Anyone else dislike the idea of wireless controllers?

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I always liked longer cords, yes, but wireless controllers? I hope they still
'rumble' as the Wavebird does not. I also don't like the idea of charging them. I don't really like charging my PSP and Cell Phone, why would I want something else to charge? I assume that you can charge them while playing. But, if not, can you imagine this scenario:

I can't play my PS3 or XBox 360 for a few hours. I forgot to charge my controller last night.
 
[quote name='gmzone']I always liked longer cords, yes, but wireless controllers? I hope they still
'rumble' as the Wavebird does not. I also don't like the idea of charging them. I don't really like charging my PSP and Cell Phone, why would I want something else to charge? I assume that you can charge them while playing. But, if not, can you imagine this scenario:

I can't play my PS3 or XBox 360 for a few hours. I forgot to charge my controller last night.[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure that none of the big three would be so stupid as to let that scenario happen.

Also, technology and battery life have advanced since the Wavebird was developed. Also, recharging would allow for rumble/gyros in a wireless controller. The reason Wavebird didn't have rumble is because it was for regular batteries and they didn't want people to have to change them every hour.

Seriously, I don't know why there are so many threads on this and why it finally dawned on everyone this weekend that it would be a "problem" (which it really isn't).
 
I'm fine with it, but the second a game doesn't detect a button press because something was obstructing the signal or some other crap, all hell will break loose.
 
I've been saying that they need to make universal wireless controllers for a long time now...
How can you NOT like a wireless controller??
They can clone animals, so I'm sure they can make a wireless controller with limited flaws...
-Goatman
 
[quote name='goatindaruffness']I've been saying that they need to make universal wireless controllers for a long time now...
How can you NOT like a wireless controller??
They can clone animals, so I'm sure they can make a wireless controller with limited flaws...
-Goatman[/QUOTE]

They've cloned animals!?!
 
I luv me some wireless controllers, however I see the potential for your plight...last night I got stuck suddenly *sucking* in Pshyconauts, when just as suddenly I realized (well, after a few minutes/deaths) that it was my logitech controller dying on me and henseforth was being...wonky. -_-

how sad, I actually had to move my butt and plug in another contoller, no big deal, and something that can be easily avoided with a detatcable cord...huh...controllers with cords that detatch...wonder who that sounds like? ;)

edit: Pete and Pete SUCK. That is all.
 
[quote name='lionheart4life']I'm fine with it, but the second a game doesn't detect a button press because something was obstructing the signal or some other crap, all hell will break loose.[/QUOTE]

Have you ever used a Wavebird? That doesn't happen. And if it does, your Wavebird is broken. And that is old technology. Things will work great for all three systems.
 
As long as there is a way to play them while charging I'm looking forward to it. I know the 360 will be able to but have they said if Ps3 will?
 
the recharging wires plug directly into the xbox 360's ports and have detachable cables, hence allowing them to become essentially wired controllers just like the current xbox's controllers. The controllers also have 3 settings for the rumbling, making the rumble feature even better than the current controllers.

everyone wins
 
Honestly, I don't really need wireless controllers, but hey, i'm not gonna complain about them. I have no worries about them not being charged up.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Rumble = Gimmick
Wavebird = Heaven[/QUOTE]
I don't see how people can hate rumble/force feedback as it's a great form of tactile feedback that give you a physical form of feedback on what's happening on the screen. It's been around for at least 10 years, and I don't see it going away anytime soon.
 
once u go wireless u stop caring about rumble and u can lay ur controller anywhere in the room
and rumble will probably be in the wireless controllers(like the logitech ones)just takes away some battery life

i know the wavebird batteries last for months
my logitech xbox wireless is also lasting longer than expected(withhout rumble)
and if u want feedback from whats going on onscreen then just get surround sound and a nice subwoofer, shake the whole house instead of ur hands

i think its like having a tv controller with a cord, y would anyone want that?
 
[quote name='gmzone']I always liked longer cords, yes, but wireless controllers? I hope they still
'rumble' as the Wavebird does not. I also don't like the idea of charging them. I don't really like charging my PSP and Cell Phone, why would I want something else to charge? I assume that you can charge them while playing. But, if not, can you imagine this scenario:

I can't play my PS3 or XBox 360 for a few hours. I forgot to charge my controller last night.[/QUOTE]
I do not like wireless controllers either.

You're not insane.
 
I went all out a while back purchasing wireless controllers for all 3 current gen consoles. Less than 2 months later, I am back to using the good old wired standard. I love the freedom of the wireless controller but for games that require exact movements and such, I found that the wireless controllers make it extremely difficult. I have high hopes that with all the new wireless technology that’s around, these new controllers will not have this issue. I can only keep my fingers crossed.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Rumble = Gimmick
Wavebird = Heaven[/QUOTE]

LOL... I got Wavebirds with my GC when I first hooked it up for the kids. I hadn't played a console since the NES before that. When we got Mario Party 4, I played with the 3rd controller (which was the regular one) and it surprised the hell out of me when it started vibrating. I guess it could be cool, but you certainly don't miss it after playing with Wavebirds all the time.

Since then I've gotten a PS2 and have the regular controllers. They are a mess with kids around - many trippings have occured, but luckily that tiny little PS2 hasn't come flying off the shelf yet because of it. I have the cord extensions and they still BARELY make it to the couch. One thing you need to keep in mind is that with the movement towards bigger TV's (widescreen HDTV, etc) you sit pretty far back, and it is simply impractical to be corded to your game console any more. Though I'm still surprised all three next gens are gonna have wireless controllers - seemed like a nice money-maker to sell them separately.

Now, I have had the batteries die on me when using the Wavebird during some intense portions of games and that is very annoying. By the way, I use rechargeables in them (been doing so for 1 1/2 years) - for some reason Nintendo says not to, but they work just fine. They last about 2-3 months with a few hours of play per day.
 
The only thing that worries me about each system having wireless controllers is the cost of these things. Remember when the DualShock 2s were $30 a pop (more?). These things are going to probably run around $50.
 
[quote name='lebowsky']The only thing that worries me about each system having wireless controllers is the cost of these things. Remember when the DualShock 2s were $30 a pop (more?). These things are going to probably run around $50.[/QUOTE]

Dual Shock 1 and 2's always ran for $29.99, although I remember seeing at least one store that had them for $34.99 long ago.
 
Uh, unless I am mistaken, the new controlllers are WiFi, not RF.

WiFi does not get obstructed, at all, unless everything in your house is made of aluminum foil and lead.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Uh, unless I am mistaken, the new controlllers are WiFi, not RF.

WiFi does not get obstructed, at all, unless everything in your house is made of aluminum foil and lead.[/QUOTE]

Could also be Bluetooth, which seems more likely the driving method behind the controllers than WiFi. WiFi is best used for networking, while Bluetooth is much better suited for peripherals.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Uh, unless I am mistaken, the new controlllers are WiFi, not RF.

WiFi does not get obstructed, at all, unless everything in your house is made of aluminum foil and lead.[/QUOTE]

WiFI is just a specific RF digital communications standard. RF is an all-encompassing term for anything using electromagnetic radiation to transmit information within a certain spectrum.
 
[quote name='shrike4242']Could also be Bluetooth, which seems more likely the driving method behind the controllers than WiFi. WiFi is best used for networking, while Bluetooth is much better suited for peripherals.[/QUOTE]

A major difference is that Bluetooth is targeted to very short range, ergo the Personal Area Network (PAN) concept. This keeps the power draw a lot lower. WiFi would be overkill in terms of range and annoying in an apartment building where a lot of other competing traffic could be present.

The 360 controllers probably aren't Bluetooth. If they were buzzword compatible they'd be sure to promote it as Sony is. They're likely using any of several lightweight protocols available for unlicensed spectrum use. Some of those are subsets of Bluetooth that are cheaper because they eliminate support for certain functions that would be superfluous to a game console and other intended applications. If people wanted to talk to printers from their Xbox 360 the recommended method would be to work through a PC that knows about the printer.
 
[quote name='epobirs']WiFI is just a specific RF digital communications standard. RF is an all-encompassing term for anything using electromagnetic radiation to transmit information within a certain spectrum.[/QUOTE]

By RF I meant shitty oldschool, because the term is rarely used anymore.
 
The only thing that concerns me about wireless controllers is response time. Those tenths of a second really make a difference in twitch games like fighters and FPSs.
 
I've never felt the urge to buy wireless controllers, although I have bought at least one cord extender for all of my machines so I could play while on the treadmill. The extended range was attractive but the cost was always a deal breaker. If a next gen console is reasonably priced and doesn't make the battery issue a hassle I have no objections. Being able to keep the controller at the treadmill or couch and turn on the console remotely is nice, since I'd be perfectly happy to only touch when I'm changing discs.
 
[quote name='Ledhed']The only thing that concerns me about wireless controllers is response time. Those tenths of a second really make a difference in twitch games like fighters and FPSs.[/QUOTE]

Ecept it's not 10ths of a second.

Have you ever used a current generation wireless mouse, or a Wavebird?
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']According to IGN, the 360's controllers use the 2.4 GHz RF signal.[/QUOTE]

Wtf? That is the same as almost all cordless telephones!
 
[quote name='epobirs']Being able to keep the controller at the treadmill or couch and turn on the console remotely is nice, since I'd be perfectly happy to only touch when I'm changing discs.[/QUOTE]

Yes, remotely powering on/off has been long overdue. Though I suppose it wasn't really a concern until now with each company appearing to be taking the wireless route.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']By RF I meant shitty oldschool, because the term is rarely used anymore.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps where you hang out but I spend too much time around people who get annoyed if you use tech terms incorrectly. If you mean a specific implementation they expect that to be specified rather than vagueness. So it's force of habit.
 
I don't really mind wireless, but I don't see the point in it either. Sure its great that you can travel X amount of miles away from your console and still have the controller work, but eye sight only works from so far away... Its not like you need all that extra room, at least not in most people's case, because you set up a couch or chair or whatever in front of your T.V. that is placed relatively close to you. I suppose tripping could be an issue, but how hard is it to watch your step? As for little kids... if they fall on their face/break a controller, let them deal with the consequences. It'll be a great learning experience on responsibility. Oh, and for those of you that need to jump around when you play (dodging things and whatnot) just don't... it looks silly ;)

Moral: Wireless=O.K. but unnecessary.
Kids=Meh around expensive stuff.
Rumble= Not a gimmick, a sweet addition to more fully immerse your self in the game (REZ!!!!)
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Ecept it's not 10ths of a second.

Have you ever used a current generation wireless mouse, or a Wavebird?[/QUOTE]

Using a wireless mouse right now actually. 10ths was an overshoot, I'll admit. But I've never once used any wireless device of any frequency that didn't give me input lag at some point.

Believe me, it's a tiny gripe, and certainly not something that will prevent me from endorsing the idea of wireless controllers. I'm just going on my own personal experience with (all) wireless products. It'll never be as good as a wired connection.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Wtf? That is the same as almost all cordless telephones![/QUOTE]

A lot of them, especially the cheapest, are still 900 MHz. 2400 is the most popular choice in unlicensed spectrum. It has good characteristics for the cost, tons of off the shelf parts available, and lots of experience engineers. The 5K range is still not very popular. 802.11a was supposed to be the next big thing but the cost and continued growth of performance in the lower range (the upcoming 802.11n standard is still in there) has kept it from reaching its goals.
 
[quote name='PenguinMaster']You can play while charging using the USB cable and they include rumble. You really should read more before complaining.[/QUOTE]

If this wasn't the case, then yes, I would be upset, but since you can charge while playing, and rumble is still included, I couldn't be happier (hugs wavebird)
 
[quote name='epobirs']I've never felt the urge to buy wireless controllers, although I have bought at least one cord extender for all of my machines so I could play while on the treadmill. [/QUOTE]

I hope you meant "stationary bike" or maybe even an "elliptical machine" because if you can play on the treadmill you aren't running hard enough... :D Great idea though...

Also, rumble is an awesome feature - I don't see why people don't like it. There's nothing cooler than trying to snipe someone from 100 yards away and the rumble on low because you are "nervous" and having a hard time with a steady aim...
 
I only wish you could turn the console on and off with the controller, so I could shut it off at night with out getting out of bed, for instance, but the problem with that is you might accidentally turn off the power while you were playing.
 
[quote name='BIG5']I only wish you could turn the console on and off with the controller, so I could shut it off at night with out getting out of bed, for instance, but the problem with that is you might accidentally turn off the power while you were playing.[/QUOTE]

It'd be very simple to have a power-on one-button process, and a multiple-button power-off process to prevent that sort of accident. The original PSX required you to hold down almost all of the buttons to do a soft reset.
 
[quote name='BIG5']I only wish you could turn the console on and off with the controller, so I could shut it off at night with out getting out of bed, for instance, but the problem with that is you might accidentally turn off the power while you were playing.[/QUOTE]

Did that by accident on my DS before, even though its kind of hard to do.

Although I'm not completely sold on wireless, another upside is that you don't have to worry about people tripping over/pulling the controller too far and knocking the system on the ground. This hasn't happened to me, but I'm sure its a problem for someone.
 
I'm not a big fan of wireless controllers. If they can work through a table and blanket, then I'll be cool, but I doubt they'll be that powerful.

Will make it easier to pack up for travelling though.
 
I hate the idea of wireless controllers by default. I've used wavebirds and I'm still not convinced. More than a couple times, I've been playing a game with weak batteries and had spotty and unresponsive controls. And there is an input lag. It might not be overly perceptible, but it's there.

Battery technology is too immature at this point. Even with rechargeable NiMHs, I have to worry about keeping it charged all the time and over time they'll lose their capacity to a point where it won't be useful for me anymore and I'll have to replace them. God help us if they go the non-replaceable route. Then I'll have to buy a whole new controller.
 
[quote name='wubb']I'm not a big fan of wireless controllers. If they can work through a table and blanket, then I'll be cool, but I doubt they'll be that powerful.
[/QUOTE]

You have never owned an RF wireless device, have you?

It is a lot different from infrared, which is what you are probably thinking of.
 
[quote name='Ledhed']The only thing that concerns me about wireless controllers is response time. Those tenths of a second really make a difference in twitch games like fighters and FPSs.[/QUOTE]

I was always worried about that too, but now I've gone wireless and will never go back. I do remember hearing years ago there was a slight delay at times. There isn't any delay time at all, the only difference with current generation wireless controllers is that they don't have the rumble feature. I've never had any problems with weird responses or anything, I would probably think it was defective if I did.

[quote name='wubb']
I'm not a big fan of wireless controllers. If they can work through a table and blanket, then I'll be cool, but I doubt they'll be that powerful.[/QUOTE]

Actually, yes, they do work through blankets and anything like that. I can be anywhere in the room (who knows how far away, I haven't tried more than 10 feet), and put the controller ANYWHERE and it will work fine.

Wireless controllers are a big plus for me, since my systems are in a TV stand cabinet, so when I play PS2 I have to sit pretty close to the TV (not to mention people tripping over the stupid thing). I like playing on the Gamecube since I can sit wherever I want and not worry about the cord. I would get a third party PS2 wireless controller but I'm wary about third party stuff, plus I love the official one.
 
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