Arabs now control 6 Major US Ports .

[quote name='bmulligan'] You realize that he was kicked out of the UAE, right? You also realize Osama's sworn jihad against the Saudi families, right? You realize it's because they allow the infidels to land their war planes and dock their warships there, right? You realize that the UAE won't be "controlling" or "owning" our ports, right? You also realize your quoted article says Bin Laden "might" have been at the camp, right? And that it was during the Clintonista administration, right? You realize you are the one assuming all arabs are terrorists, not Bush, right ?[/QUOTE]

If all that blather was an attempt to make an argument, you really failed, bmulligan. Stating assertions doesn't make them the truth, even if you follow them with "Right?"

For example, I hope you do realize that the UAE and Saudi Arabia are two different countries. Thusly, bringing the Saudis into this argument explodes your argument that the critics of the port deal are the ones who lump all arabs together. Hell, you're the one trying to lump the UAE and the Saudis together.

And you realize that Saddam had no ties to al Queda, and that Osama despised Saddam, correct? So why are we in Iraq if not all arabs are terrorists? Why did Bush flog this war if not all arabs are terrorists, and have us attack in the wrong direction at the expense of our national defense?

You can't have it both ways, bmulligan, no matter how much smoke you blow. The fact remains that the UAE has more ties to Osama than Iraq ever did -- if for no other reason than exactly ZERO of the 9-11 terrorists came from Iraq.

As far as the danger of allowing the UAE access to our ports, I will once again refer to the Bush administration official who details some of the mischief that can be done through this very, very bad decision:

Joseph King, who headed the customs agency's anti-terrorism efforts under the Treasury Department and the new Department of Homeland Security, said national security fears are well grounded.

He said a company the size of Dubai Ports World would be able to get hundreds of visas to relocate managers and other employees to the United States. Using appeals to Muslim solidarity or threats of violence, al-Qaeda operatives could force low-level managers to provide some of those visas to al-Qaeda sympathizers, said King, who for years tracked similar efforts by organized crime to infiltrate ports in New York and New Jersey. Those sympathizers could obtain legitimate driver's licenses, work permits and mortgages that could then be used by terrorist operatives.

Dubai Ports World could also offer a simple conduit for wire transfers to terrorist operatives in the Middle East. Large wire transfers from individuals would quickly attract federal scrutiny, but such transfers, buried in the dozens of wire transfers a day from Dubai Ports World's operations in the United States to the Middle East would go undetected, King said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/22/AR2006022201609.html?referrer=email
 
they can cause a little mischief, maybe take out a couple thousand again if they get lucky. sure, or they can take advantage of owning american ports and make gazillions of dollars.....like business men would.

unless you are saying that the guys in the UAE are fundamentalist-terrorists first and businessmen second. :roll:
 
[quote name='Apossum']unless you are saying that the guys in the UAE are fundamentalist-terrorists first and businessmen second. :roll:[/QUOTE]

I'm sure most aren't terrorists, but that doesn't mean that ALL aren't businessmen first. I'm sure they have a handful that are al-qaeda sympathizers that could easily infiltrate the company as low-level managers.
 
You can't have it both ways, bmulligan, no matter how much smoke you blow. The fact remains that the UAE has more ties to Osama than Iraq ever did -- if for no other reason than exactly ZERO of the 9-11 terrorists came from Iraq.

Well, considering al qaeda operated here, doesn't the u.s. have more ties to al qaeda than Iraq did?
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']I'm sure most aren't terrorists, but that doesn't mean that ALL aren't businessmen first. I'm sure they have a handful that are al-qaeda sympathizers that could easily infiltrate the company as low-level managers.[/QUOTE]

yes, and that's the problem....the media have judged this whole situation on hypothetical outcomes.
 
[quote name='Apossum']yes, and that's the problem....the media have judged this whole situation on hypothetical outcomes.[/QUOTE]

Security is supposed to weigh the risks of those hypothetical outcomes. It sounds like security was entirely bypassed to pass this sweetheart deal.
 
We come here to the crux of the public backlash to this deal: Bush's entire presidency over the past 4 years has been built on the idea that we can't afford to take risks with regards to terrorism. We had to invade Iraq because we couldn't permit the first warning to be a mushroom cloud in New York. We have to illegally tap the phone lines of US citizens because some of them might be terrorists. But hey, a company owned and controlled by a country with ties to terrorism and 9/11 - they MIGHT not pose a threat, right?
 
[quote name='Apossum']they can cause a little mischief, maybe take out a couple thousand again if they get lucky. sure, or they can take advantage of owning american ports and make gazillions of dollars.....like business men would.

unless you are saying that the guys in the UAE are fundamentalist-terrorists first and businessmen second. :roll:[/QUOTE]

Read the guy's quote -- it's not the leaders you need to worry about. It's the middle managers who will be pressured to do favors for al Queda and other Islamic terror groups. You're putting a lot of foreign nationals in a position to move people, money and equipment in and out of the United States.
 
[quote name='Drocket']We come here to the crux of the public backlash to this deal: Bush's entire presidency over the past 4 years has been built on the idea that we can't afford to take risks with regards to terrorism. We had to invade Iraq because we couldn't permit the first warning to be a mushroom cloud in New York. We have to illegally tap the phone lines of US citizens because some of them might be terrorists. But hey, a company owned and controlled by a country with ties to terrorism and 9/11 - they MIGHT not pose a threat, right?[/QUOTE]

Thank you for elucidating the very idea I've been fumbling to explain.
 
[quote name='Apossum']yes, and that's the problem....the media have judged this whole situation on hypothetical outcomes.[/QUOTE]

Yes but some hypothetical outcomes are more likely than others.

For example, if we removed ALL airport security and let anyone on a plane then hypthetically we would have a plane blown up within a day or two. There's not way to know for sure if that outcome would happen but why would we take the risk if its not necessary?
 
true. alright, i know when to quit, haven't been reading up a whole lot on this. :)

but still, an attack carried out through one of the ports could have huge implications, maybe more than the middle east would care to deal with. maybe that thought doesn't nullify the potential risks, but it's something to consider.
 
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