[Amazon] Rock Revolution $16.99 + FS

:lol:

Some sales numbers for this game ...

*Note: I never checked how they get their numbers or what the error % is so take it for what it's worth, but numerous sources state this game is selling like shit.

Soon, this will drop to $10 or under. Amazon has no price protection, so all prospective buyers beware.
 
It's actually not that bad of a game, people put it down way too much. It has alot of good covers, and also alot of TERRIBLE covers.

The gameplay has a few cool idea's for things as-well, and over-all, besides the fact the the fret board will most likely make you dizzy after a few songs, it's really not all that bad. I'd say the most I'd spend on it, would be this.

I didn't attempt doing drums though, so I don't know how much of a cluster those are (I imagine very).

I may order this if I get any money from anyone for Christmas (because otherwise, I'm broke until I get paid).
 
[quote name='LegendK7ll3r']It's actually not that bad of a game, people put it down way too much. It has alot of good covers, and also alot of TERRIBLE covers.

The gameplay has a few cool idea's for things as-well, and over-all, besides the fact the the fret board will most likely make you dizzy after a few songs, it's really not all that bad. I'd say the most I'd spend on it, would be this.

I didn't attempt doing drums though, so I don't know how much of a cluster though are (I imagine very).

I may order this if I get any money from anyone for Christmas (because otherwise, I'm broke until I get paid).[/QUOTE]

Yes, the drums appear to a be total clusterfuck. Konami should have solely relied on the other sets out there.
 
I'll buy this when it gets down to $10 or less. We all know the game is no guitar hero or rock band, but I don't think I could pass it up for $10.
 
[quote name='jbroush99']Also includes 10 free song downloads![/QUOTE]

Shitting on Konami Originals is asking for death.
 
Imagine the horror on little Jimmy's face when he opens up the large box that he thinks is the Rock Band 2 complete set he asked for turns out to be Rock Revolution. To quote an old Kiss song.....tears are falling!
 
Do you need to buy their drums or does it work with Rockband drums? I looked at the songlist and it looks ok for under $10 (I know it will drop to that soon enough)
 
[quote name='guyver2077']not a bad price...tempting just for chop suey and last resort[/quote]

RB2 has Chop Suey as well, the original recording; and not that.. erm "cover", if you can even call that a cover.
 
:roll:

Like I said in another thread about this game, the actual covers themselves (from a musical standpoint) are not bad at all, they're actually pretty spot on. It's just that the vocals are sometimes bad. While Chop Suey is an extreme example of a "bad cover", most of the covers in the game range from decent to almost master-track quality. For example:

YOUTH GONE WILD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHfrLprUV-Q

DR. FEELGOOD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64KgWRghipM

NO ONE LIKE YOU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niw2B3jfkfA

MAGIC MAN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njnhyaLv840

PAIN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td4qUufGkMA

There are some questionable vocals in some of the songs, but the overall game is fine. I really fail to see why everyone hates on it so damn much. It's definitely not as good as GH:WT or RB2, but it's not a worthless pile of crap either. :roll:
 
[quote name='BMXJouster']There are some questionable vocals in some of the songs, but the overall game is fine. I really fail to see why everyone hates on it so damn much. It's definitely not as good as GH:WT or RB2, but it's not a worthless pile of crap either. :roll:[/QUOTE]

From what I've seen and read, people don't like it for a plethora of reasons:

1. The genre has evolved, but RR lacks a lot of the features of the other games.
2. It came out at too high of an initial price point: $50+.
3. It's missing a lot of modes.
4. There's a lack of customizations.
5. A few years ago, the public may have accepted a ton of covers, but not anymore.
6. The game lacks polish.
7 & 8. The way the notes come down is annoying to players. People have criticized the note structure for not making much sense.
 
Why the fuck is there no Skid Row in RB/GHWT? Well, or Matthew Sweet for that matter... As for RR: yeah, I'll probably buy it at $10 for I love music games and am an achievement whore. Anything more than that though... just seems too much.
 
[quote name='opportunity777']:lol:

Some sales numbers for this game ...

*Note: I never checked how they get their numbers or what the error % is so take it for what it's worth, but numerous sources state this game is selling like shit.

Soon, this will drop to $10 or under. Amazon has no price protection, so all prospective buyers beware.[/QUOTE]

OUCH! 40,000 total across 4 systems... Damn, that HAS to be one of the worst selling multi-platform games in quite a while.
 
[quote name='Jauron']$10 or less, I will hold firm.[/quote]

This man makes all of us cheap ass gamers proud! Hold firm my man! Wait until you can pick it up for the price of a rental! At that price, I don't think you can go wrong. So keep strong, true believer!!! It'll drop further in no time. Go Rock Band!!!
 
[quote name='opportunity777']From what I've seen and read, people don't like it for a plethora of reasons:

1. The genre has evolved, but RR lacks a lot of the features of the other games.
2. It came out at too high of an initial price point: $50+.
3. It's missing a lot of modes.
4. There's a lack of customizations.
5. A few years ago, the public may have accepted a ton of covers, but not anymore.
6. The game lacks polish.
7 & 8. The way the notes come down is annoying to players. People have criticized the note structure for not making much sense.
 
[quote name='mietha']OUCH! 40,000 total across 4 systems... Damn, that HAS to be one of the worst selling multi-platform games in quite a while.[/quote]
I can easily see this dropping to crazy bargain prices (less than $10). If that happens, they probably won't continue with DLC.
 
I paid $15 for this game and traded it the very next day.

My issue was that the placement of the "notes" gave me a headache. And I haven't been the only person to mention that. The way they stream on the left side of your screen straight down from top to bottom just isn't as pleasing to the eye the way RB and GH do it. The notes also seemed too small...and I play on a 67" HD. Because of these reasons, not only may it cause a headache but it seems a lot easier to miss more notes than the other games.

The charting seemed to be okay and the covers didn't really bother me. It really made me want Whitesnake for RB! They did have a couple of cool modes like don't strum certain colored notes, use the whammy bar on long notes, etc. but it wasn't enough to make me want to play it again.

I have never gotten sick from any game but if one gives you a massive headache just 30 minutes in...something is wrong. I went back to it and spent probably 4 hours with it off and on but while I was playing on it, I just kept thinking that I could be using that time to play RB or GH...which is not a good thing.

I say give it a shot at $15 or less but only if you are a music game fanatic and want to try all of them. If not...then it really isn't worth your time.
 
[quote name='BMXJouster']No, please don't go on because you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Most reviewers have been giving this game as low as 20-30%, which is highly unfair because they give it that score when in direct comparison to Guitar Hero and Rock Band. As a standalone music game, it's decent. Not great, not amazing, not spectacular...but decent. Have YOU ever actually played the game? :roll:[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry to make you all emotional at the end of your post.

:roll::roll::roll:

We can all use emoticons.

No, I indirectly stated several times that I have not played the game, but your reading skills are deficient.

For some reason, you are fiercely defending the game. It gives a distinct stench of fanboyism, but I don't want to accuse you of that because I feel it's a cop out for people who can't properly and intelligently express their opinions.

I pulled all of my information from a variety of sources. In the real world, the majority opinion on this game is that it sucks. Across the board, the opinions are consistent, so their value is higher than your own. Your opinion is of minor importance and insignificant, which is why your "argument" holds little value. Although, it is noteworthy because it shows a different perspective. But, your opinions come off as pompous and arrogant.

Because you are so eager to engage someone of intelligence in "conversation," here is a point-by-point response. I will let a few others do the talking for me. I only need a few sources (with some of my own interjections) because the opinions and information are consistent:

***NOTE: my original list could have been combined, so I'm removing the redundancy in your responses. As a respondent, you have a distinct advantage of being able to do this. Unfortunately, you don't seem to know how.

1 & 3.

"The Career mode is nothing more than playing a list of songs; there's no way to embark on a career as anything other than a solo act, no character customization, and nobody is playing the paltry online modes. ... [The original song list is approximately 40 songs]"

2.

It's still at least $10 to $20 over the budget price.

4, 5, 6 and parts of others.

"The graphics leave me puzzled, as well. The characters are not customizable, which in this day and age is, basically, unforgivable. Get beyond that and just play and you will be absolutely amazed to find that the audience is composed of hundreds of... the same dude, waving their (his?) arms in unison, in what looks like three to four frames of animation. I am... speechless."

5.

Yes, the companies should use the masters whenever possible. Covers exist, but the amount of them has been dramatically toned down. RR decided to ignore the changes in the genre and stumbled into an ugly mess.

"There are tunes from Metallica, Foo Fighters, Ratt, The Ramones, Fall Out Boy, Twisted Sister, Avril Lavigne, and more. This wouldn't be a bad list if not for the fact that all of the songs are covers. Some of them are decent, but the competition uses nothing but master tracks these days, so this ends up being just another way in which Rock Revolution fails to measure up. "

6.

Yes, if the graphics aren't as good, then they should effect the game play. Here's why:

"It's impossible to judge Rock Revolution in a vacuum. Rock Band and Guitar Hero have become ubiquitous, and gamers will undoubtedly gauge any new entrants in comparison with those leading franchises. And when measured against those games, Rock Revolution fails on nearly every count. The presentation is uninviting and in some cases downright maddening; the songs are lackluster covers; there are no vocals; and the gameplay takes several steps way backward for the genre."

7 & 8.

Those games are not leaders in the U.S. market. Your point is not important. But here, let someone else tell you:

"The note highway that displays upcoming notes is vertical and displayed on a 2D plane. As a result, it only shows a few notes at a time, which makes fast sections very difficult because you can't anticipate what's coming next. This problem is further exacerbated by an unusually small window in which to play the correct note, questionable note recognition, note patterns that don't match the music, and stringent requirements for passing songs. Not only is it easy to fail the average song, but frequent additional requirements, such as not playing "poison" notes, achieving a certain score, or passing a song despite the difficulty increasing midtune, also conspire to block your rock."

4, 5, 6, 7, 8 & 10.

Also, games evolve. Those left behind will be punished in the marketplace. Some great games are punished for poor marketing or other factors, but RR is not one of them.

"First of all, if you're used to the slanted viewpoint of the note lanes in Rock Band or Guitar Hero, you'll be in for a shock with Rock Revolution. Instead of appearing to enter the screen from the middle distance, the notes drop straight down from the top of the screen, giving you significantly less time to process what you're seeing. It's fine on medium difficulty on bass, but once you bump things up to hard on the drums, get ready to either cry or laugh, depending on whether or not you paid for this game. "

9.

"When you're playing drums along with an awful cover of, say "Blitzkrieg Bop," you'll see a line of seven pads along the bottom of the screen. You'll think to yourself, OK, I can do this. Breathe. Then the notes begin to fall, and all hell breaks loose. Where is the platinum-colored triangle? Wait, is the magenta triangle the farthest one to the right? They all seem like they're on the same plane! And in the middle of it all, you realize the kick pedal has been assigned the color orange and stuffed amongst all the other colors on-screen, just another face in the crowd. Part of the problem is that all the falling notes appear as circles, which doesn't help your brain separate the triangular pads from the circular ones on the set as you're playing. Confused yet? We're just getting warmed up.

Not only are the pads on the drum set clustered together awkwardly like plates at a tapas restaurant, they're also unresponsive, they lie too flat (resulting in unwanted rim shots), and when struck they sound like upturned plastic buckets. I was already frustrated with the Drum Set From Hell, but when a loading screen suggested I "try cross-sticking" to get the true drumming experience, I nearly threw the thing into the San Francisco Bay.

... Playing the drums in Rock Revolution makes you feel less like a rock star and more like you're taking some kind of psychological test after sustaining a head injury. So many shapes and colors... can't I just lie down, doc? ... [also seems to be a problem with non-RR sets is too many patterns]"

In conclusion ...

"Rock Revolution's one redeeming mode lets you create your own music by first choosing a style or sound for your instrument and then mapping chords, riffs, or beats to the frets or drum pads. It's highly unlikely you're going to make any sort of masterpiece with the limited tools available; you can't add your created works to the game's set list or share them online, but it is mildly amusing to see what you and a few friends can come up with by mashing fret buttons and banging on the drums.

If Rock Revolution came out two or three years ago, it might have been revolutionary, but in 2008, it's not even relevant. Uninspired presentation, a tiny tracklist that includes no master tracks, a complete lack of vocal support, uninteresting gameplay, and a barebones Career mode are just a few of the many ways in with Rock Revolution fails. In fact, it fails to live up to its name, Konami's past, and, most importantly, the competition."

Sometime in the future, use Google. It helps you find stuff; like information.

And yes, this game should be judged against its competitors. Isn't that how you buy products? You don't buy products in a vacuum, do you?

:roll::roll::roll:

NOTE:

I do not guarantee againt spelling or grammar mistakes. I may have forgotten or omitted some of my points. Given the limited "forum" I'm writing this for, I feel these are acceptable.
 
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yea not too good of a deal! wait till it drops more!! thanks though
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I picked it up used for around $12 at the last B2G1 at GS and for that type of price I think the game is fine. I have actually been enjoying it so far. It has some songs that aren't in GH or RB that I like and I do like some of the differences in gameplay like how you don't lose your entire multiplier if you miss just one note. Plus you can get some quick cheese in the game too :D!

Some of the criticisms do hold though so be warned. The note chart is hard on the eyes & there aren't a ton of customizations for your character (if that matters to you). Some of the covers aren't the best, but I think musically they usually are pretty good. The singing can be off on them, but for every chop suey there are a number of good covers (as was pointed out by the videos that were posted).

That said, there is no way this game deserves 20-30% reviews. I think of those types of low scores as a game that is broken or unfinished. This is simply an average music game. It's just that RB and GH have set the bar very high.

I guess take a look at how you play music games and decide if you want to pick this up. If you play a ton of RB and download songs each week then just spend your money on DLC. If you like to sample all the music games, like the Rock Revolution setlist or just want some quick cheese then consider trying this out at this or a lower price point. But as was mentioned, this game could very easily be under $10 soon. Finally, DON'T buy this game if your kids want the "Guitar Game" for xmas! :D
 
1 & 3.

You could say the same of the other two games. GH:WT's career mode forces you to play through setlists as well. And Rock Band 2 forces the player to either do setlists (Challenges), or World Tour, which is just playing mostly pre-determined setlists over and over until you earn pointless achievements like a van or a plane. It's still just playing through setlists and not much more (yeah, you can hire people and whatnot, but that doesn't affect the way you play the game, but rather difference bonuses you can get). At least Rock Revolution offers unique challenges like Poison Notes, or increasing difficulty.

Once again, why should character customization matter? It's a music game, so focus on the music. Character customization is cool, but it shouldn't be used as a reason to detract points from a game. People were perfectly content with pre-determined characters in the Guitar Hero series, or even in the AC/DC Live Track pack for Rock Band 2 (assuming you don't transfer the songs to RB2, but rather play it directly off the disc).

While there may be hardly any people playing online, they still offered it as an option for people to use, so why hurt the game because there's hardly anyone else playing? That's like denouncing Rock Band 1 because everyone's moved on to Rock Band 2 and there's hardly anyone online for Rock Band 1.

Yes, there's 41 songs, but that's 11 more than Guitar Hero Encore: Rocks the 80's and 23 more than AC/DC Live: Rock Band Track Pack, but those games did not even receive CLOSE to the same scores RR has gotten. Yet they both cost a LOT considering how little you got ($50 for 30 songs in GH:80s and $40 for 18 songs in AC/DC Track Pack). In RR, at the $50 price point, each song came out to about $1.22 a track, which is cheaper than what you'd pay in DLC in either RB2 or GH:WT. I fail to see how it was severely overpriced when compared to what Harmonix has put out in the past.

The only thing I agree with you on is not offering a band career mode, they should have done that. But again, I fail to see how that should hurt the game so badly.

2.

What determines budget price? To me, budget means cheaper than retail, which RR was technically. It may not have been bargain-bin priced, but still...$50 for 41 tracks is actually not that bad for everything you get.

4, 5, 6 and parts of others.

Again, what's with the whole argument about graphics? Music games are NOT supposed to be about the graphics. While I prefer good graphics, they're not the focus of music games, but rather the gameplay itself. To detract points from a music game simply based on graphics is unfair. I guess Guitar Hero 1 and 2 are crap since their graphics are shoddy compared to what we've got now, right?

5.

Not every company has the kind of money to throw around that Activision and EA have. Hell, the original Guitar Hero used cover tracks simply because it wasn't in their budget to use master tracks (well, that and most musical artists wouldn't allow it at the time due to it being a new game). Same went for GH2, yet no one complained back then.

6.

I've already answered this one. Most of the covers range from decent to near master quality and the character models and venues are above average in quality. Yes there's no vocals, but there wasn't in any Guitar Hero before World Tour, yet there was no problem with it back then. It shouldn't be used as a reason to basically call the game garbage.

7 & 8.

As I said before, if you practice a bit, it's not that bad. While I prefer GH/RB's slanted neck when playing guitar/bass, it's not impossible to use RR's 2D interface (I should know, I only play on Expert). While I can't get as high of scores in RR as I can in GH/RB, the 2D interface does NOT make the game unplayable or even virtually unplayable.

4, 5, 6, 7, 8 & 10.

See my last post.

9.
While I agree that playing the drums using their pads looks hard and confusing, with enough practice experienced drummers could probably do it fine. People managed master Drum Mania, which again, was considered a great game series by many music game players. Also, you have the option of cutting down the number of notes and using RB's drums, making it easier to play. At least you get a choice. It's not the best, but certainly not enough to warrant the game being considered dog crap like everyone else is saying.

[quote name='opportunity777'] Sometime in the future, use Google. It helps you find stuff; like information.

And yes, this game should be judged against its competitors. Isn't that how you buy products? You don't buy products in a vacuum, do you?[/quote]

There's no reason for me to use Google in this conversation since I actually played the damn game myself. I actually have experience with it, which is where I get my opinions of it from.

Yes, this game should be judged against competitors, you're right. But it should also be judged on its own merits as well. Most reviewers completely panned it simply because RB2 and GH:WT did everything better and left it at that. That's like me saying that Halo 3 should have scored 2's and 3's simply because games like Half-Life 2 and Doom 3 did everything better. That's just plain stupid.

I never said RR should have gotten high scores, but it never should have gotten 2's and 3's. The system is fine (not really broken), it has multiple game modes, decent graphics and a good setlist. Judged on its own merits, and not simply against its competitors, should show that the game is at the very least decent. 5's and 6's would have sufficed, an average score for an average game.
 
I bought it last week at $20. I'm almost finished playing the game on career mode. It was worth the money IMHO. It is definitely not as good as RB2. it is kinda like playing Guitar Hero 1 and that probably still sells for $20 or more.

At $50, it shouldn't have sold many copies compared to Rock Band or Guitar Hero. Those games just offered a lot more. $17 is a definite buy if you are a big fan of music games.
 
That Chop Suey cover isn't as "horrific" as everyone's making it out to be...
Haven't any of you ever been to Karaoke? :roll:
Or are all you haters professional singers? :lol:

And who cares if Rock Band/GH: World Tour have the master recording when you have someone singing on the mic?
 
You know, if you actually purchase music legally, like I (usually) do, the 10 free downloads brings the game down to around $7- which still isn't worth it for me, but getting closer. Seeing that completely-vertical fret board is just... horrible. I'm an OK Guitar Hero / Rock Band guitarist (I can ace all but the most difficult Hard songs and hold my own on Expert), but I'm pretty sure I'd fail on Hard in Rock Revolution.
 
[quote name='BMXJouster']1 & 3...[/QUOTE]

You didn't have to write so much because most of it was a rehash of your first long and detailed post.

The problem is simple. A lot of your statements are based on one irrational belief: the game's lack of overall quality compared to its competitors should not be used as judgment in the final product review. You want the product to be reviewed as a standalone product. This is not a OOAK item. Thus, it has comparables. The game's worth cannot be valued without them. This fundamental flaw undermines a lot of your opinion. I'm not saying people shouldn't like the game, or your opinion should not be read and accepted by people (although it's significance is low). Plainly, your framing of the issue makes your opinion seem silly.

Let me pose a couple of rhetorical questions for you:

If I want to solve a math problem, then do I need to rediscover and work out the proof?

If I need information on the human anatomy, then do I need to start dissecting people right way, or could I obtain important knowledge from a textbook?

I don't need to play this game to provide evidence it stinks, which is a mistake on your own part. Would I be more credible as a reviewer? Yes. But, I didn't review the title, which means my credibility was not put up for scrutiny. My post was littered with quotes from others. I didn't necessarily select that method because I'm lazy. I injected my own comments in the point-to-point breakdown as general statements about products.

You decided to frame your original "arguments" around You Vs. Me. Mine is framed as Majority Opinion Vs. You.

If you want to continue talking about this, then you may PM me. Readers have enough information here to make an informed decision.

Overall, I praise your attempt at a recovery and your change in tone for your second detailed response, but I do not agree with the basis of your opinion.
 
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[quote name='kicking222']You know, if you actually purchase music legally, like I (usually) do, the 10 free downloads brings the game down to around $7- which still isn't worth it for me, but getting closer. Seeing that completely-vertical fret board is just... horrible. I'm an OK Guitar Hero / Rock Band guitarist (I can ace all but the most difficult Hard songs and hold my own on Expert), but I'm pretty sure I'd fail on Hard in Rock Revolution.[/QUOTE]

It says the downloads are only available for purchases made through Amazon.com, where it's still $19.99-- the $16.99 price is through J&R...
 
BMXJouster, why do you defend this game so much? It's a really bad game. If you love it, more power to you. But please stop trying to convince others that this is a decent game. At best, it's a mediocre game. At worst, it's a real piece of poo poo.
 
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