Any news on a HDD for the slim pstwo?

hmmmm.... A rumor (especially one in EGM) about an impossible memory card isnt really useful news.

If the USB slot isnt fast enough to run games the memorycard slot sure as heck isnt.
 
[quote name='Alpha2']hmmmm.... A rumor (especially one in EGM) about an impossible memory card isnt really useful news.

If the USB slot isnt fast enough to run games the memorycard slot sure as heck isnt.[/quote]

No, but it would be a useful substitute for the HDD since it doesn't work with the new model. Being able to use it for FFXI and other online games to download updates, patches, etc onto them. Otherwise, you're screwed if you want to play FFXI and only have the PStwo.
 
[quote name='CrashSpyro123']Otherwise, you're screwed if you want to play FFXI and only have the PStwo.[/quote]

I will switch over to the PC version to play FFXI if my PS2 bust... Sony should have shown more love to the people that purchased hard drives.
 
[quote name='legion_stxds'][quote name='CrashSpyro123']Otherwise, you're screwed if you want to play FFXI and only have the PStwo.[/quote]

I will switch over to the PC version to play FFXI if my PS2 bust... Sony should have shown more love to the people that purchased hard drives.[/quote]

It's not all Sony's fault, many of the third party developers ignored it, too. Sega, Capcom, and many a couple more have only thrown it a bone, sucks since the ESPN Sports games use it just for what I'd like sports games to use it for: replays and direct saving.
 
Because of FFXI and Front Mission Online I won't be switching to the new PSTwo. And I have a feeling there are other Online games in the works that will wind up uses the HD.
 
I doubt the new Front Mission will use the HDD, it might be like RE Outbreak, with an optional HDD option.

I have both of my PS2's hooked up, my old model has FF XI but makes crazy noises when reading discs.
 
[quote name='dental_regurgitation']I doubt the new Front Mission will use the HDD, it might be like RE Outbreak, with an optional HDD option.

I have both of my PS2's hooked up, my old model has FF XI but makes crazy noises when reading discs.[/quote]

If it sounds like the disc's not spinning fast enough, use the tape method and it'll fix it.
 
[quote name='CrashSpyro123']It's not all Sony's fault, many of the third party developers ignored it, too.[/quote]

It really does suck, explaining to my friends that the new PS2 isn't compatible with FFXI. I have multiple friends that play the PS2 version because they couldn't afford to buy a new computer. So, when their PS2's take a dirt nap... its game over. When peripherals aren't supported any longer... its just sad.
 
[quote name='dental_regurgitation']I doubt the new Front Mission will use the HDD, it might be like RE Outbreak, with an optional HDD option.

I have both of my PS2's hooked up, my old model has FF XI but makes crazy noises when reading discs.[/quote]

Actually Square has said that Front Mission Online will be uses the HD just like FFXI and will be installed on the HD just like FFXI.

[quote name='snotnose_colossal']Isnt HDloader working on a USBloader? Im guessing the slim ps2 uses USB2.0 now, cause I dont thnk 1.1 would be fast enough to transfer an entire game.[/quote]
PSTwo uses 1.1 not 2.0, the USBloader is pretty much a joke, Games will not be able to run off of it. I still don't understand why Sony didn't uses 2.0.
Stupid Sony -_-x
 
My $0.02.

I don't really care about installing RPG's to the HD cuz I don't play them. But I would like a way to have more than 8mb of game saves. My memory card is almost full. Also, I agree with the whole PS1 compatibility issue.

I played Klonoa 1: Door to Phantomile on my PStwo without saving, cuz I don't have a memory card, I just paused it when I wanted to stop...

A USB memory card with like 64 mb would be sweet. I'd pay ~30USD or so for one.
 
There seems to be a two sides to this whole issue between developers and consumers on the HDD.

Developers will support the HDD when it has a large userbase.

Consumers would buy many HDD's when the developers support it.

It's a trap!

Hence, it likely won't have all that much support.
 
Square seems to be the only one who is suporting the HD.

It makes me kind of wonder if maybe Namco was planing to bring Tales of Eternia Online to the PS2 but sinces there is no suport for the HD they desided to make it PC only. =/
 
[quote name='CrashSpyro123']There seems to be a two sides to this whole issue between developers and consumers on the HDD.

Developers will support the HDD when it has a large userbase.

Consumers would buy many HDD's when the developers support it.

It's a trap!

Hence, it likely won't have all that much support.[/quote]

The fault is entirely Sony's. It isn't as though two years after releasing the PS2 some guy had a flash and said, "We could do a PS2 hard drive and offer all kinds of neat benefits to our customers!" The hard drive was part of the system design from day one, yet they dawdled for years before releasing it. It isn't as though they needed FFXI either. If anything, the forced bundling of that game has been a major mistake. Nobody buys Sony's claim that the game is a free bonus. If that is the case then the drive is horribly overpriced and deserves to fail.

Part of the problem was tying the US version to the Network Adapter. (Early outboard drives in Japan didn't require it.) This placed an additional cost burden on the product, especially for those who had no interest in online play and would be just as happy to get their game updates and add-ons via magazine demo discs or Jam Packs.

If Sony had been thinking clearly at the time they could easily have shipped a 10 to 20 GB drive within six months of the PS2's release and promoted it as a super memory card for $60. Offering it that early would have assured it won a much larger percentage of the installed base and guaranteed that nearly all software supported it. Sony could justifiably made it a requirement but they cannot do that today since the drive represent such a tiny portion of the installed base and third parties would rebel against the added workload.

I know I for one would have spent the $60 for a nearly infinite capacity memory card, especially if it didn't require an unwanted Network Adaptor. Sales of PS2 memory card would be reduced but only to a limited extent as they would still the primary means of portability for game data, which is quite important to sports gamers in league play.
 
Sony has stated plainly that the PStwo does not have USB 2.0 ports. There will be no FFXI for the PStwo. Any other writable storage medium would painfully slow and make the game unplayable. Sony screwed up the delivery and marketing of the hard drive and nothing is going to change that until the next generation.

Get over it.
 
The USB loader came out and quite simply it's useless for anything besides backing up game saves and small emmulators that can be stored in RAM. If the PS2 did use USB2.0 ports it would just be a waste as nothing they've developed (headphones/mic, eyetoy, keyboard, etc.) actually need it. The ports do exactly what they need them to do and to upgrade to 2.0 and release new peripherals would just hurt the millions of people with USB1.1 slots on their old original systems, who werent going to upgrade to a PStwo.

Unless they develop some sort of pass through for the Ethernet adaptor or something, there's no HD support for the PStwo.

The problem is Sony didn't want to bother with the HD after the second year of the PS2s life. Their whole hope was to be able to sell online sevices like movies and music, but abandoned the idea when the cost of setting up the service was matched up against the predicted userbase for it, plus there just werent enough Boradband users to build an inferstucture of the size they wanted yet. It was used a lot more in japan but with sony's reluctance to spend the money on it here, Square-Enix who'd put a lot of money into FF11 had to lobby hard for it's eventual release here and put up much of the money (this is probably why they're still making the effort to make compatible games for it.) Lets face it the biggest use of the HD would be the Final Fantasy11 franchaise and an MMORPG at that. A genre which rarely measures it's success in millions wasn't going to do much for Sony's forecasts. So of course many of the other companies that were actually using it in japan removed HDD functionality from the games they brought here because Sony had taken so long to import the HDD, but since so many of these games seemed to work fine without it (aside from long loading times) it wasn't a big deal to Sony anymore, and they were only concerned only with staying number one in regular console games leaving Squeenix to take the hit in the wallet for the HD.

Sony eventually decided that they'd sold millions of original style PS2s and with the slow acceptance of the device by developers (despite Capcom's attempt to push it with the online Resident evil game) that if someone out there cared for the HDD and the slow trickle of games that used it, they likely would already have a version of the system that could comodate it.

So basically there may still be one or two games a year that use it before the end of the PS2 life cycle but it's not really a concern to Sony since it wasnt doing much for their bottom line anyway.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']Sony should have put 1 USB 2.0 port on the PS2 just so they could have released an external HDD.[/quote]

Hindsight's always 20/20.
 
2.0 would have caused them to raise the system price another 10 bucks. And the original japanese PS2s had external drives, I forget the reason why though (aside from obviously not having an internal bay for it).
 
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