Anyone using Dolby pro Logic sound?

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So I got an audio cable extender, and plugged my Wii into my reciever, but sound is only coming out of the left, right, center and sub. I thought Pro Logic simulated surround? How come it is not coming out of the back?

I was hoping to make Zelda even more epic, if that were possible ;)
 
Never mind, got the rear ones working by turning it into dolby pro logic 2, I had it set to just dolby pro logic.

Hmmm now to use movie mode or music mode, Im assuming movie mode.
 
Pro-Logic is only 3 speakers (plus sub), so yeah, that's why.
Wii doesn't support pro-logic 2 though does it?
I'm guessing it just copes the sound out of the left and right to the back speakers.
 
seanr, it sounds like you are talking about the sony 5.1 system... I say so since you mentioned the music and movie modes. Question, have you had issues using the system for surround sound through the coaxial input? I have my hdmi player hooked to the system through the receiver and when the afc is set to auto it doesnt play in 5.1 sound unless switched to dolby pro logic II. What setting is it that will play true 5.1 surround sound??
 
[quote name='BasketCase1080']seanr, it sounds like you are talking about the sony 5.1 system... I say so since you mentioned the music and movie modes. Question, have you had issues using the system for surround sound through the coaxial input? I have my hdmi player hooked to the system through the receiver and when the afc is set to auto it doesnt play in 5.1 sound unless switched to dolby pro logic II. What setting is it that will play true 5.1 surround sound??[/QUOTE]

Hmmm I can't help you there since I only use the optical in with my 360. I can try hooking up a dvd player through coaxial a lil later and get back to you though.

Oh and yes, I am using a Sony one.
 
[quote name='BasketCase1080']seanr, it sounds like you are talking about the sony 5.1 system... I say so since you mentioned the music and movie modes. Question, have you had issues using the system for surround sound through the coaxial input? I have my hdmi player hooked to the system through the receiver and when the afc is set to auto it doesnt play in 5.1 sound unless switched to dolby pro logic II. What setting is it that will play true 5.1 surround sound??[/quote]

Are you using a true 5.1 source?
 
It looks like the Wii will push Pro-Logic II (freaking sweet) to simulate the 5.1. Has anyone gotten this hooked up, and if so, is it just through the standard RCA connections?
 
[quote name='CrimsonPaw']It looks like the Wii will push Pro-Logic II (freaking sweet) to simulate the 5.1. Has anyone gotten this hooked up, and if so, is it just through the standard RCA connections?[/quote]

Yes, it works fine on Zelda. I actually have the standard audio going to the TV for when I just want the TV sound. And the TV is connected through RCA to the receiver. When I disable my TV speakers, it automatically routes to the receiver and sweet Pro Logic II comes out. :D
 
[quote name='dallow']Pro-Logic is only 3 speakers (plus sub), so yeah, that's why.[/quote]
4 channels. Left, right, and matrixed center and surround channels.
 
[quote name='CrimsonPaw']It looks like the Wii will push Pro-Logic II (freaking sweet) to simulate the 5.1. Has anyone gotten this hooked up, and if so, is it just through the standard RCA connections?[/quote]

Works just fine on my setup.

PLII "effects" in Zelda is pretty prounounced.
 
Really wish they had thrown us a bone and offered at least Dolby Digital 5.1 for REAL surround sound.

Of course it'd need an optical out, like the one my GC has.
 
[quote name='dallow']Really wish they had thrown us a bone and offered at least Dolby Digital 5.1 for REAL surround sound.

Of course it'd need an optical out, like the one my GC has.[/quote]

That was my one real "complaint" about the system....no optical out. EVERYTHING (A/V wise) digital on the planet has some form of optical and/or coax out...from my cable box to my xbox 360....in fact, the ONLY other analog (RCA) audio source I have is my aging VCR. But they ditch it on the Wii. One HAS to think that, if the rumored DVD playback version does come stateside it would HAVE to include the optical hook up.
 
[quote name='dallow']Really wish they had thrown us a bone and offered at least Dolby Digital 5.1 for REAL surround sound.

Of course it'd need an optical out, like the one my GC has.[/QUOTE]
Your GameCube has optical out? Mine only has L/R RCA outputs for audio.
 
[quote name='redline']Your GameCube has optical out? Mine only has L/R RCA outputs for audio.[/quote]

Whoa, hehe, I think I'm confusing myself with something.
I haven't used GC in a while, I'll check when I get home.
Didn't early version have some kind of digital audio option or something.... I'll get back to you.
 
[quote name='dallow']Whoa, hehe, I think I'm confusing myself with something.
I haven't used GC in a while, I'll check when I get home.
Didn't early version have some kind of digital audio option or something.... I'll get back to you.[/QUOTE]
It has a port labeled digital out for the component video cables. But you still have to use the L/R RCA cables for sound. Nintendo hasn't quite made it into the Dolby Digital, high-definition age.
 
[quote name='redline']It has a port labeled digital out for the component video cables. But you still have to use the L/R RCA cables for sound. Nintendo hasn't quite made it into the Dolby Digital, high-definition age.[/quote]

There you go.
There's component cables that feature the RCA video cables with an optical wire as well.

Pro-Logic II it is.
 
[quote name='dallow']
There's component cables that feature the RCA video cables with an optical wire as well.

[/QUOTE]

No, there's no component cable for the Cube that has an optical wire. The Nintendo component cable uses the port marked "digital out". The L and R audio come from the standard port and cable used simultaneously with the compoment cable.
 
[quote name='BasketCase1080']seanr, it sounds like you are talking about the sony 5.1 system... I say so since you mentioned the music and movie modes. Question, have you had issues using the system for surround sound through the coaxial input? I have my hdmi player hooked to the system through the receiver and when the afc is set to auto it doesnt play in 5.1 sound unless switched to dolby pro logic II. What setting is it that will play true 5.1 surround sound??[/quote]

If youre using the HDMI pass thru on the receiver, from my understanding, it doesn't do 5.1, only just standard stereo or something. I could be wrong though. And I have a newer receiver, the STR-DG800, which has HDMI pass-thru. I've yet to use the pass thru as I only have one HDMI cable, and thats runnung from my DVR to my TV. If anyone has that model or similar and can get Dolby Digital 5.1 with the pass thru, definatly let me know
 
[quote name='bmulligan']No, there's no component cable for the Cube that has an optical wire. The Nintendo component cable uses the port marked "digital out". The L and R audio come from the standard port and cable used simultaneously with the compoment cable.[/quote]

It's not an official cable that has it.
There's lots of these weird HK component cables that feature an optical wire rather than the two rca cables.

If youre using the HDMI pass thru on the receiver, from my understanding, it doesn't do 5.1, only just standard stereo or something. I could be wrong though. And I have a newer receiver, the STR-DG800, which has HDMI pass-thru. I've yet to use the pass thru as I only have one HDMI cable, and thats runnung from my DVR to my TV. If anyone has that model or similar and can get Dolby Digital 5.1 with the pass thru, definatly let me know
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Isn't HDMI pass-through video only?
You still need to run some audio cables.
 
Hello !

Sorry for the mistakes, I'm french, and sorry to "re-up" the topic.

I have a Wii and I want to buy a 5.1 system (Creative 5700) from a friend. This system has a Dolby Pro Logic decoder but the games of the Wii supports the Dolby Pro Logic II. So, am I able to have Dolby Pro Logic sound ?

I think that Dolby Pro Logic I and II are a decoding system but the games of the Wii are encoded with a Surround system which is compatible with the two decoding system ?

Thank you,
Vincent
 
Are you sure ?
Because Dolby Digital is a real 5.1 decoding system whereas Dolby Pro Logic I and II are a matrix system...
Dolby Digital technology released before Pro Logic II ...
So it is weird that Dolby Digital can support Pro Logic II.
 
[quote name='Douflou']Are you sure ?
Because Dolby Digital is a real 5.1 decoding system whereas Dolby Pro Logic I and II are a matrix system...
Dolby Digital technology released before Pro Logic II ...
So it is weird that Dolby Digital can support Pro Logic II.[/QUOTE]

Dolby Digital doesn't mean automatic DPL support. Bmulligan meant that pretty much any receiver that supports DD will most likely support DPL at least.

There's not such thing as games with DPL or DPLII sound... games (and any other source) can only be enhanced to support those formats. DPL just takes stereo and as you said, creates a matrix.

So with a DPL system, you'll get DPL audio even if the source is DPLII.
 
Ok, thank you.
But, you said that games can only be enhanced with DPL. Is it true ? In Xbox 360 and PS3, the games are with Dolby Digital ... sorry if I don't understand everything.

And I have a technical question.
I think that games compatible DPLII (and DPL) are "encoded" with a special system (Surround) and are not only stereo. Am I right ?
Because one of the evolutions of DPLII is that it can simulate a 5.1 system from any stereo sources so DPL can't simulate 5.1 from any stereo sources.
 
thanks for correcting me, Vinny. You're re right about Pro Logic II, I forgot it came out after digital 5.1. But, as far as I know, every 5.1 digital receiver has legacy pro-logic I support, but not pro logic II.

Pro logic is 4 channel output (matrixed) from 2 channel input- pro logic II is 5 channel(matrixed). Nothing will playback unless inputed through a decoder(receiver), though. Games, specifically Wi games, can be encoded with PLI or PL2 with only L-R outputs. But you will only get output PL or PLII with a compatible receiver.
 
[quote name='Douflou']Ok, thank you.
But, you said that games can only be enhanced with DPL. Is it true ? In Xbox 360 and PS3, the games are with Dolby Digital ... sorry if I don't understand everything.

And I have a technical question.
I think that games compatible DPLII (and DPL) are "encoded" with a special system (Surround) and are not only stereo. Am I right ?
Because one of the evolutions of DPLII is that it can simulate a 5.1 system from any stereo sources so DPL can't simulate 5.1 from any stereo sources.[/QUOTE]

Dolby Digital audio is completely different from DPL/stereo in how it's encoded.

A game with Dolby Digital 5.1 has to be encoded with 5.1 separate channels of audio. Dolby Digital is higher quality and a lot more accurate, hence it requires a higher format of encoding. The decoder (whatever plays your audio- like your receiver) has to know what channel to output a specific sound from.

DPL and DPLII on the other hand just read stereo audio and then calculate a matrix to stimulate surround. Basically, they take the two channels that are available to them and calculate what channel should output.

And as far as I understand, DPL and DPLII games just contain 1 stereo track and a matrix for when the user wants DPL or DPLII. When you enable surround sound in the game, the system outputs the stereo track with the matrix. That way, the decoder has a better idea for how to stimulate surround sound than it would with just a stereo track.
 
I read some informations about Dolby Surround, Dolby Pro Logic and Dolby Pro Logic II.

So, for Dolby Surround (1982) : this is the first technology of Dolby for stimulate a surround system. It's a 3 channels (left, right and surround in mono : the two rear speakers produce the same sound) system. The stereo source has to be encoded in surround (along with a matrix). But there is a limitation of frequency for the surround : it is limited to 7kHz (but what means this limitation ? less treble or less bass ?).

For DPL (1987) : this is an evolution of Dolby Surround. It supports now 4 channels (left, center, right, and surround still in mono.) but has always the limitation of 7kHz and always needs a stereo source encoded in surround (along with a matrix). If you have a subwoofer, it will produce bass sound but there is no attributed channel.

For DPLII (2000) : this is the biggest evolution : it supports 6 channels (right, left, center, right surround, left surround and subwoofer). The surround speakers are in stereo and have no longer the limitation of 7kHz. The subwoofer have his channel.
And the last evolution of the DPLII is that it can now stimulate a 5.1 system from all stereo sources (not only these encoded in surround).
It has two mode : movie, for the stereo sources encoded with surround and music for the only stereo sources.

There is a last evolution (Dolby Pro Logic IIx) which is more complicated.

Every evolution has a better matrix technology than the previous one.

So, Wii games are encoded (can we really say encoded?) with Surround so the decoders with Dolby Surround, DP and DPII are compatible.

I made this post to help some people who wondered about theses technology, like me some hours ago :D

Thank you for your help, if you have more informations, tell it ;)

And sorry for all the mistakes I made !

EDIT : as Vinny said, it is better to say that there is a matrix added to the two stereo channels instead of saying that the source is encoded.
 
OK so I'm pretty technology retarded but I'm trying to learn. But I have a question about the set-up and the surround sound question posed in this thread. Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks to various black friday deals I will be getting this TV and this surround sound.

Now to my knowledge I will connect the TV and the DVD/audio reciever into the TV thru HDMI and audio cables. (in order to make the DVD player play on the TV)

Then I will have to take the audio out on the side panel of the TV and plug it into the DVD/reciever (in order to make my TV surround sound).

FINALLY - I will then plug the Wii into the component inputs on the side of the TV.

1) Is this the correct set up?
2) Will this make the Wii surround sound?

(I could post pics of the inputs on both the tv and surround sound if it helps - but they can be found on the links. The K-mart site is easy, but for Circuit City just click on demo under the main picture and then click on Getting Connected on that screen. The back of the DVD/reciever is at the bottom of that page)

Thanks!!!
 
[quote name='dallow']Really wish they had thrown us a bone and offered at least Dolby Digital 5.1 for REAL surround sound.
[/QUOTE]

Yep, after lack of 720p, the lack of REAL surround is the other big hardware detractor for me.

My receiver doesn't do Pro Logic II, so best I can do is plain old Pro Logic. I can at least get sound in my rears too, but it's just the same as what's coming from the front left and rights.
 
[quote name='CombatCraig']Now to my knowledge I will connect the TV and the DVD/audio reciever into the TV thru HDMI and audio cables. (in order to make the DVD player play on the TV)

Then I will have to take the audio out on the side panel of the TV and plug it into the DVD/reciever (in order to make my TV surround sound).

FINALLY - I will then plug the Wii into the component inputs on the side of the TV.[/QUOTE]
Hello!
You have only stereo outputs on the TV and stereo inputs on the DVD/5.1 system, so you can't have 5.1 sound from TV programs, but only from DVD. So you plug the DVD/surround system with HDMI cable (wich transports audio and video) to the TV.
For the Wii, (see : THIS) you have to plug the red, blue and green cable into the TV and the red and white cable behind your DVD/surround system to have Pro Logic II sound.

Maybe I'm wrong.
 
[quote name='CombatCraig']OK so I'm pretty technology retarded but I'm trying to learn. But I have a question about the set-up and the surround sound question posed in this thread. Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks to various black friday deals I will be getting this TV and this surround sound.

Now to my knowledge I will connect the TV and the DVD/audio reciever into the TV thru HDMI and audio cables. (in order to make the DVD player play on the TV)

Then I will have to take the audio out on the side panel of the TV and plug it into the DVD/reciever (in order to make my TV surround sound).

FINALLY - I will then plug the Wii into the component inputs on the side of the TV.

1) Is this the correct set up?
2) Will this make the Wii surround sound?

(I could post pics of the inputs on both the tv and surround sound if it helps - but they can be found on the links. The K-mart site is easy, but for Circuit City just click on demo under the main picture and then click on Getting Connected on that screen. The back of the DVD/reciever is at the bottom of that page)

Thanks!!![/QUOTE]

Douflou summed it nicely.

Theoretically, yes, all that should work but every time you pass through audio through another source (ie, Wii to TV to the receiver), not all of the audio signal will be carried over so you'll probably lose most of the matrix the Wii outputs.

There are very few TV shows that output in surround sound and zero, AFAIK, that output in 5.1... even if you have HD service, the audio isn't always high quality. So it's not really worth it to get surround out of your TV.

You're better off hooking up the Wii via component to the TV and getting some cheap extension audio cables from RadioShack and hooking up the audio to the receiver.
 
[quote name='Vinny']Douflou summed it nicely.

Theoretically, yes, all that should work but every time you pass through audio through another source (ie, Wii to TV to the receiver), not all of the audio signal will be carried over so you'll probably lose most of the matrix the Wii outputs.

There are very few TV shows that output in surround sound and zero, AFAIK, that output in 5.1... even if you have HD service, the audio isn't always high quality. So it's not really worth it to get surround out of your TV.

You're better off hooking up the Wii via component to the TV and getting some cheap extension audio cables from RadioShack and hooking up the audio to the receiver.[/QUOTE]

So I'm just looking to have the DVD player and Wii in surround sound?

Also, I asked the same question in the Other Deals forum and they are all telling me to avoid the DVD/receiver combos.
 
Yeah, a general role of thumb is machines that combine more than one function together suck compared to even a decent, affordable stand alone options.

So I'd stay away from DVD/receiver combos and spend a bit more and get a receiver and dvd player separate personally.

There's a decent bit of HD programming that has 5.1 sound, network primetime shows, sports, etc. etc., so I'd think you'd want to hook that up as well--assuming that you have an HD set and HD programming.
 
As long as we're on the topic, does anyone else have to manually select Dolby PL II on their receiver? The Wii doesn't send the signal for PLII or widescreen automatically, which is kinda annoying. It's not like my receiver's a pushover either... I promise you it's not.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, a general role of thumb is machines that combine more than one function together suck compared to even a decent, affordable stand alone options.

So I'd stay away from DVD/receiver combos and spend a bit more and get a receiver and dvd player separate personally.

There's a decent bit of HD programming that has 5.1 sound, network primetime shows, sports, etc. etc., so I'd think you'd want to hook that up as well--assuming that you have an HD set and HD programming.[/QUOTE]

No HD programming here - can barely pay for digital cable as it is

I normally couldn't afford this TV either but I need a new one bad and I just found a great black friday deal I couldn't pass up. I know it's stupid to have HD tv without HD cable but hey it's a new TV!

I think I'm going to go for a 5.1 system and get an upconvert DVD player. That way DVD's and Wii can be surround and look great (I hope)
 
Upconverted DVDs look great, as long as they are anamorphic and have a good transfer.

You may want to check in and see how much adding HD is. It's $6 here with comcast. And you can get it without digital cable access if you so choose (i.e. you'll have the box but just get the basic channels and the HD channels).

Or if you have cable, call and threaten to go to satellite and see what kind of deals you get. We got a great one for the next year by doing that. $66 (before fees and taxes--$73.xx total) for basic, digital gold, HD and high speed internet. Was like $130 or so before.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Upconverted DVDs look great, as long as they are anamorphic and have a good transfer.

You may want to check in and see how much adding HD is. It's $6 here with comcast. And you can get it without digital cable access if you so choose (i.e. you'll have the box but just get the basic channels and the HD channels).

Or if you have cable, call and threaten to go to satellite and see what kind of deals you get. We got a great one for the next year by doing that. $66 (before fees and taxes--$73.xx total) for basic, digital gold, HD and high speed internet. Was like $130 or so before.[/quote]

I might try that - we have Comcast!
 
Wow so I think getting this new TV was the worst thing I could do for GH3

The lag is now making the game impossible to play! We've calibrated the thing for 2 hours straight and nothing. You can KIND OF play it if you know how to play guitar for real and mimic the song - but the beat dots are WAY off.

I keep reading online that there is no fix for this at all.

Any help please!!!
 
[quote name='Chacrana']As long as we're on the topic, does anyone else have to manually select Dolby PL II on their receiver? The Wii doesn't send the signal for PLII or widescreen automatically, which is kinda annoying. It's not like my receiver's a pushover either... I promise you it's not.[/quote]You always have to.
 
Do you mean that you always have to for PLII? My receiver automatically goes to the correct Dolby Digital setting from my DVD player and my 360.
 
[quote name='CombatCraig']I keep reading online that there is no fix for this at all.[/QUOTE]
I don't know the words to describe your problem in english but, it is a problem of "remanence", "latence" in french. Your screen is too slow to play. If someone can confirm ...

[quote name='CouRageouS']Do you mean that you always have to for PLII? My receiver automatically goes to the correct Dolby Digital setting from my DVD player and my 360.[/QUOTE]
I think it is because your DVD player and XBox 360 output Dolby Digital sound, and this information is transported by the cable, whereas with Dolby Pro Logic, this is stereo sound, so the receiver can't know if it is only stereo or stereo with a matrix. You have to told him what to do with the sound.
 
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