81, 369 PS3's sold, 66,684 games sold at launch (JPN), ~200k PS3's sold at US launch

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http://kotaku.com/gaming/sony/japanese-ps3-sales-data-also-depressing-214864.php
What does this mean? Could this be attributable to the high level of scalping, or is there low availability of PS3 games?


Plus, only 150-200k units for the US, not good. Good for ebayers, perhaps.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/ps3-launch-shipments-now-150k200k-says-analyst-214759.php

Bloomberg is now estimating that Sony won't even ship 200,000 units to the US by the end of the year.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6162190.html

Another analyst believes they only shipped 125k to 175k, and 15k of those were kiosks.
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14540
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']People also could have bought it mainly for a blu ray player. Thats on of the big reasons Im getting one at launch.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure someone would go through the hassle of getting one at launch for just a blu-ray player. A standalone player isn't an order of magnitude more expensive. When availability expands, I could see that happening, it is a couple hundred dollars cheaper right now.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Could this be attributable to the high level of scalping, or is there low availability of PS3 games?
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I bet scalpers are accountable for a lot of those 15,000 or so units that were purchased without any games. It'll be interesting to see if that type of ratio will occur in the U.S.
 
[quote name='captainfrizo']I bet scalpers are accountable for a lot of those 15,000 or so units that were purchased without any games. It'll be interesting to see if that type of ratio will occur in the U.S.[/QUOTE]
Its certainly in stark contrast to the 360 attach rate, which was around 4 games per console at launch, not including accessories. I'm not trying to be very critical, I just think these numbers are a little odd. I'm astonished that they've sold less games than systems.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']I'm not sure someone would go through the hassle of getting one at launch for just a blu-ray player. A standalone player isn't an order of magnitude more expensive. When availability expands, I could see that happening, it is a couple hundred dollars cheaper right now.[/QUOTE]
Standalone players are over twice the price of the PS3.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']Standalone players are over twice the price of the PS3.[/QUOTE]
$700 is twice the cost of the PS3? The Samsung BD-P1000 is available at Amazon for $729 right now. Besides, demand isn't nearly great enough that the PS3 launch supply would be bought up by people solely interested in it for Blu-Ray.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']$700 is twice the cost of the PS3? The Samsung BD-P1000 is available at Amazon for $729 right now. Besides, demand isn't nearly great enough that the PS3 launch supply would be bought up by people solely interested in it for Blu-Ray.[/QUOTE]
The price just dropped. Still, the Panny is $1300 MSRP and all of the new players coming out are either $1000 or more.
 
[quote name='rabbitt']
What?[/QUOTE]

I think he was trying to refer to "Chinese friends" but had difficulty with the spelling. Apparently some Japanese consumers paid poor Chinese people to stand in line and buy the PS3 for them (if I'm getting the details correct). White-Wolf was suggesting that the person with over 100 PS3's was using their services to acquire such a large amount of consoles.
 
[quote name='evanft']Article's headline:

PS3 Launch Shipments Now 150K-200K, Says Analyst[/QUOTE]
And?

Its the analyst's job to do this kind of research. He investigated the retail channel and, based on what he found, estimates that the quantity of PS3s at launch will be between 150k-200k.
"Based on our retail checks, we expect Sony to deliver roughly 150-200k to U.S. stores for launch day, with as many as 750k units sold domestically by year-end,"
Click to expand...
We can examine the November NPD numbers later if you think he's wrong, but he's not talking out of his ass. There is plenty of evidence that even you and me can find, that would support this. Just about every retailer has announced that their allocation has been cut. FYE reportedly had their entire allocation cut to 0.
 
[quote name='captainfrizo']I think he was trying to refer to "Chinese friends" but had difficulty with the spelling. Apparently some Japanese consumers paid poor Chinese people to stand in line and buy the PS3 for them (if I'm getting the details correct). White-Wolf was suggesting that the person with over 100 PS3's was using their services to acquire such a large amount of consoles.[/quote]

Exactly. Sorry my spelling is not up to snuff. It’s frustrating when my vocabulary is off the charts and my spelling is still stuck in the basement. Thank you.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']And?

Its the analyst's job to do this kind of research. He investigated the retail channel and, based on what he found, estimates that the quantity of PS3s at launch will be between 150k-200k.

We can examine the November NPD numbers later if you think he's wrong, but he's not talking out of his ass. There is plenty of evidence that even you and me can find, that would support this. Just about every retailer has announced that their allocation has been cut. FYE reportedly had their entire allocation cut to 0.[/QUOTE]

If it isn't official word, than it isn't worth the bandwith is takes up, period.
 
[quote name='evanft']If it isn't official word, than it isn't worth the bandwith is takes up, period.[/QUOTE]
So if Nixon didn't officially state he was behind Watergate, then the story that exposed him is meaningless?

Bloomberg is now estimating that Sony won't even ship 200,000 units to the US by the end of the year.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6162190.html

Another analyst believes they only shipped 125k to 175k, and 15k of those were kiosks.
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14540

The NPD numbers are about as official as it gets, but those won't be out for at least a couple weeks.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']
The NPD numbers are about as official as it gets, but those won't be out for at least a couple weeks.[/quote]

"To be crystal clear, we don't expect it likely that Sony will update any of its hardware numbers before it reports its December quarter in late January."

looks like we might have to wait for the official numbers
 
[quote name='Vinny']I could've sworn I saw that there were about 290K PS3s sold in the US.:whistle2:k[/QUOTE]

You can check this site for reference, FYI, it's worldwide installed base

http://nexgenwars.com/

By the end of last Fri, PS3 number was hovering around 240000, if you subtract the number of units Japan got (88000), US only received about 150000 units at launch, many store got second shipments already (so it's larger now), but the numbers are VERY small, my local Best Buy got 5 and Walmart got 2 today, ouch!
 
[quote name='vincewy']You can check this site for reference, FYI, it's worldwide installed base

http://nexgenwars.com/

By the end of last Fri, PS3 number was hovering around 240000, if you subtract the number of units Japan got (88000), US only received about 150000 units at launch, many store got second shipments already (so it's larger now), but the numbers are VERY small, my local Best Buy got 5 and Walmart got 2 today, ouch![/QUOTE]
Thats a pretty nifty site, but I'd like to know how they get their numbers.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Thats a pretty nifty site, but I'd like to know how they get their numbers.[/QUOTE]
They pulled them from here :booty:. There is no way they could find out these numbers so quickly.
 
[quote name='vincewy']You can check this site for reference, FYI, it's worldwide installed base

http://nexgenwars.com/

By the end of last Fri, PS3 number was hovering around 240000, if you subtract the number of units Japan got (88000), US only received about 150000 units at launch, many store got second shipments already (so it's larger now), but the numbers are VERY small, my local Best Buy got 5 and Walmart got 2 today, ouch![/QUOTE]

That's a neat site but I don't see how they would have the data. I smell crap.
 
Those launch numbers are pathetic.
On top of that, it seems that ebay prices has gone done dramatically since the initial price (it is still over msrp though). The demand for it just isn't that great. I guess that is to be expected when the launch titles are that weak with Nintendo & Microsoft being so competitive at this time. At this rate, Sony will have to slash the price of the PS3 pretty soon, otherwise the demand for this thing will be even weaker than even now. Last I checked, there is nothing BIG coming out in the next 6 months or so, right?
 
I don't think you can look at the crappy launch numbers. The fact that PS3s cannot be found in stores means there is demand. Until you can find a PS3 everywhere just like the 360 I don't think the numbers mean anything. Also no reason to drop the price until SUPPLY > demand. MS better drop the price after christmas otherwise I feel that Microsoft has no desire to be the market leader.
 
The $700 players don't use HDMI 1.3 yet, so they can't do TrueHD or DTS-HD
[plus the PS3,PS2,PSOne,DVD,CD,SACD support]

I can imagine once the receivers are available, that SACD could be passed over via HDMI..otherwise it is pointless for the PS3 to support SACD
 
[quote name='Indiana']I don't think you can look at the crappy launch numbers. The fact that PS3s cannot be found in stores means there is demand. Until you can find a PS3 everywhere just like the 360 I don't think the numbers mean anything. Also no reason to drop the price until SUPPLY > demand. MS better drop the price after christmas otherwise I feel that Microsoft has no desire to be the market leader.[/quote]

I figured they'd do this. They shipped 10-15 to some stores, sold out and claim that launch was a success because it sold out. Using that logic, I could say that Horsez on DS is in extremely high demand after a store sold their first, last and only copy. Supply is greater than demand leading to price drops on ebay. Why would MS drop the price when they're selling extremely well at $400?

Once the values dropped on ebay, PS3 demand stopped. Flat out stopped. I've seen the PS3 at two stores this week, just sitting there as people walked by to the empty Wii stations. Go to your local retailer tonight and ask, on average, how many PS3 calls he receives and how many Wii calls he receives each day. It's almost a 10:1 ratio. Around here, anyway.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']The price just dropped. Still, the Panny is $1300 MSRP and all of the new players coming out are either $1000 or more.[/QUOTE]


Ok and the PS3 just came out ;)
 
[quote name='Scorch'] Go to your local retailer tonight and ask, on average, how many PS3 calls he receives and how many Wii calls he receives each day. It's almost a 10:1 ratio. Around here, anyway.[/QUOTE]

In 30 min at Eb 15 people came in about the Wii and one grungy burnout about the PS3, he tried to argue that the 20gig system wasnt crippled...lol
 
[quote name='Scorch']I figured they'd do this. They shipped 10-15 to some stores, sold out and claim that launch was a success because it sold out. Using that logic, I could say that Horsez on DS is in extremely high demand after a store sold their first, last and only copy. Supply is greater than demand leading to price drops on ebay. Why would MS drop the price when they're selling extremely well at $400?

Once the values dropped on ebay, PS3 demand stopped. Flat out stopped. I've seen the PS3 at two stores this week, just sitting there as people walked by to the empty Wii stations. Go to your local retailer tonight and ask, on average, how many PS3 calls he receives and how many Wii calls he receives each day. It's almost a 10:1 ratio. Around here, anyway.[/QUOTE]


oh the benefits of knowing simple business strategy via microeconomics, very well said.
 
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