Army recruiter caught on tape threatening youth with arrest if he doesn't show up

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Channel 11 News in Houston revealed that a local Army recruiter was caught on tape, as he left a message threatening a young man
with arrest if he didn't come into the recruiting station.

Sgt. Thomas Kelt left this message on that young man's cell phone:

"Hey Chris, this is Sgt. Kelt with the Army man. I think we got disconnected. Okay, I know you were on your cell probably and just had a bad connection or something like that. I know you didn't hang up on me. Anyway, by federal law you got an appointment with me at 2 o'clock this afternoon at Greenspoint Mall, okay? That's the Greenspoint Mall Army Recruiting Station at 2 o'clock. You fail to appear and we'll have a warrant. Okay? So give me a call back."

To listen:
http://www.khou.com/images/0505/voicemail.wav

In response to this and other illegal and abusive actions by recruiters, the Army has ordered a nationwide stand-down of all recruiting efforts on May 20, claiming that they are going to use the day to review recruiting policies and standards.

Military recruiters are lying and threatening young people in order to drag them off to an illegal war.
 
Dont trust Military Recruiters, advice from a former military recruiter (my uncle)
i was at a college expo the other day, when i went over to talk to a recruiter for the ARMY ROTC, i mentioned my uncle taught ROTC, mstr Srgt Bean, he knew him, then started sweet talking. My excuse, im a tech nerd...BIG MISTAKE...he tries to tell me all about some army tech core, perfect for tech nerds. I forgot to mention, i burn easily in the sun, and networking is the worlds biggest bitch to me...

Moral of this story, next time you get sweet talked by a Recruiter, Just Say No
 
Here's yet another story on military recruiters lying to get kids to sign up as cannon fodder:

Recruiter: "You have more chance of dying here in the United States at, what is it, 36-percent die, kill rate here in the United States, people here just dying left and right, you have more chance of dying over here than you do over there."

Recruiter: "If you get on the Internet and look up how many deaths are in Columbia, S.C., in the past year, year and a half, and then compare that to how many deaths there are in Iraq, there's more deaths going on in Columbia, S.C., for no reason, none, over a pair of Nikes, over a jacket, people stealing people's wallets, shooting people. There's more deaths going on in Columbia, S.C. -- I know, I just got back from there -- than there was in the whole time when I was in Iraq."

Recruiter: "Dayton area alone, which is about four or five counties, Dayton area alone, 1,500 people died in two weeks. You know what that was from? Car wrecks. Those numbers that we get, we get from the actual highway patrol. So, I mean, all that stuff's factual. So, you look at that way. We've lost 1,500 soldiers so far over in Iraq. We've been over there for three years. If you add it together, 1,500 people died in five counties alone within two weeks, just from car wrecks."

Recruiter: "I was watching the news the other day. In Cincinnati alone, as of April, there were 867 deaths in Cincinnati." "Eighty-eight people over there have died from gunshot wounds."

Recruiter: "I can at least provide you with honest answers. OK? I can be the Honest Abe around the corner."

So there you have it! How many of you republicans are now ready to stand up & serve your president and his war?

http://www.channelcincinnati.com/news/4508233/detail.html
 
i went to an army recruiter so i could score a free army tshirt. They called me every week for about a year wanting to follw up to see if i was gonna sign up.
 
I know someone who's thinking of joining the military. The main reason is he doesn't know what he wants to do and wants the free education, at least that's what he told me (he's not patriotic or anything). I just hope he doesn't even go down to a recruiting office, he didn't seem to know much about Iraq (he doesn't think the u.s. is in short supply of soldiers, and he doesn't think there's much chance of being shipped out since he has a friend who's been in the army, or some branch, for 2 years and hasn't left) and I think he'd actually trust what they say from listening to him.
 
My father said that during the Vietnam War, the recruiters pulled the same crap. Except back then, they kept touting something called "the buddy system" where they promised that you and your friends would train in the same unit. However, once you signed on, and went to training, they split you all up.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']My father said that during the Vietnam War, the recruiters pulled the same crap. Except back then, they kept touting something called "the buddy system" where they promised that you and your friends would train in the same unit. However, once you signed on, and went to training, they split you all up.[/QUOTE]

They did that to my grandfather during WW2. He was going to join anyway, but he went down with his friend (who he remained friends with till he died, his friend is still alive though) and wanted to be in the same unit. The recruiter promised they'd stay together, but he was sent off to a ship in the pacific, and his friend was sent to a tank in europe.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']They did that to my grandfather during WW2. He was going to join anyway, but he went down with his friend (who he remained friends with till he died, his friend is still alive though) and wanted to be in the same unit. The recruiter promised they'd stay together, but he was sent off to a ship in the pacific, and his friend was sent to a tank in europe.[/QUOTE]

Goddamn George Bush!
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I know someone who's thinking of joining the military. The main reason is he doesn't know what he wants to do and wants the free education, at least that's what he told me (he's not patriotic or anything). I just hope he doesn't even go down to a recruiting office, he didn't seem to know much about Iraq (he doesn't think the u.s. is in short supply of soldiers, and he doesn't think there's much chance of being shipped out since he has a friend who's been in the army, or some branch, for 2 years and hasn't left) and I think he'd actually trust what they say from listening to him.[/QUOTE]

Point your buddy to this site:

http://usmilitary.about.com/

It'll fill him in on what he should know and what the recruiter may or may not tell him. It's best not to go in there blind. Also, notice that these are the Army recruiters in the news. The Air Force actually stopped actively recruiting for most of last year (except for about 57 critical AFSCs). In fact, I swore-in back in April of '04 and don't ship out for BMT until this August. A hell of a wait but I wanted to make sure I got a job I wanted, and didn't just end up in Security Forces holdin' a gun in the desert.

Here's their AF info:

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/airforceenlistedjobs/a/afjobs.htm

Remember, the best thing he can do is simply be informed and not rely on anything anyone tells him unless he sees it in writing.
 
[quote name='Spruce']Point your buddy to this site:

http://usmilitary.about.com/

It'll fill him in on what he should know and what the recruiter may or may not tell him. It's best not to go in there blind. Also, notice that these are the Army recruiters in the news. The Air Force actually stopped actively recruiting for most of last year (except for about 57 critical AFSCs). In fact, I swore-in back in April of '04 and don't ship out for BMT until this August. A hell of a wait but I wanted to make sure I got a job I wanted, and didn't just end up in Security Forces holdin' a gun in the desert.

Here's their AF info:

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/airforceenlistedjobs/a/afjobs.htm

Remember, the best thing he can do is simply be informed and not rely on anything anyone tells him unless he sees it in writing.[/QUOTE]

Ya, well he would never look at it. He always says he will but never does. I've gone on vacations with him and anime conventions, and I tell him to go online and find things you want to do. I even give him websites, but he never does it even when I tell him months in advance. He's very quiet, you never know what he's thinking (he often says whatever he thinks you want to hear and then does what he wants), and he's very stubborn. When he picked a college, he never visited it (it was 40 minutes away), never really read up on it, just applied to a bunch of the ones the counselor suggested. Only a year ago he found out he was chinese. He always thought he was half vietnamese (fathers side and he was born there), and half chinese (mother), but then his father told him that he (his father) was born in china, and moved to vietnam. His father never said otherwise, but he just never asked him. He doesn't even know any of the highways (not just where they are, but what they're called) just minutes from his house, even though he took one every day to school (he thought I-495 was just a normal road). He is directionless, often clueless, smart and stubborn. His stubborness may mean he wouldn't listen very much to the recruiter (when being pressured he tends to continuously agree while simultaneously refusing to agree), but he does often take things at face value and that's what gets me worried.

Basically, if I give him this he'll agree to look at it, but never do it. I tried to tell him it was a bad idea (I tried to give reasons instead of saying it was a stupid choice). The next time I talked to him he said he changed his mind, then when I started saying that if he actually joins just be careful and go prepared, then he said he was still thinking of joining. He doesn't think he'd get shipped out, but said he didn't really care if he did.

I'm at the point where I expect to call him up one day only to have his brother tell me he's been in Iraq for the past 3 weeks.

He said he'd ideally like to fly a plane, but he knows he can't since he has glasses. He didn't really seem to care where he went though. One of the main reasons he wants to go is the free education. He has no idea what he wants to major in, and dropped out of a really good school (20k a year) to go to a barely average one (6k a year) since he thought it was a waste since he didn't know what to do. Problem is he did very poorly the last year (I think he failed a class), and it isn't free if you fail in the military.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']A pretty long post...see above...^^^[/QUOTE]

Not to sound like a dick, but...you kinda made me feel better about not having any friends. ;)

If he's really serious but doesn't want to do all the readin' up he could at least take the ASVAB and see what kind of jobs he qualifies for. They'd pressure him to join but there is no, I repeat no commitment agreed upon by simply taking the test. The recruiter won't care for him much as they'll look at it as them putting effort into a prospective recruit and then him being "one that got away," but that's it.

The test is a breeze though if you were ever any kind of a decent student.
It may be more worthwhile to just look at the jobs on that site and see if any interest him.

I'm in a similar situation as I was in honor clubs and what not in school (Phi Theta Kappa...big whoop :roll: )and then just sorta got fed up with the whole education system and stopped going to classes. Ended up failin' them simply for not showin' up. Since then I've gone to a tech school, worked full time and socked some money away, and came to realize that dammit, I'm 26 and I need to do something...might as well get a degree out of it, too.
 
If you really want to screw the army, sign up, see how far you can get with free college and then if they try to send you to Iraq just say you're gay.

I told them I can't join for health reasons, I told they to fuck themselves and that I'm gay and they still send me shit and once and awhile call me.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I know someone who's thinking of joining the military. The main reason is he doesn't know what he wants to do and wants the free education, at least that's what he told me (he's not patriotic or anything). I just hope he doesn't even go down to a recruiting office, he didn't seem to know much about Iraq (he doesn't think the u.s. is in short supply of soldiers, and he doesn't think there's much chance of being shipped out since he has a friend who's been in the army, or some branch, for 2 years and hasn't left) and I think he'd actually trust what they say from listening to him.[/QUOTE]

If you friend wants his education paid for, tell him to sign up for a FAFSA. You'd be surprised to see how many people qualify for free money. He can take out loans to pay for the rest or just get a job. College isn't that expensive and it's better than dying in Iraq.
 
[quote name='kaji7p56']If you friend wants his education paid for, tell him to sign up for a FAFSA. You'd be surprised to see how many people qualify for free money. He can take out loans to pay for the rest or just get a job. College isn't that expensive and it's better than dying in Iraq.[/QUOTE]

Do you go to college? You think it's not expensive? You can get one for 5-10k if you go to a state school, but all the decent ones (private ones) are 17-25k a year.

Though he did qualify for loans, not sure if he had to pay 100% in the end though. His old school was 20k and it was a very good school, the one he's at now I believe is 6k. Pretty much anyone in our old high school could get into it. It's not like he had to go there due to grades or money (his family's monetary situation has been consistently improving for the past 5 years or so).

Though, again, if you don't think college (especially a decent one) is expensive then you don't go, or you're loaded.

And besides, I have sally maie and fafsa (I know I applied, not certain what I got from it as my tuition is paid for by parents and I can't remember, I paid my rent and all the costs of living), all I have is loans. I got no free money, even though my family is on the verge of losing our house.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Do you go to college? You think it's not expensive? You can get one for 5-10k if you go to a state school, but all the decent ones (private ones) are 17-25k a year. [/QUOTE]

I go to a state university and pay near $30,000 a year. ($20k tuition, out of state)
 
[quote name='Rich']I go to a state university and pay near $30,000 a year. ($20k tuition, out of state)[/QUOTE]

Which one? All the ones around here are cheap and average at best (salem state is good for teachers, not really anything else). There's u-mass (lowell is the local one) and that's nothing great (though alright for engineers), which is also public.

Maybe it's different, the boston area is one of the main education centers so that could be why there's such a difference here, harvard, MIT, boston college, boston university, then there's brown in rhode island, all schools that I had no shot at getting into. Then there's above average/average, but lesser known ones, such as merrimack college, clark university, northeastern and suffolk university (used as a safety school by many, including myself).

The top public college within 45 minutes or so is probably u-mass lowell, which all of the above beat.
 
[quote name='Spruce']Not to sound like a dick, but...you kinda made me feel better about not having any friends. ;)

If he's really serious but doesn't want to do all the readin' up he could at least take the ASVAB and see what kind of jobs he qualifies for. They'd pressure him to join but there is no, I repeat no commitment agreed upon by simply taking the test. The recruiter won't care for him much as they'll look at it as them putting effort into a prospective recruit and then him being "one that got away," but that's it.

The test is a breeze though if you were ever any kind of a decent student.
It may be more worthwhile to just look at the jobs on that site and see if any interest him.

I'm in a similar situation as I was in honor clubs and what not in school (Phi Theta Kappa...big whoop :roll: )and then just sorta got fed up with the whole education system and stopped going to classes. Ended up failin' them simply for not showin' up. Since then I've gone to a tech school, worked full time and socked some money away, and came to realize that dammit, I'm 26 and I need to do something...might as well get a degree out of it, too.[/QUOTE]

This is going to sound really shitty, but after reading that, I feel quite a bit better about myself.
 
That sounded a lot less threatening than the topic made it out to be. It's still wrong though.

Unless you are fortunate to have a trust fund or qualify for Financial aid to cover your costs, college IS expensive. I work in one. To be honest the price to go to some of these institutions is a bigger scam than anything a politician could ever come up with.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Which one? All the ones around here are cheap and average at best (salem state is good for teachers, not really anything else). There's u-mass (lowell is the local one) and that's nothing great (though alright for engineers), which is also public.

Maybe it's different, the boston area is one of the main education centers so that could be why there's such a difference here, harvard, MIT, boston college, boston university, then there's brown in rhode island, all schools that I had no shot at getting into. Then there's above average/average, but lesser known ones, such as merrimack college, clark university, northeastern and suffolk university (used as a safety school by many, including myself).

The top public college within 45 minutes or so is probably u-mass lowell, which all of the above beat.[/QUOTE]

University of Maryland. I wanted to go to Boston College, but they wouldn't accept the 20 credits I had from St. John's University, and I had some friends going to UMD, so it was between more money, starting off with 6 credits (I got 6 credits from BC over a summer), and going to a school with few of my friends and going to UMD which was $10k less, start off 3 credits short of sophmore status, and going with 3 of my closest friends.

I love Boston more than any other city, but DC and Baltimore ain't bad. And at least the Colts win in Baltimore, more than I can say for NE. :)
 
I'm from York, and think DC and Baltimore are much, much worse than Philly, where I live now. One time I took the light rail from Hunt Valley to see an Orioles game. It was like driving through nuclear fallout through baltimore.
 
I got shit from FAFSA, they are dumbasses. The army recuiter freaks followed my boyfriend and I in the hall. There were talknig to us as we walked by and my BF told them to fuck off and he didn't give them the right to talk to him. What a fun day. :)
 
[quote name='JSweeney']This is going to sound really shitty, but after reading that, I feel quite a bit better about myself.[/QUOTE]

Doesn't sound shitty at all. I realize I made some bad choices earlier regarding my education and am taking the steps to (hopefully) rectify the situation. I also get to learn a trade along the way. Better than working the dead end job I had been.
 
[quote name='Rich']University of Maryland. I wanted to go to Boston College, but they wouldn't accept the 20 credits I had from St. John's University, and I had some friends going to UMD, so it was between more money, starting off with 6 credits (I got 6 credits from BC over a summer), and going to a school with few of my friends and going to UMD which was $10k less, start off 3 credits short of sophmore status, and going with 3 of my closest friends.

I love Boston more than any other city, but DC and Baltimore ain't bad. And at least the Colts win in Baltimore, more than I can say for NE. :)[/QUOTE]

I don't get the sports joke. While no one cares about hockey here (or about the lockout), the pats are basically a dynasty, the celtics have a history but are mediocre now and going nowhere, and the red sox just won the championship. Though, I'm not fan of any of the local teams personally, and I miss making all the red sox jokes (I was waiting to call my boston friends from games 4-7 in the red sox yankees series. I was very disapointed)

Though, suffolk university was going to give me 30 credits for my ap classes (I never really studied or tried in high school, so while I got A's on the report card I only got 3's on the AP exams, the only exception was french, which I failed one quarter and got 1 b in 3 years, the rest C's and D's, I really tried, but I suck at foreign languages). It was aggravating, I really didn't want to go to suffolk, and I really wanted to go to york in toronto (it was also easily the better school). York wanted scores of 4 on the AP exams so they offered no credit, but I decided to skip the credits and go to toronto, as that's where I really wanted to go (they also only require 3 year long classes, each one from a choice of about 40, all you had to do was take a course from 3 specified departments, no math or english or anything else I hated). I really wish I had those credits though, I wouldn't really have to take many courses outside what I needed for psychology, and I could have skipped the intro course.
 
[quote name='David85']I got shit from FAFSA, they are dumbasses. The army recuiter freaks followed my boyfriend and I in the hall. There were talknig to us as we walked by and my BF told them to fuck off and he didn't give them the right to talk to him. What a fun day. :)[/QUOTE]

How do FAFSA and the army go together? I never got anything from the army.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I don't get the sports joke. While no one cares about hockey here (or about the lockout), the pats are basically a dynasty, the celtics have a history but are mediocre now and going nowhere, and the red sox just won the championship. Though, I'm not fan of any of the local teams personally, and I miss making all the red sox jokes (I was waiting to call my boston friends from games 4-7 in the red sox yankees series. I was very disapointed)
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Uh, joke? The Colts win in Baltimore. The Colts lose in New England. I'd rather see the Colts win.
 
[quote name='David85']I got shit from FAFSA, they are dumbasses. The army recuiter freaks followed my boyfriend and I in the hall. There were talknig to us as we walked by and my BF told them to fuck off and he didn't give them the right to talk to him. What a fun day. :)[/QUOTE]

FAFSA= Free Application for Federal Student Aid
ASVAB=Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery.

Fun Facts for the day.
 
[quote name='Spruce']Doesn't sound shitty at all. I realize I made some bad choices earlier regarding my education and am taking the steps to (hopefully) rectify the situation. I also get to learn a trade along the way. Better than working the dead end job I had been.[/QUOTE]

Good for you. Nothing like "pulling yourself up by the bootstraps".
Hopefully, you'll be able to put yourself right and end up where you want to.
 
[quote name='JSweeney']FAFSA= Free Application for Federal Student Aid
ASVAB=Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery.

Fun Facts for the day.[/QUOTE]

I took the ASVAB just to get out of class. One of the easiest exams ever, think I ended up with a 92%. At the time I had zero mechanical knowledge. :lol:
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']That sounded a lot less threatening than the topic made it out to be. It's still wrong though.[/QUOTE]

If a recruiter calls you and leaves a message on your machine telling you he is going to have you arrested if you don't show up I garauntee you will feel threatened no matter how nicely he says it.
 
[quote name='Rich']Uh, joke? The Colts win in Baltimore. The Colts lose in New England. I'd rather see the Colts win.[/QUOTE]

Ya, the only sport I know, follow and enjoy is basketball. Anything else will usually go right over my head.
 
Sounds like recruiters are starting to run into some roadblocks:

Students picket military recruiters
Protesters don't want them at schools

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

Angry that military recruiters come to their schools, more than 100 college and high school students marched on recruiting offices in Seattle yesterday.

Chanting "Education not war, kick recruiters out the door" and other slogans, the students blocked the entrances to military offices and pounded on windows in Northgate, the University District and the Central Area. The three neighborhood rallies began simultaneously at noon.

The young demonstrators said they oppose the war in Iraq and don't want recruiters trying to sign up students at their schools. They also were protesting the fact that military spending continues to rise while the nation's public education system struggles financially.

"I don't want to go to war," said Ob Flores, 17, from Mount Rainier High School in Des Moines. "I want to learn; I don't want to die."

No protesters were arrested, and no injuries were reported.

Student and parent resentment over recruitment on high school and college campuses has been growing in the past year. The military has fallen behind enlistment quotas nationally, and dozens of recruiters have been admonished for using improper, aggressive tactics.

Garfield High School's PTSA passed a resolution May 9 recommending that recruiters be barred from the school. When recruiters later returned to Garfield, they were met by protests from parent leaders.

Earlier this year at Seattle Central Community College, angry students surrounded two recruiters and harassed them until they fled the campus.

During one of the protests yesterday, several dozen demonstrators lined the sidewalk in front of Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines recruiting offices near Northgate Mall.

Marine recruiters quickly dropped the window shades and kept the doors locked.

Next door, however, the Army recruiting station's front door was open. Four protesters entered and objected loudly to the military presence at their schools. Sgt. 1st Class Jessica Hicks first told the protesters to leave, then pushed them out the door.

Minutes after the first altercation, another protester attempted to get inside the office but was quickly forced out of the doorway by Hicks.

With the doors shut and a "closed" sign hanging, the protesters declared victory.

"Nobody is getting in here!" said the bullhorn-wielding Marlo Winter, a Seattle Central student who helped organize the protest. "That means nobody can be recruited while we're here!"

In the U District, about 40 protesters massed in front of military offices on Northeast 45th Street. Blasting bioterrorism research, genocide and military spending, speakers took turns haranguing the recruiters inside.

Across town in the Central Area, more than 50 Garfield High students marched on a recruitment station about a mile south of the school, a protest organizer said.

"It was awesome," said Duwan Tyson, a recent Garfield graduate and student at The Evergreen State College. "They closed the doors on us and retreated."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/225552_protest24.html
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']If a recruiter calls you and leaves a message on your machine telling you he is going to have you arrested if you don't show up I garauntee you will feel threatened no matter how nicely he says it.[/QUOTE]

After reading the topic title I was expecting the recruiter to be screaming at the guy or saying it in a menacing way. That's all.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']After reading the topic title I was expecting the recruiter to be screaming at the guy or saying it in a menacing way. That's all.[/QUOTE]

Actually, a calm guy telling me that sounds more serious and realistic. The guy screaming would make me think he's just angry/desperate and just making up stuff.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']That's tied up in the courts right now. So we'll see.[/QUOTE]

If they can tie anti-discrimination legislation into the receipt of federal funds do you really think the government is going to allow itself to be denied its #1 producer of the military's officer corps and still provide funding?

I wouldn't hold my breath.

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[quote name='CTLesq']If they can tie anti-discrimination legislation into the receipt of federal funds do you really think the government is going to allow itself to be denied its #1 producer of the military's officer corps and still provide funding?

I wouldn't hold my breath.

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During the 70s most colleges were against the war. The government still supported the colleges, because the government realized the smart kids that rebel are the same smart kids who are going to pay the fat taxes to finance the neocon agenda that's voted for by the red staters.
 
[quote name='camoor']During the 70s most colleges were against the war. The government still supported the colleges, because the government realized the smart kids that rebel are the same smart kids who are going to pay the fat taxes to finance the neocon agenda that's voted for by the red staters.[/QUOTE]

Yeah well you I hear the progay rights agenda arguing just because things have been one way for thousands of years in the past is no reason to keep them that way.

Enjoy giving people fries with their orders because there will be no more federal aid.

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[quote name='CTLesq']Yeah well you I hear the progay rights agenda arguing just because things have been one way for thousands of years in the past is no reason to keep them that way.

Enjoy giving people fries with their orders because there will be no more federal aid.

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Umm.... what does pulling school federal aid have to do with discrimination?
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Umm.... what does pulling school federal aid have to do with discrimination?[/QUOTE]

It has everything to do with if you suck on the tit of the Fed they make you their bitch.

And the court's will support it.

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[quote name='CTLesq']It has everything to do with if you suck on the tit of the Fed they make you their bitch.

And the court's will support it.

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And here's our college grad showing his mastery of the english language.
 
Pentagon delays release of May recruiting data

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Pentagon on Wednesday postponed by more than a week the release of military recruiting figures for May, as the Army and Marine Corps struggle to attract new troops amid the Iraq war.

The military services had routinely provided most recruiting statistics for a given month on the first business day of the next month.

Air Force Lt. Col. Ellen Krenke, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said the May numbers for the active-duty and reserve components of the all-volunteer military will be released on June 10.

"Military recruiting is instrumental to our readiness and merits the earliest release of data. But at the same time, this information must be reasonably scrutinized and explained to the public, which deserves the fullest insight into military performance in this important area," Krenke said.

Asked whether the move would simply delay the release of bad news, Krenke said, "That's not necessarily true," noting that "we expect the numbers to improve during the summer months."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=584&e=5&u=/nm/20050601/pl_nm/arms_usa_recruiting_dc

Here's one woman's story on DU about what happened with her nephew. Pretty crazy. Of course, no one can verify it, but it definitely isn't out of the realm of possibility:

Recruiters have been after my 18 year old nephew, and thanks to "No Child Left Behind" they have his address and telephone number.

His mother told them to stop calling the house, so they called his cell phone, trying to "befriend" him. They told him they could get his college paid for, enroll him with the best Kung-fu teachers, get him a job, etc etc, and the biggest lie, he wouldn't have to go to Iraq. (I suppose they plan to send him to IRAN.)

They came to his work night before last, and asked if he could come out to the parking lot for a few minutes. They talked him into going for a ride, and the next thing he knew, they had him in some hotel with a few other kids. I don't think he knew where he was. They told him he could call his mom to tell her that they were going to take him to the regional center in the morning for some tests. Then they took his phone away from him.

The next morning they woke him up at 4 am and had him sign papers....he has no idea what they were he was still half asleep. They told him it was consent for "tests". Then they took him to Seattle where the regional center is and held him all day.

They never fed him during any of this time, He's afraid he signed up for the Marines!

Our family went down to the regional center yesterday, had to sign in, get badges, and wait. He was never told we were there. We saw him come out of a door, and literally grabbed him, told the recruiter that there was an impending death in the family, and got him out of there.

Today they called his work 4 times, even after the owner told them the first time not to call anymore. I suppose they hoped to get him fired.

My sister in law tried to get the recruiter's telephone number blocked from her phone, but was told that they can't block recruiters! She had to change to an unlisted new phone number.

He's very shaken by this experience. He's learned the hard way that there's no such thing as letting them have an inch, evenif all you want is info. They take it all. He's got an appointment with a lawyer in the morning to see what can be done, and just what it was they had him sign.

Thanks to the CRAPTASTIC MEDIA, my sister in law had no idea that recruitment was down so far, and that they are trying anything they can to get a kids' name on a contract.

I learned today that although this president was voted in, (and that's debatable), only 1% of his supporters actually have children enlisted in the military.

If THEIR children signed up, then they wouldn't have to "kidnap" our kids to fight their freaking bloody war!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1515854
 
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I learned today that although this president was voted in, (and that's debatable), only 1% of his supporters actually have children enlisted in the military.
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When you say enlisted does that include officers? Because I would fall into that category.

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[quote name='CTLesq']When you say enlisted does that include officers? Because I would fall into that category.

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Lawyers have ranks? :lol:
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Lawyers have ranks? :lol:[/QUOTE]

Not to mention class. haha

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Looks like Charles Rangel is introducing the draft bill again.

Rep. Charles Rangel is once again pushing a bill to re-instate the military draft, a year after the effort caused a flurry of campaign-season conflict over the war in Iraq. Rangel, an anti-war Democrat from Harlem, offered the same measure last year, only to vote against it when Republicans brought the bill to the House.

At the time, GOP leaders were upset over a growing buzz on the Internet that the Bush administration might begin drafting American citizens if Bush won re-election. They blamed Democrats for fueling the speculation in a cynical attempt to win voters to their candidate, John Kerry.

Rangel said he is again calling for a draft because military recruitment is falling short. "Everyone knows that we went into this war with an insufficient number of troops, but the problem now is filling the ranks of those units that are already on the ground," said Rangel.

The veteran lawmaker has railed against the Bush administration's handling of the Iraq war, called for the removal of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and argued that the burdens of the war disproportionately have fallen on the poor and minorities.

http://1010wins.com/topstories/local_story_148073906.html

Rangel was himself a draftee. He brings this bill before congress every year. I think he intends to have every politician go on record for what they voted for in regards to the draft. I think last year, Rangel didn't even vote for his own bill. Another thought is that he wants this burden of fighting an illegal war brought to the middle class. A suburban mom isn't going to pay much attention to the war until little Biff and Scooter are being sent to fight in some strange, far away country.

If recruitment numbers are so dismal that a draft is needed, I wonder how this would play out. A republican congress and republican president would have to approve it, but through some Rovian spin, I'm sure they could get the media to go along with this being labeled a "Democratic bill".
 
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