Battlestar Galactica: It's Frakking Over; The Plan coming this fall

Zak Adama and Starbuck's mother are in the next episode. More flashbacks?

The piano player can't be Daniel because Ellen would've recognized him.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']
Zak Adama and Starbuck's mother are in the next episode. More flashbacks?

The piano player can't be Daniel because Ellen would've recognized him.[/QUOTE]

Why would she see him? I thought the piano player was only in Starbuck's mind. That guy disappeared right after Tigh grabbed Starbuck's hand and questioned her about that song. He couldn't have gone anywhere since Ellen, Tory, and Tigh surrounded the piano.
 
[quote name='Over easy']Why would she see him? I thought the piano player was only in Starbuck's mind.[/QUOTE]
I mean, it wouldn't have been a real, living Daniel. Daniel hasn't been in the fleet all along or anything.
 
Theory and prediction time:

This last episode further made the point that there definitely is a third faction at play. At the end, Ellen even said so when she said something like "Something is manipulating all of us".
Starbuck is clearly a cylon, or half-cylon, but of a different breed. My guess is that the lords of kobol are responsible for her, or she is one. A super sleeper agent for them, like boomer, perhaps.
This last episode also showed that bsg cylons can project to others in close proximity. This is important, because that's essentially what these "head people" are - projections from a much more advanced race (again, my bets are the lords of kobol).
My guess is that the lords of kobol have been projecting themselves into key people all along to manipulate events. I believe the lords of kobol are basically human/cylons that learned to co-exist and are trying to guide their 'children' to do the same.
The prophecy said that the dying leader will come to know the meaning of the opera house (from the cylon ship hybrid) and then die. In the last episode, i think Roslin found it out, and she'll die in next weeks episode.
Galactica is on it's last legs. The reason next weeks episode is titled "islanded in a stream of stars" is because Galactica is done, it's stuck, and it's over. I also think Adama will stay with it and probably die with it, while everyone else moves on, because without Roslin, he'll have little motivation to move on; his character has transformed from caring for the fleet to caring mostly just for Roslin. Of course, this will be after a big fight with Cavil, and we'll see Cavil on galactica with centurions, it will be great.
The last two episodes will have the characters getting to a planet of some sort eventually.
By the way, in the podcast for this last episode is, RDM made it clear that the piano man was starbucks father (or at least his image). I really do not think daniel will be explored any further in this show. RDM has made it clear that Daniel's story is for the Caprica series, and I do not think Starbuck is daniel. If her father is daniel, I don't think that will be made clear in BSG.
 
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[quote name='javeryh']Live at the ????? Opera House. Interesting.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I was proud to have picked up on that title and head daddy as the episode went along. Usually I'm too engaged to think straight. Boomer totally suckered me, but then I'm partial to cylons.

I keep wondering if Daniel wasn't more than a simple artist. All we've got to go on is a throwaway line from Ellen. Maybe he was more of a rogue cylon whose artistic creations involved heretofore unrevealed models. Could be a roundabout explanation for head daddy and head six.

Happy to have found this thread...had no idea it existed. I'm a little confused on the spoilering rules based on what I've read of earlier posts, so if I'm in violation please let me know. Thanks.
 
My wife called the "in Starbuck's head" thing but we didn't catch the fine print on the cassette. Either way it seems like there is WAY too much left to wrap up in 3 episodes. I mean we could have 3 hours of Anders blabbering again and I still think it wouldn't be enough.
 
[quote name='javeryh']My wife called the "in Starbuck's head" thing but we didn't catch the fine print on the cassette. Either way it seems like there is WAY too much left to wrap up in 3 episodes. I mean we could have 3 hours of Anders blabbering again and I still think it wouldn't be enough.[/quote]

That's because the writers have poor management of time and wasted 90+ minutes in the last two episodes.

[quote name='dafoomie']
Zak Adama and Starbuck's mother are in the next episode. More flashbacks?
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That's not really a spoiler, the last few are supposed to be VERY flashback heavy.
 
[quote name='dothog']Yeah, I was proud to have picked up on that title and head daddy as the episode went along. Usually I'm too engaged to think straight. Boomer totally suckered me, but then I'm partial to cylons.

I keep wondering if Daniel wasn't more than a simple artist. All we've got to go on is a throwaway line from Ellen. Maybe he was more of a rogue cylon whose artistic creations involved heretofore unrevealed models. Could be a roundabout explanation for head daddy and head six.

Happy to have found this thread...had no idea it existed. I'm a little confused on the spoilering rules based on what I've read of earlier posts, so if I'm in violation please let me know. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

With spoilers, just generally try not to blurt out new reveals and plot points from the most current episode. I think that's the unspoken rule everyone has been following.
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']That's because the writers have poor management of time and wasted 90+ minutes in the last two episodes.[/QUOTE]
If what you're saying is why couldn't they have planned more in advance and crammed some of this into season 3 or 4.0, sure I can see that. It's just been bang-bang-bang: earth is wasted, corpse starbuck on earth, ellen resurrects, cylon backstory becomes clearer, mutiny, council gunned down, gaeta executed, roslin returns with boomer, cylon fetus dies, hera kidnapped, so on. Big themes and big reveals are dropping like flies.

On the other hand, I think it's disingenuous of viewers to expect a writer--or worse yet group of writers---to sit down and say, "Here's 5 years of episodes. Now let's shoot them." They had an overarching idea and they've oscillated around that as they saw fit. Ideas have come and gone, and they're just running with the best stuff they can come up with.

I guess my main complaint with the writers would also be directed at the producers: if you had all these great ideas that unfortunately came a little late in the run of the series, did you at least consider extending the run a little? Just to give every story its due? I'm sure SciFi would've loved to have had another half season of episodes to space out over another 4 years.
 
I was certainly expecting more "big" things to happen, but it was mostly character driven so I can't complain.

I was surprised to see Adama decide to abandon ship. I totally expected him to go down with it.

It's funny that the past 3 episodes everyone has been like "ok, this was the big set up, the shit is comin next". I guess that has to be true now though, only the finale left (albeit split in half and very long).
 
Just because Adama said to leave the ship doesn't mean he won't go down with it.

I so hope everyone dies in the finale, it would make up for the slowness of the last few episodes.
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']Just because Adama said to leave the ship doesn't mean he won't go down with it.

I so hope everyone dies in the finale, it would make up for the slowness of the last few episodes.[/QUOTE]

At the end of the episode with the preview for the next to the last episode, it shows Adama giving a speach to the Galactica about going on a mission that will be a "one way trip." So maybe they locate the Cylon colony, and they're taking the Galactica on a suicide mission. That's what I got from it.. but then you have Starbuck.. maybe she'll be like Blair from Wing Commander, and she'll be some bad ass pilot that destroys the whole thing in the inevitable final battle between Galactica and the Cylons.
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']Just because Adama said to leave the ship doesn't mean he won't go down with it.

I so hope everyone dies in the finale, it would make up for the slowness of the last few episodes.[/QUOTE]

After Baltar's speech about death not being the end, and Startbuck being proof of that, I think they might be headed into some direction where yes, Galactica goes down, and whoever is left on it. But, somehow, that won't be their "end", after all if a Viper can be resurrected, why not Galactica?
 
Frankly, I was completely disappointed with this week's episode. The trend of the final 10 episodes had been substance over fluff until now. The only useful tidbits were
Hera showing Galactica engaged in a battle with a basestar and Adama's acceptance that Galactica was dying.
I really could have done without the remaining 38 minutes of the show...
 
I can't believe that nothing significant has happened for a while now. I'm less interested in the fate of the ship than I am in the fate of the people on it.
 
This last episode was the only time I've ever questioned EJ Olmos and the writers' craft re: Adama. I just don't see a seasoned soldier breaking down like that, due either to the peril of losing Galactica or that of "going down with the ship." I would think at that point, the soldier in him might even be relieved at the thought of ending what was a lifelong battle.

Another way to put it is that the whole crying in the cylon paint scene was pitiful QQ. I think they might have felt the later have-a-drink-to-the-"grand lady" scene is kind of cliche (which it is), and they wanted to absolve that by doing something out of the ordinary. It didn't work IMO.

I agree in general that the episode wasn't anything special. There's so much to mine with Hera, Boomer, and Cavil, and I felt like we got shortchanged. Would have liked to have heard Cavil spout some more machine talk.

The writers sure picked the wrong fights this episode--there's so much to do, so much they could possibly detail, and it's all getting washed away in the push to the end. Tyrol's despair could take up a subplot--really enjoyed seeing the Chief get screwed with like that in the last episode, especially given the actor's response to the opportunity, and now we get no follow up. Instead it's more starbuck drama with a little apollo/starbuck shenanigans thrown in at the end to keep the fanfictioners happy.
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']I so hope everyone dies in the finale...[/QUOTE]
I don't know exactly why, but I want this, too. However, it's as improbable that everyone dies as everyone survives. As we know the latter cannot happen, I don't see why the former could. My only hope then is that the survivors are limited. The big characters, though--yeah, they should all die.

Save Number 3, though. And give her a spin-off series, where it's just her roaming around the universe, speaking with her native accent, using her feminine cylon wiles on unsuspecting alien life forms.

Yes, yes, I'm picturing it now and it is glorious....:drool:
 
Yeah, this was probably the second worst episode of the season, maybe the worst cause it's the second to last episode. A half hour of flashbacks? Awful, just awful. Very, very disappointing.

There was no reason for this episode and the last one to be separate. They really could have just combined them into one by cutting the crap no one cares about. I mean, I get that this show is about characters, and I'm sure all this will work much, much better when viewed in a marathon on DVD, but week-to-week, there just isn't time for this shit.
 
It works because next week is 2 hours. I didn't mind it so much since what they did was done pretty well, unlike previous seasons.

Is Baltar the drunk driver?
 
I didn't mind so much either. It was an ok episode, but I couldn't help feel like this stuff should have been covered 2 episodes ago. Oh well.

And I thought everyone knew the last 3 hours were going to be very flashback heavy. Expect the last 2 hours to be half flashbacks as well.
 
[quote name='evanft']Well that's frakking stupid.[/quote]

Yep.

The last 6 episodes were building up, they needed to deliver and they didn't.
 
Not really sure where they' re going with the flashbacks. Hopefully, it will lead to something significant. At least we'll get the final showdown we've been wating for.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they leave some stuff up in the air like how Starbuck pulled off her resurrection or where they'll make their new home. Back to New Caprica or Kobol seem like the only options.
 
[quote name='road3283']Not really sure where they' re going with the flashbacks. Hopefully, it will lead to something significant. At least we'll get the final showdown we've been wating for.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they leave some stuff up in the air like how Starbuck pulled off her resurrection or where they'll make their new home. Back to New Caprica or Kobol seem like the only options.[/quote]

I think it is meant to show that there is a God playing these people along.

There can be more than 2 planets to live on. They better fine a planet and start a colony, that colony can be our Earth.
 
[quote name='evanft']Well that's frakking stupid.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's funny, after wanting things to slow down so we could see how things play out, after watching that last episode I immediately had the "frak this" impulse. I guess they're going to use flashbacks and show us how it's all tied together...terrific, we get to discuss the significance of somebody chasing a bird out of a house with a broom. If it turns out the string that ties the whole opera house thing together is that they all drank alcohol at some time in their past and/or operated motor vehicles while intoxicated, BSG can go frak itself.

EDIT: Also, to be fair, maybe it's best to see this last episode straight through with the final two hours. I dunno. Most of that one left me cold, in any case.
 
Eight hours left until the finale begins. This episode better be one of the best finales in the history of TV. If it is then it might be one of my top 10 one hour shows ever. If it's not then I feel like I wasted the last few years watching a show with no plan.

The thing I find most surprising is that there have been no leaks. No leaked episodes, not even any leaked spoilers for the finale in months and months and months. The only spoiler I remember reading awhile ago is that.... (Massive spoiler)

The show will end with Six walking around our NYC in her red dress.

But who knows if that is even correct.
 
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[quote name='bigdaddy']Eight hours left until the finale begins. This episode better be one of the best finales in the history of TV. If it is then it might be one of my top 10 one hour shows ever. If it's not then I feel like I wasted the last few years watching a show with no plan.

The thing I find most surprising is that there have been no leaks. No leaked episodes, not even any leaked spoilers for the finale in months and months and months. The only spoiler I remember reading awhile ago is that.... (Massive spoiler)

The show will end with Six walking around our NYC in her red dress.

But who knows if that is even correct.[/QUOTE]

I've heard that spoiler too. I'm actually hoping it's true because the only thing I ask for at this point is for it all be tied into our Earth/Humans/Reality/Universe some how. I am expecting to the finale to be something nobody expected, and by that, I mean I expect it to be nothing big, no big mind fuck or shocking revelation, just a finale. And that's fine with me.

The only thing that will really upset me with the finale is if they leave stuff to be answered by Caprica.

But I am fully expecting a bunch of bitching on this thread tonight. :)
 
Spoilers? Here's one I picked up skimming a thread over at the SF BSG forum:

BSG takes place in the past, the distant past. I believe it was somewhere in the 150,000 years area.

I stopped reading to avoid major revelations. I will make predictions, though!

- Roslin will die.
- Adama will die.
- Baltar will die.
- Dirk Benedict :)pray:)
 
- Drunk Saul and Adama is always awesome.

- President Romo?!?!?! JOYGASM!!!!!

- Centurions with awesome red stripe.

Is it just me, or are there more commercials than usual?
 
so what hte hell was Kara thrace anyway.. and what was the music she heard... to take her to earth.. i mean that was never explained
 
Well I have to say this is the best series final I have seen.
I like how they did make it to earth and that it was the earth from the past
. Only thing I don't get is what was all that about starbuck being the harbiter of death. Nothing as of now seems to have had anything to do with that.
 
[quote name='billyrox']so what hte hell was Kara thrace anyway.. and what was the music she heard... to take her to earth.. i mean that was never explained[/quote]

There are about 18 minutes left. I think she was just a head character, though sent by whomever sends the head characters, or maybe she just walked away and we never saw it.
 
she was a head character. well she was real then died then was a head character I think. I still wonder what that was about her being the harbiter of death bit.

why am I even posting using spoilers. anyone reading this thread is chances are watching this. What an ending to a great series. I think I'm going to miss this show.
 
Yeah that Kara thing was shocking... and cheap at the same time.

However Roslin made it to the promise land, so the book was wrong.
 
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