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Bush vetoes embryonic stem-cell bill


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush used his veto power Wednesday for the first time since taking office 5 1/2 years ago, saying that an embryonic stem-cell research bill "crossed a moral boundary."

The bill, which the Senate passed Tuesday, 63-37, would have loosened the restrictions on federal funding for stem-cell research.

House Republican leaders tried Thursday evening to override the veto, but that vote was 235 to 193, short of the necessary two-thirds majority.

"This bill would support the taking of innocent human life in the hope of finding medical benefits for others," Bush said Wednesday afternoon. "It crosses a moral boundary that our decent society needs to respect. So I vetoed it."

Attending the White House event were a group of families with children who were born from "adopted" frozen embryos that had been left unused at fertility clinics.

"These boys and girls are not spare parts," he said of the children in the audience. "They remind us of what is lost when embryos are destroyed in the name of research. They remind us that we all begin our lives as a small collection of cells."

The measure, which the House of Representatives passed in May 2005, allows couples who have had embryos frozen for fertility treatments to donate them to researchers rather than let them be destroyed.

Bush said, "If this bill were to become law, American taxpayers would, for the first time in our history, be compelled to fund the deliberate destruction of human embryos, and I'm not going to allow it."

In August 2001, Bush announced that his administration would allow federal funding only for research on about 60 stem-cell lines that existed at the time. Researchers have since found that many of those lines are contaminated and unusable for research.

Scientists say stem cells could be a renewable source of replacement cells and tissues to treat Parkinson's and Alzheimer's diseases, spinal cord injuries, diabetes, strokes, burns and more.

The issue has split the Republican Party, with Bush siding with the Catholic Church and social conservatives against the GOP's more moderate voices. (Watch how the issue pits Bush against some Republicans -- 1:30)

The Senate bill's principal sponsor, Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania, who recently survived a brush with cancer, was joined by Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tennessee, a physician who argued that Bush's policy is too restrictive.

"I am pro-life, but I disagree with the president's decision to veto the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act," Frist said in a statement. "Given the potential of this research and the limitations of the existing lines eligible for federally funded research, I think additional lines should be made available."

Also in a statement, Lawrence T. Smith, chairman of the American Diabetes Association, called the veto "a devastating setback for the 20.8 million American children and adults with diabetes -- and those who love and care for them."

Opponents argue that other alternatives, such as adult stem cells, are available. Two companion bills -- one to promote alternative means of developing stem-cell lines from sources such as placental blood and another to ban the commercial production of human fetal tissue, also known as "fetal farming" -- passed the Senate in 100-0 votes.

On Tuesday evening, the House approved the "fetal farming" bill 425-0 but didn't pass the measure promoting alternative stem-cell sources when backers failed to achieve the two-thirds majority that House rules required. The vote on the alternative-sources bill was 273-154.

Bush signed the "fetal farming" legislation and urged Congress to fund alternative research.

"I'm disappointed that the House failed to authorize funding for this vital and ethical research," he said. "It makes no sense to say that you're in favor of finding cures for terrible diseases as quickly as possible and then block a bill that would authorize funding for promising and ethical stem-cell research."

A House GOP aide said that the leadership would bring the funding bill back to the floor at another time under a different set of rules that would require a simple majority to pass the measure.




I really hope one day he himself needs the aid of a cure created by stem cells and its not ready yet because he set back the research back probably at least 8 years.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']I really hope one day he himself needs the aid of a cure created by stem cells and its not ready yet because he set back the research back probably at least 8 years.[/quote]

Come now, he's rich. He'll fly somewhere that's further along with stem cell research and get treatment there. It's good to be the king.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Those bastard liberals! How dare they use trash for scientific research![/QUOTE]

That's not trash, that's a maybe baby!
 
I think using non-feeling, undeveloped embryos for research for potentially life saving procedures or medications is more humane than using animals.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']That's not trash, that's a maybe baby![/quote]

Haha, I might see their point if there were abortions specifically for stem cell research or something, but they just use what will be thrown away anyway and there's a problem with that? It really doesn't make any sense to me.
 
At least he stuck to his guns, I guess. The 63% majority is aaaallllllmost enough to overrule him. And that's never a good sign.

Too bad he did the wrong thing for our country and future.
 
[quote name='SpazX']Haha, I might see their point if there were abortions specifically for stem cell research or something, but they just use what will be thrown away anyway and there's a problem with that? It really doesn't make any sense to me.[/QUOTE]

You and I know that but you know how Bush is guided by his talks with god and all...
 
[quote name='Metal Boss']I think using non-feeling, undeveloped embryos for research for potentially life saving procedures or medications is more humane than using animals.[/quote]

A-fuk'n-men... you said it.
 
[quote name='PINKO']GW opnion will chang when his daddy gets elzhimmers[/QUOTE]

Michael Reagan's opinion didn't change when his dad was diagnosed.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Michael Reagan's opinion didn't change when his dad was diagnosed.[/QUOTE]

Don't get me started on that cum recepticle.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Don't get me started on that cum recepticle.[/QUOTE]

Don't worry I share your opinion. The guy really says some crummy things about his family and that's just pathetic. I don't care where you stand politically but family is family.
 
What kinda makes me wonder about the whole "Pro Life" aspect of stem cells is this. You'd be giving up a few microscopic embroys because it "Destroys Life". Yet it has no problems in letting millions suffer a painful and agonizing death. Where's the pro life in that stance I wonder.


Also.
That Bullshit he pulled with having all those kids around when he did so some complete punk shit. What a bitch move.
 
[quote name='SpeedyG']
That Bullshit he pulled with having all those kids around when he did so some complete punk shit. What a bitch move.[/QUOTE]


the daily show brought up a good point, without them being able to do experiments on embryos in the past, those childen who were from frozen embryos would have never been born
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']the daily show brought up a good point, without them being able to do experiments on embryos in the past, those childen who were from frozen embryos would have never been born[/QUOTE]
Ahh interesting argument, can't make an omelet without breakin' a few eggs...
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Don't worry I share your opinion. The guy really says some crummy things about his family and that's just pathetic. I don't care where you stand politically but family is family.[/quote]

I suppose you think that the way Cheney's daughter stands up for her father's bigotry is just bully.
 
[quote name='camoor']I suppose you think that the way Cheney's daughter stands up for her father's bigotry is just bully.[/QUOTE]

Well I'd need to know a little more specifically what you are referring to. I know his daughter is a lesbian and that he supports her but aside from that I wouldn't know what you are talking about.
 
Not too hard to find out,

In 2004, public attention refocused on Mary's sexuality when the Bush administration supported the Federal Marriage Amendment, a proposed amendment to the United States Constitution that would limit marriage to heterosexual couples and also ban civil unions and domestic partnership benefits. Mary Cheney has never publicly expressed her opinion of the amendment. Vice President Cheney, when asked during a campaign appearance about same-sex marriage, reiterated the position he took in the 2000 campaign, that the issue should be handled by the states. He added, though, that President Bush determined his administration's policies and his policy supported the Federal Marriage Amendment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Cheney

Being that she has actively campaigned for her father, it's all just BS politics as usual.
 
[quote name='camoor']

Being that she has actively campaigned for her father, it's all just BS politics as usual.[/QUOTE]

Like he said, 'family is family.'
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Like he said, 'family is family.'[/quote]

Personally, I think that is a BS cop-out. "Honor thy father and mother" - what if your dad is Osama Bin Laden?
 
[quote name='camoor']Personally, I think that is a BS cop-out. "Honor thy father and mother" - what if your dad is Osama Bin Laden?[/QUOTE]

Where are you going with this? It seems like you're just looking for an argument without any real points to make.
 
I think using non-feeling, undeveloped embryos for research for potentially life saving procedures or medications is more humane than using animals.

can't make an omelet without breakin' a few eggs...

yep.

Bush officially made himself an "enemy of progress" to use his own words.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Where are you going with this? It seems like you're just looking for an argument without any real points to make.[/QUOTE]

QFT.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Where are you going with this? It seems like you're just looking for an argument without any real points to make.[/quote]

Let me break it down for you, RvB

My Assertion: "family is family" is a BS statement.
 
[quote name='camoor']Let me break it down for you, RvB

My Assertion: "family is family" is a BS statement.[/QUOTE]
And yet, your example seems to prove my point rather than work against it. My point was that politics should not cause a rift between family members despite a disagreement they may have about it. Michael Reagan has let the politics of stem cell research (among other things) to get in the way of his relationship with his surviving family members, which is sad. The Cheney's despite being split on certain political opinions haven't let it cause a rift within their family.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Actually, they're slated to be destroyed. So they are trash.[/QUOTE]
I realize that, I was being sarcastic.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']And yet, your example seems to prove my point rather than work against it. My point was that politics should not cause a rift between family members despite a disagreement they may have about it. Michael Reagan has let the politics of stem cell research (among other things) to get in the way of his relationship with his surviving family members, which is sad. The Cheney's despite being split on certain political opinions haven't let it cause a rift within their family.[/quote]

I look at morality as more then just avoiding "sad" situations.

I couldn't care less if my Grandma is pro-life and if she estranges me because I disagree - I take my own position on the matter and I'm not going to avoid protesting pro-lifers because it's "sad" that my grandma doesn't agree.
 
[quote name='camoor']I look at morality as more then just avoiding "sad" situations.

I couldn't care less if my Grandma is pro-life and if she estranges me because I disagree - I take my own position on the matter and I'm not going to avoid protesting pro-lifers because it's "sad" that my grandma doesn't agree.[/QUOTE]

It's one thing to disagree with family. It's another to be a total assbag to them.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']It's one thing to disagree with family. It's another to be a total assbag to them.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. And comparing political agreements to Osama Bin Laden is ridiculous. To answer your question from before Camoor "what if Osama Bin Laden was my father?", I would hate him because he's a mass murderer not because I disagree with his politics.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']"what if Osama Bin Laden was my father?", [/QUOTE]

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I bet daddy just loves those midriffs.
 
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