Are Illegal immigrants that bad?

BodyShot213

BodyShot213

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I have to be honest and say that i respect them a hell alot more than our own U.S citizens that beg on the street for money. In fact, i like them more than our fat lazy citizens that take advantage of disability, welfare, and unemployment. But thats just my opinion.

Without these workers my city, my state would go bankrupt.
 
Yeah those lazy fuckers, never attempting to work I'm sure. I mean jobs are easy to find and all pay a nice, comfortable living wage right? Oh and those companies are paying the workers SUCH a generous wage. This is a joke right?
 
As general as my comments were, they were actually catered towards the lazy bitches that abuse the system. The welfare mothers that keep reproducing in order to get more money from the government.
 
[quote name='BodyShot213']As general as my comments were, they were actually catered towards the lazy bitches that abuse the system. The welfare mothers that keep reproducing in order to get more money from the government.[/quote]

As opposed to the illegals who have a dozen kids because they don't believe in condom use and load up on food stamps?
 
It's never a good deal to have another country offload their poverty into your system. The problem is really with corrupt Mexican government officials who export the poorest members of their society (the problem people who would be rioting and eating up resources) rather then work at creating policy that encourages jobs by creating a favorable, fair enviornment for business and industrialization.

I'm neutral about Mexican immigrants - can't really blame them, but I realize that they are part of the reason why my health insurance is through the roof. The immigrants are ultimately a great vehicle for walmart/construction/jaitorial/etc companies to avoid paying health insurance costs for employees, which translates into an unhealthy, sickness spreading underclass and immigrant emergency room visits paid for by Joe Taxpayer.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']As opposed to the illegals who have a dozen kids because they don't believe in condom use and load up on food stamps?[/quote]

You can thank the christians for that. A direct result of our new theological overlords. Praise the jebus!
 
[quote name='camoor']She's not that great. Trust me, they were doing you a favor.[/QUOTE]

Then we killed her!
 
[quote name='BodyShot213']As general as my comments were, they were actually catered towards the lazy bitches that abuse the system. The welfare mothers that keep reproducing in order to get more money from the government.[/QUOTE]

So, as general as your comments were, they were actually catered towards *more* generalizing?

Interesting observation.
 
Illegal immigrants are good for working at small businesses and doing low paying, degrading jobs that no one else wants, but there is a negative side. For instance, they don't pay taxes and they get all the benefits of American citizens without actually being a citizen. Its not fair to the rest of us.
 
Even though I don't agree with illegal immigration (err...who does?), I do feel bad for them. Hell, if I was starving and dirt broke and there was a country next to me that would feed me and my family, I'd try to cross the border. I hate them for using up this country's resources but I know that I'd probably do the same thing if I was in their situation.
 
[quote name='Starwishi']Illegal immigrants are good for working at small businesses and doing low paying, degrading jobs that no one else wants, but there is a negative side. For instance, they don't pay taxes and they get all the benefits of American citizens without actually being a citizen. Its not fair to the rest of us.[/quote]

Have you ever considered that cheap labor creates low paying degrading jobs? This country didn't revolve around McDonalds and WalMart even 50 years ago.
 
bottem line its not about whos bad whos good the nicest guy in the world could rob banks for a living..just like the nicest illegal is using a fake social security number not paying taxes and taking away from OUR poor our middle class and our rich.

Whats left to debate people want us to think its a mexican white issue every mexican I know wants the illegals out as well.
 
[quote name='Skelah']bottem line its not about whos bad whos good the nicest guy in the world could rob banks for a living..just like the nicest illegal is using a fake social security number not paying taxes and taking away from OUR poor our middle class and our rich.

Whats left to debate people want us to think its a mexican white issue every mexican I know wants the illegals out as well.[/QUOTE]

If only they ate!
If only they slept!
If only they wore clothes!
THEN they'd pay taxes!

To say "they don't pay taxes" is wrong. They don't pay income taxes, that's true. But to say "they don't pay taxes" shows a level of intellectual immaturity that makes me worried that you want to have a say in our political system. Oh well, myke, them's the breaks, and that's what you get in a voluntarily participatory democracy.

Granted, I agree with many of you; while I think the logistics of removing an estimated 11 million illiegal immigrants is impossible, why blame them? As vietgurl succinctly stated, this is an appealing country to many on the outside. Our economy is enticing, our pay even more so, and the living standards we abide by are the envy of other first and second-world nations (probably third-world too, but they're probably too hungry to notice, or don't have time/access to news reports of our largesse).

The ultimate question is WHY BLAME THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS? They are breaking the law, but why ignore only half the equation? They're being HIRED by people and by companies KNOWINGLY hiring cheap foreign labor instead of you or I. Why is it that in this country everybody wants to suck the cock of big business so bad that none of y'all assholes can point to illegal activity and say "HEY! STOP THOSE ASSHOLES FROM HIRING FOREIGN LABOR!" It's not like business is helpless from hiring the cheapest labor it could (though some of you might like to make that argument). We're not claiming that business is like some frat boy drunken off his gourd who can't claim responsibility for rape because he was so drunk. Business is liable to the laws of the land, no matter how much to want to exalt their capitalistic endeavors. THEY ARE BREAKING THE fuckING LAW, AND YOU CHASTISE THE POOR.

Now, this leads into my rationalism for wanting to end illegal immigration. Long story short, an absence of cheap labor will reduce demand (we hope), and those jobs "Americans Don't Want to Do" (which nobody ever proved, BTW - wouldn't YOU want a construction job?) would have to increase their offering wages commensurate with the drop in supply of readily available workers. In other words, enforcing immigration laws would be beneficial to our working class and our unemployed.

But that doesn't mean I agree with some of y'all bastards and your 'messican hate. Focus on ALL criminals involved, or be accused of racism, classism, and an idiotic reluctance to blame business for breaking the law. You pricks.
 
[quote name='BodyShot213']As general as my comments were, they were actually catered towards the lazy bitches that abuse the system. The welfare mothers that keep reproducing in order to get more money from the government.[/QUOTE]

You do realize welfare is one giant fucking trap right? Get a job and get penalized too much moneywise so you have to find a job that pays enough to cover you yet if you're in that situation you probably don't have enough job experience or the kind of experience to get that kind of job. Oh the lovely distractions and suffering that our rulers create to keep their power. /end sarcasm, enter bitterness.
Star that's the biggest load of bullshit. Regular citizens WOULD do those jobs if they paid enough. I think you should easily get a decent wage if you have to clean up shit and to pay otherwise is a travesty and disgraceful.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The ultimate question is WHY BLAME THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS? They are breaking the law, but why ignore only half the equation? They're being HIRED by people and by companies KNOWINGLY hiring cheap foreign labor instead of you or I. Why is it that in this country everybody wants to suck the cock of big business so bad that none of y'all assholes can point to illegal activity and say "HEY! STOP THOSE ASSHOLES FROM HIRING FOREIGN LABOR!" It's not like business is helpless from hiring the cheapest labor it could (though some of you might like to make that argument). We're not claiming that business is like some frat boy drunken off his gourd who can't claim responsibility for rape because he was so drunk. Business is liable to the laws of the land, no matter how much to want to exalt their capitalistic endeavors. THEY ARE BREAKING THE fuckING LAW, AND YOU CHASTISE THE POOR.[/quote]

Right. Fine the company manager the first time immigrants are found, jail him the next, and pretty soon the illegals won't be able to find work.

But then what are we going to do with a bunch of Mexicans who aren't working, refuse to leave, and feel entitled to emergency room access at our health care system? It will be worse then those muslim ghettos in France if you don't keep the illegals out in the first place.
 
I dont like beaners. I call all illegal aliens beaners. People complain about how we'd be in a huge bind if all of them were suddenly gone well then those people should not have built their businesses on the backs of illegals and now they have to live with the consquences of a failed business. Theres millions of people around the world right now who are in a waiting line waiting in some cases 20 years to get in and these people are taking the back door. Well close that sumbitch up and and wedge the front door open alittle more.
 
I had a dozen or so illegals (I assume) living under me in my 2nd to last apartment complex. They'd turn their music down in a heartbeat when I beat on the floor. Great neighbors. Although they'd sometimes smoke right under our balcony and would have a disturbingly high tower of flame shoot from their BBQ when they lit it...
 
[quote name='wubb']I had a dozen or so illegals (I assume) living under me in my 2nd to last apartment complex. They'd turn their music down in a heartbeat when I beat on the floor. Great neighbors. Although they'd sometimes smoke right under our balcony and would have a disturbingly high tower of flame shoot from their BBQ when they lit it...[/quote]

LoL - I used to have illegals as neighbors and it was hilarious. There were about 15 of them in a townhouse, and they never called the cops on our wild parties (wonder why - wink wink). The only way they could (try to) get revenge was to wake up at 7 the next morning and work on the latest broke-down car that was parked in their driveway.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']If only they ate!
If only they slept!
If only they wore clothes!
THEN they'd pay taxes!

To say "they don't pay taxes" is wrong. They don't pay income taxes, that's true. But to say "they don't pay taxes" shows a level of intellectual immaturity that makes me worried that you want to have a say in our political system. Oh well, myke, them's the breaks, and that's what you get in a voluntarily participatory democracy.
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[quote name='Ikohn4ever']well everyone has to pay sales tax[/QUOTE]


Sales tax vs. income tax? Income tax takes a LOT more of your money than sales tax ESPECIALLY when you take into consideration that most states don't charge sales tax on clothes or food. Hell some states don't even charge sales tax to begin with. They are not putting in their fair share, plain and simple.
 
[quote name='vietgurl']Even though I don't agree with illegal immigration (err...who does?), I do feel bad for them. Hell, if I was starving and dirt broke and there was a country next to me that would feed me and my family, I'd try to cross the border. I hate them for using up this country's resources but I know that I'd probably do the same thing if I was in their situation.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I agree with that.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Sales tax vs. income tax? Income tax takes a LOT more of your money than sales tax ESPECIALLY when you take into consideration that most states don't charge sales tax on clothes or food. Hell some states don't even charge sales tax to begin with. They are not putting in their fair share, plain and simple.[/QUOTE]

Sales tax takes a proportionally higher % of money from people that make low wages, which I assume would include most illegal immigrants. I can't hold not paying income tax against illegal immigrants when they really don't have a way to do so and are basically just trying to stay below the radar.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Sales tax vs. income tax? Income tax takes a LOT more of your money than sales tax ESPECIALLY when you take into consideration that most states don't charge sales tax on clothes or food. Hell some states don't even charge sales tax to begin with. They are not putting in their fair share, plain and simple.[/quote]

Basically true - just want to point out that the income tax money that the government makes from poor people barely (if ever) pays for the services that are provided to them. Conclusion: legalizing them would not solve the problem.

Again it goes back to the fact that it's never a good deal to import the poverty of other countries - what you really want are the doctors, scientists, technology specialists, etc.
 
Alot of illegals in my state are getting taxes deducted from their paychecks.. They do have bank accounts and w2. In fact, i would say that they are paying more taxes then they should because they dont file a claim.
 
[quote name='BodyShot213']Alot of illegals in my state are getting taxes deducted from their paychecks.. They do have bank accounts and w2. In fact, i would say that they are paying more taxes then they should because they dont file a claim.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps, but they still cost the government tens of billions a year in that they use that many more government services than they pay into the system. And that's not mentioning things like hospitals who are overwhelmed with illegals who can't pay.
 
A lot of Illegals actually pay Social Security and other taxes.

They use fake Socials (sometimes a dozen workers with the same number) and its not like the government gives it back.
 
[quote name='BodyShot213']Alot of illegals in my state are getting taxes deducted from their paychecks.. They do have bank accounts and w2. In fact, i would say that they are paying more taxes then they should because they dont file a claim.[/QUOTE]

This is the norm, more than the exception in my experience in Michigan. Many illegals have regular jobs and have SS deducted from their checks via a false SS number. By the time the paper trail catches up with them to find out that they are illegal, which could be years, they have left to find other jobs and start the process all over again.

Personally, I have no problem with illegals, especially if they are working. If they work for a lower wage, they allow more profit for the business owner, who then pays more income tax on his gross profits. It's a win-win situation. The problem is when we foster a law enforcement environment that would willingly look the other way instead of due dilligence becuase the problem is too large to really deal with. Trace this all the way to our representatives who could easily increase border patrols and customs agents with the stroke of a pen but refuse to do it so that they can make a political issue out of it during an election year instead.

Myke's answer was to punish the business owners' who hire illegals. Isn't this the exact policy passed by the Senate and what has caused such an uproar in the immigrant community? Tell me which is easier to enforce - freezing a companies assets for hiring illegals or arresting illegals and taking them to jail before they skip town?
 
You forgot the whole felony issue, that's what set off many people.

Though I believe the IRS is set up to be able to claim the most money. I don't believe that paying taxes puts illegals at risk for being caught, as I don't think they share information with immigration.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Myke's answer was to punish the business owners' who hire illegals. Isn't this the exact policy passed by the Senate and what has caused such an uproar in the immigrant community? Tell me which is easier to enforce - freezing a companies assets for hiring illegals or arresting illegals and taking them to jail before they skip town?[/QUOTE]

You'll have to tell me, because I didn't know it caused an uproar. Must have not been paying attention.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']You forgot the whole felony issue, that's what set off many people.[/quote]

The whole felony issue is moot. If you re-read my last sentence, it's a far easier thing to skip town and find another under the table job when you are an illegal and have no assets to freeze or paper trail to follow you than being a business owner who hires one and gets in trouble with the IRS, immigration, the FBI, homeland security, and any other State or local law enforcement. You can just move and get another driver's license. Since, as an illegal, your identity is in question, they have no real idea whom to arrest in the first place for said felony.

Though I believe the IRS is set up to be able to claim the most money. I don't believe that paying taxes puts illegals at risk for being caught, as I don't think they share information with immigration.
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Exactly my point.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']The whole felony issue is moot. If you re-read my last sentence, it's a far easier thing to skip town and find another under the table job when you are an illegal and have no assets to freeze or paper trail to follow you than being a business owner who hires one and gets in trouble with the IRS, immigration, the FBI, homeland security, and any other State or local law enforcement. You can just move and get another driver's license. Since, as an illegal, your identity is in question, they have no real idea whom to arrest in the first place for said felony.[/quote]

When you make a claim that the uproar is over something it's not, then all that matters is figuring out what the uproar was about.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Personally, I have no problem with illegals, especially if they are working. If they work for a lower wage, they allow more profit for the business owner, who then pays more income tax on his gross profits. It's a win-win situation.[/quote]

How am I winning by paying more then my share of tax and health insurance money so that the local hospital can pay for the emergency room visit of an illegal alien. Tell me - I like to win.
 
Somebody has to put roofs on houses and pavement on roads and Mexicans are more willing to do it than any other group of people. They come here and bust there asses doing jobs most other aren't willing to do and I respect that - but they need to do it legally.

I think we need to toss anybody out who isn't here legally and let people in using some sort of work permit program. They need to shut up and realize that they're not citizens and don't have the same rights that citizens do. No friggin way should they get driver's licenses, social security, loans from US banks etc We need to throw anybody who knowingly hires illegals in the can, put up a hugh ass fence on the border, pull the military out of Iraq and have them patrol it (a.k.a. do someting useful). We ought not expect them to pay into social security, but we should take some money from their pay and use it pay for migrant health services instead.

I also think that for a kid to be a US citizen at least one of his parents should be a LEGAL us citizen. No more jumping the friggin border or paddleing ashore, squeezing out a kid, and then cry that your kid is a citizen just because is was born inside the US borders. Send em all back and let them come when they can get a work permit and work "on the books".
 
what can i say about illegal immigrants (mexicans) all i can say is that they come to this country and work theres asses off. They try to have a better life.
though they should try doing this legally, i cant complain there not bad people MOST of them work hard and keep to themselves....
 
[quote name='sonicfreak5']what can i say about illegal immigrants (mexicans) all i can say is that they come to this country and work theres asses off. They try to have a better life.
though they should try doing this legally, i cant complain there not bad people MOST of them work hard and keep to themselves....[/QUOTE]

You also serve as concrete evidence that not all Americans have the right to demand that everyone else learn English.
 
is it safe to say bodyshot is an illegal?

Not all the tv stations were reporting the statistics of damage that illegals do the sex crimes like rape the hospitals and clinics closed down around texas due to illegals having babys being the #1 non paying customer.

The most dangerous gang in the united states is in bed with illegals it runs in america and mexico.

All those people marching just picture how many babys that is other than the aid going away for americans picture how the aid goes away for the babys we have spots being taken up by illegals.

Theres to much to mention it effects us in so many ways its not worth the trouble to let it slide we will be paying for it in the long run were gonna have to raise minumum wage at some point anyways arnt we???
 
[quote name='Skelah']is it safe to say bodyshot is an illegal?

Not all the tv stations were reporting the statistics of damage that illegals do the sex crimes like rape the hospitals and clinics closed down around texas due to illegals having babys being the #1 non paying customer.

The most dangerous gang in the united states is in bed with illegals it runs in america and mexico.

All those people marching just picture how many babys that is other than the aid going away for americans picture how the aid goes away for the babys we have spots being taken up by illegals.

Theres to much to mention it effects us in so many ways its not worth the trouble to let it slide we will be paying for it in the long run were gonna have to raise minumum wage at some point anyways arnt we???[/QUOTE]

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74666
 
america is the land of immigrants, we prove that it can work, diversity brings the best from everywhere, so in that regards immigrants are good, but the problem is that they are entering illegally, that is the only issue,

ps. the minimum wage actually puts disabled and uneducated people out of work, it doesnt help anyone
 
[quote name='Starwishi']Illegal immigrants are good for working at small businesses and doing low paying, degrading jobs that no one else wants, but there is a negative side. For instance, they don't pay taxes and they get all the benefits of American citizens without actually being a citizen. Its not fair to the rest of us.[/quote]

Uhh?? What? LOL.

What do you base that on? The benefits part?
 
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