Analyst says Wii will still be scarce untill 2009
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http://uk.reuters.com/article/technology-media-telco-SP/idUKT7466320070426?feedType=RSS
Japanese video game maker Nintendo Co. Ltd. (7974.OS: Quote, Profile, Research) scored a nearly eightfold rise in quarterly operating profit on vigorous sales of its DS handheld games, and forecast stronger than expected growth this year. Operating profit at Nintendo, known for such game characters as Mario, Donkey Kong and Pokemon, jumped to 58.4 billion yen ($489.8 million) in January through March, according to a Reuters calculation based on the full-year figures which the company released. That compared with 7.6 billion a year earlier.
Japanese video game maker Nintendo Co. Ltd. (7974.OS: Quote, Profile, Research) scored a nearly eightfold rise in quarterly operating profit on vigorous sales of its DS handheld games, and forecast stronger than expected growth this year. Operating profit at Nintendo, known for such game characters as Mario, Donkey Kong and Pokemon, jumped to 58.4 billion yen ($489.8 million) in January through March, according to a Reuters calculation based on the full-year figures which the company released. That compared with 7.6 billion a year earlier.
[quote name='daroga']Good call, TheErk.
I wonder if anyone who claims that the Wii is so obsolete understands that everything in the 360 and the PS3 is obsolete as well.[/quote]
Err, don't point fingers at me, all i said was the SD cards will be obsolete... Anyhow, saying things are obsolete now, is not completely wrong, chances are they will be obsolete anyway
Arrg, pointless arguement, move on...
I wonder if anyone who claims that the Wii is so obsolete understands that everything in the 360 and the PS3 is obsolete as well.[/quote]
Err, don't point fingers at me, all i said was the SD cards will be obsolete... Anyhow, saying things are obsolete now, is not completely wrong, chances are they will be obsolete anyway
Arrg, pointless arguement, move on...
[quote name='ahmedmalik']http://uk.reuters.com/article/technology-media-telco-SP/idUKT7466320070426?feedType=RSS
Japanese video game maker Nintendo Co. Ltd. (7974.OS: Quote, Profile, Research) scored a nearly eightfold rise in quarterly operating profit on vigorous sales of its DS handheld games, and forecast stronger than expected growth this year. Operating profit at Nintendo, known for such game characters as Mario, Donkey Kong and Pokemon, jumped to 58.4 billion yen ($489.8 million) in January through March, according to a Reuters calculation based on the full-year figures which the company released. That compared with 7.6 billion a year earlier.[/quote]
Hmmmm, nice and all, but still, if it's doing so well, why not put out more Wiis??? What, Nintendo is tired of making money? If that''s the case, then why not lower the price on Wii's Cooking Mama?
Japanese video game maker Nintendo Co. Ltd. (7974.OS: Quote, Profile, Research) scored a nearly eightfold rise in quarterly operating profit on vigorous sales of its DS handheld games, and forecast stronger than expected growth this year. Operating profit at Nintendo, known for such game characters as Mario, Donkey Kong and Pokemon, jumped to 58.4 billion yen ($489.8 million) in January through March, according to a Reuters calculation based on the full-year figures which the company released. That compared with 7.6 billion a year earlier.[/quote]
Hmmmm, nice and all, but still, if it's doing so well, why not put out more Wiis??? What, Nintendo is tired of making money? If that''s the case, then why not lower the price on Wii's Cooking Mama?
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[quote name='Serpentor']Hmmmm, nice and all, but still, if it's doing so well, why not put out more Wiis??? What, Nintendo is tired of making money? If that''s the case, then why not lower the price on Wii's Cooking Mama?[/quote]
Because you don't understand how to run a business. Nintendo works on the eastern business philosophy of long-term planning. Long term earnings will not be worth the short term investments.
Because you don't understand how to run a business. Nintendo works on the eastern business philosophy of long-term planning. Long term earnings will not be worth the short term investments.
ing stupid.
[quote name='ahmedmalik']Because you don't understand how to run a business. Nintendo works on the eastern business philosophy of long-term planning. Long term earnings will not be worth the short term investments.[/quote]
No, i don't know how to run a business, that's why i'm working for someone else. I didn't even know there's such thing as eastern business philosophy. Even though i don't know about business, but i can translate into simple terms.
Should i wait for price cut on the Wii? Long term investment.. Should i buy it now and enjoy it now? Short term investment.
The way i see it, short term investment returns the greater satisfaction than long term. Of course, if you happen to hate the Wii, oh well, big disappointment for the short term investment.
Anyhow, what's the harm of releasing more Wiis? i don't understand... besides that there's a possiblity of saving retail numbers for the next fiscal year and what not... Perhaps, Nintendo wants to hold on to this Wii shortage opportunity and uses it to its advantage? Again, i'm no business major, so all that long term short term eastern philosophy is BS (at least to me).
No, i don't know how to run a business, that's why i'm working for someone else. I didn't even know there's such thing as eastern business philosophy. Even though i don't know about business, but i can translate into simple terms.
Should i wait for price cut on the Wii? Long term investment.. Should i buy it now and enjoy it now? Short term investment.
The way i see it, short term investment returns the greater satisfaction than long term. Of course, if you happen to hate the Wii, oh well, big disappointment for the short term investment.
Anyhow, what's the harm of releasing more Wiis? i don't understand... besides that there's a possiblity of saving retail numbers for the next fiscal year and what not... Perhaps, Nintendo wants to hold on to this Wii shortage opportunity and uses it to its advantage? Again, i'm no business major, so all that long term short term eastern philosophy is BS (at least to me).
[quote name='TheErk']First off I'm not a Nintendo fanboi. The Wii is the 3rd console I've ever bought. The 1st being an Atari 2600 and the second being a Dreamcast (cause they went on sale for $50). I'm a PC gamer primarily now. With that said, it bugs the crap out of me when people start calling the Wii "obsolete" because it hasn't got the graphical power of the PSbox3. It's all about the GAMES not about how pretty they are. Sure I've played Resistance on the PS3 and heck yeah it was fun (specially in Co-op mode), but was it because it was shiny and pretty? Nope. It's because it was fun!
Nintendo set out to make an accessible console for those who have never played video games before. And you know what? It WORKED. THAT'S why it's kicking the other two consoles butt and that's why it will keep kicking their butt. On top of that, it's got a GREAT price point. Who wants to play $600 for a GAME system when you can go buy a laptop (that can do that and so much more) for that much? Granted, some on this board will/would/have but most folks won't.
I've been playing video games for 30 years now which I think qualifies me as being more "hardcore" than most of the "hardcore" gamers by quite a few years. And honestly I think those guys could use a nice cold glass of STFU and realize, it's the GAMES stupid, not the graphics.
Just my 3 cents.
--TheErk
BTW I picked up my Wii this weekend after showing up an hour after BB opened after seeing them in the newspaper ad. Our Wal-Mart in town had 5 or 6 on the SHELVES yesterday afternoon. Evidently supply is going up and I agree, this analyst doesn't have a clue.[/QUOTE]
It is the games, not the graphics (nor is it the control scheme). The reason I don't like the Wii now is because the games for it right now are not that good. Once the Wii actually gets a few good games, then I may consider buying it.
Nintendo set out to make an accessible console for those who have never played video games before. And you know what? It WORKED. THAT'S why it's kicking the other two consoles butt and that's why it will keep kicking their butt. On top of that, it's got a GREAT price point. Who wants to play $600 for a GAME system when you can go buy a laptop (that can do that and so much more) for that much? Granted, some on this board will/would/have but most folks won't.
I've been playing video games for 30 years now which I think qualifies me as being more "hardcore" than most of the "hardcore" gamers by quite a few years. And honestly I think those guys could use a nice cold glass of STFU and realize, it's the GAMES stupid, not the graphics.
Just my 3 cents.
--TheErk
BTW I picked up my Wii this weekend after showing up an hour after BB opened after seeing them in the newspaper ad. Our Wal-Mart in town had 5 or 6 on the SHELVES yesterday afternoon. Evidently supply is going up and I agree, this analyst doesn't have a clue.[/QUOTE]
It is the games, not the graphics (nor is it the control scheme). The reason I don't like the Wii now is because the games for it right now are not that good. Once the Wii actually gets a few good games, then I may consider buying it.
[quote name='Serpentor']No, i don't know how to run a business, that's why i'm working for someone else. I didn't even know there's such thing as eastern business philosophy. Even though i don't know about business, but i can translate into simple terms.
Should i wait for price cut on the Wii? Long term investment.. Should i buy it now and enjoy it now? Short term investment.
The way i see it, short term investment returns the greater satisfaction than long term. Of course, if you happen to hate the Wii, oh well, big disappointment for the short term investment.
Anyhow, what's the harm of releasing more Wiis? i don't understand... besides that there's a possiblity of saving retail numbers for the next fiscal year and what not... Perhaps, Nintendo wants to hold on to this Wii shortage opportunity and uses it to its advantage? Again, i'm no business major, so all that long term short term eastern philosophy is BS (at least to me).[/quote]There is an investment required to increase production. If they increase production to meet current demand (which is unknown, just that it's more than current supply), and demand drops over the next year or two, then you have excess production capability that goes to waste. What it seems they're attempting to do is produce a number that they think will appease the masses for now until the point when demand lessens.
Let's say that demand is actually some astronomical number like 5 million units monthly. So they up production to meet that demand, but then that demand is satisfied in two months. So now you are producing 5 million units a month, but sales are down to the more realistic rate of 1 million a month. That's not a good investment.
Should i wait for price cut on the Wii? Long term investment.. Should i buy it now and enjoy it now? Short term investment.
The way i see it, short term investment returns the greater satisfaction than long term. Of course, if you happen to hate the Wii, oh well, big disappointment for the short term investment.
Anyhow, what's the harm of releasing more Wiis? i don't understand... besides that there's a possiblity of saving retail numbers for the next fiscal year and what not... Perhaps, Nintendo wants to hold on to this Wii shortage opportunity and uses it to its advantage? Again, i'm no business major, so all that long term short term eastern philosophy is BS (at least to me).[/quote]There is an investment required to increase production. If they increase production to meet current demand (which is unknown, just that it's more than current supply), and demand drops over the next year or two, then you have excess production capability that goes to waste. What it seems they're attempting to do is produce a number that they think will appease the masses for now until the point when demand lessens.
Let's say that demand is actually some astronomical number like 5 million units monthly. So they up production to meet that demand, but then that demand is satisfied in two months. So now you are producing 5 million units a month, but sales are down to the more realistic rate of 1 million a month. That's not a good investment.
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According to itrackr, 4 out 5 Target stores and 1 CompUSA in my area have the wii in stock right now.
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[quote name='Serpentor']No, i don't know how to run a business, that's why i'm working for someone else. I didn't even know there's such thing as eastern business philosophy. Even though i don't know about business, but i can translate into simple terms.
Should i wait for price cut on the Wii? Long term investment.. Should i buy it now and enjoy it now? Short term investment.
The way i see it, short term investment returns the greater satisfaction than long term. Of course, if you happen to hate the Wii, oh well, big disappointment for the short term investment.
Anyhow, what's the harm of releasing more Wiis? i don't understand... besides that there's a possiblity of saving retail numbers for the next fiscal year and what not... Perhaps, Nintendo wants to hold on to this Wii shortage opportunity and uses it to its advantage? Again, i'm no business major, so all that long term short term eastern philosophy is BS (at least to me).[/quote]
I simply stated how the company has worked since Yamauchi was in charge. Even with the change in leadership, the basic philosophy behind Nintendo hasn't veered since Iwata took over (hence why the company refuses to sell a product at a loss). Botticus explained it very well so read his post, although I will say that I am at a loss at how you don't comprehend the situation Nintendo is in. It's not about satisfaction. It's about money. You're thinking about it from the standpoint of a consumer, which is why you can't get your head around the issue.
Should i wait for price cut on the Wii? Long term investment.. Should i buy it now and enjoy it now? Short term investment.
The way i see it, short term investment returns the greater satisfaction than long term. Of course, if you happen to hate the Wii, oh well, big disappointment for the short term investment.
Anyhow, what's the harm of releasing more Wiis? i don't understand... besides that there's a possiblity of saving retail numbers for the next fiscal year and what not... Perhaps, Nintendo wants to hold on to this Wii shortage opportunity and uses it to its advantage? Again, i'm no business major, so all that long term short term eastern philosophy is BS (at least to me).[/quote]
I simply stated how the company has worked since Yamauchi was in charge. Even with the change in leadership, the basic philosophy behind Nintendo hasn't veered since Iwata took over (hence why the company refuses to sell a product at a loss). Botticus explained it very well so read his post, although I will say that I am at a loss at how you don't comprehend the situation Nintendo is in. It's not about satisfaction. It's about money. You're thinking about it from the standpoint of a consumer, which is why you can't get your head around the issue.
[quote name='retammisto']According to itrackr, 4 out 5 Target stores and 1 CompUSA in my area have the wii in stock right now.[/QUOTE]
Targets are stockpiling them for the weekly ad (Sunday sales). So any Target with them "in stock" is likely to appear that way for a few days and yet not have any for sale (till Sunday AM).
Targets are stockpiling them for the weekly ad (Sunday sales). So any Target with them "in stock" is likely to appear that way for a few days and yet not have any for sale (till Sunday AM).
Well, here in Portland, OR the situtation is no different than it has been since launch. No Wii's available anywhere. Even the $400 Fry's bundles sold out pretty quickly. That's not to say if you know when a shipment is coming or a Sunday sale happens that you can't get one with minimal effort. But in terms of walking into any store and buying one, I don't see that happening any time soon.
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[quote name='TheErk']First off I'm not a Nintendo fanboi. The Wii is the 3rd console I've ever bought. The 1st being an Atari 2600 and the second being a Dreamcast (cause they went on sale for $50). I'm a PC gamer primarily now. ...
....I've been playing video games for 30 years now which I think qualifies me as being more "hardcore" than most of the "hardcore" gamers by quite a few years. And honestly I think those guys could use a nice cold glass of STFU and realize, it's the GAMES stupid, not the graphics. ...[/quote]
3 systems in 30 years is not hardcore.
You're not hardcore, you're just old
....I've been playing video games for 30 years now which I think qualifies me as being more "hardcore" than most of the "hardcore" gamers by quite a few years. And honestly I think those guys could use a nice cold glass of STFU and realize, it's the GAMES stupid, not the graphics. ...[/quote]
3 systems in 30 years is not hardcore.
You're not hardcore, you're just old
[quote name='botticus']There is an investment required to increase production. If they increase production to meet current demand (which is unknown, just that it's more than current supply), and demand drops over the next year or two, then you have excess production capability that goes to waste. What it seems they're attempting to do is produce a number that they think will appease the masses for now until the point when demand lessens.
Let's say that demand is actually some astronomical number like 5 million units monthly. So they up production to meet that demand, but then that demand is satisfied in two months. So now you are producing 5 million units a month, but sales are down to the more realistic rate of 1 million a month. That's not a good investment.[/quote]
thanks... makes perfect sense... if that's the case, then either Nintendo is still not getting the demand numbers right (it's a bit hard, i know) or the demand is not "real" demand? By that i mean, people screaming for a Wii, but as soon as it's on the shelves, they kinda change their minds...
Anyhow, looks like my guess is going to be correct, by the end of June, the Wii drought will be over. The last thing i want to hear is, "hahaha, look man, you still can't get a Wii!" Nothing wrong with that statment, but it's very annoying when people use that against the PS3. Again, nothing wrong with that, it's just someting childish i would say. I own both the Wii and PS3 and if i have to save one from the fire, i will save the PS3 w/o thinking. Well, for one thing is more expensive, but for the other thing, it's a well built piece of hardware (trust me, it is).
Let's say that demand is actually some astronomical number like 5 million units monthly. So they up production to meet that demand, but then that demand is satisfied in two months. So now you are producing 5 million units a month, but sales are down to the more realistic rate of 1 million a month. That's not a good investment.[/quote]
thanks... makes perfect sense... if that's the case, then either Nintendo is still not getting the demand numbers right (it's a bit hard, i know) or the demand is not "real" demand? By that i mean, people screaming for a Wii, but as soon as it's on the shelves, they kinda change their minds...
Anyhow, looks like my guess is going to be correct, by the end of June, the Wii drought will be over. The last thing i want to hear is, "hahaha, look man, you still can't get a Wii!" Nothing wrong with that statment, but it's very annoying when people use that against the PS3. Again, nothing wrong with that, it's just someting childish i would say. I own both the Wii and PS3 and if i have to save one from the fire, i will save the PS3 w/o thinking. Well, for one thing is more expensive, but for the other thing, it's a well built piece of hardware (trust me, it is).
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That's not what he meant. He's not talking about people "changing their mind once it is on the shelf." In his example, it's just not that easy to hire 5x the number of people for a month or two then suddenly lay them off. You don't keep happy employees and manufacturing partners that way.
[quote name='CappyCobra']3 systems in 30 years is not hardcore.
You're not hardcore, you're just old[/quote]
And you can't read.
Read my original post. I plainly stated that I'm a PC Gamer largely. Since my Atari 2600, I've had 2 Commodore 64's (burned one of them up from overuse), a Commodore 128, a Commodore Amiga 500 and 4000, and more PC's (starting with a P75) than I can count, all but two of which (a P75 and 133) I've built myself. I wouldn't consider 35 old. BTW, there were 2 other consoles before the Atari 2600, but I can't remember the names of them and they didn't even use cartridges, although one of them had a light gun!
Sheesh. So I guess YOU'RE hardcore?? Whatever. I'd wager that I had played more games before you stopped wearing diapers than you have in your entire life. Being a jerk isn't cool, bud.
--TheErk
You're not hardcore, you're just old
[/quote]And you can't read.
Read my original post. I plainly stated that I'm a PC Gamer largely. Since my Atari 2600, I've had 2 Commodore 64's (burned one of them up from overuse), a Commodore 128, a Commodore Amiga 500 and 4000, and more PC's (starting with a P75) than I can count, all but two of which (a P75 and 133) I've built myself. I wouldn't consider 35 old. BTW, there were 2 other consoles before the Atari 2600, but I can't remember the names of them and they didn't even use cartridges, although one of them had a light gun!
Sheesh. So I guess YOU'RE hardcore?? Whatever. I'd wager that I had played more games before you stopped wearing diapers than you have in your entire life. Being a jerk isn't cool, bud.
--TheErk
[quote name='ananag112']It is the games, not the graphics (nor is it the control scheme). The reason I don't like the Wii now is because the games for it right now are not that good. Once the Wii actually gets a few good games, then I may consider buying it.[/QUOTE]
I agree. The only substantial looking games out right now are SPM and Zelda, both which I know will drop down to players choice level in a year or so, so I'm not throwing away $50 right now. I have a hard time spending full price on a game with only 10 hours or so of gameplay, which is why I play mostly RPG's. The amount of value I get out of them is more with it for my money, and Nintendo has lacked a broad RPG library in quite a few years.
I agree. The only substantial looking games out right now are SPM and Zelda, both which I know will drop down to players choice level in a year or so, so I'm not throwing away $50 right now. I have a hard time spending full price on a game with only 10 hours or so of gameplay, which is why I play mostly RPG's. The amount of value I get out of them is more with it for my money, and Nintendo has lacked a broad RPG library in quite a few years.
I'm enjoying both SPM and ZTP, but the thing is... maybe just me... SPM, the dialogues sre sooo childish that even my six years old find it mundane (the boomer pixl for example). Also, the texts try to be funny, but most of the time, they're not. No real spoiler here, remember the koopa captain said "leave no men behind"? Shouldn't that be "no reptiles" or "no turtles" or "no troopers?" Anyhow, the text in SPM bother the *hit out of me. I skim on most of them...
As for ZTP, i still think the wavebird controller is better. For that reason, i like Winderwaker more than ZTP. Damn, i shoulda just get the GC's version of ZTP, right? But giving the price and the fact that i got the Wii, it kinda make no sense to buy the GC's ZTP... Anyhow, just a minor complaint, the wiimote is still okay for ZTP. Ah, here's a thought, Nintendo should have include a GC version of ZTP on the Wii's ZTP disc! That means, you can play the game with the wavebird and you don't need to buy the same game twice damn, they should have done that...
As for ZTP, i still think the wavebird controller is better. For that reason, i like Winderwaker more than ZTP. Damn, i shoulda just get the GC's version of ZTP, right? But giving the price and the fact that i got the Wii, it kinda make no sense to buy the GC's ZTP... Anyhow, just a minor complaint, the wiimote is still okay for ZTP. Ah, here's a thought, Nintendo should have include a GC version of ZTP on the Wii's ZTP disc! That means, you can play the game with the wavebird and you don't need to buy the same game twice
damn, they should have done that...
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[quote name='TheErk']And you can't read.
Read my original post. I plainly stated that I'm a PC Gamer largely. Since my Atari 2600, I've had 2 Commodore 64's (burned one of them up from overuse), a Commodore 128, a Commodore Amiga 500 and 4000, and more PC's (starting with a P75) than I can count, all but two of which (a P75 and 133) I've built myself. I wouldn't consider 35 old. BTW, there were 2 other consoles before the Atari 2600, but I can't remember the names of them and they didn't even use cartridges, although one of them had a light gun!
Sheesh. So I guess YOU'RE hardcore?? Whatever. I'd wager that I had played more games before you stopped wearing diapers than you have in your entire life. Being a jerk isn't cool, bud.
--TheErk[/quote]
You wager wrong my friend. Sarcasm is lost on you. I should clarify then you're PC (C64/129, Amiga, & IBM PC) hardcore. But console hardcore you are not. I should have clarified that in my last statement and for that I apologize.
Console-wise I've owned/played pretty much everything under the sun at one point. Only exceptions I can think of are the oddessy, Intellivision, Turbo Duo & the PS3.
Either way I was just joshin you and it's my fault for not using the emoticons
Read my original post. I plainly stated that I'm a PC Gamer largely. Since my Atari 2600, I've had 2 Commodore 64's (burned one of them up from overuse), a Commodore 128, a Commodore Amiga 500 and 4000, and more PC's (starting with a P75) than I can count, all but two of which (a P75 and 133) I've built myself. I wouldn't consider 35 old. BTW, there were 2 other consoles before the Atari 2600, but I can't remember the names of them and they didn't even use cartridges, although one of them had a light gun!
Sheesh. So I guess YOU'RE hardcore?? Whatever. I'd wager that I had played more games before you stopped wearing diapers than you have in your entire life. Being a jerk isn't cool, bud.
--TheErk[/quote]
You wager wrong my friend. Sarcasm is lost on you.
I should clarify then you're PC (C64/129, Amiga, & IBM PC) hardcore. But console hardcore you are not. I should have clarified that in my last statement and for that I apologize. Console-wise I've owned/played pretty much everything under the sun at one point. Only exceptions I can think of are the oddessy, Intellivision, Turbo Duo & the PS3.
Either way I was just joshin you and it's my fault for not using the emoticons
Then I too apologize for being immune to sarcasm and calling you jerk, etc etc.
Nice to meet someone willing to apologize on a board. And an old timer at that
Impressive list of console plays. I have to admit, that I've been trying to get "caught up" on some of the earlier console stuff that I missed while spending hours on hours playing Bards Tale.
--TheErk
Nice to meet someone willing to apologize on a board. And an old timer at that
Impressive list of console plays. I have to admit, that I've been trying to get "caught up" on some of the earlier console stuff that I missed while spending hours on hours playing Bards Tale.
--TheErk
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Analysts are full of it. They are always making up nonsense that sounds quite outrageous...probably paid to hype up products
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[quote name='TheErk']Then I too apologize for being immune to sarcasm and calling you jerk, etc etc.
Nice to meet someone willing to apologize on a board. And an old timer at that
Impressive list of console plays. I have to admit, that I've been trying to get "caught up" on some of the earlier console stuff that I missed while spending hours on hours playing Bards Tale.
--TheErk[/quote]I get my old skool fix from my local flea market. Just gotta be there when it first opens and you'll find a treasure trove of classic gaming on the cheap (before the sellers realize WTF they have ). I got a MIB NES ROB system and a Sega Master System for $50 last year at the market. 
Nice to meet someone willing to apologize on a board. And an old timer at that
Impressive list of console plays. I have to admit, that I've been trying to get "caught up" on some of the earlier console stuff that I missed while spending hours on hours playing Bards Tale.
--TheErk[/quote]I get my old skool fix from my local flea market. Just gotta be there when it first opens and you'll find a treasure trove of classic gaming on the cheap (before the sellers realize WTF they have
). I got a MIB NES ROB system and a Sega Master System for $50 last year at the market. Friend of Sonic
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I was in EBs today and I saw a package of Wiis get off. Literally 5 seconds later a customer, unaware of the shipment, asked for Wiis and bought one. In the middle of the transaction, a second person came in asking about Wiis and bought one. In the span of a minute, two Wiis sold. I don't think Wiis will be scarce until 2009-- it'd be ridiculous to think that-- but there's a definite demand now.
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