Achievement Whore Problems

The biggest plus to acheivements is when they're used in a unique way to get you to discover a new challenge in a game you already enjoy. Pacifism in Geometry Wars, Chicken in Frogger, COD2 on Veteran, Melee only game in Condemned... Those types of acheivements take good games and give you a challenge and a reason to try them again when you may otherwise not care.

And as far as my earlier statements about deciding which game to play next, I've finished off most of the AAA titles for my GC and Xbox. What I'm left with is a few unplayed shooters (mostly). I have recently spent a good amount of time on RE4, which I hadn't played before, and Hulk UD on Xbox. I won't refuse to play good games over mediocre titles, but the acheivements do add a little extra incentive.

People struggling through terrible games just for points are retarted. Not only are you wasting your time, but you're rewarding devs for making crap when you pay and play anyway...
 
I think APs should be as balanced as possible - like there should be 100 or so points that you get for basically trying out the game and then 800 points you unlock playing through to the end with increasing difficulty and the last 100 points should be for the hardcore players who find everything or score a certain amount or something like that...
 
I don't have an Xbox 360, so correct me if I'm wrong, but can't people use cheat codes to unlock and obtain the achievement points? If so, this seems a bit frustrating to purists/completists such as myself. That said, I still think I'd be addicted to AP if I had a 360...
 
[quote name='Wlogan31']I don't have an Xbox 360, so correct me if I'm wrong, but can't people use cheat codes to unlock and obtain the achievement points? If so, this seems a bit frustrating to purists/completists such as myself. That said, I still think I'd be addicted to AP if I had a 360...[/quote]

Not that I know of ...
 
I might play something through again to get everything (ie, playing through CoD on Vet difficulty), but it's not enough to get me to buy games I wouldn't normally buy anyway.

...I suppose in that regard, it's actually hurting Microsoft. I spend more times on games I own, so I don't feel compelled to go out and buy additional ones.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']It does when someone is comparing Prey and Chromehounds to Smash Bros and Paper Mario.[/quote]

The point is, Paper Mario and Smash Brothers offer a play experience that the Xbox 360 doesn't offer. Earlier posters in the thread were suggesting that they WEREN'T playing other games on other consoles for the sole reason that those consoles didn't offer achievements.

I'd imagine that poster used those game in particular as dramatic overstatement, and point out the foolishness of some of those earlier statements. To play Chromehounds or Prey over Smash Brother or Paper Mario for the sole reason that they offer achievements is just silly. The same could be said for Katamari Damacy and Shadow of the Collosus on the PS2.

NOONE is talking about the overall relative quality of the offerings on ANY of the systems. The point was, it's silly to neglect games that could objectively and obviously be seen as "better" because they don't offer achivements.
(Which some people, earlier in the thread, were suggesting).
 
[quote name='JSweeney']The point was, it's silly to neglect games that could objectively and obviously be seen as "better" because they don't offer achivements.
(Which some people, earlier in the thread, were suggesting).[/QUOTE]

It's true though, as silly as it is, I'll gravitate towards playing a game that I can get these nerd points for rather than playing something on another system. It's stupid, but it's true.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']I might play something through again to get everything (ie, playing through CoD on Vet difficulty), but it's not enough to get me to buy games I wouldn't normally buy anyway.

...I suppose in that regard, it's actually hurting Microsoft. I spend more times on games I own, so I don't feel compelled to go out and buy additional ones.[/quote]

You might, but believe me there are plenty of people out there that achievement points have the opposite effect on. There are people out there that own almost every game for the 360, even the shitty ones. Not only that, but they have two 360s, one for NA or EU (whichever is their region) and one for Japanese games. And obviously you can't rent Japanese games so they buy them. Those are the people that IMO make everybody go "wow, settle down buddy".
 
[quote name='Stuka']You might, but believe me there are plenty of people out there that achievement points have the opposite effect on. There are people out there that own almost every game for the 360, even the shitty ones. Not only that, but they have two 360s, one for NA or EU (whichever is their region) and one for Japanese games. And obviously you can't rent Japanese games so they buy them. Those are the people that IMO make everybody go "wow, settle down buddy".[/quote]

Is this you, are you talking about yourself? I'm blinded by your 30,000+ achievement points.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']Is this you, are you talking about yourself? I'm blinded by your 30,000+ achievement points.[/QUOTE]


Are you blinded by my gamerscore? :)

BTW, I am in the top 30 on mygamercard.net

Achievements are great.. i hope they incorporate them into the PS3... I also don't rent games to get achievements. I actually own every single game to date. I still have 10 unopened games.
 
I think its funny how after you play a demo it shows it as a played game and lists the achievments for the retail game. I guess they want to make you feel as if your missing an opportunity to get those points. Between that and rentals I have a bunch of games with with zero or only a couple achievments in my profile. :D
 
[quote name='TC']I think its funny how after you play a demo it shows it as a played game and lists the achievments for the retail game. I guess they want to make you feel as if your missing an opportunity to get those points. Between that and rentals I have a bunch of games with with zero or only a couple achievments in my profile. :D[/QUOTE]

I wish you could delete those
 
[quote name='deathadder']Are you blinded by my gamerscore? :)

BTW, I am in the top 30 on mygamercard.net

Achievements are great.. i hope they incorporate them into the PS3... I also don't rent games to get achievements. I actually own every single game to date. I still have 10 unopened games.[/QUOTE]

I hope you aren't paying full retail for all those games. Even so, I'm guessing most of those unopened games will stay that way until they could have been picked up for much cheaper. I'll be the first to admit that I have a lot of games sitting around unplayed, but buying every 360 game while they are still expensive just seems like a poor purchasing decision.
 
[quote name='nickmad']Yeah smart guy, I dont have that in my sig to show off. I liked the Blanka art and it so happens that I found it incorporated into the gamer card sig.
I play games to have fun, not to score meaningless points.
Blow me.[/quote]

very touchy on that subject huh?

I would think most people play games to have fun, and if you haven't noticed my gamerscore isn't thru the roof. The achievements boosting one's ego, doesn't have to mean to go and brag to there friends about it. Lets say for example you score a million points in geometry wars, or beat cod 2 on veteran. It is nice to get points, and see the points you have unlocked.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']Is this you, are you talking about yourself? I'm blinded by your 30,000+ achievement points.[/quote]
Nope. I rent games mostly and don't own a Japanese system. I don't see the point in it. But initially I did rent games that otherwise I wouldn't have for points, namely NBA 2006. Like I said, I've mellowed since April and now only really play games I have an interest in.

One reason I really like achievement points (at least initially) was as a barometer for bullshit. Anyone can say "Oh yeah, I totally beat Ninja Gaiden Black on the highest difficulty" but with achievements there is a record of what you have or haven't done. That is untill the shit with the game saves started. Now you don't know who go what legit anymore.
 
[quote name='Stuka']That is untill the shit with the game saves started. Now you don't know who go what legit anymore.[/QUOTE]

Is there actual proof that people have gotten achievements with downloaded game saves? I'm pretty sure Microsoft had blocked this from happening, but I haven't followed the mod scene too closely.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']Is there actual proof that people have gotten achievements with downloaded game saves? I'm pretty sure Microsoft had blocked this from happening, but I haven't followed the mod scene too closely.[/QUOTE]

People can transfer the save for the Transfer Kit and I think most saves leave them right before the end of the game. I know PREY had a save point I think. Who knows....I could be wrong, but I feel some scores are inflated.
 
[quote name='doubledown']People can transfer the save for the Transfer Kit and I think most saves leave them right before the end of the game. I know PREY had a save point I think. Who knows....I could be wrong, but I feel some scores are inflated.[/QUOTE]

I thought they were implemented differently from the save file though where they were somehow tied to your GamerTag as well. I could be wrong, but I thought that there were concerns about something like this happening and Microsoft had stated that downloaded saves would not affect Achievement Points.

It just seems to me that this would have been a big news story if you could actually do this.

Can you even open up a save file that is not tied to your Gamertag? I know I don't see my wife's Oblivion saves and vice versa. (Edit: It looks like you can unlock the saves from your console and Gamertag somehow with the Transfer Kit.)
 
[quote name='shipwreck']It's true though, as silly as it is, I'll gravitate towards playing a game that I can get these nerd points for rather than playing something on another system. It's stupid, but it's true.[/quote]

Is that if all things are equal, and the games offer a similar experience, or will you play through a game with say, and average rating at gamerankings of 4.5 as opposed to playing a game with an average rating at gamerankings of 9.5 on a different platform (PS2, Gamecube, Xbox, etc.) just to earn those extra points?
 
[quote name='JSweeney']Is that if all things are equal, and the games offer a similar experience, or will you play through a game with say, and average rating at gamerankings of 4.5 as opposed to playing a game with an average rating at gamerankings of 9.5 on a different platform (PS2, Gamecube, Xbox, etc.) just to earn those extra points?[/QUOTE]

The 4.5 rating is a little extreme as there hasn't even been a 360 game in that range yet, but I've played through several 7ish rated 360 games (Amped 3, Full Auto, Gun to name a few) while stuff like Resident Evil 4, Shadow Of Colossus, Metroid Prime, Wind Waker, KOTOR etc. sit there on my shelf.
 
Me and a friend of mine keep up with each other through competion. We battle it out and see who gets done with the game first sometimes and brag about our points to one another. We also borrow each other games that the other does not own.

We both work and have about the same amount of time to game so our scores are almost about identical. I am currently in the lead by about 400 points but that is because he went on vacation with his wife. He was up about 200 before he went on vacation.

Also to me so far the worst game I purchased was Over G fighters but I got that doing the trade in deal at gamecrazy and got rid of my old Madden and Tiger Woods for it basically because there was nothing new to buy and I had to use the credit towards the purchase of a 360 game.
 
I love the AP's. It gives you some sort of gratification even before you beat the game. Also, if you are playing on LIVE, you can gauge the competition based on what they have accomplished on an individual game. If you see that some has unlocked every achievement on all of the racing games and you are struggling, you can ask for tips or know that you need to avoid that person. If you see that you play all the same games, you may want to add that person to your friends list. Don't look at them only for their face value. They have real world uses besides ego boosting.
 
wow i just read all this lol. I saw someone ask if there is a way to tell who is legit... in most cases there is.

For example Compare death adder 187's rumble roses achievements to mine (jcnet)

We both have 1000 points BUT you can tell he gamesaved his because he has the face achievement followed by the heel achievement for each wrestler. the way the game is setup you have to choose a different wrestler to get the title shot.

So for example he has rowdy reiko achievement first that means that the next character he uses for the title shot would have to be someone other than reiko hinomoto since she would be wrestling herself to take the belt from herself.

On my gamercard you see I have to use a different actual wrestler for each achievement and then later have to go back and earn the heel or face version of the achievement. It's not that hard just time consuming.

I've noticed a lot of people proud of their top spots on the board do account swapping and gamesaves. Quick to gloat of their rank but very hush hush about how they obtained those points.

Other examples on death adders card: he got almost all the pdz achievements in PDZ in a day. he must be a god at that game because he beat the game so fast he managed to get thedark agent achievement for beating the game on dark before he even got the achievement for beating 1 dark agent level.. AMAZING!

i dont mind that he used gamesaves.. but I do mind that he acts like he was in the top 30 or something when his score was fradulent.

I will give him props though it looks like he did MOST of ridge racer legit... that game took me forever and a day to get 1000 in. its easy to get around 800 in it but after that it takes forever.
 
[quote name='xmagxus']wow i just read all this lol. I saw someone ask if there is a way to tell who is legit... in most cases there is.

For example Compare death adder 187's rumble roses achievements to mine (jcnet)

We both have 1000 points BUT you can tell he gamesaved his because he has the face achievement followed by the heel achievement for each wrestler. the way the game is setup you have to choose a different wrestler to get the title shot.

So for example he has rowdy reiko achievement first that means that the next character he uses for the title shot would have to be someone other than reiko hinomoto since she would be wrestling herself to take the belt from herself.

On my gamercard you see I have to use a different actual wrestler for each achievement and then later have to go back and earn the heel or face version of the achievement. It's not that hard just time consuming.

I've noticed a lot of people proud of their top spots on the board do account swapping and gamesaves. Quick to gloat of their rank but very hush hush about how they obtained those points.

Other examples on death adders card: he got almost all the pdz achievements in PDZ in a day. he must be a god at that game because he beat the game so fast he managed to get thedark agent achievement for beating the game on dark before he even got the achievement for beating 1 dark agent level.. AMAZING!

i dont mind that he used gamesaves.. but I do mind that he acts like he was in the top 30 or something when his score was fradulent.

I will give him props though it looks like he did MOST of ridge racer legit... that game took me forever and a day to get 1000 in. its easy to get around 800 in it but after that it takes forever.[/QUOTE]
Hahaaha, what a fag model (him, not you). I
 
[quote name='xmagxus']wow i just read all this lol. I saw someone ask if there is a way to tell who is legit... in most cases there is.

For example Compare death adder 187's rumble roses achievements to mine (jcnet)

We both have 1000 points BUT you can tell he gamesaved his because he has the face achievement followed by the heel achievement for each wrestler. the way the game is setup you have to choose a different wrestler to get the title shot.

So for example he has rowdy reiko achievement first that means that the next character he uses for the title shot would have to be someone other than reiko hinomoto since she would be wrestling herself to take the belt from herself.

On my gamercard you see I have to use a different actual wrestler for each achievement and then later have to go back and earn the heel or face version of the achievement. It's not that hard just time consuming.

I've noticed a lot of people proud of their top spots on the board do account swapping and gamesaves. Quick to gloat of their rank but very hush hush about how they obtained those points.

Other examples on death adders card: he got almost all the pdz achievements in PDZ in a day. he must be a god at that game because he beat the game so fast he managed to get thedark agent achievement for beating the game on dark before he even got the achievement for beating 1 dark agent level.. AMAZING!

i dont mind that he used gamesaves.. but I do mind that he acts like he was in the top 30 or something when his score was fradulent.

I will give him props though it looks like he did MOST of ridge racer legit... that game took me forever and a day to get 1000 in. its easy to get around 800 in it but after that it takes forever.[/QUOTE]

Wow, that's really lame to brag about your gamerscore when you are just using gamesaves to inflate your score. I see Death Adder has about 62000 achievement points now. I guess if he's having fun with it, it's not a big deal, but I really don't see the point.
 
[quote name='xmagxus']wow i just read all this lol. I saw someone ask if there is a way to tell who is legit... in most cases there is.

For example Compare death adder 187's rumble roses achievements to mine (jcnet)

We both have 1000 points BUT you can tell he gamesaved his because he has the face achievement followed by the heel achievement for each wrestler. the way the game is setup you have to choose a different wrestler to get the title shot.

So for example he has rowdy reiko achievement first that means that the next character he uses for the title shot would have to be someone other than reiko hinomoto since she would be wrestling herself to take the belt from herself.

On my gamercard you see I have to use a different actual wrestler for each achievement and then later have to go back and earn the heel or face version of the achievement. It's not that hard just time consuming.

I've noticed a lot of people proud of their top spots on the board do account swapping and gamesaves. Quick to gloat of their rank but very hush hush about how they obtained those points.

Other examples on death adders card: he got almost all the pdz achievements in PDZ in a day. he must be a god at that game because he beat the game so fast he managed to get thedark agent achievement for beating the game on dark before he even got the achievement for beating 1 dark agent level.. AMAZING!

i dont mind that he used gamesaves.. but I do mind that he acts like he was in the top 30 or something when his score was fradulent.

I will give him props though it looks like he did MOST of ridge racer legit... that game took me forever and a day to get 1000 in. its easy to get around 800 in it but after that it takes forever.[/quote]

This is a great post. I love achievement points and I do try to unlock them in the games I play - but I'm content with my 2,500 or so.
 
I like the Achievement points but I won't play a game I don't like just to get them, or in the case of Lego Star Wars 2, repeat levels ad nauseum just to get points.

I don't think the totals are really any indication of skill though, but it's good proof that you've beaten GOW on Insane or Completed FEAR using 500 rounds etc
 
i hate all these stupid achievements like in COD2 there is a 50 point one just for beating a 1 minute training camp. I wish there only like 4 or 6 achievements for each game, and they actually proved something. Also, i don't think sports, and other type games should have achievements
 
[quote name='elsnow77']i hate all these stupid achievements like in COD2 there is a 50 point one just for beating a 1 minute training camp. I wish there only like 4 or 6 achievements for each game, and they actually proved something. Also, i don't think sports, and other type games should have achievements[/quote]

I don't think any of the games you like should have achievement points.
See how short-sighted that sounds?
Sure, you may be "hardcore" and look down on it, but there are plenty of people out there that are more than content to only play sports games.
Why cut them out of the "fun"?
 
[quote name='elsnow77']i hate all these stupid achievements like in COD2 there is a 50 point one just for beating a 1 minute training camp. I wish there only like 4 or 6 achievements for each game, and they actually proved something. Also, i don't think sports, and other type games should have achievements[/quote]

Are you discriminating against sport games because you think their achievements are easy ?

If so, try completing all the International challanges on World Cup 2006 which is worth 500, then tell me sport games have easy achievements.
 
Sports games ahve definitely gotten better with the values and distribution of their achievement points.
 
I think it ads a fun level of replay value.. but some achievements are either too hard, or waaaay too much of a hassle/time consuming. All of the achievements in Rumble Roses are a good example of "hassle/time consuming"
 
[quote name='shipwreck']Wow, that's really lame to brag about your gamerscore when you are just using gamesaves to inflate your score. I see Death Adder has about 62000 achievement points now. I guess if he's having fun with it, it's not a big deal, but I really don't see the point.[/quote]

I looked for the thread and the auction but couldn't find it. But someone posted an ebay auction of someone selling their Live account that had over 80,000 gamerpoints for over $3,000 or something like that.
 
[quote name='The_Jacket']I am a huge Achievement whore. I played GUN 4 times to get all of the achievements, Condemed 2x. So I think I am perty dedicated to getting all of the achievements on games, but then I ran in to the Pile of Crap i call Dead or Alive 4. To me this game is unplayable. Everything seems so fast except the my character. I hate that freaking game. And the only other problem I am having is games like Quake 4 and PDZ, where they want you to play online for hundreds of hours to get them all. Are there any other achievement whores having these Problems?[/quote]


"Everything seems so fast except my THE character"
perhap less time spent on games and more spent on grammer?
 
[quote name='PatFortenbaugh']"Everything seems so fast except my THE character"
perhap less time spent on games and more spent on grammer?[/QUOTE]

Maybe you should take some grammar (and spelling) classes yourself or find another joke that doesn't make you look as inapt as the person you're trying to make fun of.
 
Achievements to me are usually just a good way to increase the replay value of a game; it's something else to work towards, that's all. I think they're pretty neat, but it's hard to believe some people actually get games they wouldn't normally play just for the sake of having more points.
 
i hate it when games have online achievements. Like the GRAW one where you have to be ranked number 1 or something like that. Those game programers must have been on fucking cranack. I also didn't like all the one's in saint's row that where just like how long c you play this game straight withought going crazy. Like the one that says get 1 million dollars (I only got up to like 750,000 before i quit the game due to gears of war), or find all cd's/tags and the one that says get 100 multiplayer clothing items
 
THe only reason I care about achievment points is from a completionist (lol, is that even a word?) standpoint. When I pop in a game and see that I am missing x/1000 points or whatever, it just bugs me because to me, its not %100ing a game. But I really shouldn't be one to talk. Thanks to CAG, I've been buying games left and right when they are at good prices, and I haven't
1000/1000'd a game since CoD2 >_
 
I have yet to get 1000 points on a single game. It is kind of bugging me, may go back to fight night just to get that last one I need.
 
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