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I blame Halo 3, right Jack?
This was a 14 year old boy. Not much is available as this just happened just recently.
Another School Shooting - Cleveland
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I blame Halo 3, right Jack?
This was a 14 year old boy. Not much is available as this just happened just recently.
"The school's security guard was on vacation, WKYC reported, and two other full time security guards had been laid off in recent years. "
Not that it would have done anything but it's still not good to hear there were no security guards. Why was he on vacation, especially in the 2nd month of school when they get all those days off to begin with?
Not that it would have done anything but it's still not good to hear there were no security guards. Why was he on vacation, especially in the 2nd month of school when they get all those days off to begin with?
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A better question is when a kid makes a threat like that why isn't his ass in a juvenile detention center?
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http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/AdvGeoSearchByListServlet?_command=moreResults&_programYear=50&_geoAreaType=140&_treeId=420&_disp_order=1007&_currentGeoAreaType=140&_geoIdsHierarchy=65672301|65721530|50|Y&_placename=14000US39035107200&_geoBucketId=50&_category=quickTables&_subcategory=Census%202000%20Summary%20File%204%20%28SF%204%29%20-%20Sample%20Data&_lang=en
53.4% of people in the neighborhood live below the poverty level. I think that this is a far more interesting bit of data to consider than you may believe.
Additionally, the school (SuccessTech) is a "nontraditional" school, meaning it's likely a GED and Voc/Tech school for dropouts and those expelled from everywhere else. Take that for what it's worth.
53.4% of people in the neighborhood live below the poverty level. I think that this is a far more interesting bit of data to consider than you may believe.
Additionally, the school (SuccessTech) is a "nontraditional" school, meaning it's likely a GED and Voc/Tech school for dropouts and those expelled from everywhere else. Take that for what it's worth.
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So I read most of the article, I'm thinking "geez, who gives a f*ck what kind of t-shirt the kid was wearing!"
Honestly, I want to know who this kid's parents were?
Who his friends or acquaintances were? Was he involved in any extra-curricular activities?
Was he on medication? Was he in those "special" classes? His attendance and scholastic record?
When he made the threat, why was it taken lightly? Why did Micheal Peek punch him in the face? for bumping into him? WTF!
C'MON! FULL RECTAL CAVITY EXAM!!!!! Get'on in their FoxNews!!!!!!
Honestly, I want to know who this kid's parents were?
Who his friends or acquaintances were? Was he involved in any extra-curricular activities?
Was he on medication? Was he in those "special" classes? His attendance and scholastic record?
When he made the threat, why was it taken lightly? Why did Micheal Peek punch him in the face? for bumping into him? WTF!
C'MON! FULL RECTAL CAVITY EXAM!!!!! Get'on in their FoxNews!!!!!!
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[quote name='mykevermin']http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/AdvGeoSearchByListServlet?_command=moreResults&_programYear=50&_geoAreaType=140&_treeId=420&_disp_order=1007&_currentGeoAreaType=140&_geoIdsHierarchy=65672301|65721530|50|Y&_placename=14000US39035107200&_geoBucketId=50&_category=quickTables&_subcategory=Census%202000%20Summary%20File%204%20%28SF%204%29%20-%20Sample%20Data&_lang=en
53.4% of people in the neighborhood live below the poverty level. I think that this is a far more interesting bit of data to consider than you may believe.
Additionally, the school (SuccessTech) is a "nontraditional" school, meaning it's likely a GED and Voc/Tech school for dropouts and those expelled from everywhere else. Take that for what it's worth.[/quote]I grew up in a neighborhood well below the poverty line, and nobody in the neighborhood, including myself, ever shot up a school. I am so tired of this bullshit "well, they are poor, so what do you expect" garbage.
53.4% of people in the neighborhood live below the poverty level. I think that this is a far more interesting bit of data to consider than you may believe.
Additionally, the school (SuccessTech) is a "nontraditional" school, meaning it's likely a GED and Voc/Tech school for dropouts and those expelled from everywhere else. Take that for what it's worth.[/quote]I grew up in a neighborhood well below the poverty line, and nobody in the neighborhood, including myself, ever shot up a school. I am so tired of this bullshit "well, they are poor, so what do you expect" garbage.
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He threatened to kill everyone in the school on Friday. He was allowed in the school on Moday, got into a fight and was suspended. Came back today and shot at everyone. So much for being a smarter school, their graduation rate is 94% and in the area it's normally 55%. I have heard some of the kids talk, I feel like I'm listening to rap and not English.
Plus when this happened kids went running everywhere, aren't you supposed to lock the doors and hide?
And having a security guard is pointless. There was a school shooting somewhere with metal detectors. There is a very easy way around having to go through them, you kill the security guard using them. This happened last year I think, just killed the cop to get in the school.
Plus when this happened kids went running everywhere, aren't you supposed to lock the doors and hide?
And having a security guard is pointless. There was a school shooting somewhere with metal detectors. There is a very easy way around having to go through them, you kill the security guard using them. This happened last year I think, just killed the cop to get in the school.
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[quote name='VanillaGorilla']I grew up in a neighborhood well below the poverty line, and nobody in the neighborhood, including myself, ever shot up a school. I am so tired of this bullshit "well, they are poor, so what do you expect" garbage.[/QUOTE]
How about I PM you the next time I want you to put words in my mouth?
How about I PM you the next time I want you to put words in my mouth?
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[quote name='mykevermin']http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/AdvGeoSearchByListServlet?_command=moreResults&_programYear=50&_geoAreaType=140&_treeId=420&_disp_order=1007&_currentGeoAreaType=140&_geoIdsHierarchy=65672301|65721530|50|Y&_placename=14000US39035107200&_geoBucketId=50&_category=quickTables&_subcategory=Census%202000%20Summary%20File%204%20%28SF%204%29%20-%20Sample%20Data&_lang=en
53.4% of people in the neighborhood live below the poverty level. I think that this is a far more interesting bit of data to consider than you may believe.
Additionally, the school (SuccessTech) is a "nontraditional" school, meaning it's likely a GED and Voc/Tech school for dropouts and those expelled from everywhere else. Take that for what it's worth.[/quote]
k
Can you elaborate on what you're trying to point out with that statistic? I'm confused.
I almost jumped to the same conclusion as VanillaGorilla. It really does sound like you're trying correlate school violence w/ poverty.
53.4% of people in the neighborhood live below the poverty level. I think that this is a far more interesting bit of data to consider than you may believe.
Additionally, the school (SuccessTech) is a "nontraditional" school, meaning it's likely a GED and Voc/Tech school for dropouts and those expelled from everywhere else. Take that for what it's worth.[/quote]
k Can you elaborate on what you're trying to point out with that statistic? I'm confused.
I almost jumped to the same conclusion as VanillaGorilla. It really does sound like you're trying correlate school violence w/ poverty.
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[quote name='mykevermin']How about I PM you the next time I want you to put words in my mouth?[/quote]Then what were you getting at with this comment.
"53.4% of people in the neighborhood live below the poverty level. I think that this is a far more interesting bit of data to consider than you may believe."
A normal person (not a Professor of Murder like yourself, but a normal person) would come to the conclusion that, by posting that, you're implying that the poverty level of the neighborhood has SOMETHING to do with this shooting. Or, maybe you just posted it because you LOVE all those statistics and looking up things?
Please Professor, enlighten us with what you were getting at. And please, be as simple as possible, we all can't be Internet Intellectuals like you.
"53.4% of people in the neighborhood live below the poverty level. I think that this is a far more interesting bit of data to consider than you may believe."
A normal person (not a Professor of Murder like yourself, but a normal person) would come to the conclusion that, by posting that, you're implying that the poverty level of the neighborhood has SOMETHING to do with this shooting. Or, maybe you just posted it because you LOVE all those statistics and looking up things?
Please Professor, enlighten us with what you were getting at. And please, be as simple as possible, we all can't be Internet Intellectuals like you.
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Well, do rich cities/ neighborhoods have high murder rates?
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I dont think Myke was implying that this kid shot up his school because he was poor. He was just explaining why he used a gun rather than a more expensive bomb or chemical weapon. Seriously though what is the conclusion you're trying to reach? That it may have been "business" related (i.e. a drug deal gone bad) because it is more likely a high crime area?
School shootings have been happening since the history of schools, and more often than not it seems to be related to teenage angst or mental issues (depressed over getting dumped, pyschotic, etc.). Its business as usual as far as I am concerned and this one seems to be on the lighter end casualty wise.
School shootings have been happening since the history of schools, and more often than not it seems to be related to teenage angst or mental issues (depressed over getting dumped, pyschotic, etc.). Its business as usual as far as I am concerned and this one seems to be on the lighter end casualty wise.
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[quote name='pittpizza']I dont think Myke was implying that this kid shot up his school because he was poor. He was just explaining why he used a gun rather than a more expensive bomb or chemical weapon. Seriously though what is the conclusion you're trying to reach? That it may have been "business" related (i.e. a drug deal gone bad) because it is more likely a high crime area?
School shootings have been happening since the history of schools, and more often than not it seems to be related to teenage angst or mental issues (depressed over getting dumped, pyschotic, etc.). Its business as usual as far as I am concerned and this one seems to be on the lighter end casualty wise.[/quote]Haven't pretty much all serious school shootings been done with guns? Guns are the best way of getting the job done, you point it at whatever it is you want to die. Making pipe bombs or some kind of gas agent takes too much time and effort, and it's not nearly as reliable as just shooting Johnny the Bully in the face.
School shootings have been happening since the history of schools, and more often than not it seems to be related to teenage angst or mental issues (depressed over getting dumped, pyschotic, etc.). Its business as usual as far as I am concerned and this one seems to be on the lighter end casualty wise.[/quote]Haven't pretty much all serious school shootings been done with guns? Guns are the best way of getting the job done, you point it at whatever it is you want to die. Making pipe bombs or some kind of gas agent takes too much time and effort, and it's not nearly as reliable as just shooting Johnny the Bully in the face.
How come it always seems like the.. low class/ghetto areas/neighborehoods are usually the ones with the most crime? Hmm? Basically, in the other thread about the murder rates...Philly is high up there and I know why. It's gotten SO ghetto. I lived there until I was 17 and my family moved because it was getting quite disgusting there.
Plus there seems to be a shooting in Philly like once a week. It's ridiculous.
Plus there seems to be a shooting in Philly like once a week. It's ridiculous.
I don't know if any of you have ever been to that part of Cleveland, but much of that area is considered "don't go there" territory. It's -extremely- common to hear about shootings, muggings, and the like in certain parts of that area. If this hadn't happened in a school, I doubt it'd be even news.
Then again, most of the "secondary" schools (read - DH with classes) are run like the streets anyways. It's not a poverty thing. It's just the fact that most of the students there are attending because they've been tossed from every other school. Put a bunch of gangbanging kids together, and something is bound to happen. The graduation rate is misleading - it's relatively impossible to actually fail.
Then again, most of the "secondary" schools (read - DH with classes) are run like the streets anyways. It's not a poverty thing. It's just the fact that most of the students there are attending because they've been tossed from every other school. Put a bunch of gangbanging kids together, and something is bound to happen. The graduation rate is misleading - it's relatively impossible to actually fail.
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[quote name='lilboo']How come it always seems like the.. low class/ghetto areas/neighborehoods are usually the ones with the most crime? Hmm? Basically, in the other thread about the murder rates...Philly is high up there and I know why. It's gotten SO ghetto. I lived there until I was 17 and my family moved because it was getting quite disgusting there.
Plus there seems to be a shooting in Philly like once a week. It's ridiculous.[/quote]
There are good people in the ghetto, but it's called a ghetto for a reason.
Less job opportunities for good salaries, less parental responsibility (single parents, young parents), lower graduation rates, less respect for fellow man, no concern for upkeep of the neighborhoods, looking down at those who work hard as sellouts...all those contribute to higher crime rates. The fact that a large number of people (not all) in the poor black communities wants to pass the blame to everything and everyone but themselves doesn't help. Bill Cosby tried to call people out on it and some accused him of being a traitor.
Places of lower economic status tend to have more crime anyway though and race is irrelevant. Harder lives mean people just don't give a shit as much. That is why people avoid lower-rent places. I have a friend who has a cousin who owns low rent aprtments with white tenants and they are all fronts for criminal activity. It's just that urban low incomes are typically black and rural are typically white. Rural area have less people and therefore less opportunity for crime.
That being said there are places that are rural here that are places you just don't go to. Ten years ago, Sandy Level aka Logtown was one of the more violent place in Virginia for a long time and I still wouldn't feel safe going there even now.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/960422/archive_009708.htm
Same thing with the west end of Martinsville. No way in hell I'd be caught on Fayette St. at night.
Plus there seems to be a shooting in Philly like once a week. It's ridiculous.[/quote]
There are good people in the ghetto, but it's called a ghetto for a reason.
Less job opportunities for good salaries, less parental responsibility (single parents, young parents), lower graduation rates, less respect for fellow man, no concern for upkeep of the neighborhoods, looking down at those who work hard as sellouts...all those contribute to higher crime rates. The fact that a large number of people (not all) in the poor black communities wants to pass the blame to everything and everyone but themselves doesn't help. Bill Cosby tried to call people out on it and some accused him of being a traitor.
Places of lower economic status tend to have more crime anyway though and race is irrelevant. Harder lives mean people just don't give a shit as much. That is why people avoid lower-rent places. I have a friend who has a cousin who owns low rent aprtments with white tenants and they are all fronts for criminal activity. It's just that urban low incomes are typically black and rural are typically white. Rural area have less people and therefore less opportunity for crime.
That being said there are places that are rural here that are places you just don't go to. Ten years ago, Sandy Level aka Logtown was one of the more violent place in Virginia for a long time and I still wouldn't feel safe going there even now.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/960422/archive_009708.htm
Same thing with the west end of Martinsville. No way in hell I'd be caught on Fayette St. at night.
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After those last three comments, I have very little to add, and keep in mind that none of those three comments (Guile, JJSP, and lilboo) went down the "feel so sorry for all the poor people" route. They pointed out that concentrated poverty neighborhoods tend to reinforce themselves by providing an abundance of antisocial/deviant/criminal reinforcement, and have shifted such that "straight" folks are laughed at as fools and naive.
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He also said that crazy people were seperated so that if they hurt anybody it would be other crazy people.
Think about that.
Think about that.
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[quote name='mykevermin']53.4% of people in the neighborhood live below the poverty level. I think that this is a far more interesting bit of data to consider than you may believe.
Additionally, the school (SuccessTech) is a "nontraditional" school, meaning it's likely a GED and Voc/Tech school for dropouts and those expelled from everywhere else. Take that for what it's worth.[/QUOTE] Ah. So this one doesn't count.
Additionally, the school (SuccessTech) is a "nontraditional" school, meaning it's likely a GED and Voc/Tech school for dropouts and those expelled from everywhere else. Take that for what it's worth.[/QUOTE] Ah. So this one doesn't count.
No, no myke, none of that matters you dirty, dirty commie. I have seventeen anecdotes that prove poverty has no link to crime. I mean think about it, impoverished people are stressed out and work shit jobs long hours for low pay, I know if I grew up in that environment I'd see that hard work pays off and the last thing I would want to do is sell drugs, be in a gang, etc. Those kinds of people aren't successful.
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[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']Ah. So this one doesn't count.[/QUOTE]
PRECISELY my point. Another dead poor person = no big deal.
PRECISELY my point. Another dead poor person = no big deal.
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[quote name='mykevermin']PRECISELY my point. Another dead poor person = no big deal.
[/QUOTE] I wasn't serious ...
But I don't think this would have even been news if the shooter didn't happen to be white.
But I don't think this would have even been news if the shooter didn't happen to be white.
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Really? Why do you think that?
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How many publicized school shootings have happened involving a black shooter? How many not publicized?
I want to agree with you, but I just have no information to back it up.
I want to agree with you, but I just have no information to back it up.
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This thread has NOTHING to do with race! Or should I have said HAD nothing to do with race. But since its too late...
Is it because a white shooter is an abberration and a black shooter is business as usual? Is it because when white/korean kids do it they are psycho and go on a killing spree like columbine/VT and black kids don't go psycho and shoot over gang/drug conflicts (therefore making it un-newsworthy)?
Is it because a white shooter is an abberration and a black shooter is business as usual? Is it because when white/korean kids do it they are psycho and go on a killing spree like columbine/VT and black kids don't go psycho and shoot over gang/drug conflicts (therefore making it un-newsworthy)?
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Please. Everything in this country has to do with race. [quote name='mykevermin']Really? Why do you think that?[/QUOTE] You don't agree? If it were a black kid, it would have just been a story about a poor kid from a school for 
-ups. Yawn. But he was white. And wearing a Manson shirt. And from a school with higher than average graduation rates. Suddenly he's a kid with a promising future who was corrupted by the evils of society. Instead of just a poor kid from a school for -ups. And that's a story they can sell. Which seems to be all that matters these days.
-ups. Yawn. But he was white. And wearing a Manson shirt. And from a school with higher than average graduation rates. Suddenly he's a kid with a promising future who was corrupted by the evils of society. Instead of just a poor kid from a school for -ups. And that's a story they can sell. Which seems to be all that matters these days.
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