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An evangelical leader is calling for a boycott of Glenn Beck's television show and challenging the Fox News personality to a public debate after Beck vilified churches that preach economic and social justice. The Rev. Jim Wallis, president of Sojourners, a network of progressive Christians, says Beck perverted Jesus' message when he urged Christians last week to leave churches that preach social and economic justice.
Beck told his audience that they should leave churches that preach "economic and social justice." Wallis says Beck compared those churches to Communists and Nazis.
Wallis says at least a thousand people have already responded to his call to boycott Beck. He says Beck is confusing his personal philosophy with the Bible.
"He wants us to leave our churches, but we should leave him," Wallis says of Beck. "When your political philosophy is to consistently favor the rich over the poor, you don't want to hear about economic justice."
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/03/12/beck.boycott/

Crazy like a fox or crazy on Fox? To me it's a stupid fight for Glenn to pick whatever the ratings bump might be.

It also makes me wonder what's going on in those churches that don't preach economic and social justice.
 
Don't they know that Jesus was actually an oil tycoon? He never said anything about the meek inheriting the earth, he said the weak will be buried beneath the earth.
 
Actually I heard Jesus was an ardent supporter of the Roman government and even attempted to convince his followers that the best way to help out their fellow human beings was to offer up more taxes.

I guess it was removed from the bible pretty early though, otherwise Beck would understand.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Actually I heard Jesus was an ardent supporter of the Roman government and even attempted to convince his followers that the best way to help out their fellow human beings was to offer up more taxes.

I guess it was removed from the bible pretty early though, otherwise Beck would understand.[/QUOTE]

This sounds like a joke, but the post handle has thrustbucket, which would require a set of skills I'm not sure he possesses, sooooo.......
 
Jim Wallis is soopa leftist.

I'm not exaggerating.

Well, ok, not *soopa*, but he's made a career out of publishing books that promote the positively *insane* idea that the political right doesn't have the market cornered on Jesus Christ.

Let that last sentence sink in for a minute.
 
Beck is a Mormon, but a church spokesman said Beck's comments are his own.
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"One way to read the Book of Mormon," Barlow [the Arrington professor of Mormon history and culture at Utah State University] told the Times, "is that it's a vast tract on social justice. It's ubiquitous in the Book of Mormon to have the prophetic figures, much like in the Hebrew Bible, calling out those who are insensitive to injustices."

He said some comments he received do suggest that Beck is asking even LDS Church members to leave their faith.

The Times also interviewed Kent P. Jackson, associate dean of religion at BYU. "My own experience as a believing Latter-day Saint over the course of 60 years is that I have seen social justice in practice in every LDS congregation I've been in," Jackson said. "People endeavor with all of our frailties and shortcomings to love one another and to lift up other people. So if that's Beck's definition of social justice, he and I are definitely not on the same team."

LDS Church President Thomas S. Monson encouraged members during the church's last General Conference to reach out and help others every day.

"We are the Lord's hands here upon the earth, with the mandate to serve and to lift his children," President Monson said. "He is dependent upon each of us."
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Mr. Barlow said that Mr. Beck’s comments were particularly ill-timed because just this year, the church’s highest authority, the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, issued a new “Handbook of Instructions” to church leaders in which they revised the church’s “three-fold mission” and added a fourth mission statement: care for the poor.
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Sounds like Beck should practice like he... err.. preaches.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']Why is anyone still giving Beck attention?

Just stop, please.[/QUOTE]

What are you talking about.

Beck is fan-fucking-tastic.

IMO Christianity was started with the best of intentions. Anyone who can get Christians to again focus on helping the poor is aces in my book.
 
There is a profound difference between an individual choice to help the poor and forcing society to support the poor through political action. One is a moral choice, the other is Democracy.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']There is a profound difference between an individual choice to help the poor and forcing society to support the poor through political action. One is a moral choice, the other is Democracy.[/QUOTE]

Dude.

Ok.

We get your gimmick.

I could write the bulk of your posts in the v forum *for you* because you're that predictable.

But you make it difficult when your "throw the dart at the board and type the metaphor I hit" approach doesn't jive with the content of the thread. What does your banter have to do with anything? How does this reflect on Beck's call for a boycott or the very nature of religious organizations (hurrrr, social justice, hurrrrr) to begin with?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Dude.

Ok.

We get your gimmick.

I could write the bulk of your posts in the v forum *for you* because you're that predictable.

But you make it difficult when your "throw the dart at the board and type the metaphor I hit" approach doesn't jive with the content of the thread. What does your banter have to do with anything? How does this reflect on Beck's call for a boycott or the very nature of religious organizations (hurrrr, social justice, hurrrrr) to begin with?[/QUOTE]

Gee myke, nothing predictable about YOU, is there....
 
Asking people to make moral choices as a leader of a religion is religions proper role. Using that religion as a political arm to negate the freedom of choice of everyone else is , well, you know exactly what that is because it's YOUR M.O.
 
I understand that point completely. The people who collect offerings at my church hold a gun to my head when they do it. And my 3-year contract means I can't switch churches until mid-2012.

:lol:
 
watching that Massa interview, I thought Massa would be the only one who would look bad in that interview. Beck looked pretty desperate. On the plus side, we have his sign off:

"America, I'm gonna shoot straight with you. I think I've wasted your time. I have wasted an hour of your time. And I apologize for that."
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[quote name='mykevermin']I understand that point completely. The people who collect offerings at my church hold a gun to my head when they do it. And my 3-year contract means I can't switch churches until mid-2012.

:lol:[/QUOTE]

Ah, part of the Cult of Apple that worships at the Apple store? I hear another prophecy is coming alongside the iPad.
 
[quote name='georox']Ah, part of the Cult of Apple that worships at the Apple store? I hear another prophecy is coming alongside the iPad.[/QUOTE]

They have a security guard posted outside the Apple store at my mall. They operate it like a nightclub, with a line at the door and a limit on the number of people who can be in the store. They even get out a rope when something hot comes out, like a new Ipod. When I walked by on Friday there was one lady in line, she was arguing with the guard that she was being discriminated against.
 
Those of us who are Christians are called to give to the poor. This is something that's very clear not just in the Bible but just about EVERY religion on the planet.
 
[quote name='RareDropRadio']Those of us who are Christians are called to give to the poor. This is something that's very clear not just in the Bible but just about EVERY religion on the planet.[/QUOTE]

I never could understand why this is such a contestable point. Religion? Social justice? Help for the poor? Hell, I bet there's even clear guidance for Jainists on this one, man.

But then again, the way christianity has intersected with capitalism (an economic form the Bible condemns in terms far more clearly than it condemns homosexuality), Jesus is half Horatio Alger and half Ronald Reagan anyone - in other words, zero parts Jesus' teachings.
 
This dude's sig is worthy of Bill O'Reilly himself. I've heard O'Reilly use the same argument at least once before, and he was made to look like a fool.
 
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