A Chat With Allard...

Ozzkev55

CAGiversary!
I participated in the Chat with Microsoft's J Allard that took place today at 3:00 PM EST, in Microsofts XBOX Chatroom. Me, along with 2037 other people, barraged Allard with both smart questions, and stupid questions(How much wood could a woodchuck chuck). Allard, dictating due to a injury, selectively picked questions, and answered them an hour and a half later...I have the chat here, transcribed, as he answered them...
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Major Nelson (Moderator): We are just about to get started
Major Nelson (Moderator): Welcome to today’s chat. I am happy to have J join us for an hour to take your questions on the Xbox 360. Just to let you know, due to J's injury he does have someone typing for him, but all of the answers are directly from J himself. With that said...welcome J. Also, we already have over 1,000 questions...many of which are similar, so we'll chose the ones that are most representative of the majority of the questions.

J Allard (Expert):
A: we'll get going with the first question now....
J Allard (Expert):
Q: My question: Can Microsoft guarantee that the HDD will be fully uitilised when present or are we going to see long load times with a slow DVD unit as standard from most developers.
A: just like last generation utilization of things like xbox live and the hard drive will be up to the game designers and just like last time we expect game developers to be excited by this. we have been in clear communication for more than a year that some scenarios will include a disconnected hard drive and it has not slowed them down

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Mr. Expert, will the Xbox 360 games use the hard drive for game saves and caching like the original Xbox did?
A: absolutely. we think game designers have all kinds of innovative ideas that the hard drive will be used for. use of the hard drive is not limited to game scenarios. like xbox 1 you will be able to do things like rip and store music and don't forget about live scenarios and all the downloadable content

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Why is the hard drive so highly priced? A 20GB hard drive now a days goes for about 20-30... why $100? I believe this will deter alot of sales..
A: the 20 gb hard drive is a 2.5 inch user servicable drive and is more expense than a pc "crack the box" drive. it's one of the reasons we pushed to create a compelling premium bundle.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Why is the hard drive so highly priced? A 20GB hard drive now a days goes for about 20-30... why $100? I believe this will deter alot of sales..
A: one of the reasons that we designed a user removable hard drive is in direct response to the hard core gaming audience to make it easier to take game saves, game maps, soundtracks, etc. easily to their friends house or lan party. they also wanted the ability to upgrade to larger capacity drives. and if the drive is not present because someone in the house took it on the road, you still want to be able to use the console for movies, music or games.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: will the loss of HDD mean that all games will be made without the HDD in mind, therefore effecting users of the premium pack?
A: absolute not. consider this last generation where somewhere in the neighborhood of 20% of game consoles had hard drives attached. this did not deter game developers from utilizing the hard drive both for exclusive games and cross platform games on xbox. this generation our first party team and our exclusive content developers are just as committed to using the hard drive and like we they demonstrated with this generation our third party cross platform developers are committed as well. games like splinter cell, madden, and tony hawk all demonstrated unique capabilities in hard drive configured systems.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Can we stream videos from our PCs?
A: yes. if you have media center on those pcs. you will be able to stream standard and high definition video.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Why even offer the core package, its seems quite useless
A: great question! the thing to remember that while we designed a no compromises game system, a huge percentage of our customers are not like the folks in this chat room. recognize that more than 75% of the folks on xbox have not played halo. by introducing the core system we are sending a signal to the market that we are committed to this part of the market just like with the xbox 360 premium bundle that we are committed to you.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Why even offer the core package, its seems quite useless
A: the significance of this message can not be understated. many of the publishing and retail partners want our commitment to grow the market. and as you have heard from us in our press conferences and such we are very committed to growing the market.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Can you use your Xbox live gamertag for xbox live gold on the 360?
A: absolutely. we want to make sure you can preserve your identity, friends, and investment in xbox live moving forward with xbox 360 and of course you can keep gaming with your identity on xbox 1.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Why not package the Xbox 360 with only the hard drive and a wireless controller for $349.99, so that you can have one SKU
A: good question and one of the many combinations we looked at. with our research with hard core gamers, retailers, and the broader market, we felt like these two configurations were the right starting point. the great news is that the way we have desgined the system in a modular way we can easily adjust these configurations over time.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: wILL THEE CABLES IN THE 400 PACKAGE WORK WITH MY T.V THAT USES A/V CALBES?
A: the av pack bundled with the premium pack will work with component and composite cables. this means it will pretty much work with all hd and sd sets out there. the other cool thing is that you can take that cable between high def and standard def tvs.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: What is your opinion on HD-DVD?
A: it's going to be interesting to see how and if a high def format for movies plays out. when we designed the the initial xbox many people asked if sacd or dvd audio would be the successor to the cd format for music. as everyone knows the real successor was mp3 and digital distribution with things like napster ipod and msn music. while there is a lot of talk about this in the industry it will be interesting to see what the exact future of this is for movies. of course i think there will be a need for higher capacity optical media for storage applications. we prefer hd-dvd to blu-ray in terms of the flexibility it offers to different applications as well as the infrastructure costs to the market.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Will consumers be able to purchase and download songs or other media directly through the Live Marketplace?
A: not at launch. it is something we would love to get your feedback on. please give us your thoughts.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Will developers utilize the hard drive when one is detected, or will most games be made without using it at all? Will the HD speed up load times?
A: speeding up load times is one of the many things a hard drive can be used for but really it is up to the imagination of the developer. we have been talking with game developers for a while now to make sure that games will load efficiently without a hard drive present. in terms of load times, as a gamer i am super sensitive to how frustrating load times can be which is one of the reasons we put in a dual layer 12x dvd in the system to make sure gamers get great perf with or without a hard drive. one of the challenges with new optical formats when they first come out is the performance of the media which was a consideration when we decided what the optical format for xbox 360 would be.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Can a USB Memory been used by the xbox 360??(I'm asking this because the 360 has USB ports)
A: at present our design for xbox 360 uses the usb ports in a read-only capacity for playing music and viewing photos. if there are other applications that you guys think are interesting then please give us your feedback.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Why doesn't wifi work out of the box?
A: we worked with game designers and talked to hard core gamers and asked them what their top priorities were and the bulk of our investment went into the silicon to the cpu and the gpu so we would have kick **** games. we had a fixed budget and could not do it all. in the end we had a budget and had to offer wifi as an option but we did decide to add "a" as a standard in addition to b and g. we are also compatible with existing devices already on the makret.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: will the core system come with a memory card? if not, how can u save games?
A: no it does not come with a memory unit. gamers will need an mu or a hard drive to save games with which is consistent with the games industry for the last decade.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: will the core system come with a memory card? if not, how can u save games?
A: i think it is really important to emphasize especially for the folks in this chat room that we did not design the core system around you guys. similar to the shuffle, the boxter, the 4:3 tv, the 1mpix camera, we designed the core system as a way to get folks to come into the family at a cheaper prices and decide if an how they scale the system. the great thing about our approach unlike these examples is that the core owner can upgrade the system and match the capabilities of the premium system when the time is right for them.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Will a completely black 360 be available?
A: not currently in plan for launch but as you know we will have removable faceplates and i expect down the line we will get feedback that people want other colors and we will provide it

J Allard (Expert): This in from e-mail: Got a question about the $399 price point for Xbox 360. Feels steep.
J Allard (Expert): i think that the capabilities we are offering with xbox 360 are unmatched in the history of videogaming. it's a great value. and the system that most of the folks in this chat room are going to prefer. i saw a posting earlier today where someone looked up the historical prices and capabilities of games systems. it was worth noting that the ps2 launched at $368 (in japan) with no hard drive, no online service, no mu, no wireless, no voice, no network adapter, no remote, and only support for 2 controllers. that's not reason we priced the system this way but it does provide a comparitive frame of referencfe for what you are getting. when you consider you are getting the most powerful games system, best cd player, digital media player, movie player, etc. it's a great value.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Why do they have the core package? Why doesn't microsoft just release the package with the Harddrive so developers will be able to fully utilize it?
A: independent of the configurations we have at launch it was imparative that we work with developers now to abstract the storage system because (1) the drive is removable and we want people to play even if the drive is not present (2) another possibility is that 5 years from now that you want more storage on the box or on the network and be able to take advantage of that. by abstracting storage in the system we are making sure that all xbox 360 games will work on all configurations moving forward and early customers will be able to take advantage of future scenarios like bigger drives and network storage.

J Allard (Expert): Another one from mail: What about backward compatibility in the core system?
J Allard (Expert): because we didn't abstract storage in the first generation xbox back compat will require a hard drive. the good news is that the core system owners can upgrade if they deside to update at a later date.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: When can we expect an official release date to be announced?
A: this is our last question we are able to take for the chat and then i have one thing i want you guys to know after. answer in short is: stay tuned. just like all of you talking about the system around the clock we are working around the clock to finish the system and the games. we will have more announcments soon.

J Allard (Expert): i just want to thank the community for the enthusiam and passion for xbox since the beginning. conversations like this are super valuable and we would love to do this again.

in summary we tried to optimize launch around three critical audiences

[1] - the game developer - by offering them a no compromises platform with great hardware, tools and the leading online service with live.
[2]- the hard core gamer - by putting together a configuration with everything you would want at a compelling price.
[3] the entry level gamer - that wanted to get into next generation gaming and was excited by the media capabilities and wanted an entry level option

i know the multiple configuration strategy has introduced some confusion and concern with the hard core gamers in particular. hopefully this has helped explain some of the thinking that went into it. if you - like me - want gaming to get bigger and want to see more creative games out there we need to grow the market.
J Allard (Expert): like the consumer electronics industry or the automotive industry having a family of products (we believe) will be good for the market.

at the end of the day, you guys make xbox a success and we designed xbox for you and dialogs like this are what have gone into the xbox program to date and will continue to give life to xbox for years to come.

let's keep the dialog going. thanks for your time.

i should also mention that we know a lot of folks could not make it into the chat and will be interested in this dialog so know that we will be posting all of this onto majornelson.com and sorry for the lag (it's been hard for us too).

j
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Yes some questions were answered, but in all its nothing that new...and a whole lot of allard kissing his own ass
 
[quote name='Ozzkev55']
Yes some questions were answered, but in all its nothing that new...and a whole lot of allard kissing his own ass[/QUOTE]


But he does that so WELL...
 
This chat actually made me hate Microsoft a little more. The guy comes off like an ass IMO. Avoiding giving real answers instead he resorted to "Well, our studies show that gamers don't want HDD or wi-fi, they want choice," and other spin tactics, but it's all backfiring because it's so obvious. Seriously, like three months ago I was a huge MS fan, and never understood or liked seeing all the stupid shit like "M$," or "Bill Gates is evil," but everything about the Xbox 360 is making me believe it.
 
J Allard (Expert):
Q: Why is the hard drive so highly priced? A 20GB hard drive now a days goes for about 20-30... why $100? I believe this will deter alot of sales..
A: one of the reasons that we designed a user removable hard drive is in direct response to the hard core gaming audience to make it easier to take game saves, game maps, soundtracks, etc. easily to their friends house or lan party. they also wanted the ability to upgrade to larger capacity drives. and if the drive is not present because someone in the house took it on the road, you still want to be able to use the console for movies, music or games.


Notice how he totally ignored the question.
 
I'm not seeing what people are complaining about in regards to the price of the HD. Yes, internal 20GB HD's cost under $100, but this is an external HD, 20GB external HD's costs quite a bit.
 
They think offering a lower price point will entice "entry-level" gamers but it will also confuse Joe Wal-Mart since he'll be wondering what he's not getting that's included in the more expensive unit. Multiple price points on new technology/merchandise/services has never worked out well in the past and I highly doubt it will now. Microsoft seems to be taking their launch lead and shooting themselves in the foot by doing this. Hey, if I'm wrong, great, but I doubt it.
 
He Answers(Partially) the question about the Black 360, but failed to even address the issue of BC, for the most part, and the majority of the questions there were in regards to it...
 
[quote name='Scorch']I'm not seeing what people are complaining about in regards to the price of the HD. Yes, internal 20GB HD's cost under $100, but this is an external HD, 20GB external HD's costs quite a bit.[/QUOTE]

I guess in the fact that nobody wants to make an external 20GB HD, that would make it more expensive. But you could get an external drive with more than double that capacity for less. Even the PS2's HDD is less expensive with double the capacity.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']J Allard (Expert):
Q: Why is the hard drive so highly priced? A 20GB hard drive now a days goes for about 20-30... why $100? I believe this will deter alot of sales..
A: one of the reasons that we designed a user removable hard drive is in direct response to the hard core gaming audience to make it easier to take game saves, game maps, soundtracks, etc. easily to their friends house or lan party. they also wanted the ability to upgrade to larger capacity drives. and if the drive is not present because someone in the house took it on the road, you still want to be able to use the console for movies, music or games.


Notice how he totally ignored the question.[/QUOTE]But didn't he answer it on this one?

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Why is the hard drive so highly priced? A 20GB hard drive now a days goes for about 20-30... why $100? I believe this will deter alot of sales..
A: the 20 gb hard drive is a 2.5 inch user servicable drive and is more expense than a pc "crack the box" drive. it's one of the reasons we pushed to create a compelling premium bundle.

[quote name='Ozzkev55']He Answers(Partially) the question about the Black 360, but failed to even address the issue of BC, for the most part, and the majority of the questions there were in regards to it...[/QUOTE]J Allard (Expert): Another one from mail: What about backward compatibility in the core system?
J Allard (Expert): because we didn't abstract storage in the first generation xbox back compat will require a hard drive. the good news is that the core system owners can upgrade if they deside to update at a later date.

I only saw the questions in the OP, but that seems to say everything he can about backwards compatibility. What should he have answered?
 
[quote name='sj41']I only saw the questions in the OP, but that seems to say everything he can about backwards compatibility. What should he have answered?[/QUOTE]
A few for example...(And I'm using exact quotes of questions asked)
1)How many games will be BC upon Launch
2)Will XBOX Games played over LIVE on the 360, be able to play against those who play the same game on the original XBOX
3)Will the 360 be able to link to the original, in order to play XBOX games through LAN play

These questions were commonly repeated, and though the one regarding the HD(As crucial as it was) was answered, it still left some very important questions opened. These questions were also very critical in mine, as well as the other room members, final decisions to whether or not they were going to buy the system upon launch...
 
1)How many games will be BC upon Launch
He can't answer that yet, MS probably doesn't even know. Its really going down to the wire. They're being vague because they really don't know too much themselves, they don't want to overpromise and get bad PR, or sell it short and get bad PR, and not get credit for it being better than they thought later.

2)Will XBOX Games played over LIVE on the 360, be able to play against those who play the same game on the original XBOX
Reportedly, yes.

3)Will the 360 be able to link to the original, in order to play XBOX games through LAN play
Don't know. Possibly since doing it through Live is probable, but I doubt it a little.
 
There are a few things about the Xbox 360 that I wish MS would simplify for some consumers to understand. A number of people seem upset at the idea of paying $100 dollars for a hard drive. What quite a few people don't get is that this new drive is a 2.5" ipod-like drive, not some big assed off the shelf Western Digital drive. Not to mention external and removable. Don't forget that in addition to this hard drive consumers are getting an HDTV compatible component cable, wireless controller, and a wireless remote. Sounds like a hell of a deal for an extra $100 bucks if you ask me.

The other major thing that I wish MS would push a bit more are the Xbox 360's multimedia capabilities. To me, the ability to stream hi-def or standard video from a media center equipped PC to the Xbox 360 alone justifies the extra $100 bucks.

Whether I agree with the two SKU approach or not, I'm glad MS is at least giving consumers a bit more information on why they made the decision. Thanks for posting this OP.
 
Yeah, I don't really get how this could irritate people more about the 360. Sure, I'm right up there with people that don't like the hard drive to be optional. At some point down the road it is going to limit what some of the games are going to do, but I get what Microsoft is trying to do.

They want that $300 price to be cheaper than Sony. At that majornelson.com or whatever when the chat was announced someone posted a nice summary of what they think Microsoft is trying to do in the comments and I think I agree. I don't think Microsoft wanted to include the hard drive at all, but realized the complaints they would have so they limited its functionality. Your average person isn't going to realize that the hard drive can be more than a glorified memory card. In the guys comments he talked about how Microsoft might try to phase the $400 one out as time goes on because more and more developers won't be supporting the hard drive. I hope that isn't the case, but who knows.

So, of course I don't like them removing the hard drive from the game development equation, but if developers give us quality it won't really matter and honestly they can still support if they want to give a better product. Maybe make it more like a PC and you can enable enhanced visuals if you have a hard drive.
 
I actually had my question answered in that chat. Mine was the one about using the HD A/V cable on your SD television. J Allard is officially off of my hitlist!
 
[quote name='jughead']I actually had my question answered in that chat. Mine was the one about using the HD A/V cable on your SD television. J Allard is officially off of my hitlist![/QUOTE]
I hope you're not the one who typed this assault on the English language.

Q: wILL THEE CABLES IN THE 400 PACKAGE WORK WITH MY T.V THAT USES A/V CALBES?
 
[quote name='radjago']I hope you're not the one who typed this assault on the English language.

Q: wILL THEE CABLES IN THE 400 PACKAGE WORK WITH MY T.V THAT USES A/V CALBES?[/QUOTE]
What irony that I was commenting on that in the chat, here I am thinking that was allard's mistake
 
[quote name='chat']that's not reason we priced the system this way but it does provide a comparitive frame of referencfe for what you are getting. when you consider you are getting the most powerful games system, best cd player, digital media player, movie player, etc. it's a great value.
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I'm really getting tired of this way of thinking. Sony and Microsoft keep acting as if they aren't selling a video game console. I'm getting the best CD player??? Movie player? At the rate I'm going I'll have 200 devices that play CDs, DVDs, MP3s so on and so forth. I just can't understand how they still use this as a selling point.
 
[quote name='jkam']I'm really getting tired of this way of thinking. Sony and Microsoft keep acting as if they aren't selling a video game console. I'm getting the best CD player??? Movie player? At the rate I'm going I'll have 200 devices that play CDs, DVDs, MP3s so on and so forth. I just can't understand how they still use this as a selling point.[/QUOTE]
:applause:
 
[quote name='jkam']I'm really getting tired of this way of thinking. Sony and Microsoft keep acting as if they aren't selling a video game console. I'm getting the best CD player??? Movie player? At the rate I'm going I'll have 200 devices that play CDs, DVDs, MP3s so on and so forth. I just can't understand how they still use this as a selling point.[/QUOTE]
I like having one device that can do everything because it'll save space. I don't want to have separate DVD, CD, media players, and game consoles on my shelf.

Don't underrate the media center capabilty, its a big deal.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']I like having one device that can do everything because it'll save space. I don't want to have separate DVD, CD, media players, and game consoles on my shelf.

Don't underrate the media center capabilty, its a big deal.[/QUOTE]
But if you already had a DVD, CD, and a Media Player...why would you want to pay more than you should, to get an all-in-one, when all you really want to do is play games
 
[quote name='Ozzkev55']But if you already had a DVD, CD, and a Media Player...why would you want to pay more than you should, to get an all-in-one, when all you really want to do is play games[/QUOTE]
Because it doesn't cost any more to have it play DVD's, CD's, and work as a media player? Because it wouldn't be any cheaper if it couldn't? Because I could use the ones I already have in another room? Because I really want to save space?

You seem to be under the impression that playing CD's, DVD's, and functioning as a media player makes the machine cost more. It doesn't. It wouldn't be any cheaper if it couldn't.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']I like having one device that can do everything because it'll save space. I don't want to have separate DVD, CD, media players, and game consoles on my shelf.

Don't underrate the media center capabilty, its a big deal.[/QUOTE]


[quote name='dafoomie']Because it doesn't cost any more to have it play DVD's, CD's, and work as a media player? Because it wouldn't be any cheaper if it couldn't? Because I could use the ones I already have in another room? Because I really want to save space?

You seem to be under the impression that playing CD's, DVD's, and functioning as a media player makes the machine cost more. It doesn't. It wouldn't be any cheaper if it couldn't.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you that it is nice to have everything all in one spot. I'm liking the Revolution simply because I can put a lot of consoles in storage and still be able to play the games I want to. Less hassle is great. So is a small package.

However your 2nd statement proved my point to the tee.....If it doesn't cost anything to add to the machine why do they keep telling me about all of these great features when we talk about the price of the console? Look your getting this and your getting that. Well for one I already know what I'm getting. I know you payed nothing to add the functionality to the console so stop with the BS.
 
[quote name='jkam']However your 2nd statement proved my point to the tee.....If it doesn't cost anything to add to the machine why do they keep telling me about all of these great features when we talk about the price of the console? Look your getting this and your getting that. Well for one I already know what I'm getting. I know you payed nothing to add the functionality to the console so stop with the BS.[/QUOTE]
Because a lot of consumers won't know unless you tell them. One of PS2's big selling points was that it played DVD's. At the time it was a big deal, not so much now. But you don't want people thinking yours doesn't and the competition does.

Also, they more than just compete with each other, they're trying to convince you to buy one at all. One of their sales pitches is value. You're not just getting a game box, you're getting a DVD player, a CD player, a media player, a paperweight (Revolution), a mysterious, scary, ever watching evil eye (360), a combination inkjet printer and George Foreman Grill (PS3), and it slices, it dices, it makes julien fries. Buying these things separately costs X dollars, and its all yours for 400 easy payments of a buck.

The DVD/CD playing isn't signifigant anymore, not having it would be signifigant. But a big deal here is the media player, it'll be more useful than most people think. If you've ever used XBMC, you know how useful a media player can be that can stream from your computer in HD. Unless they restrict which formats you can watch.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Because a lot of consumers won't know unless you tell them. One of PS2's big selling points was that it played DVD's. At the time it was a big deal, not so much now. But you don't want people thinking yours doesn't and the competition does.

Also, they more than just compete with each other, they're trying to convince you to buy one at all. One of their sales pitches is value. You're not just getting a game box, you're getting a DVD player, a CD player, a media player, a paperweight (Revolution), a mysterious, scary, ever watching evil eye (360), a combination inkjet printer and George Foreman Grill (PS3), and it slices, it dices, it makes julien fries. Buying these things separately costs X dollars, and its all yours for 400 easy payments of a buck.

The DVD/CD playing isn't signifigant anymore, not having it would be signifigant. But a big deal here is the media player, it'll be more useful than most people think. If you've ever used XBMC, you know how useful a media player can be that can stream from your computer in HD. Unless they restrict which formats you can watch.[/QUOTE]


what sucks is that you will need a media center pc . I kno it would be cool just to try it out to see how it works.You will never know if it useful or not if you dont try it yourself. who really buys media center pcs anyway im curious.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Because a lot of consumers won't know unless you tell them. One of PS2's big selling points was that it played DVD's. At the time it was a big deal, not so much now. But you don't want people thinking yours doesn't and the competition does.

Also, they more than just compete with each other, they're trying to convince you to buy one at all. One of their sales pitches is value. You're not just getting a game box, you're getting a DVD player, a CD player, a media player, a paperweight (Revolution), a mysterious, scary, ever watching evil eye (360), a combination inkjet printer and George Foreman Grill (PS3), and it slices, it dices, it makes julien fries. Buying these things separately costs X dollars, and its all yours for 400 easy payments of a buck.

The DVD/CD playing isn't signifigant anymore, not having it would be signifigant. But a big deal here is the media player, it'll be more useful than most people think. If you've ever used XBMC, you know how useful a media player can be that can stream from your computer in HD. Unless they restrict which formats you can watch.[/QUOTE]

Well now you are saying the average consumer doesn't know unless you tell them....ok let's say your right. If the average consumer doesn't know enough to understand there getting a DVD player and a CD player what makes you think they will understand the usefulness of a media player that can stream from your computer in HD? Also why would a person want to spend more money upgrading to a media center PC (I'm assuming not to many people have these as of yet) just to stream to their XBOX 360?

Honestly I am all for an all in one device and I can definitely see the usefulness of it. I also like the idea of having everything in one small package. The thing is all of these so called bonuses come with strings. Buy a keyboard, buy a remote, buy this and buy that. So you buy all of this stuff and then they only offer up limited capability on most of it. If your going to do it do it 100% or not at all. If you want to cross PCs, with TVs, and Video Game consoles then go all the way.

It's sort of like camera phones. I don't see the point. Yeah it's funny to take random pictures but I would never use it in place of my digital camera on purpose. Now my phone has all of this extra software on it to play games, and download video and THE DAMN BATTERY DIES IN 6 MONTHS. Just give me a damn cell phone that works, with a longer battery life and without the extra crap I don't need.

I think everyone forgets what these are first and foremost....video game consoles.
 
Well that about settles it, I'm definetly out of the beginning of the next round consoles. I'm tired of getting burned on high prices and then eventual price drops. I'll be getting a 360 when they launch Halo and probably drop the bundle price to sell even more.
 
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