Amazing Spider-Man (July 3rd) - Out Now! May contain Spoilers (use spoiler tags)

[quote name='ITDEFX']I wonder if there is going to be a mention of MJ or is this movie series going to avoid MJ til the end?[/QUOTE]

Why does everyone assume Gwen Stacey has to die this movie?
 
[quote name='DestroVega']Why does everyone assume Gwen Stacey has to die this movie?[/QUOTE]

Not sure. I give it till film 2+ before she dies. I really don't see her dying in the first filn when they are building up characters. Maybe people are hating on her and just want MJ?
 
[quote name='Rock_Dash3X']Not sure. I give it till film 2+ before she dies. I really don't see her dying in the first filn when they are building up characters. Maybe people are hating on her and just want MJ?[/QUOTE]

Because people prefer red heads over blondes any day lol...
 
I can't wait for this movie. I think I'm looking forward to this more than The Dark Knight Rises. The franchise definitely needed a reboot after Spider-Man 3 and since there are 50+ years of Spider-Man stories to draw on I don't think there can be a "too soon". I mean, The Spectacular Spider-Man was about 13 hours of new material and I still wanted more. There's just so much you can do with the character and as long as the quality is there then I don't think it matters.
 
I think one of the bigger problems with Spider-Man films is that honestly, Spidey's villains kinda suck, or at the very least are hard to bring to live action. The idea of the Vulture being in a live action film, yikes. The Rhino? He isn't even a decent villain. Scorpion? Wouldn't do well in live action I think. Shocker? Maybe, still a pretty lame villain though.

Venom and/or Carnage are really the coolest Spider-Man villains, but they already screwed the pooch there.
 
[quote name='Clak']I think one of the bigger problems with Spider-Man films is that honestly, Spidey's villains kinda suck, or at the very least are hard to bring to live action. The idea of the Vulture being in a live action film, yikes. The Rhino? He isn't even a decent villain. Scorpion? Wouldn't do well in live action I think. Shocker? Maybe, still a pretty lame villain though.

Venom and/or Carnage are really the coolest Spider-Man villains, but they already screwed the pooch there.[/QUOTE]
I don't think they have any problem screwing that pooch again. :D
 
I dunno, GG and Doc Ock had somewhat of a connection with Peter in the films, but more of GG because Norman and Harry. Doc Ock was a guy that Peter admired. Sandman was just a guy who was in the wrong place at the wrong time deal. Yeah oops I shot your uncle, but that wasn't enough.

But if I had to pick, I say Norman/GG because of Harry and his friendship with Peter.
 
Spidey's villians are awesome I don't know what you guys are talking about. Vulture would be tough to do live action but the others could be done I think. Kraven would be awesome if done properly. So would Chameleon, Hydro-Man, Electro, Mysterio and even doing the Kingpin/Tombstone thing would be awesome. It all comes down to the story.
 
[quote name='Javery']Spidey's villians are awesome I don't know what you guys are talking about. Vulture would be tough to do live action but the others could be done I think. Kraven would be awesome if done properly. So would Chameleon, Hydro-Man, Electro, Mysterio and even doing the Kingpin/Tombstone thing would be awesome. It all comes down to the story.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, Spidey's villains are awesome. I think people are just focusing on his thug type villains over his masterminds.

Let me elaborate. I've always looked at comic villains as being one of two types. Thugs and Masterminds. Thugs are your guys like Electro, Rhino, Vulture... Guys that generally don't have huge plans beyond rob a bank and get rich. Masterminds are villains like Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Kingpin.. The villains with long term plans to get power and revenge.

I always thought that a cool plan for using Spidey's villains would be to have a small 10-15 minute sequence at the beginning of each film showing Spidey thwarting a thug villain like Electro or Rhino, then moving on to the main event with Doc Ock, Mysterio, or another mastermind. Then, after the first few movies, assuming they didn't do the stupid Hollywood thing of killing off the villains, you'd have introduced enough villains to bring together the Sinister Six, which would be amazing!
 
[quote name='Javery']Spidey's villians are awesome I don't know what you guys are talking about. Vulture would be tough to do live action but the others could be done I think. Kraven would be awesome if done properly. So would Chameleon, Hydro-Man, Electro, Mysterio and even doing the Kingpin/Tombstone thing would be awesome. It all comes down to the story.[/QUOTE]
Kraven is too cartoony for live action, Chameleon is a dude who is good at disguises, watch out there! Hydro-Man, again wouldn't work in live action I think, but then I didn't think Sandman worked too well either. Electro, if they tried they'd have to change his costume big time, I'd call him a maybe. Mysterio, again too cartoonish. You saw how well Kingpin worked in Daredevil.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']wait... is the King Pin more of a Spiderman villain or a Daredevil villain?[/QUOTE]
Daredevil since he was used by Fox.

I really want Marvel to get the Fantastic Four back simply so they could use Dr. Doom and Silver Surfer.

Imagine Silver Surfer vs Thanos, and you also have the Guardians of the Galaxy.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']wait... is the King Pin more of a Spiderman villain or a Daredevil villain?[/QUOTE]
Eh, He's been used in both books. He's a New York villain, so that includes a good number of books.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']wait... is the King Pin more of a Spiderman villain or a Daredevil villain?[/QUOTE]

I've always associated Kingpin with Daredevil but he originated in Spidey.
He was also the final boss in the Spider-Man Genesis video game.

Love the posters idea of thug villains being in a movie 10 mins with a bigger villain after that. Spidey 3 and other movies show you villains can't be jammed into a whole story.
 
[quote name='Clak']Kraven is too cartoony for live action, Chameleon is a dude who is good at disguises, watch out there! Hydro-Man, again wouldn't work in live action I think, but then I didn't think Sandman worked too well either. Electro, if they tried they'd have to change his costume big time, I'd call him a maybe. Mysterio, again too cartoonish. You saw how well Kingpin worked in Daredevil.[/QUOTE]

I don't think there's anything wrong with comic book movies being a little cartoony. Little things can be changed to make them fit a little better, but it can always work. Look at Captain America's costume. It's cartoony, but it works just fine.

I tend to like my comic book movies with a bit of cartoon in them. That's why I don't care much for Nolan's Batman trilogy. By trying to make Batman's universe too realistic, he ended up making several of Batman's cooler villains unusable. I'm so glad he's done after Rises... I want a good Mr. Freeze movie, dammit!
 
[quote name='BlueWingX']I don't think there's anything wrong with comic book movies being a little cartoony. Little things can be changed to make them fit a little better, but it can always work. Look at Captain America's costume. It's cartoony, but it works just fine.

I tend to like my comic book movies with a bit of cartoon in them. That's why I don't care much for Nolan's Batman trilogy. By trying to make Batman's universe too realistic, he ended up making several of Batman's cooler villains unusable. I'm so glad he's done after Rises... I want a good Mr. Freeze movie, dammit![/QUOTE]
When I say "cartoonish" I don't mean just the costumes.
 
[quote name='Clak']Kraven is too cartoony for live action, Chameleon is a dude who is good at disguises, watch out there! Hydro-Man, again wouldn't work in live action I think, but then I didn't think Sandman worked too well either. Electro, if they tried they'd have to change his costume big time, I'd call him a maybe. Mysterio, again too cartoonish. You saw how well Kingpin worked in Daredevil.[/QUOTE]

They would all work if you changed their costumes I think. Kraven doesn't need to wear a giant lion head. They could just make him a bad-ass hunter dude with a lion tattoo or something. Maybe Jameson hires him to take down Spider-Man or something. Chameleon would be awesome because you could have some Kesyer Soze type dude that Spidey would have to find when no one is even sure he exists or not but crime is happening all over the place. I agree that Daredevil screwed up Kingpin (who I've always associated with Spider-Man) so they would have to do something different but I like the idea of a super tough crime boss in NYC. I don't know - I think if the story is there they could do whatever they wanted. I mean, Doc Ock is a ridiculous villain but Spider-Man 2 was great.
 
No way they kill a starlette of Emma Stone's stature until the 3rd movie or so, unless she wants out after #2. I bet they kill Captain Stacy in the 2nd movie and Gwen in the 3rd.
 
They don't want, and I don't think, that anything but an action movie is going to work. That's the problem with guys like Chameleon, it would turn it into a detective movie basically, and Spidey is no Batman. Kraven I just don't' think would work because he's too plain, what special effects are they gonna show off there? He'd be about as menacing as Bullseye was in Daredevil (and Spidey isn't blind). Doc Ock may be ridiculous, but they ere able to both show off some good CGI and not make him too over the top. Mysterio's illusions for example I think would just be too over the top, they'd either tone it down and make him a joke or it'd be over the top crazy.
 
Btw, did anyone see Leary on the Daily Show where he said people sometimes mistook him for Dafoe? Thought that was kinda funny.
 
[quote name='Clak']Btw, did anyone see Leary on the Daily Show where he said people sometimes mistook him for Dafoe? Thought that was kinda funny.[/QUOTE]
I see it. Leery should've been Norman Osborne.
 
I feel like with this one they're trying to make it feel more, not sure how to put it, realistically New York?
 
Yeah I don't know how anyone thought that was a good idea. "Lets take the dorky kid from That 70s Show and make him the most badass villain Spider-Man has."

Brilliant.
 
I had no problem with him.

The only people complaining were people who couldn't get over him being in That 70's Show. If he was never in that show there would have been no complaining.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']^ you're in the minority there bro.[/QUOTE]
guess im in the minority also nolan films are too realistic they cannot even use superman cameo if they wanted because it just doesn't work so im happy nolan is bye bye after his last movie

ps go bane :twisted: pls break batman in half :twisted:
 
Just watched the 25 minute super trailer that I posted earlier. Not sure what I think about it. I do think it is better than the others but not sure by how much.
 
[quote name='whoknows']I had no problem with him.

The only people complaining were people who couldn't get over him being in That 70's Show. If he was never in that show there would have been no complaining.[/QUOTE]
Eddie Brock, even as a normal guy, is supposed to be pretty intimidating. Assuming both were powerless, he could easily beat the shit out of Peter. Topher Grace and Tobey MaGuire fighting would be more funny than anything else. Neither of the guys are physically intimidating, and Eddie is supposed to be.
 
That's probably why they didn't have those two fighting outside of their suits.

Topher Grace doesn't fit the generic tough guy model, but at least he's a competent actor which is good enough for me. He definitely wasn't the best choice, but he wasn't bad.
 
He barely had to act, he didn't have much screen time. They could have gotten someone who looked the part and could act decently enough. Instead they basically got a guy who could have just as easily played Peter.
 
If he didn't have much screen time I don't see why the actor is such a big deal? If they got someone who fit better then that actor would have gotten the same screen time and people would be complaining about (mostly) the same things.

Maybe they should have swapped around the Sandman and Eddie actors :p
 
[quote name='whoknows']Maybe they should have swapped around the Sandman and Eddie actors :p[/QUOTE]

They should have just cut one of them from the movie. Both are interesting enough characters to easily make an entire movie.
 
Venom should have probably have been cut, maybe end with Spider-Man getting rid of the symbiote, but I think Sandman fit well with everything else going on with Harry.
 
I blame Raimi for the Venom debacle. He was opposed to him from the beginning of taking on the franchise, and you can't just dismiss such a fan favorite. Maybe had he been open to him being a main villain in a movie, the studio wouldn't have rammed Venom down his throat.
 
I did not know he was opposed to Venom being in the movie. Venom was the only reason I went to see 3. I had my hopes up when he came on screen then he was gone. I thought maybe he comes back and is going to be in 4 and then nothing.
 
Yes, I like this idea...

[quote name='BlueWingX']Agreed, Spidey's villains are awesome. I think people are just focusing on his thug type villains over his masterminds.

Let me elaborate. I've always looked at comic villains as being one of two types. Thugs and Masterminds. Thugs are your guys like Electro, Rhino, Vulture... Guys that generally don't have huge plans beyond rob a bank and get rich. Masterminds are villains like Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Kingpin.. The villains with long term plans to get power and revenge.

I always thought that a cool plan for using Spidey's villains would be to have a small 10-15 minute sequence at the beginning of each film showing Spidey thwarting a thug villain like Electro or Rhino, then moving on to the main event with Doc Ock, Mysterio, or another mastermind. Then, after the first few movies, assuming they didn't do the stupid Hollywood thing of killing off the villains, you'd have introduced enough villains to bring together the Sinister Six, which would be amazing![/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='joeboosauce']Yes, I like this idea...[/QUOTE]

If you haven't already, you should watch the Spectacular Spider-Man. They have a bunch of standalone episodes with all of the villains and then there is a Sinister Six episode near the end of the season where they all team up. It's awesome.
 
I'll admit the movie is looking like it has potential. I'm interested in actually seeing it now, to see whether or not I was right about my initial idea of it being mediocre.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']With all the shit load of money Marvel has, can't they go independent? or is it more complex than it looks?[/QUOTE]
In 2009, The Walt Disney Company acquired Marvel Entertainment, Inc. for $4 billion
and
Columbia Pictures (Sony Pictures) is in control of two properties, all things Spider-Man and Ghost Rider
 
[quote name='kodave']Sony should reboot Spider-Man and make Nicolas Cage Spider-Man.[/QUOTE]

And still do the crossover with Nicholas Cage also as Ghost Rider.

I'd watch that. Twice.
 
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