720p to 1080i

[quote name='drone8888']Wow,... a lot of talking out of the old asses up there.

720p is ALWAYS going to look better than 1080i for games and movies.

The interlaced 1080 is for photos, still shots, webpages, and anything static or not moving.
When you stop your character ingame in 1080i, it will appear to look better, but when you're playing it's obvious that somethings not right.

Unless your set upscales everything into a progressive mode, you will notice the difference.

Progressive scan is a must for games, dvds, and anything else that moves faster than a normal pixel can be refreshed. If you seriously can't see ghosting, smearing, and oddities playing a game like Gears of War in 1080i, then you probably have a good set.

There is no debate,... just a placebo effect spawned from seeing 1080, knowing that it's bigger than 720.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like you're talking up your ass. The majority of people can't tell the difference between 1080i and 720p, I bet you can't. Have someone you know show you 20 different things at 720p or 1080i and I bet you wouldn't be able to guess which one was which 100% or even 66%, and if you can than you either have really good eyes or are an AV aficionado.

Sounds like you're the one suffering from the placebo effect, thinking seeing the "p" in progressive makes it better than anything with an "i".

To say there's no debate is ludicrous. Heck, look at the posts of several people in this thread stating they can't tell the difference.
 
[quote name='xtchuh']This isn't directed to people who can't get either one, or would just like to brag that they can get 1080p. This is to the people who can get either one. Which one do you prefer? I currently use 1080i, but I don't even know if 720p would be any better.[/QUOTE]

1080i is better for movies, 720p is better for games.
 
I have a 1080P set (it says it on the tv and in the owners manual. But when I set it to 1080P the screen goes black then makes me put it on 1080I or 720P. Does my set really not have 1080P or do I need an HDMI cable.
 
[quote name='FrankySox']I have a 1080P set (it says it on the tv and in the owners manual. But when I set it to 1080P the screen goes black then makes me put it on 1080I or 720P. Does my set really not have 1080P or do I need an HDMI cable.[/quote]

your set might not support 1080p through component cable...try VGA if your TV has that...as for 720p vs 1080i ive never really looked to see if there was a diff....all my HD satellite programming is in 1080i and i think it looks great...as for the 360 i have it set to 1080p and have the HD-DVD player with the vga cable so everything i watch is upscaled to 1080p....i would think that you really couldnt tell the difference between 720p or 1080i unless the screen was huge
 
It really all depends on your tv and how well it upscales or down scales a image. I prefer to use 720P due to the fact its my native res. on my tv. Though it can support 1080i it looks bad too me.
 
[quote name='drone8888']Wow,... a lot of talking out of the old asses up there.

720p is ALWAYS going to look better than 1080i for games and movies.

The interlaced 1080 is for photos, still shots, webpages, and anything static or not moving.
When you stop your character ingame in 1080i, it will appear to look better, but when you're playing it's obvious that somethings not right.

Unless your set upscales everything into a progressive mode, you will notice the difference.

Progressive scan is a must for games, dvds, and anything else that moves faster than a normal pixel can be refreshed. If you seriously can't see ghosting, smearing, and oddities playing a game like Gears of War in 1080i, then you probably have a good set.

There is no debate,... just a placebo effect spawned from seeing 1080, knowing that it's bigger than 720.[/quote]LOL do you even have an HDTV let alone a newer 1080p TV? Speaking in general definitions of interlaced and progressive one WOULD ASSUME what you typed but that just is not the case.

[quote name='FrankySox']I have a 1080P set (it says it on the tv and in the owners manual. But when I set it to 1080P the screen goes black then makes me put it on 1080I or 720P. Does my set really not have 1080P or do I need an HDMI cable.[/quote]I have a 1080p TV that only does 1080p over HDMI. While I use to be bummed out about that I've learned that my TV has a line doubler to simulate 1080p when set to 1080i and (at least from what I hear) there isn't much of a difference. That's still not stopping me from getting a 360 with HDMI at some point (especially when the 65nm chips are abundent).
 
I actually have 2 HDTV's... the Grand Wega 60" 1080i, and the Bravia 50" XBR 1080p.

I have a standard progressive scan mid-high end DVD player, a high end Faroudja chipped DVD player, an HD DVD player, and a Blu-Ray player. Not to mention my PC which is played on them.

I'm sorry YOU can't see the difference... perhaps you aren't into games and movies like I am. Watch an anime or play WoW in 1080i... then go to 720p.... if you can't see the difference,... your set is pretty good at compensating. Or, it's not doing much,... either of the 2 would apply.

This is a CAG thread, so if you wanna start posting links, and quotes from the industry,.. go right ahead. I really don't care that much. Just pointing out what the modes are for, and what you are supposed to see.... and what I see, on my calibrated, home theatres :)
 
[quote name='xtchuh']So after saying that, what do YOU think is better?[/QUOTE]
I think it depends on your set. Most of the time 720p will look better for games, but if you have a very good 1080i set that doesn't ghost or tear or a set that upscales to 1080p then a 1080i input will look better.

Oh and I don't currently own an HDTV, but I'm in the market for one so I've been doing a lot of research and observation of sets. That's why I'm up on the various differences. I'm holding out for a killer deal or some eventual price drops on 1080p LCDs.
 
[quote name='drone8888']720p is ALWAYS going to look better than 1080i for games and movies.
[...]
Unless your set upscales everything into a progressive mode, you will notice the difference.
If you seriously can't see ghosting, smearing, and oddities playing a game like Gears of War in 1080i, then you probably have a good set.
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So...what you're saying is that it will "always" look better unless you have a good set? That's an interesting definition of always.
 
Its a moot point... All TVs have a native resolution and no MATTER what you feed it 720p / 1080i / 1080p it will always scale to your TVs native. So if you have a TV thats native is 720p you throw it a 1080i the TV will scale it to 720p always. And on top of all that there is very little difference between them I would bet no one here could point out 1080i v/s 720p. You should always give your TV it's native feed when you can.
 
[quote name='Kfoster1979']Its a moot point... All TVs have a native resolution and no MATTER what you feed it 720p / 1080i / 1080p it will always scale to you TVs native. So if you have a TV thats native is 720p you throw it a 1080i the TV will scale it to 720p always.[/QUOTE]

You win the thread. The only thing I would add is that if your TV is 720p native, it is better to set your 360 to 720p rather than letting the TV scale it. This is because a) many 360 games are 720p-native, so no scaling would be necessary (resulting in the clearest possible picture), and b) if scaling does occur, it's usually better that the 360 do it, as the 360 has a better scaler than most TVs.
 
[quote name='Kfoster1979']Its a moot point... All TVs have a native resolution and no MATTER what you feed it 720p / 1080i / 1080p it will always scale to your TVs native. So if you have a TV thats native is 720p you throw it a 1080i the TV will scale it to 720p always. And on top of all that there is very little difference between them I would bet no one here could point out 1080i v/s 720p. You should always give your TV it's native feed when you can.[/quote]Agreed! This is the bottom line when you're wondering about these issues no matter that the resolution. If you follow this rule you can't go wrong. :applause:
 
My TV is 720p so I set everything to 720p on it. I can't tell much difference, but 720p seems to look a bit more clear to me, which makes sense as the TV has to do less work to scale a 720p signal up to 768p (the actually resolution of most 720p sets) versus scaling a 1080i signal down to 768p.
 
[quote name='gkrykewy']You win the thread. The only thing I would add is that if your TV is 720p native, it is better to set your 360 to 720p rather than letting the TV scale it. This is because a) many 360 games are 720p-native, so no scaling would be necessary (resulting in the clearest possible picture), and b) if scaling does occur, it's usually better that the 360 do it, as the 360 has a better scaler than most TVs.[/QUOTE]

Well, there will still be a little scaling as pretty much all 720p sets are actually 768p so the set has to scale a 720p signal up to 768p. But that's minute and usually produces a better picture than having the set scale a 1080i signal down to 768p.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Well, there will still be a little scaling as pretty much all 720p sets are actually 768p so the set has to scale a 720p signal up to 768p. But that's minute and usually produces a better picture than having the set scale a 1080i signal down to 768p.[/QUOTE]

Well, most LCDs and plasmas. I have a DLP set, which has a native res of 1280x720 (true 720p).
 
[quote name='armyjon99']Sucks for you guys that bought a 1080P for the ps3 and then find out some games do not support 1080P.[/QUOTE]
I don't follow your point. They can still play their games fine in it 1080i or 720p. Are you thinking of those who bought 1080i TVs to find some PS3 games don't support it and so it scales back to 480p?
 
[quote name='elwood731']I don't follow your point. They can still play their games fine in it 1080i or 720p. Are you thinking of those who bought 1080i TVs to find some PS3 games don't support it and so it scales back to 480p?[/QUOTE]

I think he's saying the 1080p was a waste of money over a 720p just for hopes of playing PS3 games in 1080p (naturally, not scaled up).

Still kind of moot in my opinion, assuming they are buying 1080p bluray movies (which is the best use for the PS3 right now).
 
[quote name='the3rdkey']Unless you have a 50" you won't notice anything!!![/quote]

I have heard that too.
 
If you're talking what to set it to, I find that it looks better at whichever is the native resolution of your TV (or closest).

If you have a 720p put it at 720p rather than 1080i. The TV will just scale the 1080i down to 720p (technically 768p on most sets) anyway, and I find they less scaling involved the better the picture.

If you have a 1080i or 1080p set, put it at 1080i so the TV isn't scaling 720p up to 1080.


If you're talking about which to buy in a new TV, as others said, it doesn't matter much unless your sitting very close to a large screen. Even on a 50" screen you have to be closer than 8-10 feet for most people to be able to tell the difference between 1080p and 720p.
 
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