I've only played Black briefly at a friend's house and I couldn't really get into it. I think the Twisted Metal series was messed up by singletrac selling the property to sony, and sony thinking that gamers are looking for more realistic games like Vigilante 8. The problem that I had with 3&4 was the physics engine. I was used to flipping around with Mr. Grim, nailing an oppenent, and then jetting down the road to recover some specials. You can barely even turn in 3&4, and if you try something daring, you can expect your car to turn over and leave you defenseless. I'm actually hoping that the Twisted Metal 2 remake will turn out pretty bad, because that's the type of game that actually makes me consider shelling out an excessive amount of money on a system i'll see little use of.