Am I screwed? 720p question

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I picked up this HDTV\Monitor:

http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum=57#VALUE

I got my 360 yesterday thanks to the gamestop deal. Now I put it in 480p...looks good. The text is clear and I can see everything on the screen. I put it in 720p which looks better but I noticed on the sides it is getting cut off slightly. In the Burnout Legends demo I can't see the T in takedowns for example. Not exactly a prime gameplay hindrance but annoying. I put it in 1080i which looks good but the text is not as sharp. I can however see everything on the screen. I guess my question is there anyway to fix the 720p to fit the screen or if the TV\Monitor doesn't do it natively I'm screwed to either 480p or 1080i? Thanks in advance.
 
I'm confused... why would 1080i look less sharp then 720p?

Does your monitor not have controls to let you move the picture around to fix the issues you're having in 720p?
 
I see it's native 1440x900

You could do what I did and get a VGA cord/set it to 1366x768.

My monitor (Samsung 19" Widescreen SyncMaster 920bw) then takes that and stretches it to fit the screen.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']I see it's native 1440x900

You could do what I did and get a VGA cord/set it to 1366x768.

My monitor (Samsung 19" Widescreen SyncMaster 920bw) then takes that and stretches it to fit the screen.[/QUOTE]


Hmmm....I guess that is an option...I do have my PC going into the VGA though and I was hoping that since I had a component input I wouldn't have to deal with getting a VGA switch. I guess worse comes to worse I could game in 480p and live with it...but it seems like a waste when the TV is capable of more. Ugh.
 
Does the TV have any settings for what you're displaying? I had this same issue when I hooked up everything with my new TV and I had to mess with the Aspect settings to get things to fill the screen and look good. There might be a "full screen" or "1:1" or "Aspect" setting that you can use to improve your image quality.
 
I think its just overscan. I have a 30" Samsung Slimfit and I get overscan at 720p as well as 1080i. I don't think that there's a way to fix it without going into the service menu and messing with the settings.
 
[quote name='nasum']Does the TV have any settings for what you're displaying? I had this same issue when I hooked up everything with my new TV and I had to mess with the Aspect settings to get things to fill the screen and look good. There might be a "full screen" or "1:1" or "Aspect" setting that you can use to improve your image quality.[/QUOTE]


I did browse through the TV's menu and there was a setting for Full but I'm not sure I could change it. I have to play with it a bit more but it wasn't looking too good.

[quote name='LinkinPrime']I think its just overscan. I have a 30" Samsung Slimfit and I get overscan at 720p as well as 1080i. I don't think that there's a way to fix it without going into the service menu and messing with the settings.[/QUOTE]

Honestly it isn't even that bad...I mean most games would definitely be playable I think.... but its just that you spend the money on a TV and a 360 it would be nice if it was just right. I'll try futzing with it some more tonight.
 
[quote name='jkam']Honestly it isn't even that bad...I mean most games would definitely be playable I think.... but its just that you spend the money on a TV and a 360 it would be nice if it was just right. I'll try futzing with it some more tonight.[/quote]
I feel your pain man. I've had mine for a while and just gotten used to it. Every time I played Need for Speed: Most Wanted, the spedometer and the timer were cut off. Maybe you could call the manufacurer for assistance, if they are within warranty they usually send a TV repair man to your place and they manually adjust it. I would do that but they way i have it setup in my tiny room, there's no way a TV Repair man could go in and make the necessary adjustments without me having to take the TV out to the living room and that shit is heavy.
 
It's because the monitor is 16:10. I have the 22" Westinghouse and if you set it to 1366x768 with the VGA cables, it fits the screen perfectly.
 
[quote name='Trakan']It's because the monitor is 16:10. I have the 22" Westinghouse and if you set it to 1366x768 with the VGA cables, it fits the screen perfectly.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I think I may have to go that route...the thing that sucks is I went with this model because it had component.
 
[quote name='pop311']Wait, so what is better? 1080i or 720p?[/QUOTE]

I think it is a fairly big debate but I would say it probably differs from set to set, user to user, and the actual source material the person is using. Personally for me right now I found that the text within the XBOX 360 dashboard was jaggy when I went 1080i but clear and sharp when I went to 720p. Hence my issue. The difference is 1080i is interlaced where as 720p is a progressive scan. From what I have read the progressive scan is better for fast moving images.
 
[quote name='pop311']Wait, so what is better? 1080i or 720p?[/QUOTE]

All 360 games are suppose to be made natively for 720p.

1080i is really just 540 lines displayed every other field 30 times a second.

You decide.

Generally though, it really depends on your display. Some TV's scale 720p to 1080i regardless, and so it will look better at 1080i.
 
Yeah, for the 360, 720p is almost always going to be better (especially on 720p sets) as that's what almost all games render at (aside from a few that render at slightly lower).

1080i the 360 is rendering at 720p, then taking that and scalling it up to 1080i, then the TV is taking that and scalling it back down to 720p (while also interlacing and then deinterlacing the original image) so you can see why it wouldn't be as good.

Rest of the problems are just caused by the TV. My Sony KDL 32v2010 has no visible overscan and looks scary good with the 360.
 
Get the VGA cable. It is the only way you are going to fix your problem as your TV has a computer monitor resolution ratio and it does NOT seem to scale 16:9 component signals properly. Unless you have found an option in the menu to do so, then my point is moot.

Using the VGA cable your monitor will either scale the image properly (letterbox) or stretch the image slightly, but you will avoid the cropping issue.

Another option is a new monitor or TV. There are certainly better options out there to suit your needs.

As wolfpup said, sending your LCD an interlaced signal is bad form and the reason for the image problems. 1080i is for CRT HDTVs not LCDs. The 360 fully supports 1080i output for every game, you just do not have the right TV for it.
 
There is no 1366x768 setting with the VGA cable, which ironically is what I need, so I just had to screw with my TV settings to get the image to fit my TV screen
 
[quote name='anomynous']There is no 1366x768 setting with the VGA cable, which ironically is what I need, so I just had to screw with my TV settings to get the image to fit my TV screen[/QUOTE]

I believe it is 1360, but yea there is. I have the same monitor as Trakan and that is the setting I have it at currently.
 
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