[quote name='jngx80']I'm not an organ donor. When I die I want to be kept whole - it's just what I believe in; it's kind of disturbing to think that the doctors would cut me open and take what they needed.
If someone needed a kidney while I'm alive then maybe but I just think there's something wrong with cutting up a person who just died.
Want to throw this out to the non organ donors - are you willing to accept an organ if you needed it? I honestly don't know how to answer it but I'm leaning on no.[/quote]
Now I got a laugh out of this. It's silly for anyone to make suppositions about what they would or would not do when faced with death. If you are looking at the end of your time here on earth, especially if you are young, just about everyone would do what it takes to survive. That includes taking a generous gift from someone else like a functioning organ. Don't underestimate your survival instincts; we were designed for "fight or flight", and when flight isn't an option (you can't run from organ failure), fighting kicks in, and in your fight for survival, you'd almost certainly say yes to an organ donation.
Knowing this, how can you yourself not make your organs available to others who might find themselves in such a situation?
[quote name='Paco']I'd want my organs to be used, but I don't want it advertised on my id simply because they won't try as hard if they know I AM a organ donor. But once I die, do whatever you want with the organs. I'd stay away from my eyes as I'm legally blind.[/quote]
You don't know that. I suppose it could be true at some times, but that does not mean that, categorically, all doctors and nurses will do less to save your life simply because you have organs that others might need.
When you say that you don't want your intent for your organs to be donated advertised on your ID.....well, it doesn't really make sense. If you're dead, how else will they know that your organs are to be donated? After death, the window where your organs are still useful is fairly small, and so leaving that info on your license is the best way for physicians to know immediately that you want them donated.
[quote name='Paco']I'd want my organs to be used, but I don't want it advertised on my id simply because they won't try as hard if they know I AM a organ donor. But once I die, do whatever you want with the organs. I'd stay away from my eyes as I'm legally blind.[/QUOTE]
You don't have to "advertise it." Just tell your family that if such a tragic situation were to occur, that you would want your organs donated.
Again, I'm just stunned that people sincerely believe that doctors would compromise patient care just to get someone's organs. As someone that has been involved in the process many times (I'm often the guy that has to confirm brain death), the protocol to declare someone brain dead is structured so there is absolutely no margin of error in regards to the prognosis. The discussion with the family is then done as compassionately and humanely as possible. That one isolated case is just that. Isolated.
But the decision is personal and I don't begrudge anyone that prefers not to be an organ donor. I just wouldn't want the decision to be based on an assumption that is completely false.
I think the thing that freaks people out is them having to be faced with their own mortality. Getting your license is stressful enough without having to decide what they can do with your organs when you die. I'm an organ donor because there's no reason not to use them and they might be diseased anyway when I go so it.
[quote name='SneakyPenguin']I'm not. I find the whole idea a little ed up. I don't even donate blood.[/QUOTE]
Ditto. I don't necessarily think it's ed up, it's just a little creepy and I like my organs where they are.
My dad died a few years back and he saved like 5 lives with his organs, then his parents and my mom made a big deal about me not being an organ donor still. To this day, if this issue comes up around certain family members, they make it a point to ask me if I'm a donor, knowing I'm not.
I believe my aunt had a relative that was an organ donor, and something went wrong during the "harvest" and totally multilated the body up.Don't know if this is just a rare thing or what.I stated no on my license but my wife knows I would want to.Everyone should donate blood and plasma, and even bone marrow. That is if it's ok with religion.
[quote name='xycury'] That is if it's ok with religion.[/quote]
religion, they are prolife unless it's for saving an actual life, then they just want everyone dead.
I can't give blood because in order to you have to meet their insane rules, which I don't. if you stay in England for too long you can't give blood, even through the USA has had mad cow too.
[quote name='bigdaddy'] religion, they are prolife unless it's for saving an actual life, then they just want everyone dead.
I can't give blood because in order to you have to meet their insane rules, which I don't. if you stay in England for too long you can't give blood, even through the USA has had mad cow too.[/quote]
Yeah I say religion too, but the if the family says no, there is still respect for the dead. It would be nice to just put it in law that you do, unless you have a good excuse.And I didn't even know about England and NO Blood donations.... does that include all the countries? Ireland? How long were you over there?
I find that the donors seem pretty hostile toward those who choose not to donate. Why are you guys so concerned with others' decisions? Did all the talk of medical conspiracies and doctors allowing donors to die shake you up?
I'm not hostile and respect other peoples opinions. My feelings on the matter are I cannot understand why you would not be an organ donor. If I needed an organ transplant I would be eternally thankful for that person's sacrifice.After I'm gone if my organs can help others then great I don't need them.
Besides do people really believe that their body is more important than their soul?
All bodies should be considered organ donors unless a person chooses to opt out. It's an incredibly selfish act to not want to donate something you'll never need again seeing as how you'll be DEAD.
I'm surprised it took until the third page before there was an asinine insult against religion.
[quote name='neocisco']All bodies should be considered organ donors unless a person chooses to opt out. It's an incredibly selfish act to not want to donate something you'll never need again seeing as how you'll be DEAD.[/quote]Seriously, how does "it makes me uncomfortable" even approach being a reasonable objection?
[quote name='neocisco']I'm surprised it took until the third page before there was an asinine insult against religion.[/quote]As far as insults against religion go, I'd say this is one of the fairer ones I've seen on CAG. Though really, I'm not sure just what religious objections people have. I'm assuming nobody here worships the ancient Egyptian gods, so I doubt they think that they'll be needing their spleen when they're a corpse. I've got a roommate who said that he isn't donating his organs 'cause he's a Catholic, but it's funny, I must have missed that bit back in Catholic school...
The only thing that makes me think twice about donating my organs is that an alcoholic for example has ed up their own liver and is giving a second chance with my liver. But whats stopping that person ing the second one up. Like George Best...he did exactly this.
Someone in medicine can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think people that up their own organs through things like alcoholism get put further down the wait lists for donated organs than people with diseases.
[quote name='The Crotch']Seriously, how does "it makes me uncomfortable" even approach being a reasonable objection?
As far as insults against religion go, I'd say this is one of the fairer ones I've seen on CAG. Though really, I'm not sure just what religious objections people have. I'm assuming nobody here worships the ancient Egyptian gods, so I doubt they think that they'll be needing their spleen when they're a corpse. I've got a roommate who said that he isn't donating his organs 'cause he's a Catholic, but it's funny, I must have missed that bit back in Catholic school...[/quote]
[quote name='neocisco']All bodies should be considered organ donors unless a person chooses to opt out. It's an incredibly selfish act to not want to donate something you'll never need again seeing as how you'll be DEAD.[/QUOTE]Your disgusting sense of entitlement towards other people's organs is what's incredibly selfish.
It doesn't matter that they won't be needing their organs; it's up to them, and it should remain an opt-in program.
As for myself, I didn't opt-in because I didn't want to fill in an extra form at the DPS. Yep.
[quote name='The Crotch']Seriously, how does "it makes me uncomfortable" even approach being a reasonable objection?
As far as insults against religion go, I'd say this is one of the fairer ones I've seen on CAG. Though really, I'm not sure just what religious objections people have. I'm assuming nobody here worships the ancient Egyptian gods, so I doubt they think that they'll be needing their spleen when they're a corpse. I've got a roommate who said that he isn't donating his organs 'cause he's a Catholic, but it's funny, I must have missed that bit back in Catholic school...[/quote]
To clarify my point (if it needs clarifying), my point was against the comments about how "religion is stupid, blahblahblah". Those comments always seem to pop up whenever there is the slightest discussion of religion in any topic.
Religious objections are one thing but not doing it just because "it makes me feel weird"? Please. With that kind of thinking you shouldn't let someone take your picture since a camera might steal your soul.
That was sarcasm...somewhat.
[quote name='Liquid 2']Your disgusting sense of entitlement towards other people's organs is what's incredibly selfish.
It doesn't matter that they won't be needing their organs; it's up to them, and it should remain an opt-in program.
As for myself, I didn't opt-in because I didn't want to fill in an extra form at the DPS. Yep.[/quote]
My wanting as many people as possible to get the help they need is a "disgusting sense of entitlement" and "incredibly selfish"? Try thinking that over some more and try again.
[quote name='Lord_Kefka']
Non-organ donors, would you accept a donated organ if you needed one?[/quote]
Yep.
I'm not an official organ donor but everyone I know knows if I suddenly drop dead take what you want I'm dead. My organs suck through so most might not want them.
[quote name='Liquid 2']As for myself, I didn't opt-in because I didn't want to fill in an extra form at the DPS. Yep.[/QUOTE]
You have an extra form? Every state I've been in it was just a check box (or saying yes when asked if applying in person) when signing up for a driver's license.
[quote name='neocisco']My wanting as many people as possible to get the help they need is a "disgusting sense of entitlement" and "incredibly selfish"? Try thinking that over some more and try again.[/QUOTE]Making a program opt-out is automatically going to ensure that there are people who are in the program against their will, which is not acceptable.
[quote name='dmaul1114']You have an extra form? Every state I've been in it was just a check box (or saying yes when asked if applying in person) when signing up for a driver's license.[/QUOTE]
If I recall correctly, yeah. It's been ages since I was at the DPS though, so I could be wrong. I do remember something making me not opt-in though.
State of Texas, for the record. Can anyone else confirm?
I've always been an organ donor because I figure when I'm dead I wont need them anymore and I wont really be in a position to care what happens to my body along with the organs contained within.
I am not an organ donor. My mother spent close to 30 years working as a hospital nurse and then a nursing instructor and she said that doctors are far too eager to get their hands on organs to perform surgeries. She said that she has strong doubts that a doctor would do everything possible to save a patient if he/she could get their hands on the patient's organs and potentially save even more lives.
[quote name='dmaul1114']Someone in medicine can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think people that up their own organs through things like alcoholism get put further down the wait lists for donated organs than people with diseases.[/QUOTE]
My understanding is that your position on the list is strictly based on clinical need. However, patients with substance abuse history must agree to sobriety and are also drug tested during the waiting period and failing a test would forfeit eligibility.
[quote name='Liquid 2']Making a program opt-out is automatically going to ensure that there are people who are in the program against their will, which is not acceptable.[/quote]
In just about any other situation where this principle could be applied I would fully agree with you. However, once all means have been exhausted to save a person's life and they're definitely going to die, keeping said organs does no good for them and only harm to others. Believe me, I know how my POV on this can be interpreted. I'm strongly in favor of as little government intervention as possible in it's citizens lives but this is one topic that I think should be considered.
[quote name='dafoomie']I'm not taking the chance that they won't do absolutely everything within their power to save my life before deciding its time to take the organs.[/QUOTE]
So I'm NOT the only one with this viewpoint. :lol: But I think maybe I watch too much Law & Order.
[quote name='neocisco']In just about any other situation where this principle could be applied I would fully agree with you. However, once all means have been exhausted to save a person's life and they're definitely going to die, keeping said organs does no good for them and only harm to others. Believe me, I know how my POV on this can be interpreted. I'm strongly in favor of as little government intervention as possible in it's citizens lives but this is one topic that I think should be considered.[/QUOTE]
Incorrect. While keeping your organs certainly doesn't help others, claiming that it hurts them is absolutely absurd.
[quote name='Liquid 2']If I recall correctly, yeah. It's been ages since I was at the DPS though, so I could be wrong. I do remember something making me not opt-in though.
State of Texas, for the record. Can anyone else confirm?[/QUOTE]
I got my license in Texas about 2 years ago (I moved here from Minnesota). I didn't see any part of the form where you could be listed as an organ donor. I specifically asked at the DPS information desk how you do this, and I was told that they don't do this in Texas. I could either get a donor card, or write that I wanted to be a donor on the license. The lady could have been screwing with me just to get me to leave her alone, but I don't think there is a box or anything on the license, that I can see.
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