Anti-Gay Christians Lead to Ugandan Law: Execution for Homosexuals

[quote name='camoor']Your "vocal majority of moderate Christians" banded together to elect fundamentalist Christian crusader George W. Bush. Twice.[/QUOTE]
lolreally?
Are you sure you don't moonlight blog for media matters?

[quote name='camoor']Bingo.

Glad someone got the point, thanks Spazx.[/QUOTE]

:roll:
His point was almost totally opposite of yours from what I read.
 
[quote name='camoor']Your "vocal majority of moderate Christians" banded together to elect fundamentalist Christian crusader George W. Bush. Twice.[/QUOTE]
lolreally?
Are you sure you don't moonlight blog for media matters?

[quote name='camoor']Bingo.

Glad someone got the point, thanks Spazx.[/QUOTE]

:roll:
His point was almost totally opposite of yours from what I read.

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I agree with spazx for the most part. It's just that generalizing certain groups seems to be very popular and almost encouraged versus others. And this thread is a perfect example of that.
 
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[quote name='Koggit']I think the relevance of Bush's faith was diminished by his established ability to separate his own ideals from issues of governance. Abortion is really the only issue which he ever related to his faith [/QUOTE]

Dude.

I don't think this statement could be further from the truth. The guy is considered to be the president that most utilized his faith in governance. He has said many times that he believed his god wanted him to be president. In a thread about the rights of Homosexuals in Africa, and the effect on their lives by Anti-Gay Christian leaders, you do not mention Gay Marriage? That is a very clear example of not separating your own ideals from governance issues. I wish it was the only one.

-ptp
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To be clear, your ideals is said in reference to the former President, not an attack on the poster.
 
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The story wasn't even about Christianity at all. It was about the influence of the Family, a group of men who believe themselves to be so righteous like the figures in the Bible, that they can do anything. They have tendrils in just about every aspect of the workings of the world, from genocidal dictators to gay-bashing Senators.
 
[quote name='gaypunk'][You not mentioning gay marriage] is a very clear example of not seperating your own ideals from governance issues. I wish it was the only one.[/QUOTE]
wait, wtf?

because i love god?

because i love bush?

because i hate gays?

i don't get it. what are you trying to say. what are my own ideals. please tell me.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I agree with spazx for the most part. It's just that generalizing certain groups seems to be very popular and almost encouraged versus others. And this thread is a perfect example of that.[/QUOTE]

Well listen - the Bush W. arguement is a tangent. However any way you want to slice it the fact remains that a majority of American Christians voted for someone who believes that everything in the Christian bible is the literal truth - creationism, anti-homosexuality, anti-birth control, anti-choice, etc. Not only did he believe it, he worked to enact policy based on his beliefs. If Bush W. voters were concerned about defense, tax breaks, or whatever other excuses they want to trot out for helping to elect the worst president in US history they had the choice to vote for several other moderate Christians with similar positions on these issues. But no - in both the primaries and then the general election they voted for the fundie.

Back to the discussion at hand - I totally agree the quote above. Only the difference is I probably have the groups reversed.
 
[quote name='camoor']I do think the point about Dubya is significant though. Regardless of why he eventually got elected, someone thought it was a good idea to enter the primaries backing a dyed-in-wool close-minded fundamentalist Christian presidential candidate against a field of what were mostly religious moderates and they backed a winner. People in fundamentalist muslim countries often have their leaders forced upon them, but Dubya was a fundamentalist Christian leader who was chosen over a wide spectrum of other more moderate options. Twice.[/QUOTE]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but almost every US president has been religious i.e. not atheist, and I believe almost all were Chrisitian, maybe a few Quakers or something, it's not even just Christians electing Christians, that's pretty much what all these candidates are.

And Obama, Biden, Wright, Pelosi and dEaD Kennedy are Christians, so make sure and hate them to. Hating Christians should be a full time job, you can not pick and choose only to hate certain Christians, 9 of out 10 Christians agree that you should hate all Christians or not bothering to hate at all.
 
[quote name='jputahraptor']Correct me if I'm wrong, but almost every US president has been religious i.e. not atheist, and I believe almost all were Chrisitian, maybe a few Quakers or something, it's not even just Christians electing Christians, that's pretty much what all these candidates are. [/quote]

I'll stop you there. Several of the forefathers were not truly fans. Hell, they were calling it back then, in a country founded by Puritans. They are puking in their graves because they are spinning so hard.

George Washington
"Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."
"The government of the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian Religion."

Thomas Jefferson
"I do not find in Christianity one redeeming feature."
"Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law."

James Madison
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."

dEaD Kennedy are Christians

And here.

1) Nice condescension present here, with the poorly typed "dead" up there. Truly tolerant.

2) Kennedy was a Catholic. An Irish Catholic. This is paramount to heresy in the eyes of many Christians. He was open about it and yet still got elected, which is considered a big deal. Learn your history.

Hating Christians should be a full time job, you can not pick and choose only to hate certain Christians, 9 of out 10 Christians agree that you should hate all Christians or not bothering to hate at all.

And finally here.

Ahh, the old "The world is black and white" defense. Last bastion of people incapable of understanding a truly vague world, and instead relegating it back to absolute thought.

Awesome. Take it all, or get out. Beautifully articulate argument. You'll be back next week talking about how YOU CAN'T JUDGE ALL CHRISTIANS BECAUSE OF THE WESTBORO CHURCH, waving your arms around wildly about how they aren't "true" Christians and how there are "good" ones out there who happen to still love sinners, even though every word I see come out of every preacher is nothing but hatred and intolerance for anyone who doesn't subscribe to their book of power.

Hey here's an idea - come back and tell me to suck cock and all that, like you like to do. Since you're such an enlightened individual. I welcome your attempts to respond without throwing out a ton of insults. That's what Jesus would have done - flipped the finger and called someone a dickmunch.
 
[quote name='jputahraptor']Correct me if I'm wrong, but almost every US president has been religious i.e. not atheist, and I believe almost all were Chrisitian, maybe a few Quakers or something, it's not even just Christians electing Christians, that's pretty much what all these candidates are.

And Obama, Biden, Wright, Pelosi and dEaD Kennedy are Christians, so make sure and hate them to. Hating Christians should be a full time job, you can not pick and choose only to hate certain Christians, 9 of out 10 Christians agree that you should hate all Christians or not bothering to hate at all.[/QUOTE]
It's arguable that many of the early presidents weren't very religious, Jefferson especially was not all that religious. I've heard him described as a theist at most. Certainly didn't want religion in politics.

Plus lets be honest, it's impossible to be elected president if you don't express a faith in Christianity. We've elected our first non-white president, the first atheist may take a while longer.

edit- One of these days i'll learn to just find strell's post and reply with "what he said."
 
[quote name='Strell']I'll stop you there. Several of the forefathers were not truly fans. Hell, they were calling it back then, in a country founded by Puritans. They are puking in their graves because they are spinning so hard.

George Washington
"Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."

...[/QUOTE]


That quote isn't really that anti-religion. It's actually kind of pro-religion. Still agree with the crux of your post, though. Throw in some Thomas Paine. I wonder if Glenn Beck realizes that Paine once said the following:

"The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the sun, in which they put a man called Christ in the place of the sun, and pay him the adoration originally payed to the sun."

Would he break down into tears if someone read him that passage?
 
I always love when someone is talking about how stupid Christians are to ask them who they voted for... Since McCain and Obama both proclaim to be Christians, I usually get to follow up with "Why would you vote for someone you think is so stupid to be in charge?"
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I always love when someone is talking about how stupid Christians are to ask them who they voted for... Since McCain and Obama both proclaim to be Christians, I usually get to follow up with "Why would you vote for someone you think is so stupid to be in charge?"[/QUOTE]


This is why I make every effort not to lump all people of faith into a nice package to heap scorn upon. It does not help the conversation. Like I said above, the most vocal Christian group are conservative and evangelical. When you are having stones thrown at your house, you get edgy. People of non-faith should remember that we can't expect the conversation to be civil if we are being insulting. The "Christian Left" is a large group, and a Democrat can not get elected without them.

Fact is, the majority of the country does believe in some sort of deity and an Atheist president is a longer shot than most things. Even if you are not that religious, you better sure as hell pretend to be hardcore.

I think the distinction is how much you respect the rights of non believers and the separation of church and state. Certainly there can be a big difference in the way ones faith can affect governance, depending on the Presidents world view.

The answer to your question, though I would never use that language, is that I have no choice. I would be super excited with an intelligent atheist candidate, however, my choice is to pick the candidate whose world view, despite or because of faith, is closet to mine.

I love me some tolerant, kind, peaceful Christian folk, but the ones attacking me, can get under my skin. I've definitely been guilty of calling all Christians stupid and I was wrong on that one.

Plenty of Atheists who grew up in nice Christian families, plenty of Gay people who are good Christians, plenty of tolerant straight Christians, and plenty of Atheists who go to church. Most likely Unitarian, but still.

Back on topic, kudos to people who support things like The Affirmation Declaration, and perhaps people like them can spread the love in other countries to display the multiple faces of Christianity.

-ptp
 
[quote name='gaypunk']The answer to your question, though I would never use that language, is that I have no choice. I would be super excited with an intelligent atheist candidate, however, my choice is to pick the candidate whose world view, despite or because of faith, is closet to mine.[/QUOTE]

You are a wise one. ;)

However, while I agree with most everything you said, I disagree with this. If you voted for Obama or McCain, do you really know for sure you voted for someone who's world view is closest to your own? How many third party candidates did you research?

Anywhoo, since you're not in the boat to claim all God-Fearing Christians are stupid, then you don't have to worry about electing a leader that you think is stupid. :)
 
Nobody said that all Christians are stupid. They said that fundamentalist Christians that believe the Bible is the literal Word of God are stupid. How can you say that the Earth is a few thousand years old and then also be in charge of nuclear weapons? Unfortunately, that was Bush.
 
I think it's funny how critical thinking is being stressed more in education these days, yet to believe in most religions takes a complete suspension of those critical thinking skills.
 
[quote name='Strell']2) Kennedy was a Catholic. An Irish Catholic. This is paramount to heresy in the eyes of many Christians. He was open about it and yet still got elected, which is considered a big deal. Learn your history.[/QUOTE]

Politically this much is true. I don't know if people recall it, but John Kerry's Catholicism was a minor (minor minor minor) contentious political issue when he ran in 2004. Yes, there's no need to point out that this was the least of his political concerns, he lost for a litany of other reasons. But the only Catholic President thus far was JFK. Moreover, Obama's Christian faith is a funny thing, since there's plenty of political dialogue amongst internet right-wing blogger rabble as to whether he's truly a Christian or a...what was it again?

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Right. A yard of fabric.
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At any rate, Christianity ≠ Christianity. I grew up Catholic (Irish Catholic, fuck yeh) - I know full well how tiny differences can be blown out of proportion. We Catholics are drunks and idolaters to many "Christians" due to our veneration of the Pope and the Virgin Mary (not to mention the Saints). And, to us Catholics (okay, just to me, really), Protestants are largely theological-history-deficient buffoons who cling to their faith as coming from God, and not acknowledging the major catalyst of King Henry VIII's formation of the Anglican church as a consequence of his wanting to dip his royal (fill in with clever metaphor for cock here) into a woman that was not his wife, and the Pope refusing to annul his standing marriage. The King, in as much arrogance as one can contain, rebuked the Pope and started his own church. Essentially, he did the religious equivalent of that one Futurama episode where Bender ran away from a theme park on the moon, shouting "I'M GOING TO START MY OWN THEME PARK - WITH BEER AND HOOKERS!" And that's the foundation of your belief system - a powerful monarchal figure got horny for someone other than his wife.

A charming story. Do you tell your children that version, or do you lie to them and act like Protestant sects were nobly formed because of "indulgences" (twenty minutes after you paypal $20 to pastor Rick Warren)?

Max Weber's classic study of the influence of religion on society as well as structural patterned change, "The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism" can elucidate further differences among Christians.

Moreover, jputa brings up "Wright" and I think he's mentioning the villainous evil scary black man Reverend Jeremiah Wright. How rich of you to hide behind that man and say we must attack him as well. The man's public image has been shredded to death by the likes of you and people who don't understand (and refuse to understand) Black Liberation Theology. You and yours have ruined him, and now you're using him as a human shield. You have no shame.

[quote name='jputahraptor']Correct me if I'm wrong, but almost every US president has been religious i.e. not atheist, and I believe almost all were Chrisitian, maybe a few Quakers or something, it's not even just Christians electing Christians, that's pretty much what all these candidates are.[/quote]

Your knowledge of history is positively stunning.

And Obama, Biden, Wright, Pelosi and dEaD Kennedy are Christians, so make sure and hate them to. Hating Christians should be a full time job, you can not pick and choose only to hate certain Christians, 9 of out 10 Christians agree that you should hate all Christians or not bothering to hate at all.

Buh? Huh? What? Wat. I have no idea if you're being sarcastic here or not - but I know you tend to be serious as a heart attack when discussing politics.

Let's distill this down to one basic thing you say:

[quote name='jputahraptor']you can not pick and choose only to hate certain Christians[/QUOTE]

Um, what? I most certainly can. I don't even need to take the easy route and point out how many "christians" despise Black Liberation Theology (and Catholicism) - let alone the other major Abrahamic faiths, Judaism and Islam.

Of course Christians despise and hate each other. That's why the sects exist in the first fuckin' place - not just to give Christians "some choice" in their faith (though the more modern religious marketplace theory would say that's precisely the point, that's a talk for another day).

But lets go back to the basics. I can't pick and choose certain Christians? Of fucking course I can. That's the point of this thread - these Christian assholes preach of hatred, preach of lies about the destruction of the family, preach of fabrications like the "gay agenda." I hate Christians whose incendiary belief systems cause harm, injustice, hatred, and inequality in the world, because it's antithetical to the teachings of Christ. You're essentially telling me I can't think that the Inquisition was a horrible thing to have occurred historically without hating Sister Teresa's life and works, or Padre Pio's life and works - as well as the entirety of Christians and Christianity? Think again, dude.

CS Lewis' book "Mere Christianity" was written as a means of wading through all the muckity muck and filtering out the very rudiments of the Christian faith - what is it that any person who believes in Christ thinks and can agree on. It was in direct response to his feeling that too many people disputed and emphasized the differences, using those to create social enclaves, preventing friendships and relationships and exacerbating disputes because of these divisions. He wrote a book about the other side of the coin - what do they all agree on? And it was a great book. Given your posting quality, jputa, you don't strike me someone who reads, but perhaps you should pick that book up.
 
Myke, do you still consider yourself a catholic 'believer'?

I really have no issue with people singling out douches like those mentioned in the OP to hate. But what saddens me is how articles like that inevitably have the potent effect of getting lots of people who already dislike the religious to suddenly start pointing and saying "See why I hate (insert group) so much!!!"

Too much of that is largely what's wrong with this world.
 
I drink a lot and make excuses for not attending mass. That's pretty Catholic.

You are upset by overgeneralizations, and finish a post about that by saying "that is largely what's wrong with this world."

:rofl:

Think about that.
 
I'm not seeing the hypocrisy.

I guess I should have said that generalizing groups is the root of many problems we face in this world. That's what I meant.

I guess, in a way, I'm generalizing the cause of problems in the world if you want to see it that way....
 
Thinking I was saying it's hypocritical is a bit strong.

But you make a proper point about how we think and how we argue at the same time you execute the same folly without realizing it.

I know I'm a longwinded dude, but I try to make precise points at the same time I write in a way that entertains myself (and perhaps someone else).

We've all written papers in our lives, no? So we know how hard it is to start a paper - what's the proper way to enter into the asynchronous conversation of writing a paper? If you're a college student, chances are you'll start with "(topic of paper) is becoming a major problem in the world today." Or some variant where you substitute similar vagaries. But that's a sentence that's empty and meaningless - it's the writing equivalent of when we say "umm..." in regular conversation: it serves as a marker that we have something to say, and we're about to get on with it - so hold your breath in the meantime, I'm talking now.

It's an epidemic (hyperbole!) in terms of how we think. Broad brushstrokes, simply put.

Yes, indeed: the failure to recognize individuals exist within groups, and those individuals possess unique characteristics that inherently belong to them as denoted by the meaning of the word individual, is a problem becasuse when we try to make claims about any group larger than the individual itself, we lose some of the detail about the individual. That's a problem inherent in discussing groups of larger than 1 person.

But so much of what we piss and moan about here, no matter our perspective, is a willful and intentional debate not over the topic itself, but about how we word our arguments and how they're misunderstood and misconstrued. When I say "I hate Limp Bizkit," I don't mean that I hate anybody with a guitar, or anybody who plays rock music - I mean that I specifically hate the music performed by those five specific chowderheads. Nobody would think I was saying otherwise - you would recognize that I mean the dimwits who play "keep rollin, rollin, rollin, rollin."

But when it comes to politics, if I start a thread about the political ramifications of a nation that just passed legislation I find to be beyond detestable, and make the claim that Christian people who spoke at a conference referring to an active and purposed "gay agenda," who claim falsely that homosexuality destroys families, and make other arguments that temporally proceed the proposal of that law - we see the conversation divert to being about "Christians" in general. Which is absurd. It's off the mark, it's easily destroyable by virtue of the vast variation in beliefs, behaviors and practices of "Christian" (and therefore how useless it is to talk about them as a unique group). But we do it time and time again in terms of political discourse.

I'm no saint - but this is the problem of our collective discussions in the versus forum: willful, intentional misreadings of arguments and discursive sleights of hand that just take a giant fucking (figurative, not literal) dump all over any chance of us having useful discourse.
 
Myke,

I enjoy your posts. I really do. For the way they are written especially.

You are dead on about how we often misinterpret each other in the versus forum (everyone misinterprets everyone). We do spend an awful lot amount of time trying to clarify, come to think of it.

You know, I come here both because I like to argue and I like to exercise my ability to express thought. I'm not nearly as interested in getting better at arguing as I am developing skills of expression.

Lately I've been trying to really cut down on my post length and see if I can convey the same meanings without being long-winded. I am trying to see how concise I can be. It's pretty clear I have a ways to go.
 
My quest to be concise is as successful a possibility as Chris Dodd winning a senate race in 2010.

EDIT: And you do try - god bless ya, you don't take things I say personally - and you try to see perspectives and nuance.

The dude with the Rival Schools avatar, OTOH, is just a machine that spits out bite-sized quips from a combination of studying politics from station wagon bumper stickers and listening to talk radio and reading politico (the beltway's answer to TMZ!).
 
Is this thread the unnofficial OTT part 2? We started on a story about a law in Uganda about homosexuals ad now we're discussing whether we're a christian nation?
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Is this thread the unnofficial OTT part 2? We started on a story about a law in Uganda about homosexuals ad now we're discussing whether we're a christian nation?[/QUOTE]

Yes it is...so fuck off and take Joliet Jake with you.

Joking, post in the OTT and that's generally the response.
 
[quote name='Strell']I'll stop you there. Several of the forefathers were not truly fans. Hell, they were calling it back then, in a country founded by Puritans. They are puking in their graves because they are spinning so hard.

George Washington
"Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."
"The government of the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian Religion."

Thomas Jefferson
"I do not find in Christianity one redeeming feature."
"Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law."

James Madison
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."



And here.

1) Nice condescension present here, with the poorly typed "dead" up there. Truly tolerant.

2) Kennedy was a Catholic. An Irish Catholic. This is paramount to heresy in the eyes of many Christians. He was open about it and yet still got elected, which is considered a big deal. Learn your history.



And finally here.

Ahh, the old "The world is black and white" defense. Last bastion of people incapable of understanding a truly vague world, and instead relegating it back to absolute thought.

Awesome. Take it all, or get out. Beautifully articulate argument. You'll be back next week talking about how YOU CAN'T JUDGE ALL CHRISTIANS BECAUSE OF THE WESTBORO CHURCH, waving your arms around wildly about how they aren't "true" Christians and how there are "good" ones out there who happen to still love sinners, even though every word I see come out of every preacher is nothing but hatred and intolerance for anyone who doesn't subscribe to their book of power.

Hey here's an idea - come back and tell me to suck cock and all that, like you like to do. Since you're such an enlightened individual. I welcome your attempts to respond without throwing out a ton of insults. That's what Jesus would have done - flipped the finger and called someone a dickmunch.[/QUOTE]


Thanks for another close-minded anti-Christian rant, you pretty much degrade yourself so I don't have to. I honestly don't know where you got all that from me saying most US presidents have believed in God and then turned it into some angry flamewar. I get it, you don't like me, so prove me wrong or get over me. Why even respond to my posts, I never seek you out but you are always picking a fight with me because of some trade that may or may not have happened 4 years ago. Also I don't get your sense of humor so I really don't know whether I should laugh at what you typed or be insulted, I will be the bigger man of the two of us and continue to ignore your colorful language and religious bigotry.

That's good though, you found quotes for 3 out of 44 presidents. Let me know about this one.

"We should never forget that God granted us the power to reason so that we would do His work here on Earth - so that we would use science to cure disease, and heal the sick, and save lives."

BARACK OBAMA, speech, Dec. 1, 2006


Actually I really don't have anything else to say other than to the other fellow about hating Christians, but being a supporter of the current administration which is made primarily of Christians, that's really all, I didn't call anyone names, just adding something even know I know I'm not wanted :)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']My quest to be concise is as successful a possibility as Chris Dodd winning a senate race in 2010.

EDIT: And you do try - god bless ya, you don't take things I say personally - and you try to see perspectives and nuance.

The dude with the Rival Schools avatar, OTOH, is just a machine that spits out bite-sized quips from a combination of studying politics from station wagon bumper stickers and listening to talk radio and reading politico (the beltway's answer to TMZ!).[/QUOTE]

Her name is Tiffany and she is a cheerleader, ok?
 
[quote name='jputahraptor'] Why even respond to my posts[/quote]

Because you are wrong and I don't tolerate falsified information. I'm sorry this offends you and your bullshit worldview.

I never seek you out but you are always picking a fight with me because of some trade that may or may not have happened 4 years ago. Also I don't get your sense of humor so I really don't know whether I should laugh at what you typed or be insulted, I will be the bigger man of the two of us and continue to ignore your colorful language and religious bigotry.

There's the Jesusfreak Christian mentality! "YOU DISAGREE SO I INSULT YOU!" I've already apologized for having a better memory than you. It's sad you hold this against me. You'd do so much better to just own up to it, but instead you flaunt around ripping off stores and the like. Good job.

That's good though, you found quotes for 3 out of 44 presidents.

Yeah, sorry for bursting your faulty, wrong, incorrect, miserable, painfully obtuse and factually insipid bubble that you've freebased since kindergarten because some perverse narrow minded right wingers all still believe in the untrue notion that our country was founded to be Christian and only Christian, a premise so brazenly stupid that it should have died out decades ago.

Let me know about this one.

"We should never forget that God granted us the power to reason so that we would do His work here on Earth - so that we would use science to cure disease, and heal the sick, and save lives."

BARACK OBAMA, speech, Dec. 1, 2006

And to think, a few weeks ago you'd call him a half breed Muslim Islamic fascist socialist secret terrorist.

So which is it? You're flip flopping. Know who else flip flopped? John Kerry! He's a damn dirty librul demo-crayut, who thinks money is farted from the sky straight from God's asshole!

You people can't even keep your fucking lies straight. It's called having your cake and eating it too. You don't get to do that, no matter what Glenn, Rush, Bill, and all those other deluded fruitcakes say.

Actually I really don't have anything else to say other than to the other fellow about hating Christians, but being a supporter of the current administration which is made primarily of Christians, that's really all, I didn't call anyone names, just adding something even know I know I'm not wanted :)

Wrap that around your finger and play with it, if that's all it takes to make you feel superior - running away with your tail between your legs.
 
[quote name='Strell']Because you are wrong and I don't tolerate falsified information. I'm sorry this offends you and your bullshit worldview.



There's the Jesusfreak Christian mentality! "YOU DISAGREE SO I INSULT YOU!" I've already apologized for having a better memory than you. It's sad you hold this against me. You'd do so much better to just own up to it, but instead you flaunt around ripping off stores and the like. Good job.



Yeah, sorry for bursting your faulty, wrong, incorrect, miserable, painfully obtuse and factually insipid bubble that you've freebased since kindergarten because some perverse narrow minded right wingers all still believe in the untrue notion that our country was founded to be Christian and only Christian, a premise so brazenly stupid that it should have died out decades ago.



And to think, a few weeks ago you'd call him a half breed Muslim Islamic fascist socialist secret terrorist.

So which is it? You're flip flopping. Know who else flip flopped? John Kerry! He's a damn dirty librul demo-crayut, who thinks money is farted from the sky straight from God's asshole!

You people can't even keep your fucking lies straight. It's called having your cake and eating it too. You don't get to do that, no matter what Glenn, Rush, Bill, and all those other deluded fruitcakes say.



Wrap that around your finger and play with it, if that's all it takes to make you feel superior - running away with your tail between your legs.[/QUOTE]


Man you need to come down, you insulted me like 45 times in one post. I never said Obama was a Muslim anything, just an incompetent douchbag. I never said the country was founded on Christianity, only that many of the US president believed in God. What else, what else, what else...eh I don't know, the bitter athesist, full of shit, I'm better than you because my racecar bed can fly mentality is childish and dull at this point. You misquote, lie, and do personal attacks just like the liberal media who made you their bitch.
 
Actually I'm not atheist, so score another point for you being a misguided misplaced idiot fuckwagon.

I'm sorry I'm capable of examining long-established rules of order so that I can pick out the bullshit therein, differentiating it entirely from things borne of logic and proper cognition.

I'd say one day you'll understand, but you're about to graduate college, and still carry about a third grader's sense of thinking.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']ya LOL thats so funny I'm still laughing about it[/QUOTE]
I'm fucking serious. How can you stress something like that in a class room, but then make an excuse that it's alright to ignore it when it comes to religion.

It's intellectually dishonest.
 
[quote name='Strell']Actually I'm not atheist, so score another point for you being a misguided misplaced idiot fuckwagon.

I'm sorry I'm capable of examining long-established rules of order so that I can pick out the bullshit therein, differentiating it entirely from things borne of logic and proper cognition.

I'd say one day you'll understand, but you're about to graduate college, and still carry about a third grader's sense of thinking.[/QUOTE]


Awesome, you insulted me, Nintendoman. I honestly have nothing against you, I don't know why you are so hostile but seriously man, we can co-exist.

I'd be interested in your beliefs, if you are not atheist, because that other guy's got some serious warped views and baggage, I'm sure under your tough guy exterior, you are not as insane and full of yourself as he is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJTBPdVpdMc
 
I was going to chime in regarding some of the hilarious nonsense flying around in this thread, but I see myke and Strell already have most everything covered. Awesome job, guys.
 
[quote name='jputahraptor']Correct me if I'm wrong, but almost every US president has been religious i.e. not atheist, and I believe almost all were Chrisitian, maybe a few Quakers or something, it's not even just Christians electing Christians, that's pretty much what all these candidates are.

And Obama, Biden, Wright, Pelosi and dEaD Kennedy are Christians, so make sure and hate them to. Hating Christians should be a full time job, you can not pick and choose only to hate certain Christians, 9 of out 10 Christians agree that you should hate all Christians or not bothering to hate at all.[/QUOTE]

What do you think about religious fundamentalism and dogmatism? I'm namely asking for your evaluation of all-encompassing absolute, uncontestable belief systems based on literal interpretations of holy texts.
 
Christians from America didn't directly (or indirectly) cause witch hunters to ramp up human sacrifices so I don't see how it's pertinent to the topic.

Why not bring up an article that shows the downfall of the Uganda educational system instead? Anything else would've been more pertinent.

No. You chose to bring up the first article that Google pointed you to when you typed in religion and Uganda.

Bravo, dick. You've shown us all that you have fifth grade Google skills.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']Based on this topic I thought people cared about what happens in Uganda. I guess I thought wrong.[/QUOTE]

So when you go to the beach and get a sunburn, do you assume you can get them only at beaches?

Because that's about the level of discourse you're currently serving up right now.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Christians from America didn't directly (or indirectly) cause witch hunters to ramp up human sacrifices so I don't see how it's pertinent to the topic.

Why not bring up an article that shows the downfall of the Uganda educational system instead? Anything else would've been more pertinent.

No. You chose to bring up the first article that Google pointed you to when you typed in religion and Uganda.

Bravo, dick. You've shown us all that you have fifth grade Google skills.[/QUOTE]

Religion in Uganda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Religion in Uganda consists of several different religions. The National Census of October 2002 resulted in the clearest and most detailed information yet ...

History - Indigenous beliefs - Secular - Christianity
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Uganda - Cached

That's actually the first topic that comes up when I search religion and Uganda. Bravo sir, you showed us your lack of fifth grade google skills :roll:.

Just figured topic about horrible things in Uganda = good place to post an article about something horrible that is going on in Uganda. Oh well, at least you read it and now you know a little more about things happening in the country.
 
Does this fly for honest debate tactic these days? Ignoring what the actual issue is and focusing on some tiny insignificant bullshit, and then flipping off anything contrary to your little bubble?

'Cuz ya know, when I put these 3D glasses on, the whole world is in 3D. I don't know what is wrong with the rest of you people.
 
[quote name='Strell']Does this fly for honest debate tactic these days? Ignoring what the actual issue is and focusing on some tiny insignificant bullshit, and then flipping off anything contrary to your little bubble?

'Cuz ya know, when I put these 3D glasses on, the whole world is in 3D. I don't know what is wrong with the rest of you people.[/QUOTE]

Who was I trying to debate with when I posted that article. I posted an article, about Uganda, in a topic that was about things that are taking place in Uganda. Ps, it's also 3D for me. Sweet.
 
One man said he had clients who had captured children and taken their blood and body parts to his shrine, while another confessed to killing at least 70 people including his own son.

The latter has now given up the ritual and is campaigning to stamp it out, according to BBC News.

The African country's government claimed human sacrifice was on the increase.

According to officials trying to tackle it, the crime is directly linked to rising levels of development and prosperity - and an increasing belief that witchcraft can help people get rich quickly.

During its investigation, to be broadcast on Thursday on Radio 4 and Newsnight, the BBC team witnessed anti-sacrifice campaigners torching the shrine of a witch-doctor in northern Uganda, who agreed to give up the practice.

He said clients came to him in search of wealth.

"They go and capture other people's children. They bring the heart and the blood directly here to take to the spirits," he said.

"They bring them in small tins and they place these objects under the tree from which the voices of the spirits are coming."

The witch doctor, who said he was paid 500,000 Ugandan shillings (around £160) for a consultation, denied any direct involvement in murder or incitement to murder, saying his spirits spoke directly to clients.

Moses Binoga, the assistant police commissioner who is head of the Ugandan anti-human sacrifice and trafficking task force, said there were 26 murders thought to be part of ritual sacrifice last year compared with three cases in 2007.

"We also have about 120 children and adults reported missing whose fate we have not traced," he added. "From the experience of those whom we recovered, we cannot rule out that they may be victims of human sacrifice."

Crossing Continents - Uganda: Battling the Witch-Doctors will be broadcast on Radio 4 at 11am on Thursday.

Newsnight - Uganda: Battling the Witch-Doctors will be screened on BBC2 at 10.30pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Uganda-as-witch-doctors-admit-to-rituals.html

uganda is cutting edge
 
Not shocking. One of the girls in my lab recently came back from Ugandan and said people from America are viewed as "celebrities."
 
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