Adrianne Ledesma's 911 Call and Sgt Robert Mcfarlan's Virgin Ears

Not to condone what the guy did, but she isn't in the right either. Politeness is important, and I hope her lawsuit goes nowhere.
 
She was perfectly in the right. Freedom of speech. 99% of the worlds response to 911 not answering would be "what the fuck?"

I hope she wins her lawsuit and that cop ends up homeless. Except it will be the towns tax money that pays for it ultimately. Sadly not the cop personally.
 
[quote name='Quillion']Not to condone what the guy did, but she isn't in the right either. Politeness is important, and I hope her lawsuit goes nowhere.[/quote]

What if she had been calling in to report a terrorist holding a bomb under his jacket and the delay had cost many lives? Would the families of the dead have a case?
 
[quote name='Quillion']Not to condone what the guy did, but she isn't in the right either. Politeness is important, and I hope her lawsuit goes nowhere.[/QUOTE]
really disagree.. she said what the fuck before it was even answered, he decided to powertrip on her for no reason, his job is to deal with people in stressful situations that are likely to panic, he shouldn't expect callers to keep calm and should at least be reassigned

if he can't deal with stressed out callers he should NOT be working 911 phone lines, no way

if my dad, just out of brain surgery, was shaking unconscious on the floor and 911 refused to send an ambulance (he flat-out told her no) and instead chose to lecture me on profanity you could bet your ass i'd be swearing too.. i bet 99% of us would
 
[quote name='camoor']What if she had been calling in to report a terrorist holding a bomb under his jacket and the delay had cost many lives? Would the families of the dead have a case?[/quote]
How about if she had said "My Dad is collapsed on the floor and is having a seizure; I need an ambulance!" Instead of "Are we gonna have a fuckin' problem", "Do you wanna lose your job?" and "I just wanna know what your name is 'cause you're gettin' sued!" Rather than attempt to defuse the anger and get help for her father, she threw gasoline on the flames.

Hey, he was in the wrong, he had no right to correct her language - particularly in a life-threatening environment.

But she damn sure wasn't in the right.
 
Your 100% right Quillion, in fact, he should have corrected her grammar while he was at it. There is NO EXCUSE for bad grammar, even when someone's life is on the line.


kidding
 
[quote name='Quillion']How about if she had said "My Dad is collapsed on the floor and is having a seizure; I need an ambulance!" Instead of "Are we gonna have a fuckin' problem", "Do you wanna lose your job?" and "I just wanna know what your name is 'cause you're gettin' sued!" Rather than attempt to defuse the anger and get help for her father, she threw gasoline on the flames.

Hey, he was in the wrong, he had no right to correct her language - particularly in a life-threatening environment.

But she damn sure wasn't in the right.[/quote]

I was just trying to see how many lives had to be in mortal danger before the lethality of the situation trumped the need to refrain from offending the delicate sensibilities of Sgt Robert McFarlan. You have a pretty whacky arguement there - the officer was in the wrong but you hope there is no legal recourse for his employers (that's the taxpayer in case you didn't get it). You have a point - I'm sure the two weeks without pay and a stern talking to will show police officers everywhere that when you put citizens lives in danger and make false arrests there are consequences; serious consequences that can put a tiny dent in your finances and cause the chief to wag his finger at you.

Listen again, she was saying the f-word to a dial tone. Then she asks for an f-ing ambulance in a paniced voice. When she calls back she asks without profanity and the officer calls her an ass. Not that the cop would have a case even if she talked like Dice Clay with Tourettes. You're so brainwashed you're hearing what you want to hear - listen to the evidence man, use your ears and that thing between your ears before you hit the keyboard.
 
The officer had been commended and received no disciplinary actions by the LPPD prior to this incident.

We can assume that means he's done a good job, right? When one is not formally sanctioned by their peers and superiors?

;)
 
[quote name='camoor']I was just trying to see how many lives had to be in mortal danger before the lethality of the situation trumped the need to refrain from offending the delicate sensibilities of Sgt Robert McFarlan. You have a pretty whacky arguement there - the officer was in the wrong but you hope there is no legal recourse for his employers (that's the taxpayer in case you didn't get it). You have a point - I'm sure the two weeks without pay and a stern talking to will show police officers everywhere that when you put citizens lives in danger and make false arrests there are consequences; serious consequences that can put a tiny dent in your finances and cause the chief to wag his finger at you.

Listen again, she was saying the f-word to a dial tone. Then she asks for an f-ing ambulance in a paniced voice. When she calls back she asks without profanity and the officer calls her an ass. Not that the cop would have a case even if she talked like Dice Clay with Tourettes. You're so brainwashed you're hearing what you want to hear - listen to the evidence man, use your ears and that thing between your ears before you hit the keyboard.[/quote]

I listened to it a couple times. He hung up on a potentially life threatening call. It doesn't erase 20 years of service - deserving firing, but I agree that it requires something more severe than two weeks without pay.

The lawsuit is frivolous. There's no need for a suit against the department, because only one officer is in the wrong. The chief is addressing it, if you don't like the response, take it up with him. Taking public money needed to protect people when most jurisdictions are already in a budget crunch is unconscionable.

Which brings me to the main point. She was more interested in getting her insults into the officer than saving her Father's life. He should never have hung up on her, but his bad behavior doesn't excuse hers.
 
I'll have to listen to this again when I get home.

I usually give my customers a few free uses of profanity before I tell them they are going to stop.

Here's a better way:

"Send a fucking ambulance to blah blah blah."

"Not a problem. What can I tell the EMTs is wrong?"

"I don't fucking know."

"OK. I am sending an ambulance there, but I need more details."

...
 
Yeah, no amount of profanity makes it okay to deny medical service.

You should have heard my wife giving birth. If that cop was the doctor my daughter would still be in her stomach.
 
[quote name='Quillion']I listened to it a couple times. He hung up on a potentially life threatening call. It doesn't erase 20 years of service - deserving firing, but I agree that it requires something more severe than two weeks without pay.

The lawsuit is frivolous. There's no need for a suit against the department, because only one officer is in the wrong. The chief is addressing it, if you don't like the response, take it up with him. Taking public money needed to protect people when most jurisdictions are already in a budget crunch is unconscionable.

Which brings me to the main point. She was more interested in getting her insults into the officer than saving her Father's life. He should never have hung up on her, but his bad behavior doesn't excuse hers.[/quote]

I'll just have to disagree. Personally I would not call delaying emergency medical treatment to my father a frivolous matter. Ditto for arresting civilians on fictitious charges.

The young lady obviously did 'take it up with the chief' and we've seen the results. I'm not satisfied, she's not satisfied, even you admit you're not satisfied. No reasonable person would be. Sometimes the only way to get a proper response from our bureaucratic government officials is to use civil court. As the old saying goes "money talks and bulls--t walks".
 
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