

This has *everything* to do with politics. You can't deny that. I can give money and analyze what I find to be crucial errors, delays of judgment, poor policies and poorer cuts, and outright lies all at the same time.

If you're going to post on a message board that someone is wasting their time posting on a message board, you aren't going to make a very convincing argument. Can you dig it?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']http://www.itaffectsyou.org/blog/?p=752

This has *everything* to do with politics. You can't deny that. I can give money and analyze what I find to be crucial errors, delays of judgment, poor policies and poorer cuts, and outright lies all at the same time.

If you're going to post on a message board that someone is wasting their time posting on a message board, you aren't going to make a very convincing argument. Can you dig it?[/QUOTE]

"Professor Murder" i dont see where i said your wasting your time posting on a message board. I said it isnt right that this should be turned into politics, when there are still people in much need. When 9/11 happend, it was an attack on our country by terrorist, people say Bush got a free ride on politics because of that? Do you think they planned to bomb the world trade center over fucking night? No it was years in the making and Bush happend to be president at the time.

Regardless of my political views, i dont think that its time to point fingers when people are still suffering from the events that occured. Basically my point is, if enough people can put effort into blaming someone, they can put their efforts into helpping more people out. Bush wont get impeached for this, Bush wont be going another term, what will be more important years from now? That you helpped out another human being or that you got to finally blame the ex president on something.

Also dont take this personal. What i mostly mean is from alot of liberal TV shows, like on comedy central and HBO that all blame bush, when they could be doing things more useful given the positions they are in to help the people.

In fact Samuel L Jackson was on one of those shows, and he said he wouldnt donate to red cross because it didnt mean anything to him. He paid for the meals of many people(it was a very large number) at an area he was visiting because so many people affected from the storm had been there. This is what i think more people in higher positions should be saying, instead of trying to rile up the whole country because that wont help where help is needed.
 
[quote name='Weedy649']
Also dont take this personal. What i mostly mean is from alot of liberal TV shows, like on comedy central and HBO that all blame bush, when they could be doing things more useful given the positions they are in to help the people. [/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, but that's a big pile of bullshit.

Just because people are making noise about Bush's mistakes doesn't mean they're taking away ANYTHING from the relief efforts. You make it seem like I can't donate to the Red Cross and post here at the same time, or that by showing the tragedy in New Orleans won't somehow inspire people to donate.
 
Well, Weedy's argument is this: if you're doing *anything* other than helping, you're not helping.

If you're on a message board, you're wasting time that could be spent helping.
If you're eating a tasty sammich, you're wasting time that could be spent helping.
If you're playing a new cheap ass game, you're wasting time that could be spent helping.
If you're sleeping, you're wasting time that could be spent helping.
If you're at church, you're wasting time that could be spent helping.

Don't tell me I'm putting words in your mouth either. You initial argument it this: If you're blaming people in positions of power for failing us miserably, you're wasting time that could be spent helping.

At that point, you are placing a value judgment on my activities, implying that finding gaping problems in the federal government's approach to relief efforts is somehow less valuable than something else. If you want to make that kind of comment, then you're going to similarly eclipse anything that is as "valued" or less "valued" than my pointing out that the government is fucking up. To take that logically, then, anything that anyone is doing is bad (only if Weedy deems it bad) if it doesn't involve helping the relief efforts.

If my identifying key sources of failure in the bush administration is a waste of valuable time, what about the time I spent at the liquor store this morning? The time I spent taking a dump? The time I spent walking my dog? See, in the end, your argument is predicated on nothing more than your personal *judgment and opinion* of what you find to be inappropriate action.

With that in mind, I figure you've pointed that out to me; any time spent blaming me for blaming is time wasted telling everybody else what infinitesimal actions they are doing instead of helping that are similarly wasteful. I recommend you start in the OTT.
 
I hope Karl Rove isn't reading Weedy's posts.

If he is, the new red-state retort to critism of Bush will be "well - what did YOU do?"

Yo Weedy - I have a job and it doesn't say "President of the USA" on my business cards. I do my job well, and I contribute what I can to the relief effort.

For me to do something, it is appreciated. For Bush to do something - that is his damn job, it's expected, and he's performing poorly.

I support the relief effort (what color will the ribbon be this time), but I don't think Bush did his job well. Just like I support the troops but think that Bush made a poor choice when he decided to wage war.
 
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