Another EB Game victim - My ordeal.

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The story/rant: T_T

My sister had recently just purchased a new copy of Persona 4 at the local EB games store for $59.99. Little did she know what she got herself (and me) into.

I wasn’t there when she bought the game, but she came home and told me afterwards. After bringing up the display empty box to the counter, the female clerk rang up her order whilst making small talks on the game. She then mentioned “You can trade the game in for a re-sealable copy if you find scratches or it’s defective.” And my sister replied something along the lines of : “Neat, thanks.” As soon as she left the store, she noticed that apparently, she had just been charged $3.00 more for a “customer guarantie”. Immediately, she headed back and asked them to take it off. But lo and behold, the once friendly counter girl had transformed into a cold and uncaring bitch. Without even looking up, she shook her head and replied, “No. No refunds allowed.” Her co-worker mimicked her actions. And the two then promptly proceeded to ignore my sister’s presence for a good minute. Not wanting to raise waves, my sis left.

That would have been the end of that…. had we not discovered it was a gutted copy and that the game disc was noticeably scratched in more than one spot. Crappy attitude from the store workers? Fine. Charging for extra options and refusing refunds to an uninformed customer? Not fine, but whatever. I suppose my sis should have asked for clarification. But it is terribly wrong to charge full price for a non-new copy. I admit, red flags should have popped up the moment my sis noticed the girl pulling out those discs from behind the counter. But this was only the second time we’ve ever bought from EB. (The first time, we had gotten a factory sealed copy and the counter guy could not have been any sweeter and customer-friendly). Who would’ve guessed they had such a warped definition of the word “new”?

This was when I went online and discovered the myriad of horror tales concerning EB, along with the even more shocking “check out” policy of theirs.

Two days later, me and my sister headed back and showed the manager the defects. “Oh, those are clearly not scratches.”, the manager replied. EXCUUUSE ME?!?! “They’re burn marks… from when the factory makes the discs. You can tell the difference if you compare it to an old/used game. You see, they use a poly-fiber(-something-or-other-)coating….” He lost me there; bottom line: he refused to admit those were scratches. I then questioned him about the company “check-out” policy. To which he adamantly denied and then dove into a speech that there’s no such thing, that he would not tolerate it if there was, that I should tell him the locations of other EB stores that does it so he could talk to them himself, ect.... Not wanting to argue, we asked to exchange the game for store credit, since he said the store ran out of the sealed copies (I had originally planned on a refund). Alas, we received the infamous speech on how ours was an opened game and therefore not qualified for a refund. But he allowed us to look through the other display copies to find one that was in better condition. So we returned home with a non new copy of the game, a damaged/marked case, an hour wasted, a headache, and the lesson of never purchasing from that EB store ever, EVER again – All for the price of $59.99.

This was an absolutely ridiculous, unbelievable experience. We paid honest money, expecting an honest product from an HONEST business. I think the least they could have done was let us exchange for credit since the first one was clearly not in a condition any sane person would call “new”. (No, I don’t want another crappy opened copy. The first one was enough proof that your “new” = SUSPICIOUSLY USED.)

This has me burned up. Why the heck am I walking into a store, shelling out good money for a messed up product just so I end up being deceived and feeling victimized? How many unaware customers have they pulled this kind of shit on? WHAT KIND OF A CROOKED BUSINESS ARE THEY RUNNING HERE??!

Questions:

1. The whole “burn mark” thing on discs. Is that true? o_O Or have I just been duped by another one of their lies? All my NEW games never had any imperfections though.... And these looked like scratches to me. I would boil with anger if the manager had outright lied to my face. >=(

2. Is there anything I can do to remedy the situation? I read about people calling corporate, district managers, etc… what is that and does it help?

Please and thank you!
 
[quote name='FA0']The story/rant: T_T

My sister had recently just purchased a new copy of Persona 4 at the local EB games store for $59.99. [/quote]

I'd be more pissed that they charged me $59.99 for Persona 4, a $39.99 msrp game, unless that was a typo.
 
Persona 4/$59.99?
Shopping at GameStop without thoroughly inspecting game before giving payment?
Leaving the spot directly in front of the counter without looking at your receipt?

Uninformed customer, understand the company is out to rape you in any way possible, and it is the most demotivational job of all time, so the employees have no reason to give a rats ass about you.

My advice? Knock over the magazine rack and throw glitter at em.

Oh, and GameStop employees are practically paid to lie to your face. I am often told by friends who work there how they take gutted games home, play them, then get to sell em as new in store. Yes, guess what, they lied to you.
 
I'm guessing that you're from Canada, otherwise why in the heck are they charging you $59.99 for Persona 4? I'd be more pissed off at that then the other (admittedly shady) things.
 
wow, thats just beyond belief. My only suggestion to you is not deal with GS/EB anymroe their not worth it. If you really want a game that bad, buy it online and pay for the overnight shipping. It still beats their service.
 
I'd go fuck them bitches behind the counter.

That'd be worth way more than $60 bucks, and thats being generous as most females who work in video game stores aren't that pretty.
 
It doesnt matter if the company is out to rape you, that is illegal business procedure. Call corporate and your town chamber of commerce. They report complaints of the store to corporate, a complaint here and there does add up.

An correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Gamestop currently being sued for their customer practices, class action style?
 
I would definitely call corporate and explain your situation. That is totally unacceptable business practices and they should be called on it.
 
The 'burn marks' bit is a lie. Yes, some games do have odd marks from the manfacturing process, but they look more like pools of antifreeze under cars- sort of a puddle-shaped discoloration of the disc, that only rarely affects play.

The simple truth is, they either weren't very careful with your gutted copy, or someone took it home and played it. They just don't want you to know that.

Go to another local GS, see if they'll get you a better copy/refund... and ask them for the District manager's number. Call and complain to them directly- try and get the names of the manager/employees involved, if you can. This on top of other's suggestions (tellgamestop.com, BBB, etc.)

And the final lesson- never EVER buy new from GS. Your local walmart probably has it and will give you a sealed copy and less hassle. If you're lucky and have a Game Crazy nearby, try there- most GCs don't open new games.
 
If you don't get results, consider reporting this to the consumerist (www.consumerist.com) or you can even go to the consumerist forums to post your story there. Gamestop does take returns, so anything about no refunds is a lie. If this was me I would be most pissed about them adding an extra warranty onto the sale, which is clearly done to boost their numbers and sales for the day, and is also an illegal practice. Whatever you do, don't lie down and just take it.

The burn marks are a lie as well, however the water looking spot that someone else described above is true, and you will see this on many discs, its nothing to worry about.

You could also call your state attorney general (assuming you live in the USA) and the BBB. Companies usually like to resolve complaints posted on the BBB for obvious reasons.
 
First off, I must say OWWWW to the bright white color of your post, OP. However, what you received was no less than a total fucking at that Gamestop store(though I also assume you must be in Canada, since you called it EB and they've converted most EB Games stores here to GS, complete with signage, by now).

Second, I'd just go to another GS store in the same area and exchange that copy for a sealed one. As for the extra warranty they added without your sister knowing about it, that's why you check receipts before leaving the store.

As to why they wouldn't remove it and refund the $3 I don't know, though I do know that it inflates that salespersons numbers, though adding it without someone explicitly telling them to is just plain wrong.

I'd call Gamestop corporate and let them know about the type of customer service she received at that store and that you'll never be shopping there again and you'll be telling everyone you know not to shop there as well. See if that doesn't get some sort of results.
 
[quote name='irishsoccermbw']Call corporate, that is seriously fuck ed
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This is why I recommend time & time again that sticking to bigger stores such as amazon & BB.
 
On the return trip, you should've started arguing. Drop a few light swears, ask for phone numbers, refer to him by the name on his nametag constantly, ask for his last name, etc. Trust me, he almost definitely would've bent over backwards to shut you up.
 
[quote name='TheSaint11']This is why I recommend time & time again that sticking to bigger stores such as amazon & BB.[/quote]

The only problem with Best Buy being that their prices on games are never really as cheap as some of them can be at Gamestop. That's about the ONLY reason to shop at GS, is because their prices can be WAYYYY cheaper than most other places. The only time this ISN'T true is when it's a rare game you're looking for, in which case then the company GOUGES on price and prices it closer to Ebay value.
 
[quote name='FA0']“You can trade the game in for a re-sealable copy if you find scratches or it’s defective.”[/quote]

You paid for a scratch replacement guarantee and you're taking them up on it. If the employee is telling you "this isn't really a scratch so we can't replace it", what does every iota of your gut tell you to do next?

I'm not even going to bother saying it, because you already know the answer.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']The only problem with Best Buy being that their prices on games are never really as cheap as some of them can be at Gamestop. That's about the ONLY reason to shop at GS, is because their prices can be WAYYYY cheaper than most other places. The only time this ISN'T true is when it's a rare game you're looking for, in which case then the company GOUGES on price and prices it closer to Ebay value.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, GS actually price drops and lowers the prices on certain games, unless they are on clearance at BB or Toys R Us, those stores aren't really worth shopping at for games as they often keep games at MSRP for longer than Gamestop. I have seen cases where games were 50$ at BB and then routinely 10$ on ebay. I have seen Toys R Us mark up the prices of certain games over the years, namely Pokemon games.

If your looking for stores that put the price drops into effect I would go with Target, Sears or Kmart as those stores around me seem to get price drops in place before any others. Walmart is another culprit of leaving the games at MSRP, at least here. So if GS has the lower price (sometimes the price will be A LOT lower), then its worth shopping there, just be careful about what you buy and know the prices for the specific game you are looking for.
 
[quote name='Nam']wow, thats just beyond belief. My only suggestion to you is not deal with GS/EB anymroe their not worth it. If you really want a game that bad, buy it online and pay for the overnight shipping. It still beats their service.[/quote]

Way to exaggerate? You'd rather pay $10 to have someone ship a game over night? Yeah, that makes sense.
 
I've actually heard of factories scratching game discs so maybe that's what he meant by 'burn marks.' Though I don't know how deep they are or how they look like. Anyway that's pretty fucked up with their attitude and all. I'd call corporate and file a complaint against the employees and the manager there. Hopefully you got their names down.
 
That's downright awful. First off, like everyone said, the MSRP is $39.99 for that game. Secondly, what the manager and associates did and did not do was wrong in every way possible. Contact corporate and file a complaint. Yes, this does work. Why? While filing the complaint, inform them that you will be filing a complaint with the BBB (Better Business Bureau) as well. Don't just say it, do it. Filing with the BBB is like giving them a black eye. The BBB takes this information very seriously and will inspect and CLOSE stores/companies that are not in compliance. That kind of complaint will tighten some assholes at GS corporate pronto.
 
[quote name='Pck21']Filing with the BBB is like giving them a black eye. The BBB takes this information very seriously and will inspect and CLOSE stores/companies that are not in compliance. That kind of complaint will tighten some assholes at GS corporate pronto.[/quote]

The BBB can't close a store.
 
The BBB is a joke anyway, it does nothing.

I haven't bought a game in store from EB or GS since the merger. Horrible service, used games as new, bad service.
 
I have my own nightmare stories about Gamestop/EB. Thats why I try and stay away whenever possible. Worst brick and mortar retailer for a reason.
 
I don't know if all GS/EB stores do this, but mine will shrinkwrap gutted titles.

I know because that store was the only one out of four in the area (Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy being the other three) with copies of House of the Dead: Overkill and Valkyria Chronicles, both of which were only available in gutted form. I caved and purchased because I didn't feel like driving all over the city.

The girl who rang me up was totally cool about it, though. She let me inspect both discs, told me I could get a full refund if the games were shrink-wrapped or exchange if they were open but defective.

I'm happy to report both games work perfectly and are a ton of fun.

As for complaining, corporate is a good place to start. I'd also drop a line to Consumerist.com and, while you're there, read up on how to deploy an EECB, in case you have to.
 
That's pretty shitty, tricking your sister into getting a GPG. It's nice if you're reckless and your shit gets scratched, but for a new game that was already fucked up? Go to tellgamestop.com and explain your ordeal, or get the number to the DM.
 
[quote name='Pookymeister']The BBB can't close a store.[/quote]

[quote name='YoshiFan1']The BBB is a joke anyway, it does nothing.[/quote]

Exactly. The BBB is a non-governmental organization. They have no authority.
 
Find out which car is the manager's, and throw a brick through the windshield. His insurance premiums will surprise him in much the way he and his employees surprised you.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Find out which car is the manager's, and throw a brick through the windshield.[/quote]

Not just any old B&M brick.

Behold, the magical majesty of...


...wait for it...



The Glitter Brick!

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I used to like EB before GS bought em, did a lot of business online, they didnt charge tax and often had free shipping. Been a long time ago...
 
[quote name='georox']I am often told by friends who work there how they take gutted games home, play them, then get to sell em as new in store.[/quote]
Yeah, this happens. The store my girlfriend works for recently changed their policy, too. Rather than just taking home the disc, employees are now supposed to take home the entire game. But I can't complain, I've been able to keep up with new games for free. :D I am a cheap ass gamer, after all...

But really, why go to a Gamestop for a new game when you can get it new and with less hassle at Best Buy, Walmart, anywhere else.
 
Well one of the first things is you gotta understand how they work. I wouldnt suggest not going there ever again because they can have some good deals, but just knowing how to use that to your advantage. For example, if I purchase a game for full price at EB/GS I always ask if they have it new and sealed. As soon as the guy leaves the counter to grab the box off the shelf I just say "no thanks Ill wait" cause if they dont have it sealed behind the counter its "open box" new which is basicly wothless. And like everyone else, ive had some horror stories like them saying they would reserve the PS3 MGS bundle for me and took my money just to try and give me just the game (knew it sounded fishy so i pre ordered at toys next door) and walking out of the store with wrong discs or worse no discs. Not saying to trust them, just be very cautious when purchasing stuff and protecting yourself as much as possible.
 
I'm not so sure on new games, but for used games, try returning it at another store. They're a chain so returning to any GS store is perfectly fine. And if the game was defective in any way, you have 30 days to return the game for an identical item, hence a new P4. (Used games come with a 7 day "grace" period...)

Really though, your story reminded me of when I went into a Gamestop to buy Harvey Birdman new for PS2, because I'm a fanboy of the show, and the clerks attempted to sell me a "new" copy as a "disc only" in a GS printed case. I backed away and said no thanks and the clerk gave me a bewildered look as if I had sincerely offended him; I got the game cheaper on Amazon, ultimately.
 
A word of warning on the "grace period." They do allow you to return a used game you don't like within seven days but they will bitch and moan about it incessantly then act like they're doing you a favor by accepting the return.

I think it hurts the employee who does it, which I feel bad about, but not bad enough to keep a game I don't like.
 
[quote name='Caliburn']
Really though, your story reminded me of when I went into a Gamestop to buy Harvey Birdman new for PS2, because I'm a fanboy of the show, and the clerks attempted to sell me a "new" copy as a "disc only" in a GS printed case. I backed away and said no thanks and the clerk gave me a bewildered look as if I had sincerely offended him; I got the game cheaper on Amazon, ultimately.[/quote]

Now that shit really irks me. What the hell did they do to their cover art? I've been into multiple Gamestop stores that have had "new" games out on the floor, but missing the cover art and instruction booklets. How in the hell is that "NEW?" I can live with gutted games. I hate buying games like that, but if I have no other choice I will. But new games that are disc only? That is not new and never will be.

I have had a lot of helpful employees though. At some stores around me the employees are usually cool and warn me that all they have left is a gutted game before they actually sell it to me. They also check the condition of the discs when I'm buying used games as well. Some of the gamestops have gone as far as saying "You don't want this game" due to the disc being a mess and most likely unplayable.
 
Speaking as a GS employee who got shafted by another Gamestop in the area (long story made short, drove 40 minutes to pick up an arcade stick only to be told they didn't have it) this is what you do:

1) Look up the store # on the receipt, go to tellgamestop.com, leave negative feedback.
2) If they're still refusing to return your game (don't know if you've tried again since), demand their District Manager or Regional Director's phone number or e-mail address (e-mail is just as good, because they've got blackberries and respond pretty quickly). If they refuse, call another store in the area and ask them for the e-mail address.
3) Call/e-mail them and politely explain what happened, that you're very upset both by the treatment you received from the GA and the manager, and that you will file a complaint with the BBB if this isn't resolved.
4) Also inform the DM/RD that not only were you were sold the GPG (the $3 additional charge) without being informed, but the game you purchased as new was scratched--inform him you know about Gamestop's employee rental policy (which includes the rental of new games), and ask him to revoke the store's rental policy.

If the game was scratched by an employee checking it out, they'll most likely end up paying for it. Also, though I doubt you are, if you're in the SF Bay Area/East Bay area, PM me and drop by my store. I'll return it no problem.
 
[quote name='DarkRider23']Now that shit really irks me. What the hell did they do to their cover art? I've been into multiple Gamestop stores that have had "new" games out on the floor, but missing the cover art and instruction booklets. How in the hell is that "NEW?" I can live with gutted games. I hate buying games like that, but if I have no other choice I will. But new games that are disc only? That is not new and never will be.[/QUOTE]

I have seen that a my local Gamestop as well. Some basketball game on PS2 a few years ago. It was said to be new, disc only in a generic case. They were offering 10% off the $29.99 price. If anything it should have been 50% off, not that it would have been a good price even at 75% off.
 
I seriously don't remember the last time I bought something at GS/EB. I've always hated the way they would sell an opened game, shrink wrap it, and call it "new". Being a true CAG, I just buy my games on Amazon DOTD or Target clearances. I'd rather clean my bathroom than step into a GS/EB any day!!!
 
Gamestop is a freakin' joke. I stopped in there one day like two years ago looking for Gamecube games and there was a real nerdy employee saying "frick" about 50 times in a row right in front of customers. He just stood there yelling "frick, frick, frick, frick, frick....just like a little kid. He had to be my age (24 now, 22 at the time) We couldn't stop laughing for like an hour. I seriously felt embarrassed for the idiot. I guess you had to be there to understand how hilarious it was. Creepy weirdo :lol:
 
What is this $3 guarantee? Is it one of those insurance? GS here in SoCal never offer that service.

And yeah, you should be able to return the game for cash actually since it's "brand new" even though it's opened. And the stores here in Socal always put the round stickers on the gutted copy or shrinkwrap it if you ask.
 
It's reasons like this while I'll never shop at EB. I know my games and what I want, so it's not like I need exceptional customer service. But EB is the epitome of anti-service.

In fact, I often go in with friends who want to look and proclaim how ridiculously priced their used games are and how their game gutting policy is pure and utter garbage right in front of their employees. Does it accomplish anything? No. But it sure is fun :).
 
That really sucks for you man. I swear i really have good luck with my gamestop though. They are all usually extremly nice and show me the disks before I buy them. They don't even care when i come back not too long later and return it if i don't like it. I can say i've never heard of burn marks and i think that he is f'in with you.
 
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