Battlestar Galactica: It's Frakking Over; The Plan coming this fall

In episode 9,10, or 11 of Season 4, there is a scene where Adama is looking in the mirror then notices big cracks in the ceiling above him in his quarters.

Obviously Chief seeing cracks is now showing this is a sub-plot yet to be played out, or it could just be symbolism that things are cracking and about to explode.

Edit: It could also be symbolism that the ship is going to "die" by the end. Or, who knows, maybe the ship is the dying leader :).
 
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just saw a preview of next weeks episode. Tighs wife comes back and now she knows she is a cylon. I really could not stand her character. I wonder whos side she will be on. Also with the hub destroid how can she come back? Unless they say that it happend hours befor the ship was destroid.
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Yeah, she died in the beginning of season 3.
 
My gods this show is incredible.
I thought this mutiny storyline was going to be stretched out over the last episodes.
There are still 6 episodes left and they have packed more action and story into the first 4 episodes of this season than most shows manage in their entire run.
I have no idea how this is going to play out but apparently there is a resurrection hub somewhere else in the galaxy where the final 5 presumably get reborn. Starbuck has to have something to do with that, right? Maybe there is a 13th Cylon (you know, since there are 13 colonies) and she is it? Maybe something happened with her thousands of years ago that led to her banishment or "boxing" or whatever? She HAS to be a Cylon, right???
 
^ No she doesn't.

They could always do the Ship of Lights storyline in which God needed her for something and brought her back to life. The hub could be the same one, but I doubt it, because just because we saw her download doesn't mean it didn't happen over a year ago. Remember Download, they did Sharon's download storyline over the course of a year in an episode.

What really interests me is an upcoming episode features Starbuck becoming friends with a piano player. I have no clear what that has to do with anything, should be interesting.
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']
What really interests me is an upcoming episode features Starbuck becoming friends with a piano player. I have no clear what that has to do with anything, should be interesting.[/QUOTE]

I am almost positive that is
Zack Adama, probably in flashbacks. That's because according to IMDB, the last 4 or 5 episodes have an actor playing Zack Adama. If you remember, Zach was Starbucks main squeeze before the show took place, before she accidentally got him killed. It will be even more interesting if it isn't flashbacks.
 
Some crazy theories there guys. But the best part about this show is you just can't predict crap. Anything goes sometimes.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I am almost positive that is
Zack Adama, probably in flashbacks. That's because according to IMDB, the last 4 or 5 episodes have an actor playing Zack Adama. If you remember, Zach was Starbucks main squeeze before the show took place, before she accidentally got him killed. It will be even more interesting if it isn't flashbacks.
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My money has been on Zak Adama and Ellen Tigh since the last 4 were revealed. If I'm right on both, I'm celebrating.
 
[quote name='A Happy Panda']
My money has been on Zak Adama and Ellen Tigh since the last 4 were revealed. If I'm right on both, I'm celebrating.
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Who exactly do you think Zak is? Another cylon?
 
Maybe it's like LOST and all time happens at once! Therefor Zac isn't really dead, he's just not around in this time. ;)
 
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Who exactly do you think Zak is? Another cylon?
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I originally thought that Zak was going to be the final cylon until it was "revealed" to be Ellen. So once that was revealed, that complicated my theory since there can't be 14 cylons, if we're considering Starbuck to be one, or some kind of freak hybrid. However, it still could be the writers throwing us a curveball where it never was/is Ellen Tigh
 
How could it be Zak when his father is human? I'm woindering how they are going to play it with starbuck coming back. I know they are going to have to explain that or atleast I think they would. As for the cracks I'm thinking they are symbolic like someone else has said or they are going to lead up to the ship falling apart due to age and all that it has went through. Maybe the ship will be destroid by the end of the series.
 
[quote name='sendme']
How could it be Zak when his father is human? I'm woindering how they are going to play it with starbuck coming back. I know they are going to have to explain that or atleast I think they would. As for the cracks I'm thinking they are symbolic like someone else has said or they are going to lead up to the ship falling apart due to age and all that it has went through. Maybe the ship will be destroid by the end of the series.
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Switched at birth? He was the first actual baby Cylon from earth before it got blown up? They all turn out to be Cylons? IDK. For whatever reason I've always thought it was him...probably because that'd be the most insane episode ever. But you're right, its pretty inplausible.
 
The last few episodes are flashback heavy, so Zac is just in the flashbacks.

I think people have too much time on their minds to come up with crazy ass things. I think the ending will be not as shocking as everyone thinks.
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']The last few episodes are flashback heavy, so Zac is just in the flashbacks.

I think people have too much time on their minds to come up with crazy ass things. I think the ending will be not as shocking as everyone thinks.[/quote]

I don't think there is going to be some huge twist - the show doesn't do huge twists - but I do think they are going to leave everything out on the field and answer most of our questions as best as they can. This will involve some revelations (which may or may not be shocking) but I don't think it will turn anything upside down.
 
I don't think anything will be huge and shocking either, per say.

From the little the cast has already revealed in interviews, they essentially say that "you really can't see it ending any other way". Alluding to nothing really being a big shock.
 
Where are the rest of the final five models? Are there only one of each and when they are gone they are gone? If so, it makes no sense because they all were somehow reborn when "Earth" was destroyed. If they somehow came back on the resurrection ship, wouldn't the first 7 cylons know their identity?

Is there another homeworld where the additional final 5 models are living?
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']
She is going to be in the remaining episodes, she plays a big role. Also she can come back in several different ways, the hub was destroyed, but there was only one? That's stupid. The final five could have their own hub, that wasn't destroyed. It could have been the only hub and she could have came back to life right away, but it wasn't the right time to return until now.

What I really want to see is her and Caprica Six talk. :lol:[/QUOTE]
What if Ellen Tigh is an older version of Caprica Six? :D That's been my theory for a couple of weeks now. It would certainly explain Tigh's obsession with Caprica Six.

[quote name='thrustbucket']I am almost positive that is
Zack Adama, probably in flashbacks. That's because according to IMDB, the last 4 or 5 episodes have an actor playing Zack Adama. If you remember, Zach was Starbucks main squeeze before the show took place, before she accidentally got him killed. It will be even more interesting if it isn't flashbacks.
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[quote name='A Happy Panda']
My money has been on Zak Adama and Ellen Tigh since the last 4 were revealed. If I'm right on both, I'm celebrating.
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Zak returning and being a Cylon would certainly make for an interesting plot twist. Remember how conflicted Adama and Lee were about Starbuck when she returned from Earth? Remember how Lee posed the question, "What if it was Zak that stepped out of that Viper? Would it matter if he were a Cylon?"
 
[quote name='daphatty']
What if Ellen Tigh is an older version of Caprica Six? :D That's been my theory for a couple of weeks now. It would certainly explain Tigh's obsession with Caprica Six.
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I've thought about this but there's really no plausible way for this to be the case. Tigh would remember how hot his wife was 20 years ago and would instantly recognize her. So would Adama, Lee and other people who have known Tigh for a while.

[quote name='daphatty']
Zak returning and being a Cylon would certainly make for an interesting plot twist. Remember how conflicted Adama and Lee were about Starbuck when she returned from Earth? Remember how Lee posed the question, "What if it was Zak that stepped out of that Viper? Would it matter if he were a Cylon?"
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This is interesting but how would it make any sense (unless Zak was adopted or something)? I still think Kara is the 13th Cylon (and we are going to learn that they somehow are responsible for the 13 human colonies).
 
Wow we really got a ton of answers tonight about the final 5 and the other cylons. I thought we would have to wait for the last episode or two to get some of these episodes.

Not only did we get a ton of answers, but they were good ones too. Even though the writers didn't really have a plan and more or less made up the story along the way everything seemed to fit together really well.
 
Is it just me, or is Kate Vernon really hot in a cougar sort of way?

Anywho, the answers were, IIRC:

- The humans on Kobal created the skinjobs that formed the 13th colony. They had a falling out with the humans and left 4000 years ago.

- The 13th tribe created centurions, who rebelled (?) and nuked the people.

- 5 people were hooked up to a resurrection system that brought them back on a ship orbiting earth. They had been warned about the impending war by head people.

- Ellen Tigh was responsible for the system somehow.

- The 5 went out to try and find the other colonies to warn them about enslaving artificial lifeforms.

- When they found the colonies, the Cylon war was underway.

- The 5 agreed to help the Cylons create humanoid bodies in exchange for ending the war.

- Cavil, whose name was originally John, is modeled after Ellen Tigh's father.

- Cavil turned on the 5, killed them, then altered their memories, placing them into colonial society over a period of time.

- There were originally 8 humanoid Cylon models. Number 7, named Daniel, was apparently deleted.

- A colony containing technology related to Ellen's work exists.

Good stuff.
 
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when did gaeta have a relationship with an 8?
I wonder what role if any the one they were talking about on tonights episode will have.
 
On New Caprica. It was shown in the webisodes.

My favorite theory is
Daniel is Starbuck's father and Dirk Benedict is gonna play him.

I would squee on so many different levels if that happened.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']I thought we would have to wait for the last episode or two to get some of these episodes.
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Yes we will have to wait until the last episodes to get the last episodes. :lol:

Dirk Benedict is a dick, he has always been a Dick and always will be.
 
[quote name='evanft']Is it just me, or is Kate Vernon really hot in a cougar sort of way?

Anywho, the answers were, IIRC:

- The humans on Kobal created the skinjobs that formed the 13th colony. They had a falling out with the humans and left 4000 years ago.
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This is the part I didn't fully grasp. The way I understood it was the 13th tribe that went to Earth were humans, and the final 5 were human before they died and uploaded to the slow orbiting ship. But I think they said that all the remains found on Earth were cylons.....I need to watch it again.


The rest of your list is exactly what I got out of it.

I am really curious about the following things:

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Exactly where does our own Earth history match up with the show? Are we the 13th tribe then? That can't be the case, or we'd only have been here for 3000 years. Maybe it all takes place in our future, and the 13th tribe arrives when humans are already on the planet? Or, the more likely answer is that the humans in the show (us) originated on Earth to begin with and later left to colonize Caprica etc. That would mean the show takes place far far far into our future (far enough that Earth was abandoned by the time the 13th tribe came back).

2-
It's a little weird that the colonies discovered FTL travel but not resurrection. The 13th tribe developed resurrection but no FTL travel.

3-
I think it's pretty clear now that Starbuck is either the one true god, or related to it somehow.

4-
Why did those 5 people discover resurrection and not share it with anyone else?

6-
What exactly is the extent of the obvious symbolism of the chief about to add biological material to a metal construct to "make it stronger"?

7 -
Why is it that the Centurions believed in a one true god, but so does Ellen?

It's also pretty cool now how well this is all tying into the plot of the upcoming Caprica series which revolves around the creation of AI, since BSG is turning out to all be about the creations and dangers of doing so.
 
[quote name='evanft']Is it just me, or is Kate Vernon really hot in a cougar sort of way?

Anywho, the answers were, IIRC:

- The humans on Kobal created the skinjobs that formed the 13th colony. They had a falling out with the humans and left 4000 years ago.

- The 13th tribe created centurions, who rebelled (?) and nuked the people.
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What I dont understand is Skinjobs or artificial life forms create Centurions as well??? WTF? and these Centurions rebelled against the human-made artificial life forms and nuked them? that makes no sense

and meanwhile... back on the colonies, real humans create Centurions too?
 
1) Lastly... The final five... do they age or immortally ageless? Do they resurrect at the same age or the age that they die?

2) Also the John guy - he's smart enough to manipulate and destroy the final 5, and then he bitches and moans that he can't upgrade himself into something better (having only a human body with human limitations in sight and sound).

You'd think that he would learn himself or force someone smart enough to help him evolve into something better than his "human" form.

3) It is interesting that John and Daniel is a play off the Cain and Abel biblical story. I would love Gais Balter=Daniel. Funny how, the colonies are polytheistic while the Cylons are Monotheistic.
 
My new theory after thinking it over is one of two things for Daniel:

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Daniel is starbucks dad. That would make her the first real cylon/human hybrid. Remember, she was always told she was 'special'. It would also explain why the hybrid offspring are considered so damn important in the visions etc. Maybe they can resurrect without a hub.

or

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Starbuck is Daniel. Ellen said that John messed Daniel up genetically etc. That could mean it also changed his sex. It would be awesome if it shows her previous form was Dirk Benedict (unlikely though or his name would have appeared on imdb I think).

or

3-
It's baltar. That would explain his messed up delusions of six?

But i have a gut hunch that most of the Daniel storyline is for the new Caprica series.

Either way -
I think Starbucks resurrecting had something to with Ellens secret hidden 'colony/lab'.

Also, did anyone else appreciate the new opening? Think that will last the rest of the season?
Edit - nevermind, watching the enhanced version on scifi.com and RDM says they created it just for this episode to show the audience this episode was different.
 
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Also... after a night of sleeping.. who the hell Nuked earth? and where the hell did they go? cuz the 5 had to spend 4000 years traveling to get to the colonies... so is there a super advanced race of cylons 4000 years into the future hiding around somewhere as well?
 
[quote name='billyrox']Also... after a night of sleeping.. who the hell Nuked earth? and where the hell did they go? cuz the 5 had to spend 4000 years traveling to get to the colonies... so is there a super advanced race of cylons 4000 years into the future hiding around somewhere as well?[/QUOTE]

That's one of the big questions. There are still a good number of questions left to be answered.

It suddenly occurred to me how interesting it would be now to go back and watch Tyrol confessing to brother Cavil about his dreams, wondering if he's a cylon. Since it's now known Cavil knew all along who the final 5 were.

It also occurred to me that in order for Ellen to download, bodies of the final 5 had to already exist in tanks somewhere kept secret by Cavil.

Here is a pretty good concise article that sums up that episode.
 
I've got a question for you all. I just finished watching the first half of this season yesterday and now am wondering without giving much away have they revealed the 5th cylon yet? I plan on downloading the rest of the episodes that have already aired and start watching to catch up but I was just wondering if it's happened yet.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']That's one of the big questions. There are still a good number of questions left to be answered.

It suddenly occurred to me how interesting it would be now to go back and watch Tyrol confessing to brother Cavil about his dreams, wondering if he's a cylon. Since it's now known Cavil knew all along who the final 5 were.

It also occurred to me that in order for Ellen to download, bodies of the final 5 had to already exist in tanks somewhere kept secret by Cavil.

Here is a pretty good concise article that sums up that episode.[/quote]

thanks for the article
 
[quote name='bill123']I've got a question for you all. I just finished watching the first half of this season yesterday and now am wondering without giving much away have they revealed the 5th cylon yet? I plan on downloading the rest of the episodes that have already aired and start watching to catch up but I was just wondering if it's happened yet.[/QUOTE]

If you are absolutely sure you want to know the answer to that (I wouldn't):
Yes.
 
I'm not gonna look at the spoiler thrustbucket. I just wanted a yes or no for my own curiosity. I was just wondering if it had been revealed yet or if they might string it out until the last episode.
 
I just had a weird feeling that the Cylons on Earth were nuked by humans.

Secondly, who the hell made the random space object with a virus in the 2nd season that would have completely annihilated the cylon race?
 
I only put a yes or no in the spoiler. Just so you could think long and hard before clicking it. :)

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While in the shower, something suddenly occurred to me that I need to share before I forget it, that I have not read yet on any other forum.

In the last episode Anders said (rather quickly so it was easy to miss) "Back on Earth, the warning signs we got, they looked different to each one of us. I saw a woman. Tori, you saw a man. Funny, no one else could see them. Gaylen, you thought you had a chip in your head." Then he was interrupted.

I think that's the biggest bomb dropped in the whole episode. Clearly those are huge huge hints that they experienced the exact same thing Six and Balter do, seeing people that nobody else does. "you thought you had a chip in your head"? How many times did Baltar say the same thing?

My guess is that IS the "one true god". Keeping with the whole theme of "It's happened before and will happen again", I think this cycle has been going on for eons of time. At some point, someone implanted a genetic "program" that would help correct and steer humanity back on course through religious visions when things are getting nasty. It even happens to the centurions, which is why they feel so inclined to create skin jobs - because it's the image of their "god" which they want to be like.

I think RDM is an atheist as is highly unlikely to end the show with any "mystical" answers for who "The one true god" is, or anything.

This theory also strongly suggests that one of the big reveals at the end is that everyone is a cylon. Everyone was "created" by a previous model. Cylon detection only detects the current generation as "artificial".
 
[quote name='bill123']I'm not gonna look at the spoiler thrustbucket. I just wanted a yes or no for my own curiosity. I was just wondering if it had been revealed yet or if they might string it out until the last episode.[/quote]


Yes, we know all the Cylons now, at least their names. You find out several episodes back and "No Exit" deals with him/her/it/they. You really should be in here if you don't want to be spoiled.
 
Okay, loved this week's episode, but the guest-appearance by John Hodgman was *really* distracting, and sucked me right out of the experience. Why did they think that was a good idea? That's like putting Howie Mandel in an episode and expecting me to take it seriously!
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']Okay, loved this week's episode, but the guest-appearance by John Hodgman was *really* distracting, and sucked me right out of the experience. Why did they think that was a good idea? That's like putting Howie Mandel in an episode and expecting me to take it seriously![/quote]

Yeah, I didn't need PC guy there, that was really odd for an episode so serious.

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I know we all groaned at Ellen returning, but I found myself kind of liking this version
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Me too, much better than the old version, however I wasn't groaning about the return.
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']

Yes we will have to wait until the last episodes to get the last episodes. :lol:

Dirk Benedict is a dick, he has always been a Dick and always will be.
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:lol: You know what I mean.

[quote name='billyrox']What I dont understand is Skinjobs or artificial life forms create Centurions as well??? WTF? and these Centurions rebelled against the human-made artificial life forms and nuked them? that makes no sense

and meanwhile... back on the colonies, real humans create Centurions too?[/quote]

From what I understand the skin job Cylons on Earth build their own Centurions, who then rebelled. The few remaining skin jobs return to the colonies, only to find the human created Cylons have rebelled, and want organic forms. The "final five" agree to give them organic forms if they end the war on humans (which is why we saw in Razor the war ending without any reason).

The human centurions are then transferred into the 7 (8 originally) bodies, and start building their own centurions, as well as hybrid machine/organic Raiders and Basestars.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']:lol: You know what I mean.



From what I understand the skin job Cylons on Earth build their own Centurions, who then rebelled. The few remaining skin jobs return to the colonies, only to find the human created Cylons have rebelled, and want organic forms. The "final five" agree to give them organic forms if they end the war on humans (which is why we saw in Razor the war ending without any reason).

The human centurions are then transferred into the 7 (8 originally) bodies, and start building their own centurions, as well as hybrid machine/organic Raiders and Basestars.[/quote]


So why do skin job cylons need Centurions? Aren't skin job cylons more advanced?
 
[quote name='billyrox']So why do skin job cylons need Centurions? Aren't skin job cylons more advanced?[/QUOTE]

It's been pretty obvious. They are slaves. They do the dirty work. The skinjobs have pretty much said as much.

They (cavil) even had inhibitors put on them so they couldn't think freely, which was part of why half the cylons rebelled.
 
okay... that was not very obvious to me.


so big picture: humans create robots. robots rebel. robots then create new robots. the new robots rebel. over and over again. so essentially, the theme is no one wants to work.


that is stupid. if skin jobs are so damn advanced, why would they create a new "race" of cylons to work for them? are they really that lazy? why do robots need robot slaves?


and why not specifically create artificially stupid robots grunts with no ability to evolve or just super efficient machines to do all the slave work? end vicious cycle.
 
Nobody has really known it was a cycle. Everyone thought they were making them for the first time, I think. Except for the final five, who wanted to get back to the 12 colonies to warn them about creating AI.

I recommend reading the article I linked above, it gives a very concise layout of the time line.
 
[quote name='billyrox']
that is stupid. if skin jobs are so damn advanced, why would they create a new "race" of cylons to work for them? are they really that lazy? why do robots need robot slaves?

and why not specifically create artificially stupid robots grunts with no ability to evolve or just super efficient machines to do all the slave work? end vicious cycle.[/quote]


:wall::dunce::imwithst:

Skin jobs are like humans and humans create machines to do the work for them.

Did you even watch the episode? The final five went to the colonies to warn them not to make AI! They were too late!
 
This post over at the BSG board seems to bring things together nicely:

I may be slightly rough on some specific details, but I believe I can accurately reconstruct the time line based on what was revealed in tonight's episode. I'm obviously not going to get everything right, but I'm hoping to at least be on the right track. Also, I'm doing this because I want people to find the gaps and flaws and together we can better understand everything. I could be way off, but I'm trying to put the pieces together, and sometimes you just have to speculate.

"All this has happened before, and will happen again."

In the beginning...there was Kobol.

An unspecified amount of time ago, Kobol was inhabited by a race of humans. These were the "Lords of Kobol." They were technologically advanced, but we have no reference as to whether or not they had the capability to travel at light speed. However, we do know that they had the the ability to perform an organic memory transfer, or a resurrection. We don't know if they had the ability to procreate for sure, but they obviously maintained their species either through procreation, resurrection, or a combination of both. Now, this is tough and kind of a hole for me.

At some point in their history, these great minds of Kobol gained the ability to create another race. Enter the first intelligent machine race.

This machine race was originally similar to what are called the Centurions, or perhaps they were the early versions. As their intelligence increased, they realized they were unsatisfied, and rebelled against their creators. A war was fought and some sort of truce was declared, and the Centurions retreated. However, during the span of the war, the Centurions were able to create a Hybrid, a combination of human and machine, that was capable of procreation, suggesting that the original inhabitants of Kobol could in fact procreate and resurrect. These hybrids would quickly become the leaders of the machine race once they are perfected, as their ability to procreate and use resurrection technology makes them valuable. The war ends in truce, with one of the stipulations being the machines must go into exile. The machines would be content with this, because they had gained the ability to create the Hybrids. These Hybrids will come to represent the Thirteenth Tribe, the inhabitants of Earth.l

Ever wonder why 12 tribes stayed together and the Thirteenth was lost, and mostly regarded as mythical? This is why. The Thirteenth Tribe were the exiled machine Hybrids. Yes that's right, the Thirteenth Tribe was not human.

So why did the Lords of Kobol choose to abandon their planet? I don't know. This is another hole. However, I could speculate that they feared the machines they had created and exiled would one day return to destroy them. Thus, they left, fearing their weakened society could not withstand another attack. These are the 12 Colonies, the inhabitants of Caprica and other planets, who travel from Kobol to their new homes.

Now lets return to the exiled machines. Suddenly cut off from their creators, those supposed to love them, the machines are without a figure of authority to govern their actions. This causes them to emulate their creators, thus as their society begins to flourish on Earth, it also progresses on much the same lines as human society. As must also have certainly occurred in the 12 colonies, this progression causes procreation to begin ultimately taking the place of resurrection. As we learned tonight, the process and technology for resurrection was slowly lost as it was replaced by procreation.

Somewhere along the lines, the Hybrids create the concept of the One True God to allow them purpose and to govern their society. It is for them the culmination of morality and love, something they can certainly experience.

Now, here's where things get interesting. As the race of Hybrids is procreating and dying, generations pass, until finally resurrection is barely more than a myth. Enter the Final Five, who at this point are nothing more than regular Hybrid "people" with childhoods, friends, social lives, and absolutely no relevance or significance in the grand scheme of things. However, their unique backgrounds force them together to discover and reinvent resurrection. And why do they begin frantically trying to reinvent the resurrection process? They are warned, but we don't know by who. Thus, they are able to reconstruct the technology of the Lords of Kobol, and per the warning, plan an escape route in case Earth is attacked. And who is attacking Earth? I'm not sure about this. Either the original Centurions created on Kobol were responsible, or the Hybrids themselves spawned a machine race that ultimately rebelled against them. Remember, this is one big cycle, and several times in tonight's episode references are made to "We have to tell them creating intelligent life will end in disaster if you don't treat them right" or something to that effect. Obviously, the Hybrids from Earth were all too familiar with creations rebelling against their creators.

So, when Earth is nuked, presumably by Centurions created or managed by the Hybrids, the Final Five are killed, but are resurrected into a ship orbiting the Earth, where they immediately set out to find the other 12 colonies. Now, I believe this suggests that the Hybrids have evolved socially in their emulation of mankind for so long, and consider the old conflicts forgotten and both Centurions and Humans their kin. Thus is the love and forgiveness of the One True God. On their way to the 12 Colonies, they leave behind clues to that they were at certain places at certain times. The 3,000 year old virus found from Earth, the map in the Temple of Athena, and other signs of their presence and records of their journey and point of origin. They are responsible for the "map" or "path" back to Earth that the Fleet ultimately follows. To me, this makes the character of Kara Thrace incredibly significant, but that's a whole other post. So for now, the Final Five survivors of Earth are heading to the 12 Colonies.

Ok, I know this is a lot to digest. Try to stay with me. Any or all of this can probably be disproved, but I think I'm at least in the right direction.

So to recap thus far...the human inhabitants of Kobol create a machine race that rebels. In the process, Hybrids are created. The machine race is defeated and exiled, and the Hybrids travel to Earth as the Thirteenth Colony in attempt to recreate a human like society. Meanwhile, the humans on Kobol decide to leave, fearing a future attack. They become the 12 Colonies. They travel to their new system of planets, and form the society we are familiar with. Now for their time line.

At least 50 or so years before the first episode of the series, the human inhabitants of the 12 colonies create a machine race of Centurion like beings. Whether they had always had the capacity to create is unknown, but I believe that having learned from their mistakes, the original settlers from Kobol destroyed all information that could lead to the creation of a machine race. Enter the prophecies and scripture of pythian subscribers as both a warning and a guide. Thus, it was long time before mankind reached this achievement again in their new environment. However, reach it they do, and the Cylons are born. I believe the terminology is important, because their is no reason to suggest this name was ever given to a machine race until this time. Thus, Cylon represents the machines created by the 12 Colonies and any resulting machine creations, such as the 8 Cylon "skin job" models. But I digress...

The Centurion Cylons eventually, in the tradition of the cycle, become discontent with their roles in this social system, and rebel against the humans. As the war progresses, the Centurions begin working to create their own race of Hybrids, again a combination of human and Cylon. At this point, the surviving five members of the Thirteenth Tribe, or the Final Five, finally reach the new home of their former civilization. Upon arriving, they realize they are too late, that humanity is already engaged in a war with their technological creation. Hoping to end further conflict, they convince the Cylons to declare peace with the humans in exchange for their assistance in the Cylon's pursuit of the creation of a Hybrid race. The Cylons agree, and the Final Five do in fact create a Hybrid race. In so doing, however, the Final Five also construct their own Cylon models, the 8 models we know as "skin jobs."

However, there is a problem. One, or the first model created, is far more knowledgeable than the rest. Because of his position as the first created, he has the unique opportunity of knowing at least one of his creators, Ellen. However, as is always the case, he quickly realizes the limitations of his human like state, and he begins to form a plan to both punish and enlighten his creators. He murders the Final Five, trapping each of their consciousness, or boxing them. Then, he figures out a way to erase their memory upon resurrection, and in this way, is able to systematically plant them into the everyday society of the 12 Colonies. Thus, they have no knowledge of their past, and are simply programmed with certain triggers implanted by One to help them survive, suffer, and ultimately force them to endure the awful fate of humanity. One is responsible for the Final Five's inclusion in the Fleet, he is responsible for the nuking of the 12 Colonies, and he is responsible for the ensuing hardships faced by the the Fleet in space and on New Caprica.

So to recap. The Lords of Kobol created the Centurions, who created the Hybrids. The Centurions are exiled following their rebellion, and Hybrids in tow, seek out a new planet to inhabit, Earth. This is the Thirteenth Colony. Hybrids begin to evolve socially along the same patterns as human society, leading to eventually casting aside the Kobol resurrection ability in place of procreation. Inevitably, there is a conflict between Centurions and Hybrids, and the Centurions are exiled from Earth. However, they return decades later and destroy the Hybrid race. But, the five Hybrids were warned of this attack, and using their skills, were able to reconstruct the resurrection process and plan an escape. They are successful, and leave a destroyed Earth in search of their lost "semi-relatives" in order to warn them and protect their original civilization. Thousands of years pass while they travel through space, during which time the 12 Colonies have also turned to procreation rather than resurrection. Just before the Hybrids from Earth arrive, the humans of the 12 Colonies create a machine race, the Cylons. The Cylons eventually rebel, and a war begins. During the war, the Cylons began heavy research and experimentation into creating Hybrids of humans and Cylons. Upon arriving, the Hybrids from Earth agree to help them realize this if they agree to end the war with humanity. Following that, the Hybrids from Earth, or the Final Five, create their own Cylon line, which eventually rebels against them. One, the first model, launches a plan to punish his creators, using humanity as a prop, which leads to the destruction of the 12 Colonies and the creation of the Fleet. This leaves us right in the heart of the conflict we have been watching unfold.

That pretty much is all I've got as far as what occurred from Kobol to the first episode. I know its lengthy, but I hope it was at least entertaining, if not accurate. I realize it has taken me awhile to write this, and some other posts may already exist similar or better than this one, but I appreciate input all the same. As I said before, this is simply an attempt to reconstruct the time line. There are many other aspects of the show still left to address, and I may consider another post addressing some of those. However, tonight's episode was very enlightening for me as far as the chain of events that led to where we are now. Please comment and let's finish the puzzle.

Don't forget the overall theme here...if you don't appreciate and respect your creation, it will destroy you.

Of course, I'm thinking that:
this might be him. Or maybe this scene is to show you that Kara is "artistic", like her father.
 
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[quote name='bigdaddy']:wall::dunce::imwithst:

Skin jobs are like humans and humans create machines to do the work for them.

Did you even watch the episode? The final five went to the colonies to warn them not to make AI! They were too late![/quote]

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I did watch the damn episode.

What i'm saying is that it seems ridiculous that Skin Jobs (who are like humans but are NOT humans) create new artificial intelligence when they are already artificial intelligence themselves.



Why the hell would they create new artifical intelligence race to enslave and do to them exactly was done to themselves? Of all the things to avoid you would think that they would realize not to do that.


What exactly are you saying? they thought that they were humans? So they wipe their collective memory after leaving Kobal and pretend they are all human beings (AND revert back to pre artifical intelligence era) to purposely doom themselves into repeating their own mistakes?
 
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Why the hell would they create new artifical intelligence race to enslave and do to them exactly was done to themselves? Of all the things to avoid you would think that they would realize not to do that.
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My guess is because they didn't want to do any of the work they were forced to do as slaves for the humans.
 
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