Analyst: Wii, DS Success a Bad Thing

and you say blogging is mankind's downfall? you do the same thing on CAG.. Except with bad Nintendo news.. what a hypocrite.

On topic, publishers need to stop whining about how only Nintendo games sell on Nintendo platforms and start putting out some stuff that can compete. If they want to sell over Super Paper Mario and Wario Ware, they need to do more than Far Cry and Prince of Persia with Wii controls.

I suppose they'll be the ones losing out in the long run though when they don't capitalize on the Wii's install base and instead have to flush millions down the drain making expensive next gen projects. Maybe then they'll use the excuse "nobody buys our shitty games because they want Halo 3/Resistance 2/Ratchet"
 
[quote name='jer7583']and you say blogging is mankind's downfall? you do the same thing on CAG.. Except with bad Nintendo news.. what a hypocrite.

On topic, publishers need to stop whining about how only Nintendo games sell on Nintendo platforms and start putting out some stuff that can compete. If they want to sell over Super Paper Mario and Wario Ware, they need to do more than Far Cry and Prince of Persia with Wii controls.

I suppose they'll be the ones losing out in the long run though when they don't capitalize on the Wii's install base and instead have to flush millions down the drain making expensive next gen projects. Maybe then they'll use the excuse "nobody buys our shitty games because they want Halo 3/Resistance 2/Ratchet"[/QUOTE]

wow you really are a moron, if you noticed I didn't even write anything. I just copied and paste. You must not know anything..... Better stop before you embarrass yourself more.
 
Obviously they're dominating software sales: they're the ones with the good games.

It's the thrid party's fault that they've ignored the DS and the Wii for so long. Hopefully, for their own sake, they'll start opening development houses for the Nintendo consoles.
 
Few things:

- Zoglog is on my ignore list for shit like this.

- Clearly, Nintendo makes the best games on their consoles, so they're undoubtedly gonna sell better.

- Developers have been mostly throwing crappy ports at the DS and Wii, so of course they're not gonna sell.
 
“Nintendo has not only increased the size of the market, but it has also re-segmented it in its own favor, in our view"

Wrong. Nintendo has increased the size of the market by releasing consoles and games that appeal to the demographics in this increased market. The market is expanding because gamers like what Nintendo has to offer.

Now other publishers can follow suit and capture the demographics that have already been openened up to gaming by Nintendo, or they can ignore the lucrative demographics that they could profit from.

Either way the market is expanding, which is absolutely never bad news.
 
What scares me, as a 360 and probable eventual PS3 owner, about the Wii (and this was reinforced by "1up Yours" two weeks ago, when Bryan Intihar guested) is that if it continues to grow ever more popular, it will be detrimental to the climate of the entire industry.

I'm sorry, I happen to like fully fleshed-out games with top-of-the-line graphics and online capabilities that utilize conventional controls. That's not to say that I don't like what the Wii can offer...as a 'change of pace'. It is to say, however, that I don't want the 360/PS3/PC to be getting 'port ups' of Wii games, as opposed to the other way around. Maybe the 'next gen' started a year too early, maybe it didn't, but I don't want the PS2 to be the 'pivot point' for all of cross-platforming gaming for the remainder of the decade.

Also, even if you think all of the above is far-fetched, you have to concede that so far Nintendo and publishers have no motivation to elevate the average Wii game to where it technically should be, i.e. at least as good-looking as a late-cycle Gamecube title, not a slightly-tweaked PSP port.

Always happy to endear myself to 'the faithful',

jd
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']What scares me, as a 360 and probable eventual PS3 owner, about the Wii (and this was reinforced by "1up Yours" two weeks ago, when Bryan Intihar guested) is that if it continues to grow ever more popular, it will be detrimental to the climate of the entire industry. [/QUOTE]
Agreed. Being a Wii owner I am quite scared when I see one of my favorite game series have a "shake your Wii remote vigourously" screen... and then you shake the Wii remote vigourously to play.

However, I don't see games like God of War, Metal Gear Solid, Halo, Tom Clancy series, etc going anywhere soon. And I think other types of games would do alright on the Wii hardware... as long as they don't impliment "shake the Wii remote vigourously".
 
Don't worry, jolly... I know of very few games that would "port up" well from the Wii. If a game is going on the Wii first, odds are slim that it's something that will just be a quick and easy project to put on 360 or PS3. Cooking Mama probably ain't gonna be on the 360, you know?

The Wii won't be bigger than the 360 for a couple years yet, if ever, so it's sort of a silly concern. I don't think anyone can realistically say the Wii will reach PS2-type domination - even then, I dare say without any real evidence, that lots of multiplatform games were ported to the PS2 from the Xbox rather than vice versa.
 
Well, I really never considered a Cooking Mama game on the 360 (even as a Live Arcade Wednesday release), but what I guess I'm saying is that I can see the Wii being the 'baseline' for future multiconsole releases (even those that right now wouldn't even thought of as Wii candidates), and then they would 'enhance' those from a technical standpoint, so that we get a lot of games two or three years from now that look like Marvel Ultimate Alliance. That make more sense?
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']Well, I really never considered a Cooking Mama game on the 360 (even as a Live Arcade Wednesday release), but what I guess I'm saying is that I can see the Wii being the 'baseline' for future multiconsole releases (even those that right now wouldn't even thought of as Wii candidates), and then they would 'enhance' those from a technical standpoint, so that we get a lot of games two or three years from now that look like Marvel Ultimate Alliance. That make more sense?[/quote]Oh, I understand where you're coming from, but I just don't see EA starting work on a Wii Madden, and then making the other versions based off that one. Sort of a bad example since EA is one of the first to have entirely separate studios working on Wii stuff (though Activision is another case with your example of Marvel: UA - Vicarious Visions handled that separate from the PS3 and 360 developer, as they are doing with Spiderman 3).

So yes, your worry is founded, but I don't share it. And even though you will never believe it, I am getting a PS3 within, let's say, 3 years, so it would be of some concern to me as well.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']Well, I really never considered a Cooking Mama game on the 360 (even as a Live Arcade Wednesday release), but what I guess I'm saying is that I can see the Wii being the 'baseline' for future multiconsole releases (even those that right now wouldn't even thought of as Wii candidates), and then they would 'enhance' those from a technical standpoint, so that we get a lot of games two or three years from now that look like Marvel Ultimate Alliance. That make more sense?[/quote]Essentially, the Wii will be the lowest common denominator that all games are based on and then ported up to the 360?

I think there's some concern for that. We saw a lot of it last generation as games were designed for the PS2 and slopped over to the Xbox and Cube. The totally different control mechanism throws a monkey wrench into the view though. Last gen everyone had very similar controllers. But that's not true this time around.

I think by virture of its design the Wii is just going to have different software than the 360/PS3. Hopefully its well thought out for both markets, though.
 
[quote name='evanft']Few things:

- Zoglog is on my ignore list for shit like this.

[/QUOTE]

I love how this is the 4th time he's posted this ;)

Putting his e-penis aside, this isn't the real focus of the problem
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']What scares me, as a 360 and probable eventual PS3 owner, about the Wii (and this was reinforced by "1up Yours" two weeks ago, when Bryan Intihar guested) is that if it continues to grow ever more popular, it will be detrimental to the climate of the entire industry.

I'm sorry, I happen to like fully fleshed-out games with top-of-the-line graphics and online capabilities that utilize conventional controls. That's not to say that I don't like what the Wii can offer...as a 'change of pace'. It is to say, however, that I don't want the 360/PS3/PC to be getting 'port ups' of Wii games, as opposed to the other way around. Maybe the 'next gen' started a year too early, maybe it didn't, but I don't want the PS2 to be the 'pivot point' for all of cross-platforming gaming for the remainder of the decade.

Also, even if you think all of the above is far-fetched, you have to concede that so far Nintendo and publishers have no motivation to elevate the average Wii game to where it technically should be, i.e. at least as good-looking as a late-cycle Gamecube title, not a slightly-tweaked PSP port.

Always happy to endear myself to 'the faithful',

jd[/quote]


i agree with what youre saying and though i dont see the ds's success as a negative i do see the wii's as one. not because of the other systems not selling as much but because of the type of gamer theyre targeting. the wii isnt made for those of us who have been gaming for years now and like deeper moreengrossing and challenging games.

alot of their games tend to be targetted towards the A.D.D gamers of the world. the people who dont play games to get into a deep story or be challenged. they want a quickie pure and simple and with more those types of gamers coming out to support the wii developers will see this and be more tempted to shell out more lazy games like this.

im sure some of the serious gamers dig the wii and its games too but i think the more advanced old school or hardcore gamers can see through the limitations of the wii ( and i dont just mean graphics) and tend to lean more towards the 360 and ps3 for their gaming fix. and of course theres plenty of us who are biding our times with the ps2 till a nice price drop happens.

i want more realistic game environments, graphics and new levels of interactivity and deeper storylines i could give a shit about 'innovative ' controlls and that includes the six axis controller too. give me a controller with plenty of buttons some rumble and plenty of diff game types to satisfy all my gaming interests and online gaming honestly is just icing on the cake not a deal maker or breaker.

and aside from the gimmicky touch screen of the ds i like it as far as portable gaimg goes but nintendo has always done that well and its why they dominate. but alot fo their games tend to be rehashes of n64 games with extra added stuff except for the new games which some are pretty cool. the psp coul dhave done better if theyd fashioned it to work like a ps2 controller the lack of those 2 buttons and that other thumb stick ( and at one point its price) is what hindered that systems sales. sucks their movies didnt sell well either but what can you expect why pay 20 bucks for a stripped down dvd when you can get a dvd.
 
Wow. Jollydwarf, Pyrogamer, and Zoglog. All in one thread.

And yet the earth has not yet opened a great rift, and swallowed me whole.

When I originally saw this at GoNintendo, my first thought was: "Who is going to post it at CAG? Zoglog or Frisky?"

Guess I owe someone a Coke.
 
And even though you will never believe it, I am getting a PS3 within, let's say, 3 years, so it would be of some concern to me as well.

Hunh? I have no problem believing that. Qualifying your Madden example with the understanding that EA is an exception here (one reason why I maintain my prediction that they will at least somewhat turn around their public image this year) proves that you're level-headed enough to not be a loyal to a single console maker.

In other news, apparently some of us are not truly pouring every ounce of our malice into our posts. We should do well to double our efforts.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']What scares me, as a 360 and probable eventual PS3 owner, about the Wii (and this was reinforced by "1up Yours" two weeks ago, when Bryan Intihar guested) is that if it continues to grow ever more popular, it will be detrimental to the climate of the entire industry.

I'm sorry, I happen to like fully fleshed-out games with top-of-the-line graphics and online capabilities that utilize conventional controls. That's not to say that I don't like what the Wii can offer...as a 'change of pace'. It is to say, however, that I don't want the 360/PS3/PC to be getting 'port ups' of Wii games, as opposed to the other way around. Maybe the 'next gen' started a year too early, maybe it didn't, but I don't want the PS2 to be the 'pivot point' for all of cross-platforming gaming for the remainder of the decade.

Also, even if you think all of the above is far-fetched, you have to concede that so far Nintendo and publishers have no motivation to elevate the average Wii game to where it technically should be, i.e. at least as good-looking as a late-cycle Gamecube title, not a slightly-tweaked PSP port.

Always happy to endear myself to 'the faithful',

jd[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I see what you're saying (and you're not wrong about the graphics -- WTF, devs, WTF?), but I'm not particularly concerned. For one, the niche titles that get released for the Wii won't have the budget that necessitates the "up port" to the 360/PS3. Further, it's possible that some of the smaller games that aren't fundamentally about motion control might wind up as Live downloads, like last gen's Alien Hominid. Not that there aren't exceptions (Raving Rabbids) but I expect them to be such abortions that the sales will quickly indicate this sort of thing is a bad, bad idea.

Anyway, we went through this when Live was building some steam: "Does this mean the single player game is going to go the way of the dodo, as everyone starts to concentrate on online multiplayer in the future? Is this bad for the industry?" This worried hand-wringing will pass.
 
I don't see the success of the Wii and DS as bad. This is because the gaming market is diverging into 2 distinct, seperate markets: The hardcore and casual. Each has its own niche. There is going to be a crowd who wants deep, expansive games with stunning graphics and deep gameplay. They are going to buy the 360 and PS3. THen there is the causal crowd. These people will buy a Wii, DS, and, to some extent, maybe the PS2. They want fun, casual games that don't require 100 hours to complete. I fall into the second crowd. I love my DS- being able to play for 5 minutes is great. I love my Wii as well- Zelda was a deep, fabulous experience, Super Paper Mario is a fun, deep experience, Super Mario Galaxy will be a blast, and Wii SPorts is fun when hanging out with people. This is great for gaming- the hardcore has two systems that will give them exactly what they want, and people like me can enjoy their Wii and DS. Gaming is finally reaching a point where it will be as common and accepted as movies and music, and this should be a moment for rejoicing- not "look at our industry fall down." Now excuse me, I'm gonna go relax with some Pokemon Diamond....
 
I had read an analysis somewhere regarding the Japanese sales in particular, that concluded that so far, things like Brain Age for example, werent selling to the detriment of other games, but others games were selling as usual, with Nintendo software selling exceptionally on its own.

I thought competition was supposed to be good? Classical gaming isnt going to suddenly be so niche that no one will be willing to cater to it. You think people are going to stop making shooters on the xbox and jump on the nintendo bandwagon?

However, if this is the kind of doom that the industry is headed for, I'm all for it. I'm not even a Wii gamer. I own one game. But I could play DS games with GBA graphics till the end of time.
 
I think the Wii's success is fantastic, simply because it does open up the gaming world to so many new faces. They may not be interested in Halo or GTA, but they love something like Cooking Mama or Wii Sports. Hell, I had no expectations for Wii Sports and I still played it twice as much as any other Wii game I had. I doubt we'll see many "port-ups" at all, but I'm happy to see some port-downs from the more powerful consoles as long as that's not all the publishers are willing to give. As evidenced by Wii Sports, Wii Play, WarioWare, et al, simple games can be really fun and can't be all that tricky to put together. The publishers can even save their best developing equipment and most technical designers for their PS3/360 projects while having some other creative folks pumping out fun and whimsical Wii projects. So very simple, but we still need to wait and see who's willing to make that first step. I think once a couple third-parties move in that direction and succeed, the rest will quickly follow.
 
A couple things to mention. The Wii will probably have outsold the Xbox 360 by this fall. Worldwide the numbers according to Nintendo are about 6 million units sold. The 360 is somewhere still around the 10-11 million units sold. The fact is that the Wii is the PS2 of this generation, or at least at this point it is. It will likely be the system with the most diverse catalog. That's not a bad thing for gamers. That means you can have your cutting edge graphics and good gameplay and everything in between.

As for the developer's pushing graphics, well, I'm not sure, but Gears of War was the first game on the 360 that really made me say, "This is next-gen stuff" everything before it was nice, but only a minor step up from the last gen. Give it time, and the games will come. I think what matters to Nintendo more is that they put out the games that they've been promising for a while now. If they gave us Smash Bros., Metroid Prime 3, and Mario Galaxy would people be complaining all that much?
 
If this whole scenario were indeed the case, I'd be quicker to say that pushing technology too much and the associated development cost is what drove developers to Nintendo.

Like Itagaki said, it takes a very talented developer to develop properly for the Wii. You dont have the textures and light bloom to make fancy screenshots to sell the game. What you need is solid design, and not everyone is capable of that. You'll have a rushed, 3rd tier team developed game on the Wii not sell well, and the developer in question will blame Nintendo's first tier software and move to another platform.
 
I forgot one last point... Dear 3rd party developers, can you please make games from the ground up for Wii? I want to buy your games. I really do. But when all you release is crappy ports... seriously. I don't buy crap. I buy good games! Give me more Sonics, SSX's, etc. and I will be happy!
 
[quote name='evanft']Few things:

- Zoglog is on my ignore list for shit like this.

[/quote]Nice to see you just ignoring people who don't have the same opinions as your own. If you're so afraid of seeing differing opinions, maybe you should just make your own little forum, where you and all your buddies hangout, where you can all agree on everything everyone says.
 
[quote name='Redeema']A couple things to mention. The Wii will probably have outsold the Xbox 360 by this fall. [/quote]Yes, because Halo 3 and Grand Theft Auto IV, 2 games that will be on the 360 and NOT the Wii, they won't help boost 360 sales at all, will they?
 
You'd think Motorstorm and VF5 would've moved PS3's in Japan, despite selling well. But they didnt.

It is possible to sell primarily to the base and not move that many more additional systems.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Yes, because Halo 3 and Grand Theft Auto IV, 2 games that will be on the 360 and NOT the Wii, they won't help boost 360 sales at all, will they?[/quote]

Hey.
You can quote more than one post in a single reply.
 
wasn't motorstorm a sony branded system seller...if you go by cheapys review it was nothing special...as for virtual fighter 5, is $660 the type of money to drop on a system for a fighting game. I am sure some people did, but it had been announced that virtual fighter 5 was coming to the 360, so does it make any sense to spend the extra money on a game if said customer doesn't really have a favorite system. Yes, imo halo will move systems for the xbox360 this holiday, and if the launch of the game coincides with a price drop (which msft is in the position of doing as they are allegedly making $100 per system) then I would find it hard to believe that nintendo would catch up this holiday season. If the big N does drop all of the alleged end of year games (metroid, galaxy,supersmash brothers) and msft doesn't have a price drop then it will be very close.
 
Lets suppose that Wii is trailing by 4 million (high estimate)

May through December leaves 8 months to catch up, meaning they need to outsell the 360 by 500k every month on average worldwide

In Japan its 200-300k for free since 360 is negligible. That leaves 200-300k from Europe and the Americas to catch up

The 360 is being outsold slightly at the moment over here:

March NPD (259k/199k)
Feb NPD (355k/288k)
Jan NPD (436k/294k)

Using 4 million as the benchmark, the Wii will probably be close but not overtake.

However, if we use the lower estimate of 3 million (3.22 vgcharts) then it might just be possible.

It really depends which system sellers have the biggest effect.
 
I think developers need to quit complaining about their sales on a Nintendo console.

People buy the games that are great. Obviously, the games most are making for Nintendo consoles just aren't the same quality as the first-party stuff.

However, I think those games that really shine will sell just fine. I bet both Resident Evils sell pretty well on Wii.
 
Well, I cant have high expectations for RE4 on the grounds that its available on THREE different platforms (if you include PC) already.

Its a tough resell.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']Blah, blah, blah... I only want T3h 133T graphikz... Blah, blah, blah... I only want my "standard" controller cause anything new and different scares me... Blah, blah, blah... Another Wii thread I can jump into and bash the wii with... Blah, blah, blah... I love thinking that my witty remarks make me so cool and better than everyone else...[/QUOTE]

Sigh, Another day on the internet...
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Well, I cant have high expectations for RE4 on the grounds that its available on THREE different platforms (if you include PC) already.

Its a tough resell.[/quote]

Maybe I'm a bit biased, because I never bought the other versions, and only now will I be picking up the (hopefully) superior version.
 
[quote name='Rig']
People buy the games that are great[/quote]

Actually, people buy the games that are from franchises they know, or the games that have cool box art. Why else would Cars be one of the biggest selling games of 2006?
 
Cars sold well because people buy games for kids.

And to the point that the Wii would catch the 360 it's not my statement it's one Wall Street analyst's statement. It's not hard to believe though as the numbers have proven over the last few months, and the fact that there aren't more than five (if that) must-have games is obviously a non-issue.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']What year are you living in, 1992?[/quote]He was referring to more in line with Sonic and the Secret Rings, which is a really quality game. Check it out.

Oh, and feel free to not post 17 different one sentence posts back-to-back-to-back.
 
[quote name='daroga']He was referring to more in line with Sonic and the Secret Rings, which is a really quality game. Check it out.

Oh, and feel free to not post 17 different one sentence posts back-to-back-to-back.[/quote]I don't usually read most posts in a thread, so I don't usually quote multiple people in one post. And feel free to not use silly exaggerations.
 
If Nintendo does'nt sell good their going out of business soon! If they Sell great the industry will go down in flames. Should they sell or shouldn't they.
 
[quote name='Gamer G']If Nintendo does'nt sell good their going out of business soon! If they Sell great the industry will go down in flames. Should they sell or shouldn't they.[/quote]I honestly can't tell if this is a joke post or not...even if, for some crazy reason, the Wii went absolutely belly up from now on, they still make enough money with the DS to not only stay in business, but thrive for many, many moons.
 
You can't hate on Nintendo for being successful. Trader Joe's is doing the same thing in retail -- their own stores, and pushing their own manufactured products. I still shop there, and I still buy Nintendo (of course, I basically buy everything).

I see the points made in the article and in other discussion, but if other companies want that share, they're gonna have to work for it. I mean, some kick-ass 3rd party game could've come out between Wario Ware and Super Paper Mario, but none did. Thus, nobody was buying new Wii games, except new Wii owners.

Nintendo is never going to be third-party friendly. A) Their first-party stuff owns, B) There are only so many broad-audience games coming out that appeal to their demographic, and C) okay, I only thought of two things, but they're a good two. I recall how Nintendo forced Acclaim to push back Turok and MK Trilogy on the N64 so they could get GoldenEye and Killer Instinct out, which were of course their own games.
 
[quote name='ViolentLee']I see the points made in the article and in other discussion, but if other companies want that share, they're gonna have to work for it. I mean, some kick-ass 3rd party game could've come out between Wario Ware and Super Paper Mario, but none did. Thus, nobody was buying new Wii games, except new Wii owners. [/quote]And that's really what it comes down to. Instead of making crap games and crying about how Nintendo's games outsell yours on their consoles, how about you make some games worth buying? Especially with the Wii, let your imaginations go wild. Make something weird and different. Take a risk that doesn't cost much and sell it at a budget price. You might stumple upon the next Katamari or Geometry Wars.

Resident Evil 4, Ninja Gaiden, Sonic Rush, Phoenix Wright, the handheld Castlevanias are all examples of 3rd parties putting out games that are fantastic and easily on par with most of the first party offerings on a given system. It can be done, so how about doing it?
 
[quote name='daroga']And that's really what it comes down to. Instead of making crap games and crying about how Nintendo's games outsell yours on their consoles, how about you make some games worth buying? Especially with the Wii, let your imaginations go wild. Make something weird and different. Take a risk that doesn't cost much and sell it at a budget price. You might stumple upon the next Katamari or Geometry Wars.

Resident Evil 4, Ninja Gaiden, Sonic Rush, Phoenix Wright, the handheld Castlevanias are all examples of 3rd parties putting out games that are fantastic and easily on par with most of the first party offerings on a given system. It can be done, so how about doing it?[/quote]But even if a 3rd party game IS good, some consumers might think to themselves "If it's not Nintendo, I'm not buying it." Nintendo has built up such a reputation for themselves, they might have, in a way,scared off some of their consumers. In a way, Nintendo is the "name brand", and everything else comes off as generic.
 
[FONT=&quot]I think the Wii's success is a good thing. If not enough effort is put into developing games with fleshed out ideas and controls its readily apparent on the Wii meaning it probably won’t make money which forces 3rd party developers to produce original games rather than more shovel-ware. [/FONT]
 
Dominant marketshare should override any 1st party buying bias if it exists. Furthermore, expansion of the market would also help defeat it, since these newbies dont have the history to know about such a thing.

That whole theory assumes that the consumer base is educated. (Is ANY consumer base educated?)
 
Don't forget that a developer doesn't have to take advantage of the Wii's wiimote. They can simply opt for the classic controller, or have the wiimote held sideways and play like that (Look at Paper Mario, It's tacked on pretty well). I think It's a good thing if Nintendo takes first place because they have the lowest development costs and the Wii is damn attractive, and of course Nintendo hasn't won the war since the SNES area. IMHO the only huge downside of Nintendo winning is people actually buying third party games. Nintendo 64 and Gamecube did pretty bad when it came to third party sales,with a few exceptions like Tales of Symphonia and Soul Calibur 2 (causeof link).

Oh and I wouldn't worry about the PS4 and XBox 3 to focus on gommicks/other control schemes, there will always be graphic whores abound (such as myself, although after getting a Wii that has been not the case lately) and both XBox's were graphic powerhouses so I doubt Microsoft would lower their standards.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']But even if a 3rd party game IS good, some consumers might think to themselves "If it's not Nintendo, I'm not buying it." Nintendo has built up such a reputation for themselves, they might have, in a way,scared off some of their consumers. In a way, Nintendo is the "name brand", and everything else comes off as generic.[/quote]I don't know too many people that think like that at all, even some of my friends who are pretty exclusive Nintendo gamers. If there's a 3rd party game worth playing, they'll pick it up and play. The issue is, there's too much crap on systems.

So, the informed consumer are the ones spurnning the medicore games from third parties and opting for Nintendo's top-tier games. That's not just because it's a Nintendo game but because they've read up and they know that this particular 3rd party game sucks. When you've only got $50 to spend, why would you go for the crappier game? That's why 3rd parties need to not whine about how Ninbtendo games rob their sales, but games more deserving of that $50 than Nintendo's offerings.

The uninformed don't care one way or another, and are the ones, as you point out, that buy many copies of Cars as you pointed out. So, I'm not sure which group of people views Nintendo-made games as name brand and the rest as generic. There might be something to that in something as iconic as Mario, but I bet you place Pikmin vs. a 3rd party game that the uninformed aren't going to scour the back of the box looking to see who developed this game.
 
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