Anybody Signing Up for Scientology?

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I've just been amused by the whole Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes spectacle. According to the few news sources I've read, Cruise's former manager always kept a tight reign on him regarding Scientology and it was completely off-limits for a reporter to ask any questions about it. Then he decided he wanted to talk more about it so he fired his manager and is now represented by his sister (also a Scientologist). But this looks like it has just blown up in his face and the "church" can't be that happy about all the negative press they're receiving now. Cruise looks like he's drunk the Kool-Aid and gone off the rails. Katie decided to covert after dating Tom for 6 weeks and there's a story today on how he tried to convert Scarlet Johansen a few months ago.

Anyway, that's what has Scientology back in the MSM. So what does everyone think? Cult or not? Looney Hollywood fringe or does it have and scientific merit? Any members here?

I've always thought they were pretty off and way too secretive for my tastes to be trusted. It seems like a big scam to make money and power (not that that necessarily distinguishes it from a lot of other religions).
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']OOOOH!

SIGN ME UP!

I want my understanding of a religion to be wholly dependent on how much money I contribute! I too want to be OT VIII![/QUOTE]

and how pretty your clay molds are
 
Any western religion is a total waste of time and braincells.

Budhism.... now theres a religion.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']It isn't any more or less credible than any other religion based on supernatural forces.[/QUOTE]

What are the upper levels of Scientology?

The upper levels are known as the "OT Levels" - they claim to make participants into "Operating Thetans" with superhuman abilities. Eight levels (OT I - VIII) have been released. Additional levels have been promised for years. Much of the material of the OT Levels deals with space aliens - eradicating mental implants we supposedly received from them, and ridding our bodies of the spirits of alien beings that are stuck to us.

What else does Scientology teach?

A big part of Scientology, especially upper-level Scientology, involves postulates - basically, making things happen by believing in them hard enough.

Other important teachings of Scientology include:

Psychiatry is extremely evil and has caused severe problems for us for millions of years.

2.5 percent of the population is suppressive (routinely committing evil acts to impede the survival of others), and associating with these people can make you sick - Scientologists who associate with "suppressive persons" (SPs) are not allowed to do Scientology services.

You know, when you're talking about space aliens and mind implants? Yeah, chances are your religion is a QUACK oh LOL, I made a pun! Anyone have a space alien stuck to them?

No?

Hmmmm, damn, there goes that one.

The best part about this though is that if you attempt to take a Scientologist to a psychiatrist to assauge their fears that there are no implants or space aliens attached to them the psyciatrist can't be trusted. Only the OT VIII can cleanse the world!
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']The upper levels are known as the "OT Levels" - they claim to make participants into "Operating Thetans" with superhuman abilities. Eight levels (OT I - VIII) have been released. Additional levels have been promised for years. Much of the material of the OT Levels deals with space aliens - eradicating mental implants we supposedly received from them, and ridding our bodies of the spirits of alien beings that are stuck to us.[/QUOTE]

Will this be available for Xbox 360? :)
 
[quote name='Kayden']Sounds like a fun time if it were real[/QUOTE]

John Travolta was an OT VIII when Battlefield Earth was released (An L Ron Hubbard book.) guess that kind of proves Scientology is a farce right there doesn't it?

[quote name='MrBadExample']Will this be available for Xbox 360? :)[/QUOTE]

Good one, sounds not unlike "Prey".
 
The Grand Poobah (or whatever) at Scientology HQ must be losing his thetans now that Tom Cruise (their highest profile cultist...err, member, is now by all conventional wisdom, batshit crazy.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']John Travolta was an OT VIII when Battlefield Earth was released (An L Ron Hubbard book.) guess that kind of proves Scientology is a farce right there doesn't it?

[/qUOTE]


Am I the only person that kinda liked that move? :oops:
 
Actually Tavolta is, at last posting, their highest well known celebrity member.

You can find a complete OT VIII listing from this biased site.
Link

Here's a funny statement from Greta van Sustern, you know, from the far Christian right Fox News Channel???

Greta Van Susteren on Scientology

But what kind of religious mission motivates Van Susteren? St. Petersburg Times reporter Mary Jacoby discovered that Van Susteren belongs to Scientology, "a religion that teaches of Xenu, evil head of the Galactic Confederation" who "flew people to Teegeeack (Earth) 75-million years ago in space ships, chained them to volcanos and blew them up with hydrogen bombs, releasing exploded 'thetas'T that are now the source of most human suffering."

Take that into account the next time you see her on TV. She belives an evil head of a Galactic Confederation flew people to Earth and well.... it was just quoted for you.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Actually Tavolta is, at last posting, their highest well known celebrity member.

You can find a complete OT VIII listing from this biased site.
Link [/QUOTE]

I just meant highest profile celebrity, not highest level Scientologist.

They do like to latch onto celebrities though. Cruise, Travolta, Priscilla & Lisa Marie Presley, Isaac Hayes, Giovanni Ribisi, Jenna Elfman, Mimi Rogers, Nancy Cartwright - who did I miss?
 
Anne Archer

Billy Sheehan

Carina Ricco

Carl W. Röhrig

Catherine Bell

Chris Masterson

Corin Nemec

Danny Masterson

Edgar Winter

Eduardo Palomo

Erika Christensen

Geoffrey Lewis

Giovanni Ribisi

Greta Van Susteren

Haywood Nelson

Isaac Hayes

Jason Beghe

Jason Lee

Jeff Pomerantz

Jenna Elfman

Jennifer Aspen

John Travolta

Judy Norton

Juliette Lewis

Karen Nelson Bell

Kate Ceberano

Keith Code

Kelly Preston

Kimberly Kates

Kirstie Alley

Leah Remini

Lisa Marie Presley

Lynsey Bartilson

Marisol Nichols

Michael Fairman

Michael Roberts

Michelle Stafford

Nancy Cartwright

Pablo Santos

Priscilla Presley

Rev. Alfreddie Johnson, Jr.

Sharon Case

Terry Jastrow

Tom Cruise

Xavier Deluc
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Greta Van Susteren[/QUOTE]

Greta is not going to be happy with Fox & Friends for making fun of her religion this morning. :lol:
 
Actually L Ron Hubbard claimed he could make more money from creating a relgion given the tax status it's granted around the world than from writing, which wasn't hard considering he was a failed science fiction writer.

It was about the only thing in life he was right about. However, just take a look at his religion and you have to wonder just how stupid Scientologists really are.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']What are the upper levels of Scientology?

The upper levels are known as the "OT Levels" - they claim to make participants into "Operating Thetans" with superhuman abilities. Eight levels (OT I - VIII) have been released. Additional levels have been promised for years. Much of the material of the OT Levels deals with space aliens - eradicating mental implants we supposedly received from them, and ridding our bodies of the spirits of alien beings that are stuck to us.

What else does Scientology teach?

A big part of Scientology, especially upper-level Scientology, involves postulates - basically, making things happen by believing in them hard enough.

Other important teachings of Scientology include:

Psychiatry is extremely evil and has caused severe problems for us for millions of years.

2.5 percent of the population is suppressive (routinely committing evil acts to impede the survival of others), and associating with these people can make you sick - Scientologists who associate with "suppressive persons" (SPs) are not allowed to do Scientology services.

You know, when you're talking about space aliens and mind implants? Yeah, chances are your religion is a QUACK oh LOL, I made a pun! Anyone have a space alien stuck to them?

No?

Hmmmm, damn, there goes that one.

The best part about this though is that if you attempt to take a Scientologist to a psychiatrist to assauge their fears that there are no implants or space aliens attached to them the psyciatrist can't be trusted. Only the OT VIII can cleanse the world![/QUOTE]

Just as believable as talking bushes and the garden of eden. If you don't follow a religion, they all seem equally false.

Besides, the only worth religion has is to improve the lives of their followers, if people feel it does that then it is a good thing.
 
The bush wasn't talking, it was burning. Also it was an appearence of the Holy Spirit, not a literal talking bush.

There is more evidence of a Garden of Eden than beings were brought here to Earth, chained to volcanos and exploded by hydrogen bombs. If OT VIII's are truly cognizant of the existence of alien beings you have to assume they've either met them, or been in contact with them given the nature of Scientology teachings.

Amazing how only Scientologists have accomplished that isn't it? You'd think space aliens that travelled all this way would really want to talk to any world leader instead of John Travolta.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']The bush wasn't talking, it was burning. Also it was an appearence of the Holy Spirit, not a literal talking bush.
[/QUOTE]

So, a burning, talking bush is out of the question... but a shiny specter that knows all is more feasible?
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']The bush wasn't talking, it was burning. Also it was an appearence of the Holy Spirit, not a literal talking bush.

There is more evidence of a Garden of Eden than beings were brought here to Earth, chained to volcanos and exploded by hydrogen bombs. If OT VIII's are truly cognizant of the existence of alien beings you have to assume they've either met them, or been in contact with them given the nature of Scientology teachings.

Amazing how only Scientologists have accomplished that isn't it? You'd think space aliens that travelled all this way would really want to talk to any world leader instead of John Travolta.[/QUOTE]

Since when is 0 > 0?
 
how long does it take to become a Thetan 6, they are like the all powerful Scientologists.
Tom Cruise is only a 4 and he can heal people....what the fuck can Thetan 6's do?
 
[quote name='Kayden']So, a burning, talking bush is out of the question... but a shiny specter that knows all is more feasible?[/QUOTE]

You know what I'm going to love about every response that's going to critique the Creation, the Garden of Eden and the burning bush? All three were in the Book of Genesis which is part of the Christian Old Testament, the Jewish Torah, more specifically the Pentateuch and is also recognized by the Church of Later Day Saints and even more shocking to you, Muslims. So basically any Abrahamic derived religion is going to believe those events in a literal sense.

So while I know none of you have cares for offending Christian sensibilities and defiling Christian beliefs by fiat you will also be anti-Semitic and anti-Islamic as well. You don't really want to go on record as being either of those do you?

Do you?

Sometimes its just too easy to make the lot of you look foolish.
 
[quote name='PAD']The upper levels are known as the "OT Levels" - they claim to make participants into "Operating Thetans" with superhuman abilities. Eight levels (OT I - VIII) have been released. Additional levels have been promised for years. Much of the material of the OT Levels deals with space aliens - eradicating mental implants we supposedly received from them, and ridding our bodies of the spirits of alien beings that are stuck to us.

What else does Scientology teach?

A big part of Scientology, especially upper-level Scientology, involves postulates - basically, making things happen by believing in them hard enough.
[/quote]

[quote name='MrBadExample']Will this be available for Xbox 360? :)[/QUOTE]

It's already out for XBOX1, it's called Advent Rising:
and its super glitchy. Though the next two in the Advent Trilogy might be out for X360 ;)

FYI it is also available on DVD under the name Battlefield Earth.

So get your scientology on!
 
I do gotta say it seems all the members are always happy. To me this is the one religion more ridiculous than the Morman faith
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']You know what I'm going to love about every response that's going to critique the Creation, the Garden of Eden and the burning bush? All three were in the Book of Genesis which is part of the Christian Old Testament, the Jewish Torah, more specifically the Pentateuch and is also recognized by the Church of Later Day Saints and even more shocking to you, Muslims. So basically any Abrahamic derived religion is going to believe those events in a literal sense.

So while I know none of you have cares for offending Christian sensibilities and defiling Christian beliefs by fiat you will also be anti-Semitic and anti-Islamic as well. You don't really want to go on record as being either of those do you?

Do you?

Sometimes its just too easy to make the lot of you look foolish.[/QUOTE]

Wow. That was by far the worst argument for the belief in Creation that I have ever read. I should believe in the Garden of Eden because if I don't, I'm "offending Christian sensibilities" and "defiling Christian beliefs?" I'm sorry some of you right-wingers are so insecure about your chosen religion, but it's not my responsibility to reinforce your deluded beliefs.

Does not believing in Judaism make me an anti-Semite? No. If I made Jew jokes or painted swastikas on the side of a building, that would make me an anti-Semite. Not believing in the Koran doesn't make me anti-Islamic. If I said we need to go into the Middle-East to convert all Muslims to Christianity by force (I'm looking at you, Ann Coulter), that would be anti-Islamic.
 
Also, all religions are equally crazy and self serving. Don't try to delude yourself into believing otherwise. If Scientology stays around for 2000 years, we'd give that a lot more reverence too.
 
Personally I don't care if it's a cult, most religions seem to have plenty of cultists running wild in their ranks. My problem is how fucking annoying it is listening to Tom Cruse of all people preaching.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']You know what I'm going to love about every response that's going to critique the Creation, the Garden of Eden and the burning bush? All three were in the Book of Genesis which is part of the Christian Old Testament, the Jewish Torah, more specifically the Pentateuch and is also recognized by the Church of Later Day Saints and even more shocking to you, Muslims. So basically any Abrahamic derived religion is going to believe those events in a literal sense.

So while I know none of you have cares for offending Christian sensibilities and defiling Christian beliefs by fiat you will also be anti-Semitic and anti-Islamic as well. You don't really want to go on record as being either of those do you?

Do you?

Sometimes its just too easy to make the lot of you look foolish.[/QUOTE]

I don't hate any in the way being called anti-semitic. I hate the fact that religion is used as a crutch for a lot of people that can't accept the world around them.
Why is the fact that the muslims share a part of the same ideas supposed to shock me? I detest any organized religion. If you want to label me as anti-islam you go right ahead and get your shock value.
 
Most people need religion, this is not in a bad or good way, they just do better and are happier knowing there's something else. It has nothing to do with hating religion or religions, but, at the end of the day, you hate some religions while I don't (suicidal cults excluded, obviously).
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Actually L Ron Hubbard claimed he could make more money from creating a relgion given the tax status it's granted around the world than from writing, which wasn't hard considering he was a failed science fiction writer.

It was about the only thing in life he was right about. However, just take a look at his religion and you have to wonder just how stupid Scientologists really are.[/QUOTE]

Yes, just a little bit of research would show that L Ron Hubbard ripped off the rituals of Crowley/Golden Dawn neo-Hermeticism, fused it with his own bad science fiction, and then ran off with the money (and girl) of Jack Parsons to fund his now "billion dollar scam"

However it's no sillier then a vapid Britney Spears getting "Blade style" Kabbalah tattoos down her neck, before taking the time to see that the tattoo writing is complete gibberish:

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I blame dogma, commercialism, and ignorance.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Most people need religion, this is not in a bad or good way, they just do better and are happier knowing there's something else. It has nothing to do with hating religion or religions, but, at the end of the day, you hate some religions while I don't (suicidal cults excluded, obviously).[/QUOTE]

Most people who "need" religion are better off dead.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']Also, all religions are equally crazy and self serving.[/QUOTE]

Does this include the religion of scientific materialism?
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Well, strongly religious people are statistically happier.[/QUOTE]

Strongly religious people are statistically idiots and/or batshit insane. :lol:
 
People with religion are less depressed because they don't see the futility inherent in life. Thats exactly why religions were formed. Well, two fold actually. 1- What better way to get people to follow you than to say if they don't the spend eternity suffering. 2- People as a whole are scared and insecure. Few can come to grips with the idea that once you die you're dead. Humans are so obsessed with the thought that they're the greatest thing in the universe that the very thought of some magical kingdom being reserved for them is the only 'reasonable' solution they can come up with concerning the afterlife. Simply dying and being the end is proposterous to the human mind because we're just sooooo fuckin special. :roll:
It's been said for centuries. Ignorance is bliss. Would I rather be all bright and happy and be wrong instead of thinking theirs no point to life? It'd be nice, but I'm not going to -as I view it- lie to myself and others. I don't believe in heaven/God nor do I want to have kids. Religiously and biologically, there's no real point to my life. I'm pretty much just living because society says I must.
 
[quote name='Kayden']People with religion are less depressed because they don't see the futility inherent in life. Thats exactly why religions were formed. ...It's been said for centuries. Ignorance is bliss. Would I rather be all bright and happy and be wrong instead of thinking theirs no point to life? It'd be nice, but I'm not going to -as I view it- lie to myself and others.[/QUOTE]

I find it interesting that you make a point of bashing all religions/religious people as being ignorant, then paint yourself as a modern day hero for believing in the "truth" (which I assume you base on some mix of empiricism, rationalism and science)

Most people forget that the senses they come to trust in their conscious state - namely sight, smell, taste, hearing, and touch - have been proven to be illusory and faulty. Logic cannot be exalted as a system for discovering the ultimate truth (in an "a priori" sense), because even by it's own standards it's legitimacy is hampered by the fact that it is a self-referential system.

I agree that we as people should not fall into a "lust for result", and believe in magical paradise kingdoms after life simply because we cannot bear the thought of our body rotting in the ground. However I also believe that there is some truth that lies outside the view of the scientist's microscope and the physicist's "Grand Unifying Theory"
 
[quote name='Kayden']People with religion are less depressed because they don't see the futility inherent in life. Thats exactly why religions were formed. Well, two fold actually. 1- What better way to get people to follow you than to say if they don't the spend eternity suffering. 2- People as a whole are scared and insecure. Few can come to grips with the idea that once you die you're dead. Humans are so obsessed with the thought that they're the greatest thing in the universe that the very thought of some magical kingdom being reserved for them is the only 'reasonable' solution they can come up with concerning the afterlife. Simply dying and being the end is proposterous to the human mind because we're just sooooo fuckin special. :roll:
It's been said for centuries. Ignorance is bliss. Would I rather be all bright and happy and be wrong instead of thinking theirs no point to life? It'd be nice, but I'm not going to -as I view it- lie to myself and others. I don't believe in heaven/God nor do I want to have kids. Religiously and biologically, there's no real point to my life. I'm pretty much just living because society says I must.[/QUOTE]

Are you sure we aren't the same person? :lol:
 
I have no idea what the truth is, and I'm not claiming to know it. I have no idea what the truth is about anything. No one does. I certainly don't wish to paint myself as some type of 'hero.' However, not knowing the answers doesn't make me want to cling to self absorbed delusions of grandeur and fairy tales. Is there more than what we can see? Breathing certainly proves that point. That doesn't mean I'm going to jump on the 'the big all knowing guy in the sky made a kindom for me' bandwagon.

[quote name='camoor']I find it interesting that you make a point of bashing all religions/religious people as being ignorant, then paint yourself as a modern day hero for believing in the "truth" (which I assume you base on some mix of empiricism, rationalism and science)

Most people forget that the senses they come to trust in their conscious state - namely sight, smell, taste, hearing, and touch - have been proven to be illusory and faulty. Logic cannot be exalted as a system for discovering the ultimate truth (in an "a priori" sense), because even by it's own standards it's legitimacy is hampered by the fact that it is a self-referential system.

I agree that we as people should not fall into a "lust for result", and believe in magical paradise kingdoms after life simply because we cannot bear the thought of our body rotting in the ground. However I also believe that there is some truth that lies outside the view of the scientist's microscope and the physicist's "Grand Unifying Theory"[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']Are you sure we aren't the same person? :lol:[/QUOTE]

If we were the same person, one of us would of killed us from lack of sex.
 
[quote name='Kayden']If we were the same person, one of us would of killed us from lack of sex.[/QUOTE]

You know sex actually is not essential to our survival. :lol:
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']You know sex actually is not essential to our survival. :lol:[/QUOTE]

Maybe not YOUR survival. Videogames and anime can only get me so far.
 
[quote name='Kayden']Maybe not YOUR survival. Videogames and anime can only get me so far.[/QUOTE]

Those aren't essential either ... I haven't even played a game in at least a couple weeks. :lol:
 
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